AFAIK Pepsi buys the tunes from Apple for the standard $0.99... so it's Pepsi's problem, not Apples.
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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ryanw
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· Score: 5, Funny
Well, you still have to "open" the bottle to win. Pepsi/Apple is still ahead on this one.
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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NewWaveNet
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Well, you still have to "open" the bottle to win. Pepsi/Apple is still ahead on this one.
They're not ahead because they whole point of this promotion is to get people to sometimes become an expense when they generate revenue for the company in hopes of that customer repeating thier decision in lack of a possible iTunes reward. When people simply abuse the game by only selecting bottles with an iTunes code, the purpose has been defeated. Also, if this were to get large mainstream press, the public will loose the, "hey...maybe I can win," attitude which, once again, defeats the purpose.
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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letdownjournals
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· Score: 5, Insightful
AFAIK Pepsi buys the tunes from Apple for the standard $0.99... so it's Pepsi's problem, not Apples.
I have no idea how the profits break down... But I seriously doubt that Pepsi is paying full price per song.
I also have the feeling the record labels are getting paid all or near their usual fees. So I guess it boils down to who you want to screw over-- Pepsi and Apple by scamming the contest, or the RIAA by going back to Kazaa.
But the real question is, don't most of us have enough music yet? How many times have you listened to 99% of those 20, 40, even 100gb+ songs on your hard drive?
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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DjMd
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· Score: 5, Informative
Dude, thats why you Recycle them...
Sound familar you maybe have read it here.
This way you don't have to use 'suck'y Itunes, and you still get to stick it to the RIAA.
-- DJMD - The fourth man - Planetary
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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lavaface
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· Score: 5, Funny
Let's be realistic. You are not scamming the contest by looking under the cap (without opening the bottle.) I wonder what percentage of bottles made are winners. 1 in 5? Who knows. When you consider that many people don't look at the cap or won't bother to claim (Pepsi expects only 1/3 to make claims) the few who know how to "cheat" will make nary a dent in the outcome.
Pepsi's ad budget is ~$250 million a year.
Also, consider they war with Coca-Cola over "turf" in school districts across the country. Money for nothing for cash-strapped schools.
Also remember we're talking about flavored sugar water. Who's scamming whom?
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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atrader42
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· Score: 5, Funny
"How many times have you listened to 99% of those 20, 40, even 100gb+ songs on your hard drive?"
Well, since that 100 gb song is 71 days long, I don't get too many opportunities to listen to the whole thing. I do, however, enjoy sections of it.
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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Cylix
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Oh I did this with coke contests a long time back.
I sifted through the gas stations 1:6 winners til I bought all my friends a free coke. we were kids and half the fun was just biking to the gas station. As long as you get some minimumwage employee... no one seems to mind.
Then I discovered the real fun in contests. At the time you could call in an 800 number and punch in your numbers to see if you won a real prize. So, I read the rules and nothing said I oculdn't enter as many times as I liked.
At that point I setup all my little memory dial buttons to enter the sequences for entering. I even played around with it and found certain numbers gave a spanish version.
After school I would sit down and enter a few hundred times a day and even my brother got in on the fun. This went on for a month or so.
In the end we only won a game gear... which was quite expensive and only 500 game gears were available nation wide.
Since then I have never seen coke do such a contest or at least allow the kind of entry I was performing.
-- "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
Re:On Apple's behalf...
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andcal
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· Score: 4, Funny
Also remember we're talking about flavored sugar water. Who's scamming whom?
Yeah, but it also contains caffeine, the melange of the real world. No, I am not trying to claim that there is only one source of caffeine in the world. The reason compare it to the Spice of Arrakis is because, like how melange allows the guild pilots of Dune to fold space and travel between the stars, caffeine makes certain, critical work in the real world possible, which would otherwise not be done. Imagine all the code that would have never been written, were it not for caffeine!
The big secret: "tip the bottle and see if you can see 'again' under the cap." Sheer genius.
No, really--this would never have occurred to me.
I mean, really--the tipping of the bottle I could probably get to, but then to look through the clear plastic--inspired, my friend, inspired. And differentiating between 'again' and a random string of numbers? This guy has to be into hardcore pattern recognition. NSA, are you seeing this?
Yeah.
There exist elegant solutions to truly vexing problems that, once discovered, are striking in their simplicity. There also exist people who try to pass off the painfully obvious as an elegant solution to a truly vexing problem.
A free iTunes code to the person who can guess which category this falls into...
Re:Oh, come on!
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Golias
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Then there's the fact that I don't really like Pepsi to begin with. When somebody offers me a Pepsi, I tend to decline in favor of tap water. Therefore the value of 20 oz. of Pepsi to me is $0.00.
A bottle usually costs between $0.99 and $1.49, depending on where you buy it, so even if I'm a "winner" every time, I'm pretty much breaking even compared to just giving iTMS my credit card number and downloading whatever I like.
Hey, Steve... Is this what it has come to? You sell sugar water to children for a living now?
(I keed, I keed!)
--
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
Re:Oh, come on!
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ForestGrump
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· Score: 5, Funny
Yea, yet another reason to get a job working for the school cafetria... so you can sit in the back tipping bottles while getting paid for it.
-grump
-- Is it true that more people vote for the winner of American Idol, than vote for the president?
-Ali G.
Re:Oh, come on!
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John+Harrison
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· Score: 5, Funny
Good thing they don't have Crystal Pepsi anymore or this would be even easier!
As far as the idea of a generator, I hope that Apple was smart enough to use strong crypto in their generator, such that you would have to know the key to come up with a winning entry.
I don't see how subverting this promotion is good for anyone in the long term. Do you want more promotions like this in the future? Do you want the store to last? I guess the temptation of a free 99 cent song is too much for some.
Pepsi and Apple Computer would like to remind you that attempting to circumvent our patented "CapTron" technology is a violation of the DMCA, and will be prosecuted as such.
-- ---
Where's my car, and why are these grass stains on my pants?
Obviously this marketing campaign is not targeted towards you. Believe it or not, not all advertising gimmicks are designed to be desirable by everybody in the whole world. Pepsi and Apple are clearly targeting people who already like Pepsi products and would find a free song a nice prize in addition to their drink of choice.
Anyone who knows anything about iTMS would know that songs are only $.99 and would realize the futility of purchasing a more expensive product just for the less expensive free gift. There's also something to be said for generating hype over a product in general, like we are all doing right this second by reading this post.
So you don't like Pepsi, then don't buy one. If you want songs from iTMS then go directly to the source. Get over yourself.
Re:Oh, come on!
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veg_all
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· Score: 4, Insightful
If only it were sugar water. In actuality, it's high fructose corn syrup water, which is much, much worse.
[Anti ADM / farm-subsidies rant ommited for the sake of staying on topic]
Oh, I can't help myself. They're spending tax dollars to subsidize giant agracorps to grow too much corn that they have to turn into sweetners and corn-fed beef to rot your teeth and give you mad cow disease!
ahem.....
-- grammar-lesson free since 1999. (rescinded - 2005)
And from what I understand, Lisa isn't allowed on the internet either.
-- taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
Re:Oh, come on!
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Zagadka
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· Score: 4, Insightful
You don't get mad cow disease from corn-fed beef. You get it from cow-fed beef. In particular, a cow becomes infected only by ingesting brain or nerve tissue from another infected cow.
The rest of your point is valid, however.
a crack? hmm.
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tedtimmons
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· Score: 5, Insightful
This is a crack? I mean, if you count the cap'n crunch as a crack, sure. But I don't consider tilting a bottle of soda a crack. It seems more like social engineering.
Secret Agent Crack
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qw(name)
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· Score: 5, Funny
As long as the "crack" can be placed in a secret decoder ring I'll be happy.
Re:Secret Agent Crack
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MikeXpop
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· Score: 5, Funny
free iTunes code:
8UYM0R30V4L71N3
(don't mod this offtopic if you don't get the joke. read the code slowly)
-- Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
Re:Secret Agent Crack
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JM+Apocalypse
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· Score: 5, Funny
I don't know why, but I was just at the store and had this incredibly strange urge for some sort of chocolate drink.
--
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Orppf urp mf y.ppcxn. yflcbi otcnnov C am yflcbi yr n.apb Ekrpatv (Dvorak -> Qwerty)
And the winner is...
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Channard
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· Score: 5, Funny
The American Dental Association, for the sudden increase in work coming their way. A Mr Orin Scrivello, D.D.S. will be presented with the award - a special enamel yellow I-Pod - at the next 'Fillings Across America' convention.
And if you think that drinking any cola is only slightly preferable to sucking the sweat from Steve Ballmer's jock strap, then you'be just wasted 21c on sink corrosive.
All I wanted was an iTune
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Funny
...Just one iTune, and Pepsi wouldn't give it to me!
The music's only awful if you make it that way. I've downloaded/bought some decent stuff off iTunes so far. Much better deal than going into some mega-cd store...
That's pretty amusing but did the editors actually read this story before posting it? "Next step: a Pepsi/iTMS winning number generator!" WTF? Stuff that matters indeed.
Of course before I criticize them too much don't think I'm not going to try this the next time I go to the store. I don't drink soda (evil substance) but I can resell it to friends that don't use iTMS for the purchase price and pocket the songs;)
1) Buy evil sugar water that's bad for you with winning code.
2) Resell said sugar water to friends who don't use iTMS.
3) Download songs legally while simultaneously screwing Pepsi and RIAA.
4) ???
5) Profit!
(I'm not trolling for karma. Feel free to mod this funny to avoid giving me any overrated if you disagree).
-- I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man. We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Easier still: "try again" caps have 3 lines of printing, centered. Winning caps have 4 lines and fill pretty much the whole space. You don't even have to make out the words, just avoid the caps with a fair bit of whitespace at the edges.
Re:Priorities
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Funny
No, people who lack the capacity to detect sarcasm ad absurdium is a truly vexing problem. What part of that post made you think the guy was actually singing the praises of an individual he considers an intellectual giant?
KeyGen Released!!
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pantycrickets
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· Score: 5, Funny
ORiON PROUDLY PRESENTS iTunes Sweepstakes (c) Apple SUPPLIER...: Team ORiON CRACKER....: Team ORiON PACKAGER...: Team ORiON RELEASED...: 02.18.04 TYPE.......: Keygen DISKS......: XX/01 /sarcasm
A bit of info
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read-only
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· Score: 5, Informative
The server linked to was slashdotted, so I found this via Google. Not all that impressive...
No, I don't have algorithm to generate winning numbers. (I would have to assume that they are randomly generated anyways) But, after my 5th winning pepsi top in a row, I'm pretty confident in my ability to pick a winner by examining the bottle. Assuming that the intial bottles really are only 1 in 3 winners and are evenly distributed (which isn't a given) then 5 in a row is good, but not conclusive.
Anyways, on the bottles I've seen, you can actually see under the cap you down the kneck of the bottle. If the lighting is sufficient, you'll be able to make out at least a couple of letters. If you see a number then you have a winner. You'll look like a fool staring down bottles to find a surefire winner, but being a cheapskate isn't glamorous work.
I don't know any method to win with the 7-11 Big Gulp cups where the code is on the rim of the winning cup. I've gotten 2 of 3 winners using my patented "pick the first cup" algorithm. The only strategy I've heard of to increase your odds is the "double cup". Some people claim that the stores don't mind if you do it, but to me it's crossing over from legitimate "selection optimization" to "theft".
Re:Oh come on! The WHOLE pop machine?
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netringer
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· Score: 5, Funny
Oowwwww!! I have such a pain!
I tired this in our break room but I had to tip the entire Pepsi machine over to see which bottle I should buy! I hope the boss didn't see me.
Is that why they have that picture of the guy being crushed by the pop machine? Is it to keep you from checking for iTunes winner bottles?
-- Ever dream you could fly? Get up from the Flight Sim. I Fly
Re:And Apple just got back in the black
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daviddennis
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Most likely, no.
The majority of Pepsi drinkers probably don't care about the promotion.
Those who do will win. Those who don't care won't win and won't care that they didn't win.
The tunes go to the people who want them, and more or less everyone is happy.
I'd say this would hold true if anywhere under 10% of Pepsi drinkers wanted the iTunes songs. Once you get past that, you wind up having massive inventories of losing bottles nobody wants and things turn ugly fast.
But if that's the case, it's Pepsi that loses, not Apple. Apple has no liability for Pepsi's inventory problems or lack of same.
D
Re:Wow, mods are retarded.
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FooGoo
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Eventually...yes...but maybe not before the contest ends.
-- People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them
I've come up with the perfect iTunes DRM crack
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elflet
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· Score: 5, Funny
...but unfortunately this bottle cap is too small to hold it.
- Fermat
This is just a port...
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boinger
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· Score: 4, Funny
...of the same crack that me and me l337 hacker bros worked out back in the BBS days to crack a very similar Mountain Dew promotion.
Good thing we released it GPL. Now those Apache commies can't use it, either!
Free Tibet!
-- Send your friends messages of love at fuck-you.org
Re:This is just a port...
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gwernol
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· Score: 4, Funny
Free Tibet!
Free Tibet? Now that's a competition! None of this buy crappy Pepsi, win crappy Britney tune. Apparently this dude is giving away whole countries.
Where do I enter?
-- Sailing over the event horizon
Check around
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andyring
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· Score: 4, Interesting
I was working cleanup at a stadium over the weekend, as part of a church fundraiser (I'm an adult advisor for the youth group). Just by picking up empty bottles, I snagged 19 winning caps.
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-- One man's -1 Flamebait is another man's +5 Funny.
Re:Before Long
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happyfrogcow
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· Score: 4, Funny
But then ebay will yank the auctions, because the numbers do not belong to you, they belong to Pepsi.
hear that, all your numbers are belong to Pepsi. don't try any funny stuff, like making up your own numbers, or "adding" or "dividing". They'll get you... get you, I say!
Coke has better implementation?
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fembots
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· Score: 5, Interesting
I am not sure if this only happens to Coke. Anyway, in one of a similar promotion (i.e. you win something if the cap says "Winner", otherwise "Again"), the message is in some sort of semi-transparent rubbery sheet, which is pushed into the cap, reversed.
So normally you cannot see anything thru this rubbery sheet, and the message is on the other side (i.e. facing the cap).
Re:itunes under wine?
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Funny
No, it's too hard to print the entire winning number on the bottom of a cork.
It's NOT a crack...you still have to buy it!
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Ron+Bennett
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· Score: 4, Insightful
It's not truly a crack in my view, since one still has to buy the bottle to obtain the complete, usable code; I bet Pepsi really doesn't care since they're still moving product.
Ron
The Random Odds
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MBraynard
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Pepsi is giving away 100 million songs, so I was thinking that there was a good possibility of people trying to hack it by guessing the codes to get the free song.
I got a winning cap and did some math. Unless the codes are not random, this isn't going to happen.
There are 8 digits in the code, and they appear to use alphas and digits. Presuming they aren't using zero so it's not confused with the letter "O," this means there are 1.0E+35 possibilities. With 100 million winners, that means one in every 1.0E+27 is a winner. Spelt out, that is 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
However, given that it is not random, I guess the odds are much better.
At last we can finally put to rest the national stereotype of the Germans as humourless.
Re:Already over the 200 limit.
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prockcore
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· Score: 5, Funny
I drink Pepsi like water, and friends give me their caps at school, so I'm already over the 200 cap limit. Really.
Maybe Pepsi should be giving away a free diabetes exam instead.
Not a crack. It is a cheat.
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John+Harrison
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· Score: 4, Interesting
This doesn't even qualify as social engineering. Social engineering would involve asking someone for their winning bottle cap. Here is my crack:
Stand outside 7-Eleven and ask people for their bottle caps.
For example, I was in Brazil in 1994 and Coke ran a promo for the World Cup. Each bottle cap had three teams on it in order. If you ended up with the top three teams in the correct order you won a bunch of money. Bartenders became very adept at cracking open your bottle open and pocketing the cap.
Anyhow, this is certainly a simple cheat rather than a clever hack.
Exciting times we live in...
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general_re
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· Score: 5, Funny
I mean, really--the tipping of the bottle I could probably get to, but then to look through the clear plastic--inspired, my friend, inspired.
The Four-Color Map theorem.
Kepler's Sphere-Packing problem.
Fermat's Last Theorem.
And now this.
Brilliant.
-- ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
Six Ticks on the Cap = Winner!
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Cordath
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· Score: 4, Funny
I remember a long time ago, when I was in junior high, Coca-Cola had an under-the-cap contest going. The twist was that every bottle had tick-code on the cap. If there were 6 vertical lines, you were guaranteed to at least win a free soda. Needless to say, the employees at the gas-station down the road from my school (right in front of the bus stop) got very sick of junior-high kids going through every last bottle in the cooler looking for a six-tick bottle that had been miraculously missed by the 200 other kids that had already been through the place.
thank you captain obvious
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happyslinky
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· Score: 4, Funny
for the next front page writeup at slashdot we have: "WATER H4X0R3D... found to be wet" and "GRASS P0WN3D.. GREEN ENSUES"
I took the Pepsi bottle cap, inserted it into my PC CD drive, and could read nothing.
But I forgot to hold down Shift - that may be why.
I just wish people would document these hacks properly before publishing them. I'm pretty computer-savvy, so I don't think it was a mistake on my part.
Famous Steve Jobs quote to Pepsi guy
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bonch
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· Score: 5, Funny
"Would you rather sell sugar water to kids for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?"
Steve Jobs to that guy from Pepsi. It's on folklore.org somewhere. The Bouncing Pepsis story, I believe.
Re:Famous Steve Jobs quote to Pepsi guy
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l3prador
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· Score: 5, Informative
that guy from Pepsi.
John Sculley, who subsequently joined Apple, kicked out Steve Jobs and let Bill Gates use Mac features in Windows 1.0.
Change the world, he did.:(
Re:Famous Steve Jobs quote to Pepsi guy
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rixstep
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· Score: 5, Informative
Famous Steve Jobs quote on Pepsi guy:
John Sculley ruined Apple, and he ruined it by bringing a set of values to the top of Apple which were corrupt and corrupted some of the top people who were there, drove out some of the ones who were not corruptible, and brought in more corrupt ones and paid themselves collectively tens of millions of dollars and cared more about their own glory and wealth than they did about what built Apple in the first place - which was making great computers for people to use.
Re:Famous Steve Jobs quote to Pepsi guy
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Sculley is the only CEO in Apple history who both managed to both keep Apple profitable and increase Mac sales year-to-year every year. None of the other three Mac-era CEOs -- Jobs, Spindler, or Amelio -- managed the trick.
So, yeah, Sculley ruined Apple: he made it profitable and expanded the Mac user base. Such horrible crimes. Real Apple fans know the goal is to become an ever-shrinking demographic until the Mac is sitting on the same shelf as the Amiga, clung to in irrelevancy by rabid fans.
Re:Famous Steve Jobs quote to Pepsi guy
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rixstep
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Jobs didn't say profits. He said making good products. Sculley didn't do squat, and that was Jobs's objection: from 1984 until jobs's return, Apple had one product, from all the way back in 1984: the Macintosh.
Jonathan Ive was more or less put on ice until Jobs discovered him working there. Jobs has otherwise done quite a job himself in turning the company around.
Besides - and this is the clincher - what if Sculley had been good for Apple? Just think how much better he would have been if he and his cohorts hadn't pocketed all that money Jobs speaks of? Just think how much better off Apple would have been!
Re:Famous Steve Jobs quote to Pepsi guy
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 4, Informative
And exactly how many Macs did they sell in Sculley's last year at Apple? You didn't list the figure...
For reference, Sculley's last year at Apple was 1994. After that, Mike Markkula took over. In 1995, Gil Amelio took over. Then The Holy And Praised Return Of The Steve occurred in 1997. Sculley pushed one and only one good product... the Newton. Unfortunately, he didn't last long enough to push it to the unassailable top of the heap.
Then Markkula pushed the Performa, killed Newton for all practical intents and purposes, and diversified the product line into about 35 different models.
Amelio is generally an underrated Apple exec. He killed most of those product lines (which were milking Apple dry), tried to revive the Newton, despite Palm's arrival on the scene, and discovered Jonathan Ive and promptly set him on the task of making the iMac. Amelio made two mistakes: clones (which kept the milking going even after the product line was trimmed) and buying NeXT and bringing Steve Jobs on board.
Steve Jobs threw Amelio off the roof, stole his praise, and fortunately, kept up the good moves Amelio had started. Note that after Amelio's projects were finished, Steve's first pet project bombed. The G4 cube was a market failure.
Lately, they've been focusing less on cool new computer features and focusing more on cool new software (iApps, MacOS X, etc.) and cool new peripherals to help the computer get things done (iPod, iSight, etc.). That might account for the drop in sales. The economy's current shitter-dwelling state also might have something to do with that.
So, a short review: Sculley was not pushing the Mac like he should've been, but he wasn't killing the company like Markkula did. Amelio actually was turning Apple around until Jobs fucked him in the ass and took all the credit. Jobs isn't as wonderful as some people would have you believe, but he is doing the best he can in the current market environment.
Oh, and you need to learn a little Apple history. Consider this your first lesson.
Re:Famous Steve Jobs quote to Pepsi guy
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Blic
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· Score: 4, Insightful
I think Amelio will always have a bad rap, but he performed the essential role he was hired for - hatchet man.
See, you hire someone, have them cut lots of fat out of the company, fire lots of folks, and consequently everyone hates them. Then you get rid of them and in swoops the savior to take control of a leaner, restructured company without any of the ill will because you just fired everyone's friends.
The best part of the article
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emkman
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· Score: 4, Funny
The best part of this amusing if lame article, is without a doubt the Mountain Dew eBay link.
This promotion is probably the best I've seen in a while. Three benefits: 1. To Pepsi - increased sales 2. To Apple - more people use and know about iTunes 3. To RIAA - people consider free music downloads a prize rather than taken for granted Also, because it is so unique it recieves much more publicity than other promotions (such as this article).
I got hooked on Dew back in 99 or so when you could win a free pop (soda) in the cap. I worked in a gas station and had nothing to do but go through the stock room and tilt the bottles to look under the cap and see WINNER. Then I would just open the bottle, drink and turn in the cap when I was done. I had like 5 cases that were exclusivly winners that never made it on to the regular sales floor.
Actually, it's 10 digits
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Otto
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· Score: 4, Informative
Actually, it's 10 digits, not 8. And yes, they use both zero (0) and the letter O. The zero's are more elongated vertically, and the O's are actually slightly elongated horizontally. Therefore there's about 10^36 possible codes.
Winning caps look like this (fake number, obviously):
12345 ABCDE
ONE FREE SONG
Centered. The blank line is actually about half a line.
Losers look like this:
PLAY
AGAIN
Simple enough. If you hold it up so that the yellow cap is facing the light, yes, you can peer down the side and make out enough to tell which is which, especially on the Sierra Mist bottles. The Pepsi bottles are harder, but since that foul stuff is undrinkable anyway, stick to the clear drinks.
Note, I have not tried this in a store. I have, however, won a few songs on Sierra Mist bottles.
-- - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Randomness not cheap!
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phliar
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· Score: 4, Insightful
Why should it be a joke? Sometimes you really want random numbers, not some PRNG. If you can't afford to (or don't wnat to) buy a hardware-based random number generator this is a good second-best. A couple of decades ago you bought books of random numbers, now you get a CD.
...that this hard-hitting piece of "journalism" made Slashdot's *front page*. I mean, I understand -- slow news day and all, and, well, Slashdot's front page was never a real "exclusive club" in the first place.... "Try to read the cap and see if you've won before you buy the Pepsi." That's it. THAT made the front page. He even put pictures for the, shall we say, "less intellectually fortunate" among the Mac faithful. What's next, "shake your Christmas present and maybe you can tell what's inside?" How about "Check your fruit for bruises BEFORE you buy it to avoid getting bruised fruit!"? GENIUS, I tell you, SHEER GENIUS. Yes, Bobby, "Genius" as in "Genius Bar". I bet Apple's already looking for this Einstein's number as we speak. But they'll have to beat NASA to him! He's like the guy off Phenomenon, I wonder if he can learn Spanish in a half hour. Frickin' Brilliant. I hope he uses his powers for Good, not Evil. Hey, I'm not kidding. He managed to make Slashdot's FRONT PAGE. The FreeBSD guys could cure cancer with their ass and they wouldn't make the front page.
Why do the Editors even *bother* with apple.slashdot.org when something this fundamentally NON-earth-shakingly important (ie remember that credo "Stuff that Matters"?) makes the front page? SLASHDOT is now apple.slashdot.org. Get it? Slashdot = Apple. Everything NON-Apple seems secondary. Linux stories are tolerated. Books are ignored. YRO is buried. Games are irrelevant.
You know, I used to think the guys who say "the Slashdot Editors are on Apple's payroll" and that "Apple is astroturfing here" were crazy. Now, I'm starting to believe it. Or has the definition of "stuff that matters" changed fundamentally since Apple is involved?
Either the editors are slipping or they have an agenda. Take your pick. I like cheating as much as the next guy, but this doesn't deserve front page coverage. I guess that's why I'm not an editor. I'd be fair, I speak in full sentences, and my spelling is adequate. Hell, right there my chances are shot.
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I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
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There are 10 alphanumeric characters in these codes, so around 36^10 different possible codes. If there are 100 million winning numbers, then about 1 in 30 million of them is going to be a winner. I would say that it would take quite a long time to brute force a 1 in 30 million code, considering that you have to wait for the website to respond to each request. Its fair to say that the contest would be over by the time you succeeded, and the time and bandwidth you wasted would be worth more than the 99 cents worth of free music (which you could just as easily download for free).
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You might want to look at this another way: They may not mind the cheating at all.
What they want to do is convert Coca-Cola addicts (like me) to Pepsi addicts. This is a back-handed bribe for me to switch from Coke to Pepsi for a month. The economics actually aren't bad, since as well as shifting my brand, they want me to buy more expensive single bottles at over $1 each, as opposed to my usual 6 and 12 packs at under $ 0.50 each.
The actual sugar water component of a soda costs around $ 0.10. The wholesale value of a song on iTunes is probably around $ 0.50. If they have about a 100% markup at retail, the $1.20 pepsi bottle is giving them $0.60, so they are roughly breaking even on my sodas which are a guaranteed win.
What they're counting on, of course, is that I switch to Pepsi and continue drinking it after the promotion. This is surely not impossible, as long as I decide I like the taste better. If they wind up doing that, they may not care that I'm only picking winning bottles, and they might have even made it deliberately trivial to cheat. They won't tell us that; it ruins the fun. But they may well have done it. Of course that's also why there's a 200 song limit for each email address. They'll let me have $100 wholesale, no matter how I get it.
Interesting, no?
D
Sculley: FEH.
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Just out of high school, I worked for apple as a phone jockey/dope in the thick of the Sculley era. Every single day my job consisted of taking desperate (to the point of suicidal) calls from these poor, pathetic bureaucrats in the purchasing departments at school districts who had sent their entire computer hardware budget to Apple some six, eight, 12, 18 months ago, and they had still not received their orders.
We were told explicitly and with great threat that we were never to reveal this to the customer, and were in fact to continue to feed them the "Real Soon Now" line of bullshit ("Next week, I promise... It's shipping tomorrow... It already shipped..."), when the blunt reality was that they would not be receiving their orders the next week, month, four months, six months, EVER - eventual refunds were assumed, amounting to a zero-interest loan from the school districts to Apple - because Apple had in fact shipped every one of their orders overseas, to be sold at a higher markup in foreign retail. They had sold their standing inventory at least twice, and probably several times more, and only actually delivered it to the highest bidder. It was pathetic.
Mind you, "profitability" of Apple aside, this was the height of the "MacInTrash" era, when every government department in the United States, outside of the toniest school districts, was replacing their entire IT infrastructure of Apples with cheap first-generation beige boxes running some godawful proof-of-concept "Windows." I vividly recall watching newscasts showing dumpsters overflowing with discarded Apple machines and thinking to myself, "this company is fucked."
Sculley made Apple "profitable" for the X many months it took him to ruin its reputation and forever doom it to the statistically irrelevant fringe market.
Oops, there went that debt free memo! ;)
No, really--this would never have occurred to me.
I mean, really--the tipping of the bottle I could probably get to, but then to look through the clear plastic--inspired, my friend, inspired. And differentiating between 'again' and a random string of numbers? This guy has to be into hardcore pattern recognition. NSA, are you seeing this?
Yeah.
There exist elegant solutions to truly vexing problems that, once discovered, are striking in their simplicity. There also exist people who try to pass off the painfully obvious as an elegant solution to a truly vexing problem.
A free iTunes code to the person who can guess which category this falls into...
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
This is a crack? I mean, if you count the cap'n crunch as a crack, sure. But I don't consider tilting a bottle of soda a crack. It seems more like social engineering.
Darn!
Now I'll have to play fairly and by the rules!
That just ain't fair!
Watch the Teaser Trailer for "The Lightning Thief" Her
As long as the "crack" can be placed in a secret decoder ring I'll be happy.
The American Dental Association, for the sudden increase in work coming their way. A Mr Orin Scrivello, D.D.S. will be presented with the award - a special enamel yellow I-Pod - at the next 'Fillings Across America' convention.
Cool - a guaranteed way to pick a winner!
Now i'm off to buy many $1.20 bottles of sugar water so I get get a free $0.99 song!!!! I can't lose!
oh wait............
Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers.
...Just one iTune, and Pepsi wouldn't give it to me!
The music's only awful if you make it that way. I've downloaded/bought some decent stuff off iTunes so far. Much better deal than going into some mega-cd store...
That's pretty amusing but did the editors actually read this story before posting it? "Next step: a Pepsi/iTMS winning number generator!" WTF? Stuff that matters indeed.
Of course before I criticize them too much don't think I'm not going to try this the next time I go to the store. I don't drink soda (evil substance) but I can resell it to friends that don't use iTMS for the purchase price and pocket the songs ;)
1) Buy evil sugar water that's bad for you with winning code.
2) Resell said sugar water to friends who don't use iTMS.
3) Download songs legally while simultaneously screwing Pepsi and RIAA.
4) ???
5) Profit!
(I'm not trolling for karma. Feel free to mod this funny to avoid giving me any overrated if you disagree).
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Hey guys, someone submitted when we were already at the top of our load. So while the host works things out, here are the images used in the story.
I suspect not, but I'm sure it could produce music of the same quality as most of the stuff produced today.
Since it's already slashdotted i'll paraphrase.
Tip the damn bottle.
If it constains the word "song" you won.
Buy that bottle.
The end.
No, people who lack the capacity to detect sarcasm ad absurdium is a truly vexing problem. What part of that post made you think the guy was actually singing the praises of an individual he considers an intellectual giant?
ORiON PROUDLY PRESENTS ...: Team ORiON ....: Team ORiON ...: Team ORiON ...: 02.18.04 .......: Keygen ......: XX/01
/sarcasm
iTunes Sweepstakes (c) Apple
SUPPLIER
CRACKER
PACKAGER
RELEASED
TYPE
DISKS
No, I don't have algorithm to generate winning numbers. (I would have to assume that they are randomly generated anyways) But, after my 5th winning pepsi top in a row, I'm pretty confident in my ability to pick a winner by examining the bottle. Assuming that the intial bottles really are only 1 in 3 winners and are evenly distributed (which isn't a given) then 5 in a row is good, but not conclusive.
Anyways, on the bottles I've seen, you can actually see under the cap you down the kneck of the bottle. If the lighting is sufficient, you'll be able to make out at least a couple of letters. If you see a number then you have a winner. You'll look like a fool staring down bottles to find a surefire winner, but being a cheapskate isn't glamorous work.
I don't know any method to win with the 7-11 Big Gulp cups where the code is on the rim of the winning cup. I've gotten 2 of 3 winners using my patented "pick the first cup" algorithm. The only strategy I've heard of to increase your odds is the "double cup". Some people claim that the stores don't mind if you do it, but to me it's crossing over from legitimate "selection optimization" to "theft".
I tired this in our break room but I had to tip the entire Pepsi machine over to see which bottle I should buy! I hope the boss didn't see me.
Is that why they have that picture of the guy being crushed by the pop machine?
Is it to keep you from checking for iTunes winner bottles?
Ever dream you could fly? Get up from the Flight Sim. I Fly
Most likely, no.
The majority of Pepsi drinkers probably don't care about the promotion.
Those who do will win. Those who don't care won't win and won't care that they didn't win.
The tunes go to the people who want them, and more or less everyone is happy.
I'd say this would hold true if anywhere under 10% of Pepsi drinkers wanted the iTunes songs. Once you get past that, you wind up having massive inventories of losing bottles nobody wants and things turn ugly fast.
But if that's the case, it's Pepsi that loses, not Apple. Apple has no liability for Pepsi's inventory problems or lack of same.
D
Eventually...yes...but maybe not before the contest ends.
People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them
...but unfortunately this bottle cap is too small to hold it. - Fermat
Good thing we released it GPL. Now those Apache commies can't use it, either!
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I was working cleanup at a stadium over the weekend, as part of a church fundraiser (I'm an adult advisor for the youth group). Just by picking up empty bottles, I snagged 19 winning caps.
Here is a mirror of the relevant content.
http://www.str8dog.com/macmerc/
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One man's -1 Flamebait is another man's +5 Funny.
But then ebay will yank the auctions, because the numbers do not belong to you, they belong to Pepsi.
hear that, all your numbers are belong to Pepsi. don't try any funny stuff, like making up your own numbers, or "adding" or "dividing". They'll get you... get you, I say!
I am not sure if this only happens to Coke. Anyway, in one of a similar promotion (i.e. you win something if the cap says "Winner", otherwise "Again"), the message is in some sort of semi-transparent rubbery sheet, which is pushed into the cap, reversed.
So normally you cannot see anything thru this rubbery sheet, and the message is on the other side (i.e. facing the cap).
I wonder why Pepsi didn't use a better solution.
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
No, it's too hard to print the entire winning number on the bottom of a cork.
It's not truly a crack in my view, since one still has to buy the bottle to obtain the complete, usable code; I bet Pepsi really doesn't care since they're still moving product.
Ron
I got a winning cap and did some math. Unless the codes are not random, this isn't going to happen.
There are 8 digits in the code, and they appear to use alphas and digits. Presuming they aren't using zero so it's not confused with the letter "O," this means there are 1.0E+35 possibilities. With 100 million winners, that means one in every 1.0E+27 is a winner. Spelt out, that is 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
However, given that it is not random, I guess the odds are much better.
I think someone should start a business selling CDs full of random numbers.
I drink Pepsi like water, and friends give me their caps at school, so I'm already over the 200 cap limit. Really.
Maybe Pepsi should be giving away a free diabetes exam instead.
Stand outside 7-Eleven and ask people for their bottle caps.
For example, I was in Brazil in 1994 and Coke ran a promo for the World Cup. Each bottle cap had three teams on it in order. If you ended up with the top three teams in the correct order you won a bunch of money. Bartenders became very adept at cracking open your bottle open and pocketing the cap.
Anyhow, this is certainly a simple cheat rather than a clever hack.
Lasers Controlled Games!
The Four-Color Map theorem.
Kepler's Sphere-Packing problem.
Fermat's Last Theorem.
And now this.
Brilliant.
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
I remember a long time ago, when I was in junior high, Coca-Cola had an under-the-cap contest going. The twist was that every bottle had tick-code on the cap. If there were 6 vertical lines, you were guaranteed to at least win a free soda. Needless to say, the employees at the gas-station down the road from my school (right in front of the bus stop) got very sick of junior-high kids going through every last bottle in the cooler looking for a six-tick bottle that had been miraculously missed by the 200 other kids that had already been through the place.
for the next front page writeup at slashdot we have:
"WATER H4X0R3D... found to be wet" and
"GRASS P0WN3D.. GREEN ENSUES"
This didn't work for me.
I took the Pepsi bottle cap, inserted it into my PC CD drive, and could read nothing.
But I forgot to hold down Shift - that may be why.
I just wish people would document these hacks properly before publishing them. I'm pretty computer-savvy, so I don't think it was a mistake on my part.
"Would you rather sell sugar water to kids for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?"
Steve Jobs to that guy from Pepsi. It's on folklore.org somewhere. The Bouncing Pepsis story, I believe.
The best part of this amusing if lame article, is without a doubt the Mountain Dew eBay link.
Moderation Totals: Flamebait=2, Troll=1, Redundant=1, Insightful=6, Overrated=1, Underrated=1, Total=12. (not mine)
You actually have to buy the pepsi! It costs $1.09-$1.29. Even worse if you accidentally drink the pepsi!
This promotion is probably the best I've seen in a while. Three benefits:
1. To Pepsi - increased sales
2. To Apple - more people use and know about iTunes
3. To RIAA - people consider free music downloads a prize rather than taken for granted
Also, because it is so unique it recieves much more publicity than other promotions (such as this article).
I got hooked on Dew back in 99 or so when you could win a free pop (soda) in the cap. I worked in a gas station and had nothing to do but go through the stock room and tilt the bottles to look under the cap and see WINNER. Then I would just open the bottle, drink and turn in the cap when I was done. I had like 5 cases that were exclusivly winners that never made it on to the regular sales floor.
Actually, it's 10 digits, not 8. And yes, they use both zero (0) and the letter O. The zero's are more elongated vertically, and the O's are actually slightly elongated horizontally. Therefore there's about 10^36 possible codes.
Winning caps look like this (fake number, obviously):
12345
ABCDE
ONE FREE
SONG
Centered. The blank line is actually about half a line.
Losers look like this:
PLAY
AGAIN
Simple enough. If you hold it up so that the yellow cap is facing the light, yes, you can peer down the side and make out enough to tell which is which, especially on the Sierra Mist bottles. The Pepsi bottles are harder, but since that foul stuff is undrinkable anyway, stick to the clear drinks.
Note, I have not tried this in a store. I have, however, won a few songs on Sierra Mist bottles.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Why should it be a joke? Sometimes you really want random numbers, not some PRNG. If you can't afford to (or don't wnat to) buy a hardware-based random number generator this is a good second-best. A couple of decades ago you bought books of random numbers, now you get a CD.
Unlimited growth == Cancer.
...that this hard-hitting piece of "journalism" made Slashdot's *front page*. I mean, I understand -- slow news day and all, and, well, Slashdot's front page was never a real "exclusive club" in the first place.... "Try to read the cap and see if you've won before you buy the Pepsi." That's it. THAT made the front page. He even put pictures for the, shall we say, "less intellectually fortunate" among the Mac faithful. What's next, "shake your Christmas present and maybe you can tell what's inside?" How about "Check your fruit for bruises BEFORE you buy it to avoid getting bruised fruit!"? GENIUS, I tell you, SHEER GENIUS. Yes, Bobby, "Genius" as in "Genius Bar". I bet Apple's already looking for this Einstein's number as we speak. But they'll have to beat NASA to him! He's like the guy off Phenomenon, I wonder if he can learn Spanish in a half hour. Frickin' Brilliant. I hope he uses his powers for Good, not Evil. Hey, I'm not kidding. He managed to make Slashdot's FRONT PAGE. The FreeBSD guys could cure cancer with their ass and they wouldn't make the front page.
Why do the Editors even *bother* with apple.slashdot.org when something this fundamentally NON-earth-shakingly important (ie remember that credo "Stuff that Matters"?) makes the front page? SLASHDOT is now apple.slashdot.org. Get it? Slashdot = Apple. Everything NON-Apple seems secondary. Linux stories are tolerated. Books are ignored. YRO is buried. Games are irrelevant.
You know, I used to think the guys who say "the Slashdot Editors are on Apple's payroll" and that "Apple is astroturfing here" were crazy. Now, I'm starting to believe it. Or has the definition of "stuff that matters" changed fundamentally since Apple is involved?
Either the editors are slipping or they have an agenda. Take your pick. I like cheating as much as the next guy, but this doesn't deserve front page coverage. I guess that's why I'm not an editor. I'd be fair, I speak in full sentences, and my spelling is adequate. Hell, right there my chances are shot.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
There are 10 alphanumeric characters in these codes, so around 36^10 different possible codes. If there are 100 million winning numbers, then about 1 in 30 million of them is going to be a winner. I would say that it would take quite a long time to brute force a 1 in 30 million code, considering that you have to wait for the website to respond to each request. Its fair to say that the contest would be over by the time you succeeded, and the time and bandwidth you wasted would be worth more than the 99 cents worth of free music (which you could just as easily download for free).
You might want to look at this another way: They may not mind the cheating at all.
What they want to do is convert Coca-Cola addicts (like me) to Pepsi addicts. This is a back-handed bribe for me to switch from Coke to Pepsi for a month. The economics actually aren't bad, since as well as shifting my brand, they want me to buy more expensive single bottles at over $1 each, as opposed to my usual 6 and 12 packs at under $ 0.50 each.
The actual sugar water component of a soda costs around $ 0.10. The wholesale value of a song on iTunes is probably around $ 0.50. If they have about a 100% markup at retail, the $1.20 pepsi bottle is giving them $0.60, so they are roughly breaking even on my sodas which are a guaranteed win.
What they're counting on, of course, is that I switch to Pepsi and continue drinking it after the promotion. This is surely not impossible, as long as I decide I like the taste better. If they wind up doing that, they may not care that I'm only picking winning bottles, and they might have even made it deliberately trivial to cheat. They won't tell us that; it ruins the fun. But they may well have done it. Of course that's also why there's a 200 song limit for each email address. They'll let me have $100 wholesale, no matter how I get it.
Interesting, no?
D
Just out of high school, I worked for apple as a phone jockey/dope in the thick of the Sculley era. Every single day my job consisted of taking desperate (to the point of suicidal) calls from these poor, pathetic bureaucrats in the purchasing departments at school districts who had sent their entire computer hardware budget to Apple some six, eight, 12, 18 months ago, and they had still not received their orders.
We were told explicitly and with great threat that we were never to reveal this to the customer, and were in fact to continue to feed them the "Real Soon Now" line of bullshit ("Next week, I promise... It's shipping tomorrow... It already shipped..."), when the blunt reality was that they would not be receiving their orders the next week, month, four months, six months, EVER - eventual refunds were assumed, amounting to a zero-interest loan from the school districts to Apple - because Apple had in fact shipped every one of their orders overseas, to be sold at a higher markup in foreign retail. They had sold their standing inventory at least twice, and probably several times more, and only actually delivered it to the highest bidder. It was pathetic.
Mind you, "profitability" of Apple aside, this was the height of the "MacInTrash" era, when every government department in the United States, outside of the toniest school districts, was replacing their entire IT infrastructure of Apples with cheap first-generation beige boxes running some godawful proof-of-concept "Windows." I vividly recall watching newscasts showing dumpsters overflowing with discarded Apple machines and thinking to myself, "this company is fucked."
Sculley made Apple "profitable" for the X many months it took him to ruin its reputation and forever doom it to the statistically irrelevant fringe market.