"Incredible GPU" (I'll just leave for a moment this is a chip just to be maybe 'unveiled', while the the latest iOS chip which you can buy for 6 months is already way ahead as usual...)
Unless they've fired their entire OpenGL/Vulkan driver engineering department and started over, I can't get excited. It'll just be *another* big bag of pain and busted features.
As God as my witness, I wish somebody would make the investment to give Qualcomm some actual competition, cause they are a nightmare.
>>Guys like you should be dressed in a pair of speedos and forced to parade for an hour in a gay bar. >>Then we'd hear no more nonsense about "political correctness".
FUck off. What makes you think us gays want to be punished with that asshole too?
>>You understand that you as a developer can just pick one to use and not worry about the others, don't you? More is better.
Yeah. I also understand pragmatism.
I also understand that most things in the world are finite. Especially development resources.
Worring about 4 different ways 3rd parties can get code on the platform is a nightmare for RIM. Thats a huge amount of wasted focus, effort, and resources.
And as an outside developer, I *know* it's untenable. Something will have to get cut loose at some point. And the question is, do I feel confident enough on the gamble that the API I pick isn't the one that gets the shaft?
You may not agree with it, but I guarantee thats the calculus a lot of folks are doing.
So to recap, they want you do to app development with :
-Adobe Air. -Oh yeah, or BB java apps. -And have a runtime for some Android stuff at some unspecified point in the future (and if you didn't bother reading, apps have to be repackaged for BB). -Also have the "WebWorks SDK for Tablet OS". -Oh yeah, and they're bringing out a native C/C++ API.
The phrase"'rudderless ship" comes to mind. 4 completely different API's to get on the thing.
Clusterfuck. No third party is going to take them seriously until they can get their story straight... and the thing hasn't even shipped yet.
No wonder their shares fell 10% today. If i owned any I'd be looking for the exits.
>>but I'm still fucking FAT. Don't sit there on your fat ass and tell me >>that there's no epidemic. I still wear a size 46 pants.
Then i call bullshit.
Lets start: taking a guess of your age at 35, your basal metabolic rate (you know, the MINIMUM amount of calories your body would burn if you didn't even move) is 2513.
You're that active, you eat less than *1000* calories a day (double bullshit), and you can't lose weight?
That makes perfect sense. You MUST be breaking both the laws of conservation of energy, and the laws of thermodynamics.
Using your weight, and running a 12 minute mile (that ain't quick), you'd burn 385 calories right there. That leaves 615 calories for you to stay alive for 24 hours (not counting all the other exercise you claim to be doing).
-Immersion owns some broad patents around rumble -Immersion sued Microsoft + Sony -****MICROSOFT SETTLED WITH IMMERSION, AND BOUGHT AN INTEREST IN THE COMPANY -Sony won't settle over the PS2 (still before the courts), and pulled it from the PS3
This isn't news - it's propaganda from Immersion/MS to try to make Sony look bad. Even if Sony wanted to use it, Immersion/MS would probably make it prohibitively expensive. Sony can't win here, and MS is playing the press game perfectly. Zonk eats it up every time.
Dude. You should really not talk about things you know nothing about.
Brain damage? That may be a bit extreme, but the sony tools suck. Period. If you think they don't, please give concrete examples, contrasing them with what else is available.
Right now what do you use to develop on the PS2? You either use Metroworks Codewarrior, or the product by SN Systems (I use the former).
Notice --- neither of those are produced by sony.
No big deal you say? So what happens when you find a bug? You get to report it, and then Metroworks and Sony play the blame game for a while until somebody takes ownership of it and maybe eventually gives you a fix.... maybe not. Things are even worse on the PSP.... Sony has 'locked down' certain things you could do on the PS2 for 'security reasons'. And since the tool vendors (compilers, etc) are outside Sony, they don't get access either. End result --- things like our library's interrupt driven real-time profiler can't be run on the PSP. Just stupid stupid stupid.
I have to debug in Codewarrior all day and I would agree that it's causing some sort of damage to my brain. Try waiting for 5-10 seconds for it to step over a line of code in the debugger. Totally random. Yeah, it's been like this for years. Not to mention the continual crashes. Oh yeah, and the random crashes occasionally trash your compile state so you have to do a full rebuild (on my current game, that takes 25 minutes). CW *is* good for two things: 1) it's good for being able to find you the definition of something (define, class, method, macro, whatever. VS still has problems and sometimes can't tell you and you have to search for it yourself). 2) it enforces coffee/cigarette breaks because of it falling over and pooping it's pants regularly.
MSDEV just works and the debugger is probably the best out there (want to try to intelligently debug threads on the PS2? Oh sorry - YOU CAN'T). Hit a break point on your XBOX and want to see whats in the render target or how your texture stages are populated? Click click you can see it in the UI. I won't even go into the XBOX having a unified memory system instead of the VRAM ridiculousness you have to fuck around with on a PS2. Having to manage VRAM DMA uploads to stage your rendering? In 2005? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
You don't get this from MSFT. You report a bug. MSFT, XBOX and Visual Studio are the same entity. Problems get fixed. And lets admit it - Visual Studio is the best all round development tool there is out there. If you can't agree to that, well.... then I can't argue with somebody who is ignorant and/or blind to the facts.
Quote all the Sony press releases you want.... Shall I pull out the old ones stating that Sony was going to be producing Emotion Engine PC's that would take the world be storm? Or have those been swept down the memory hole by them now claiming to do the same thing with Cell? (how soon we forget). Getting Nvidia and other people to produce a bunch of separate tools doesn't give you an integrated solution. It only gives you even more nonsense you have to deal with when things don't work properly.
MSFT has a kickass development system for XBOX. You may not like it, but the fact remains. I'm certainly no MSFT fan.... but i've got XBOX and PS2 development systems on my desk and there is no question which one makes my life less painfull. If you have a real argument why it should be the opposite that is based on experience and not a future tense press release on what Sony might do, I'd be interested in hearing it.
I'm sure I'll be flamebait, but i'll have to file you under "you still don't get it". (that and shamlessly promoting your blog.) Not only don't you get it, you won't listen. Sure - argue that I'm wrong. Willing to take a bet which one of us will still be right in a year? Two years?
You said: "Instead, the problem with Linux is that not enough people are getting it preinstalled on their computers."
Bzzzt. Wrong. Do you think everybody would automatically love Linux if it was dumped on them? No. Not by a mile. Remember, Linux is FREE and can't compete on the desktop with stuff that isn't. Stuff that is generally either put out by an evil empire, or a fruit company
I stand firmly behind JWZ's statement: "Linux is free if your time is worthless".
99.9% of the people out there use their computer as a tool. They aren't interested in tinkering with it, or even worse, fighting with it to try to get something done. I don't want to have to screw with my computer for simple things any more than I want to screw with my car just to get to work. THESE ARE SOLVED PROBLEMS.
If you want to get Linux accepted on the desktop, I suggest you take a good hard look at trying to do even the most simple things that people do on other platforms every day.
-play music -configure a printer -move files around the network -play games -adding/changing hardware -etc
These are simple and linux still has plenty of problems with them. Play sound? ALSA or OSS or something else. Barf. And doing something like adding a new graphics card? *shudder*. The ensuing Xwindows pain in the ass makes me sweat just thinking about it. "You've bought the latest wifi card? Oh sure, you just need to grab this patch, patch a kernel module, recompile, reconfigure, modprobe, and you're set!!" OH COME ON!
If the only way to set something up is to edit a config file, YOU FAIL. Period. This is not open to discussion. You will not win on the desktop. When my mom/dad/sister/grandma calls, I can walk them through GUI's to change settings. I can't/won't dare have them editing some random file in/etc. Thats playing with fire.
I contrast this with windows. A recent event for me: the onboard firewire port on my laptop died. I bought a firewire PCMCIA card. I plugged it in. Windows detects it, finds the drivers, installs them, and is done. I plug in my iPod and up pops iTunes, it syncs, and everybody is happy. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THIS SIMPLE.
And i'm not even going to go into the KDE/GNOME/whateverdesktopyouchose wars and inconsistency nightmares that are going on.
(And even more, i'm not going to go into the incompatibility issues with the different distros and system configurations. AIEEEEEEEE)
It's not an exposure issue. Linux still isn't there yet. If you think it is, I suggest you go over to an usergroup like mythtv-users for people setting up that particular media server. You wouldn't belive the fucking nightmares people have to deal with for things like getting digital audio working out of their box.
THIS IS ALMOST 2006! PC AUDIO HAS BEEN A SOLVED PROBLEM FOR A LOOOONG TIME FOR THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE.
To replace windows Linux doesn't need to be as good, it needs to be BETTER. I'll tell you I'm perfectly willing to pay $100 for windows/MacOSX for the shear amounts of headaches it saves me vs. trying to run linux on my desktop (and yes, I have done it). If you think paying $50-150 (arguably, whatever the OEM cost is) for windows over a 3-5 year windows product cycle vs. the amount of trouble it saves you is too much money. Well, I'll just have to say we must live in two very different worlds.
I am soooo not a microsoft fan, and I think a lot of their user interface work is junk, but they **still** beat linux's ass when it comes to general usability.
>>> What if that one chunk hadn't fallen off >>>right in view of the camera?
Dude.... they are using HUNDREDS of cameras now.
It didn't fall right in view of '*the* camera'. They just relesed the best view to show what happened.
>>The return-to-flight mission would have been >>declared an outstanding success. Regular >>launches would have resumed. We would be back >>on track again.
So if you don't see the problem it doesn't exist? Sounds like you're NASA material!
I guess I missed something --- was Kings Quest actually fun?
I more put it in the same basket as "Leisure Suit Larry", etc all.
Those Sierra graphics games where what you have to do is walk up to and try to do something with EVERY THING IN THE ENTIRE DAMN WORLD to find where they hid something. It wasn't fun for 99% of the population - it was an exercise in patience and frustration.
You might want to have a bit more background before you make such broad statements.
In a LOT of jurisdictions these are completely unenforceable.
>>If you work for a defense contractor, for >>example, Lockheed Martin, they will make you >>sign an agreement that you will not work for >>Boeing, Northrop, Raytheon, etc for a 3 year >>period.
Then your original employer must be willing to pay your salary for that three year period. If you are that specialized of a person, an employment contractor that puts those kinds of conditions in your terms of employment are basically making it so you cannot work if you want to leave. What are you supposed to do - go work at Taco Bell for the next 3 years?
Most sane legal proceedings will not uphold such a contract that essentially makes you unemployable and thus unable to support yourself.
(And before you try to argue, this is not a point of opinion. It is a point of fact).
Just moving to color screens for all the 'big' iPods is not new.
I have an iPod. I love it. But Apple has been really complacent with it's development for the last while. Then again, it's poor PPC faithful are in even worse shape (I have no problem with the x86 switchover, but in the mean time almost their entire PPC line is desperate for updates).
Complacentcy will kill ya. Look out Apple. For the 'kings of innovation' there isn't much to see for the last while.
Slashdot Mirror
A bunch of kids downvoting a video to be trolls is not a 'civil war'. This is firmly "things that don't matter to anybody".
A dose of perspective would be healthy.
"Incredible GPU" (I'll just leave for a moment this is a chip just to be maybe 'unveiled', while the the latest iOS chip which you can buy for 6 months is already way ahead as usual...)
Unless they've fired their entire OpenGL/Vulkan driver engineering department and started over, I can't get excited. It'll just be *another* big bag of pain and busted features.
As God as my witness, I wish somebody would make the investment to give Qualcomm some actual competition, cause they are a nightmare.
Signed : Mobile Games Graphics Engineer.
"profits are sinking faster than a boat without a hull".
Today must be Opposite Day. Nice fact checking SD. MSFT is doing just fine.
They you should totally continue to complain on the internet that nobody is meeting your exact needs for free. The rest of us will get some work done.
If you want NDK debugging, use the nVidia Tegra Android development pack + Visual Studio. It's the least terrible option out there.
Really? A single entendre is the best you could do?
>>Guys like you should be dressed in a pair of speedos and forced to parade for an hour in a gay bar.
>>Then we'd hear no more nonsense about "political correctness".
FUck off. What makes you think us gays want to be punished with that asshole too?
Easily: No. There is nothing inherent in 'hacker culture' to cause this.
To explain:
Large groups of men together tend towards asshole behavior. And do stupid shit they wouldn't in typical circumstances.
Especially if alcohol is involved.
The PS3 has 512MB of memory. 256 system memory, 256 video memory.
>>You understand that you as a developer can just pick one to use and not worry about the others, don't you? More is better.
Yeah. I also understand pragmatism.
I also understand that most things in the world are finite. Especially development resources.
Worring about 4 different ways 3rd parties can get code on the platform is a nightmare for RIM. Thats a huge amount of wasted focus, effort, and resources.
And as an outside developer, I *know* it's untenable. Something will have to get cut loose at some point. And the question is, do I feel confident enough on the gamble that the API I pick isn't the one that gets the shaft?
You may not agree with it, but I guarantee thats the calculus a lot of folks are doing.
>>The question becomes how they are going to handle sideloading and competing markets.
If you read the story, you'd know why it's not an issue.
YOu can't use the android market.
Apps have to be repackaged for BB.
If by 'great' you mean terrible.
So to recap, they want you do to app development with :
-Adobe Air.
-Oh yeah, or BB java apps.
-And have a runtime for some Android stuff at some unspecified point in the future (and if you didn't bother reading, apps have to be repackaged for BB).
-Also have the "WebWorks SDK for Tablet OS".
-Oh yeah, and they're bringing out a native C/C++ API.
The phrase"'rudderless ship" comes to mind. 4 completely different API's to get on the thing.
Clusterfuck. No third party is going to take them seriously until they can get their story straight... and the thing hasn't even shipped yet.
No wonder their shares fell 10% today. If i owned any I'd be looking for the exits.
>>but I'm still fucking FAT. Don't sit there on your fat ass and tell me
s /caloriesburnedcalculator.asp
s /caloriesburnedcalculator.asp
>>that there's no epidemic. I still wear a size 46 pants.
Then i call bullshit.
Lets start: taking a guess of your age at 35, your basal metabolic rate (you know, the MINIMUM amount of calories your body would burn if you didn't even move) is 2513.
http://www.changingshape.com/resources/calculator
You're that active, you eat less than *1000* calories a day (double bullshit), and you can't lose weight?
That makes perfect sense. You MUST be breaking both the laws of conservation of energy, and the laws of thermodynamics.
Using your weight, and running a 12 minute mile (that ain't quick), you'd burn 385 calories right there. That leaves 615 calories for you to stay alive for 24 hours (not counting all the other exercise you claim to be doing).
http://www.changingshape.com/resources/calculator
Please.
You're either a liar, or self deluded. Pick one.
j
>>As a Muslim, I believe that homosexual relationships are major sin.
What else does your magical, imaginary friend in the sky tell you?
Lets be clear here:
-Immersion owns some broad patents around rumble
-Immersion sued Microsoft + Sony
-****MICROSOFT SETTLED WITH IMMERSION, AND BOUGHT AN INTEREST IN THE COMPANY
-Sony won't settle over the PS2 (still before the courts), and pulled it from the PS3
This isn't news - it's propaganda from Immersion/MS to try to make Sony look bad. Even if Sony wanted to use it, Immersion/MS would probably make it prohibitively expensive. Sony can't win here, and MS is playing the press game perfectly. Zonk eats it up every time.
>>Microsoft has ulterior motives for attempting to skulk into my living room.
Any Sony doesn't? Sony is ever bit as evil in my book. More in certain ways, slightly less in others.
Make no mistake, these are both corporations. They only have one agenda.
I see you weren't able to produce any concrete examples.
You've made my point better than I did. Thanks.
>>Ah, the pathetic myths people perpetuate.
Dude. You should really not talk about things you know nothing about.
Brain damage? That may be a bit extreme, but the sony tools suck. Period. If you think they don't, please give concrete examples, contrasing them with what else is available.
Right now what do you use to develop on the PS2? You either use Metroworks Codewarrior, or the product by SN Systems (I use the former).
Notice --- neither of those are produced by sony.
No big deal you say? So what happens when you find a bug? You get to report it, and then Metroworks and Sony play the blame game for a while until somebody takes ownership of it and maybe eventually gives you a fix.... maybe not. Things are even worse on the PSP.... Sony has 'locked down' certain things you could do on the PS2 for 'security reasons'. And since the tool vendors (compilers, etc) are outside Sony, they don't get access either. End result --- things like our library's interrupt driven real-time profiler can't be run on the PSP. Just stupid stupid stupid.
I have to debug in Codewarrior all day and I would agree that it's causing some sort of damage to my brain. Try waiting for 5-10 seconds for it to step over a line of code in the debugger. Totally random. Yeah, it's been like this for years. Not to mention the continual crashes. Oh yeah, and the random crashes occasionally trash your compile state so you have to do a full rebuild (on my current game, that takes 25 minutes). CW *is* good for two things: 1) it's good for being able to find you the definition of something (define, class, method, macro, whatever. VS still has problems and sometimes can't tell you and you have to search for it yourself). 2) it enforces coffee/cigarette breaks because of it falling over and pooping it's pants regularly.
MSDEV just works and the debugger is probably the best out there (want to try to intelligently debug threads on the PS2? Oh sorry - YOU CAN'T). Hit a break point on your XBOX and want to see whats in the render target or how your texture stages are populated? Click click you can see it in the UI. I won't even go into the XBOX having a unified memory system instead of the VRAM ridiculousness you have to fuck around with on a PS2. Having to manage VRAM DMA uploads to stage your rendering? In 2005? You've got to be fucking kidding me.
You don't get this from MSFT. You report a bug. MSFT, XBOX and Visual Studio are the same entity. Problems get fixed. And lets admit it - Visual Studio is the best all round development tool there is out there. If you can't agree to that, well.... then I can't argue with somebody who is ignorant and/or blind to the facts.
Quote all the Sony press releases you want.... Shall I pull out the old ones stating that Sony was going to be producing Emotion Engine PC's that would take the world be storm? Or have those been swept down the memory hole by them now claiming to do the same thing with Cell? (how soon we forget). Getting Nvidia and other people to produce a bunch of separate tools doesn't give you an integrated solution. It only gives you even more nonsense you have to deal with when things don't work properly.
MSFT has a kickass development system for XBOX. You may not like it, but the fact remains. I'm certainly no MSFT fan.... but i've got XBOX and PS2 development systems on my desk and there is no question which one makes my life less painfull. If you have a real argument why it should be the opposite that is based on experience and not a future tense press release on what Sony might do, I'd be interested in hearing it.
I'm sure I'll be flamebait, but i'll have to file you under "you still don't get it". (that and shamlessly promoting your blog.)
/etc. Thats playing with fire.
Not only don't you get it, you won't listen. Sure - argue that I'm wrong. Willing to take a bet which one of us will still be right in a year? Two years?
You said: "Instead, the problem with Linux is that not enough people are getting it preinstalled on their computers."
Bzzzt. Wrong. Do you think everybody would automatically love Linux if it was dumped on them? No. Not by a mile. Remember, Linux is FREE and can't compete on the desktop with stuff that isn't. Stuff that is generally either put out by an evil empire, or a fruit company
I stand firmly behind JWZ's statement: "Linux is free if your time is worthless".
99.9% of the people out there use their computer as a tool. They aren't interested in tinkering with it, or even worse, fighting with it to try to get something done. I don't want to have to screw with my computer for simple things any more than I want to screw with my car just to get to work. THESE ARE SOLVED PROBLEMS.
If you want to get Linux accepted on the desktop, I suggest you take a good hard look at trying to do even the most simple things that people do on other platforms every day.
-play music
-configure a printer
-move files around the network
-play games
-adding/changing hardware
-etc
These are simple and linux still has plenty of problems with them.
Play sound? ALSA or OSS or something else. Barf. And doing something like adding a new graphics card? *shudder*. The ensuing Xwindows pain in the ass makes me sweat just thinking about it. "You've bought the latest wifi card? Oh sure, you just need to grab this patch, patch a kernel module, recompile, reconfigure, modprobe, and you're set!!" OH COME ON!
If the only way to set something up is to edit a config file, YOU FAIL. Period. This is not open to discussion. You will not win on the desktop. When my mom/dad/sister/grandma calls, I can walk them through GUI's to change settings. I can't/won't dare have them editing some random file in
I contrast this with windows. A recent event for me: the onboard firewire port on my laptop died. I bought a firewire PCMCIA card. I plugged it in. Windows detects it, finds the drivers, installs them, and is done. I plug in my iPod and up pops iTunes, it syncs, and everybody is happy. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THIS SIMPLE.
And i'm not even going to go into the KDE/GNOME/whateverdesktopyouchose wars and inconsistency nightmares that are going on.
(And even more, i'm not going to go into the incompatibility issues with the different distros and system configurations. AIEEEEEEEE)
It's not an exposure issue. Linux still isn't there yet. If you think it is, I suggest you go over to an usergroup like mythtv-users for people setting up that particular media server. You wouldn't belive the fucking nightmares people have to deal with for things like getting digital audio working out of their box.
THIS IS ALMOST 2006! PC AUDIO HAS BEEN A SOLVED PROBLEM FOR A LOOOONG TIME FOR THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE.
To replace windows Linux doesn't need to be as good, it needs to be BETTER. I'll tell you I'm perfectly willing to pay $100 for windows/MacOSX for the shear amounts of headaches it saves me vs. trying to run linux on my desktop (and yes, I have done it). If you think paying $50-150 (arguably, whatever the OEM cost is) for windows over a 3-5 year windows product cycle vs. the amount of trouble it saves you is too much money. Well, I'll just have to say we must live in two very different worlds.
I am soooo not a microsoft fan, and I think a lot of their user interface work is junk, but they **still** beat linux's ass when it comes to general usability.
LISA! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!
>>Does he have a reliable source backing up this claim?
How about every thing Sony has ever launched?
I think using an organizations overwhelming history can be considered somewhat 'reliable'.
For those with a short term memory, go back and read the PS2 launch promises and compare to what actually happened.
>>> What if that one chunk hadn't fallen off
>>>right in view of the camera?
Dude.... they are using HUNDREDS of cameras now.
It didn't fall right in view of '*the* camera'. They just relesed the best view to show what happened.
>>The return-to-flight mission would have been
>>declared an outstanding success. Regular
>>launches would have resumed. We would be back
>>on track again.
So if you don't see the problem it doesn't exist? Sounds like you're NASA material!
I guess I missed something --- was Kings Quest actually fun?
I more put it in the same basket as "Leisure Suit Larry", etc all.
Those Sierra graphics games where what you have to do is walk up to and try to do something with EVERY THING IN THE ENTIRE DAMN WORLD to find where they hid something. It wasn't fun for 99% of the population - it was an exercise in patience and frustration.
You might want to have a bit more background before you make such broad statements.
In a LOT of jurisdictions these are completely unenforceable.
>>If you work for a defense contractor, for
>>example, Lockheed Martin, they will make you
>>sign an agreement that you will not work for
>>Boeing, Northrop, Raytheon, etc for a 3 year
>>period.
Then your original employer must be willing to pay your salary for that three year period. If you are that specialized of a person, an employment contractor that puts those kinds of conditions in your terms of employment are basically making it so you cannot work if you want to leave. What are you supposed to do - go work at Taco Bell for the next 3 years?
Most sane legal proceedings will not uphold such a contract that essentially makes you unemployable and thus unable to support yourself.
(And before you try to argue, this is not a point of opinion. It is a point of fact).
Why is this news? Oh yeah, it's not.
Just moving to color screens for all the 'big' iPods is not new.
I have an iPod. I love it. But Apple has been really complacent with it's development for the last while. Then again, it's poor PPC faithful are in even worse shape (I have no problem with the x86 switchover, but in the mean time almost their entire PPC line is desperate for updates).
Complacentcy will kill ya. Look out Apple. For the 'kings of innovation' there isn't much to see for the last while.