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Robosapien: Latest Toy Robot From Mark Tilden

Onnimikki writes "Mark Tilden has been building really cool BEAM robots for a long time. Now, he's come up with RoboSapien, a toy that no self-respecting geek can go without. Videos of the RoboSapien at the 2004 New York City Toy Fair have been made available by Solarbotics. Mark offers some really good explanations about what makes them work."

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  1. Imagine if he spent $200! by erick99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Watch the demo video, the first one on the video page. The technology behind this robot is amazing! Each movement of the robot, for example, returns 50% of the energy used back to the batteries. This means the robot can run it's seven motors for 20 hours. While the robot itself is pretty wild - it can do some pretty wild things and not fall over - the real benefit, I think, is in how these innovations can be translated into more serious robotic applications. If he can do all of this with two chips and 12K of assembler code, imagine the possibilities for something that might cost a bit more than this robot's $99.

    Happy Trails!

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    1. Re:Imagine if he spent $200! by l810c · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's been a few years since I was really interested in things like this. But this thing is just light years ahead of anything I'm aware of.

      This looks like something that's released in Japan 3 years before it ever(if ever) makes it to rest of the world.

      I'm reminded by those multi-million dollar Japanese robots(Doesn't Honda and someone else make one?). They have huge research labs, this guy has literally evolved his robots from bugs to sapiens. The next generations should be amazing.

      Oh yea, and my son will be getting one of these for his 1st birthday in a couple of months. Here, play with the box.

  2. you can preorder this today by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Informative

    at best buy, 100$ pricetag

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    1. Re:you can preorder this today by r_glen · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:you can preorder this today by Attaturk · · Score: 3, Funny

      I for one welcome our new robosapien overlords.

  3. World domination robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "A full function fast moving robot minion suitable for all your world domination needs."

    And for only $99? Wow, we should've invested in these in Iraq.

    1. Re:World domination robot by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow, we should've invested in these in Iraq.

      We would of, if Halliburton made 'em.

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    2. Re:World domination robot by domsol · · Score: 5, Funny
      [I]We would of, if Halliburton made 'em.[/I]


      But then they wouldn't have cost only $99 apiece...

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  4. Bless You, Child by illuminata · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, I have to give this guy credit, for when he was playing God he didn't choose to create RoboSapien in his own image.

    I mean, shit, a big robotic dude with mean chops would freak me out.

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  5. Don't tell Arnold by victor_the_cleaner · · Score: 5, Funny

    Blatantly policital:

    Good thing he didn't name it HomoSapien, or the Terminator/Gov. of California (difficult to tell which part is more of a stretch) would say:

    What a Homo Robot? That is illegal!

    1. Re:Don't tell Arnold by ctrl-alt-elite · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I dont want anyone to think were robosexual, so if anyone askes, your my debugger."
      -Bender

  6. At last by CrystalCut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A small, somewhat cute robot that wouldn't freak you at at 4 AM if you bumped into it.

    Actually, I found this pretty cool. Amazing these little guys have such ablities consdering the technology.

    After seeing countless videos of many different robots, this is on the only one I could see putting on my desk. Don't know how the ghosts who haunt my abode are going to feel about it though.

  7. Re:Popular science quote by kertong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it isn't $600. :)

  8. I, for one, welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...our tiny, little overlords.

  9. language skills by victor_the_cleaner · · Score: 5, Funny
    from the WooWee web site:

    - Speaks fluent international "caveman".

    It's nice to see more interest in 'caveman', unlike dying languages such as Latin or 'Furby'.

    Although 'caveman' is not a selection at Babel Fish yet.

  10. dammit! by kertong · · Score: 5, Funny


    "- 67 pre-programmed functions including pick-up, throw, kick, sweep,dance, fart, beltch, rap, and half-a-dozen different kung-fu moves.
    - Speaks fluent international "caveman".
    - Three demonstration modes: Disco dance, Rude behavior, and Kung Fu kata.


    Well, looks like I'm going to lose my job to a $100 robot.

  11. Would these things interact with each other? by Simon+Carr · · Score: 4, Funny

    If not, that should be stage two. Why buy one $99 minion to bully your colleagues with, when you can buy two that will work as a team (heh). And of course, who could resist the sick pleasure of making them fight each other for batteries.

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  12. Re:Popular science quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  13. Come to daddy by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Farts, belches, who needs bio-brats when you can have one of these for $99 and less than 9 months waiting time.

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    1. Re:Come to daddy by orkysoft · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bite my shiny analog ass! ;-)

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  14. This is not especially interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pray tell, why is this an especially interesting development? This toy is basically a remote-controlled device. Far from a "robot", like AIBO or QRIO which actually have autonomous capabilities and can decide to do things on their own.

    I move to strike the word "robot" from any device that is not autonomous in some fashion... :)

    1. Re:This is not especially interesting by EtherealSys · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my opinion, this is an exciting article, not because of the robot's capabilities, but because of its price tag. This is bringing some pretty sophisticated robotics to a completely different market than the AIBO or QRIO. If these motor skills can really be done at such a price, there's no reason why we shouldnt see pretty dramatic drops in the prices of the more expensive tech toys.

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    2. Re:This is not especially interesting by randyest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If these motor skills can really be done at such a price, there's no reason why we shouldnt see pretty dramatic drops in the prices of the more expensive tech toys.

      Don't be so sure. These are analog control circuits, not digital logic. So there' s no CPU or microcontroller to program with autonomous-ish behavior. And theres not an easy (or cheap) way to control the analog circuits even with add-on digital controller of some sort or add new response behavior based on new sensor inputs -- the discrete component operating ranges are to small to produce the wide variety of behavior you can do with digital logic.

      So, if you want this toy to do something new, you can't just tweak some assembly code, or vary the pulse-code modulation signal to a servo, you have to design a new control circuit. There's the rub.

      Still kinda cool to watch an $80 robot do a little jig with decent dexterity. It's a great achievement in low-cost analog feedback control systems. If we just knew how to make cheap resistors and capacitors with wide ranges of easily-controllable parameters, we'd be seeing some major advancements spawning from this.. .

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    3. Re:This is not especially interesting by elmegil · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It does sound automomously programmable, just not completely behavioral like Aibo. Of course it's not $1500 either. Also there's this bit from the All Nerd Review article:

      What Tilden emphasized with the RoboSimian, was the customization possibilities involved. Are you listening, action figure customizing freaks? Now you can dress up and paint your very own robot. He also said that because of its affordability, techno-geeks (I'm looking at you, Dave) can open this sucker up and play around with his insides, looking to see not only how he works, but what can be done to him. Wise move.

      If Mark Tilden says he made it so you could play with the guts, I think I'm gonna want to play with the guts.

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    4. Re:This is not especially interesting by randyest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, strictly speaking everything in the real world is analog, of course. But, in the way we're using the terms here, analog means made from discrete analog components and feedback circuits with fixed values, which are distinctly unlike the human's (and other animals') unique ability to vary the analog operations in such widely varying and relatively precise ways.

      Digital, as relevant here (like an Aibo), means able to be approximated by binary values and transformed by logical operations using digital circuits that drive digital-analog converters such as servos and motors with "digital" imputs and controls. This sort of thing lends itself very easily to programming that can be changed and modified easily, sensors added to the system with little impact or re-design needed, etc.

      My point was that analog discrete devices, like the ones used in this toy, tend to be only cheap enough to warrant a system price of $80 when they are the plain old-fashioned fixed values, which means the circuit made of these that controls the behavior is not variable (its behavior depends on these fixed values). It does one thing, and has a few circuits that it can shunt in an out to do several canned things. But making it do a new thing, even a slight variation is hard and expensive, and adding a new input from a new sensor, something trivial in most digital control systems (like an Aibo), is nigh impossible.

      So, again, the only way this sort of analog-circuit control system robot toy will help bring down the cost of other, digital processor-based robots, is if we find a way to make cheap discrete components with variable parameter values controllable by digital logic, and even then the savings would be pretty small. You still need the ASIC with the microcontroller in it. Maybe your servos and motors could be a bit cheaper -- maybe.

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    5. Re:This is not especially interesting by zozzles · · Score: 3, Interesting
      To all who think this is a particularly "analog" device, I'd like to point out that in the "intro" video clip, the ending words are:

      So, that's pretty cool for a hundred buck robot with no gyroscope, the brain of a calculator and two chips inside, one, the Hitachi motor driver based upon nervous network control technology, and two, a dedicated sound processor based on a 4-depth stack modified PIC20 and 12K of assembler code.

      (see also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beam/message/41592 )

      This is a radio controlled toy that is run by a microcontroller (the PIC20) using 12Kb of programming. Yep, good old software, the bane of the BEAMworld.

      The motor driver chip no doubt is a variation on Tilden's "adaptive h-bridge design", but that is about all of the "nervous net technology" that is being used - heck, the motors in all the other "robots" are analog but no one goes around claiming how they are so special...

      I am going to buy one simply because it is a lot of "stuff" for relatively little money. However, having been the BEAM Heretic for 7 years now, I take all the the exaggerated claims with the same tablespoon of salt I usually do.

      Old quote: Digital is just really fast analog.

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  15. World domination, eh? by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A full function fast moving robot minion suitable for all your world domination needs.

    *looks at robot*

    Well, sure, if you plan to dominate the portion of the world that's smaller than 14 inches.

    I guess that could work. I mean, if you control the floors and electrical outlets, you pretty much control everything.

    1. Re:World domination, eh? by katre · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess that could work. I mean, if you control the floors and electrical outlets, you pretty much control everything.

      My cat has two rules:

      • Anything on the floor is his.
      • Anything on anything that is his, is his.
      Since rule 2 is applied recursively, he can easily rule the entire apartment, despite being less than 14 inches tall!.
  16. More Videos by smr2x · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hate to do this to this poor server.. But there's a zip file with two videos here:

    http://www.iirobotics.com/webpages/hotstuff.php

    Have fun!

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  17. Reminds me of... by Beolach · · Score: 3, Informative

    The trailer/advertisement for the I, Robot movie being made right now. Looks more like an ad for an actual robot, rather than a movie.

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  18. pre-orders at BestBuy and ToysrUs/Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative


    BestBuy is taking preorders for RoboSapien at $99.99 shipped free.

    Toysrus.com has it for $89.99 but no free shipping.

  19. My favorite Mark Tilden story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I got this at least second hand so if somebody has a more accurate version I would be interested to hear it.

    Mark was giving a presentation at a conference. He was showing off one of his small insect robots. He then (to the audience's horror) crumpled it up like a wad of paper and put it down on top of the overhead projector. The audience was then able to see it unfold itself and walk away.

    Unfortunately, the story has a larger context which explains how it comes to be that Mark is down in the States rather than still here in Canada. Again, I would be interested in hearing an accurate version of the story.

    1. Re:My favorite Mark Tilden story by mkucic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is true! Mark Tilden visits the Telluride workshop each year. This is gathering of Neuromorphics junkie, I being one of them attended one year. He builds robots using a very simple basic building block. Each building block being able to run on its own. The building blocks connect together to form a larger system. He can literally damage the system and it will continue to operate. Each block adapting to the lack of input from its neighboring block. Kinda weird to watch someone rips wires out of the gut of a system and then see the thing adapt to the loss and still move along.

  20. Re:Popular science quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because the robots he builds aren't build using fast microcontrollers and heuristics to get things to move. They're designed using analog techniques (i.e. discrete amplifiers, capacitors, and resistors instead of a custom ASIC - similar to the way people designed things like TVs 30yrs ago with only a couple dozen transistors versus the millions of logic gates in modern TVs). So instead of using a digital timer on a chip you could use a charging capacitor. Well designed analog systems can be much better than digital solutions.

    The main reason people don't do things in analog more often is that its hard to design and its typically even harder to design something that can be mass produced (due to tolerances/ manufacturing variations). A popular control systems design book has a photo of his UniBug on the cover because it's such a neat applications of controls theory. The bug can walk without needing any long fine tuning to get parameters to just the right value.

    Of course analog design suffers from a whole host of problems that the digital world is relatively immune to. For example, noise in an analog system is a huge killer whereas noise in a digital system isn't so bad untill you start working at >100MHz. For example, 1-2mv (that's 10^-3) of noise in your analog system can be deadly if you're amplifying that signal by 100x-1000x whereas 1-2mv of noise in a digital part isn't such a big problem.

  21. BitTorrent for video files by Dr.+Ion · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Solarbotics server is under a bit of stress, so here's a torrent for all four video files, 42.7MB total.

  22. THUD! CRASH! by SWTP_OS9 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well need to wire the jaw back in place this is outstanding. Now tie it into a computer as a hire leval brain and wow!

    That made the Sony one look like 2 year old mush!

    Are they sure it will go for 99 dollars! WOW!

  23. Robosexual by giminy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now, he's come up with RoboSapien, a toy that no self-respecting geek can go without.

    At first glance, I thought this said "can go out with."

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  24. Grand & Tilden by Usquebaugh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sort of an amateur AI/AL person, unlike the MIT clowns I admit to it :-)

    There is a great deal in common between this and the game/work of Steve Grand. Steve has started to work with robotics and I think this a mistake. He could have taken his software to the next level.

    Both Grand and Tilden feel that you can create life with very simple processes. You do not need to spell about how something is to behave but what something is. This is a fundamental change from the traditional AI/AL approach.

    The exciting thing is that the approach of using simple processes is paying dividends. Where Grand might explain conciousness, Tilden can explain physiology.

    Where is computing going in the future, take a look at the work of these two gentlemen and see for your self.

  25. This is _VERY_ interesting.... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real world can be analog and digital at the same time. It's red not blue. it's a sort of pinkish red. Is time discreet or continuos? What do you mean you do not know!

    Fixed, what is fixed? There are a lot of fixed values in the human body. In fact most of the body is based on very fixed processes. Feed back, is a very fixed response. The complexity comes with the sheer number of feedback systems working in parrallel. We cannot model this complexity with a pre-programmed system, but it may be possible to simulate the feedback and then set those loose to model the system.

    Have you _EVER_ worked with a digital robot, adding a new senosr is not easy? Adding a new response is not easy. In fact this is one of the main stumbling blocks of digital robots. Everytime you add a new sensor you have to explicity program for it. That means the robot is limited by the imagination/time of the designer.

    In response to your last paragraph, take a look at beam robots. See how they can do tasks with a few components that complex digital robots cannot. See how they deal with component failures. Think about how this ties back to nature. See that tieing into a feedback circuit is easy, but ultimately unpredictable.

    This whole area is opening up after 50+ years of going in the wrong direction and achieving only predictable systems. AI/AL is embracing simple systems that combine automatically to implement complexity.

    Read Stephen Wolfram, Steve Grand and Mark Tilden. All three are showing that unpredictable complexity can be modeled by designing simple feedback systems and then letting them interfere with each other. Chaos theory is the underlying mathamatics.

    To cast aside this arena as just a cheap toy is to be blind to the sheer scope of the undertaking.

    Orville, Wilbour put down that paper plane it's just a toy.