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Keyless Entries Fail In Las Vegas On Friday
Hoompini-Ting writes "Some accuse area 51, but in any case many folks were stranded when keyless locks failed or their car computers malfunctioned. No technical explanation but I'm sure slashdotters have theories. Similar to the failure in Seattle 3 years ago. See the Las Vegas Review-Journal for more details."
that some Ford, etc. systems use the same frequency as the military, so if it were a military cause, than perhaps only those keyless systems would be affected?
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The article refers to the event (U.S. aircraft carrier docked near Seattle, similar electronic glitches were noted). So, RTFA.
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Sorry to all you conspiracy theory nuts, this happens all the time. The fact that it made the news surely indicates a slow news day. 30 people in a town of millions called a towing company for a lockout, oooooo! Many keyless entry systems operate around 430MHz. Anytime I transmit on 440MHz while sitting in a parking lot, I set off car alarms and laugh at the people press the crap out of the buttons on their keyless entry systems. Military over the horizon radar is broadband and around 430-440MHz. Anytime the Navy has a big boat in the area, the 440 repeaters are buzzing with radar noise, and low-end keyless entry systems can fail. Granted that Las Vegas doesn't have a whole lot of Navy vessels nearby, but they do have miltary there. On the other hand, it's more fun to blame it on Area 51
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The field of these thingies is powerful enough to light up a lightbulb over a few feet (if you wire the lighbulb to a reception coil). The story I heard was that the local equivalent of the FCC came in and shut the Tesla generators down. And that was long before cell phones and wireless can openers... I mean car openers.
Would be more fun to have a strong emitter send out all possible code sequences so all the cars in Vegas would unlock...
My 2003 Honda security system works the same way; I can get into the car using the key, but the alarm goes off if I don't use the transmitter. In fact, if I stop the car, take the key out, open and close the door, and remain in the car, the alarm goes off after a minute. Likewise if I leave the trunk open too long. Damn annoying technology, if you ask me. Why can't the alarm just turn on when I tell it to, and then turn off when I tell it to?
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Location + date/time might I suspect be very enlightening.
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Wireless telephones operate at a higher frequency, with more power. Remotes as a general rule operate via IR. Neither would be affected by a low-power scrambler.
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It would be interesting to see how many of the fob's were older. The SAW's used in FOB's drift in frequency over time. It's possible that they are operating marginally, and so even a little interference would affect performance.
In addition to the usual military radio use which could interfere, ham's could also cause problems even if they are not operating directly on frequency.
If some ham operator doesn't know his power amplifier has decided to start distorting for one reason or another, you could get intermittent distortion which lands @ ~ 430MHz, and again you have a problem.
Or maybe it's just that the batteries were faulty.
It's sort of don't care, except for the truly stupid involvement of homeland security.
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Had this been a real EMP, the devices still wouldn't work. An EMP would render most semiconductors (transistors, diodes, etc) completely useless, and indefinitely so.
Since this appears to be production level tech I'd guess it's more likely that Nellis AFB has acquired something similar rather than some Skunk project at Area 51 being to blame. Of course the tinfoil hat brigade can (and no doubt will) continue to blame it all on the aliens at Dreamland.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
My keyless entry transmitters range was horrible (as in much more horrible than usual) yesterday, but it worked if you got close enough.
I was wondering my both transmitters seemed to get weak at the same time.
I haven't tried it today.
My computer stayed up throughout, no DSL problems, no cable problems, no power problems either, cell phone seemed ok except one call I made the signal quality was poor even though I was not too far from the tower.
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All car alarms are unreasonable behavior. Annoying other people is not a way to protect your car from being stolen. If I saw someone stealing someones car that had a car alarm, I might just help them.
The fact that your car alarm goes off because it wasn't opened in the same way it was locked is just plain paranoid. If you feel you have a right to wake people up, annoy them to no end, and your car make loud screaching sounds every time someone just _might_ be stealing your precious car, you've lost touch with the society.
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Uhm, FYI - Bremerton, WA != Seattle
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Bremerton is home to the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard which often has several large ships at port for a few years for repairs and outfittings. Which is where they think the 'disturbance' might have come from.
Sure if you want to buy a $5,000 alarm maybe it can do that ;)
But a basic car alarm works like a home alarm.
If the alarm is armed, it WILL go off if any of the doors are opened. In the more advanced models they also sense for glass being broken etc.
Typically, the alarm does not care HOW you got the door open, if the alarm is armed it assumes the person opening the door should not be opening it. With some advanced systems like VIPER,they do have a way to turn off if following the alarm going off, you insert the key into the ignition. But if the alarm does not have that feature then if the alarm remote is not working you are pretty much SOL.
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While whatever causing the disturbance can cause your remote to stop operating, there is no way that random RF interference can cause your car and garage doors to start opening. All these systems use a set "code" of pulses - so it takes a lot more than just broadcasting on the right freqency to make something happen.
Here (don't let the rather garish site design put you off) is a site on banning car alarms in NYC. They have some information (sadly the complete report is only available in PDF - "Bad Web Designer!") that fairly convincingly (to me anyway) makes the point that car alarms are pretty close to useless and cause other problems as well. Of course, it also turns out that the car alarm manufacturers are lobbying hard against any such move.
Holy crap, it happened to me! I am in Vegas for work this month. Anyway yesterday my car wouldn't open when I tried to push the button. It thought the battery in my key chain fob thingy was dead, but when I got to work (which is somewhat away from Vegas) it worked fine.
Then I thought maybe my cell phone was interfering with my keyless thing (I was talking on my cell phone yesterday as I got in the car). This morning I went out and the thing worked fine, but when I came back to the hotel the keyless wouldn't lock the door. I had to manually lock it. Then I came inside and saw this article. Wierd!
if that had happened there would be a lot more things not working right. An EMP wouldn't just disrupt keyless entry systems, but all electronic devices within a certain area.
In this case, I think the "terrorist" angle merit(ed) looking into.
It was worth considering for about a half second.
"a lot of static electricity in the air could be messing up the radio waves" I didn't think static electricity could exist in the air. After all, that's why we can see a spark jump, the air conducts electicity.
...the keyless entry transmitter to my Ford Explorer transmits at 314.925 MHz.
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i would really like to have a way of finding out negative or positive moderation overturns and filtering. seems one persons flamebait (which parent post is listed as currently) often isnt and is moderated accordingly later on.
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He asked to be modded off-topic, so he was (after being modded up sufficiently). What's wrong with that?
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Hm. I recall a story from one of my teachers at school, back in the late '80's. She sent her TA to put some stuff in the trunk of her car (a light-blue Toyota). Then when she got home, she didn't have the stuff. She asked her TA about it, who insisted she had done it.
A couple of weeks later, the same thing happened again.
Then another teacher approaches my teacher in the faculty lounge, asking if this stuff belongs to her. Sure enough, the mystery was solved... the stuff ended up in the trunk of the second teacher's dark-blue Honda. Not even the same make of car, but the key opened both trunks. (I think they tried the reverse, with the second teacher's key in the first's trunk, but that did not work).
Then there's valet keys, which open the doors and start the car, but won't open the trunk or internal compartments... or those emergency lock-out plastic keys you can get from the auto club, which will open the doors but not start the engine. It's pretty well-documented that car keys are a bit wonky as far as interchangeability, your Camaro experience notwithstanding.
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An impact puch might serve (and I recommend every car carry one in its glove box)
Why? It just takes up space that could be used by more useful items. About six months ago, one of the columnists for Car & Driver Magazine did some testing. He went down to the local junk-yard with the biggest musclehead he could find and they tried breaking windows using one of those gadgets.
The result was, that no matter what, the writer was unable to even crack a window. The musclehead was able to gets some spiderweb cracks - but in order to do so, he had to be standing outside of the car so that he had clearance to swing as hard as he possibly could. Inside the car, neither of them were able to have any useful effect on the glass in the car.
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The original Tesla Coil (made by Tesla) is in the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. Before they were forced to put a Faraday Cage around it, every time they set it off ALL the computers in the area would reboot when they turned it on. And this was for a couple blocks if not more in radius. So, depending on how sensitive those things are, one might be able to do it.
On a side note, WHAT ARE THEY DOING USING MILITARY FREQUENCIES THE DOLTS!?!
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I sell @ a chevy dealer, and this is how GM domesic brands work. All cars come with simple alarms. They go off any time a door is opened by somting other than its primary "key". In cars with keyless entry the key is the "key". if you were to reach through the window and unlock the door the alarm would go off... The car canot be started while the alarm is going off it cuts off the starter... so if a theif broke in and hot wired it it would not start. to turn off the alarm you use your key to start it... it sends a code to the cpu and the cpu engages the starter :-) On cars with keyless it is the same exept the keyless fob is the primary key, the car senses that the the car was locked with keyless then you use a key. it remembers that you used keyless and things that the key is a intrusion. Some GM cars do have a chip... althogh the chip is nothing more than a resister. @ the factory the car learns how many Ohms of resistance. if keys are lost there is a way to repograme the car to the key. if the car is started with out the reister it will run but the fuel pump shuts off after the accelarotr is touched(so they work with carstarters)... btw i know i cant spell :-P
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The best alarms don't make a sound. They give the thief a minute or so to drive off and then cut off the fuel. The idea being that they will be in traffic by then where they are much too high profile to attempt to bypass the alarm.
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On a side-note, there are some alarms that are silent, they just page you when they're getting stolen. I like that. If you get one of these, it means your neighbors won't tow your car when it's set off. :)
A buddy of mine has a 1999 Ford Ranger. There are only 12 different lock cylinders for that year of Rangers. If you have one key for a Ranger, you have a 1/12 chance of opening up and driving away in any other Ranger. The chances arent so astronomical.
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Why? It just takes up space that could be used by more useful items. About six months ago, one of the columnists for Car & Driver Magazine did some testing. He went down to the local junk-yard with the biggest musclehead he could find and they tried breaking windows using one of those gadgets. The result was, that no matter what, the writer was unable to even crack a window. The musclehead was able to gets some spiderweb cracks - but in order to do so, he had to be standing outside of the car so that he had clearance to swing as hard as he possibly could. Inside the car, neither of them were able to have any useful effect on the glass in the car.
I think he's talking about one of these rather than opne of those lame hammer-type tools. I've used punch-type breakers on all kinds of safety glass and they work GREAT. Press, *TINK*, -fwoosh-. The glass crumbles to little bits.
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