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Rapid Internet Growth In Iran

securitas writes "The BBC's Abbas Azimi reports on the rapid growth of the Internet and Internet cafes in Iran, apparently with the tacit approval of the government. Seven million Iranians have Internet access, or 10% of the population - double the rate two years ago. Access costs 60 cents/hour. The article describes how the Internet is used for everything from VoIP phone calls to chat and Web logs. Even Iran's vice-president has a daily blog on a popular site with 'musings about politics and life.' All of this despite the ban on many sites, which is easily circumvented by Iran's webmasters and geeks. An interesting point is that most of the PCs used in Iran are assembled from smuggled parts and run pirated versions of all the latest software (due to foreign embargo?). It sounds like a great opportunity for open source software."

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  1. Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by FisterBelvedere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old saying, "if it aint' broke don't fix it," seems to apply here. With no laws against pirating retail software, what would the advantage be to OSS? I know it wouldn't cost them any more, or less, so why change?

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    FisterBelvedere -- Putting a whole new meaning to "streaks on the china" since 1996.

    1. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by Azure+Khan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps we are placing just a little TOO much faith in the POWER of OSS. I realize that it can heal the sick, feed the hungry, and make politicians honest, but maybe just this once, it's completely irrelevant.

      We should be focusing more on the content then the delivery method. IN countries like Iran, overcoming and undermining the harsh edicts of the mullah is probably slightly more important than what version of SCO-Derivative Unlicensed(TM) *Nix verion they are running. I realize that talking about free software is important and innocuous, but whenever I see things like this pop up arbitrarily, I want to make sure you're not missing the point.

      If the president were found banging a dead 14-year-old hooker in the Vatican, I get the feeling some people here would either blame it on SCO, Microsoft, Bill Gates, the RIAA, or wonder what version of Apache the Vatican is running. (It's 1.3.27, to save you some trouble).

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      --- I'm going sane in a crazy world.
    2. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by hedge_death_shootout · · Score: 5, Informative

      The mere fact that /. is a geek site, with, as a consequence, a huge majority of people that don't understand a thing about politics, and even less to arab politics

      But surely you must know that Iran is not an Arab country?

      Try obtaining the basic facts before you start berating others at great length! X-D

    3. Re:Doesn't Really sound like a great place for OSS by kavehmz · · Score: 5, Informative

      As an Iranian, I must tell you we don't hate westerns, We may become angry when we hear you refer all inventions and science to your self, forgetting for example the medical-science-reburn was based on Avicenna (Abu ali sina, a pure inranain scientist), even the cloth you wear on graduating-celeberation in university and the way you change the position of the rob in the hat you wear in getting diploma is mimick of the way he was used to do when he was able to solve a problem, Or X(variable in algebra), and Algorithm was first used by al-kharazmi one of or mathematicians(Algorithm word is based on his name ), ZAKARIYA RAZI,"As a chemist, he was the first to produce sulfuric acid together with some other acids, and he also prepared alcohol by fermenting sweet products" Or we are using the most accurate calendar in the world based on reburn of the earth(Persian Calendar) So, when we see in your history books that science begun from greek and a gap and then you invented everything again we may become angry, but hatret? noway. Those advanced I mentioned was not based on nothing, we have a very powerfull culture, Persian Culture, that becasue of our current weak-country state it is weakened in many ways, but it is still alive, and it is based on " Good Thoughts Good Words Good Deeds", and we are so much foreign lovers as a characteristics of our nation. You can see that UN title is a peom from sadi (a persian poet) that says: "All people are in the same body, when some part suffers others suffer too, if you don't suffer, you are not a human", we don't hate anyone. And about OSS, it is so weak in Iran yet, the government is not so concerned and people are so used to pirated softwares that is a little hard for OSS-devoted developers to convince them for using OSS softwares, but like everywhere there are some devoted developers here too, We will work and try hard for spreading and helping FLOSS idea here in Iran, because we believe that if anyone in anywhere hurts, we will fill bad too, and the propriety softwares have many aches too be ignored ;), regards,

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      Be like shadow in the light or darkness.KMZ
  2. Wooo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    PCs used in Iran are assembled from smuggled parts and run pirated versions of all the latest software

    Glad to see I'm not the only one.

  3. Taking a note from China? by foidulus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's interesting to see yet another government try to circumvent web sites that don't agree with their particular world view. And even better when the web-sites re-appear under different names. Sounds exactly like the situation in China. I wonder if the Iranian geeks are learning from what happened to the Falun Gong et al. They are obviously realizing that the filters are almost worthless to people who really want to get at the material.
    However, I still think the filters are effective because they have a very powerful psychological effect. If the government says you shouldn't be viewing said material, and if caught(even though it's almost impossible to catch you, but how many people realize the true power of the government) there will be big trouble. Thus I think most banned sites just wind up preaching to the choir, very sad indeed.

  4. For how long? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For how long? The 'rulers' overthere just banned several THOUSAND canidates from the elections because they where too 'progressive'.

    Once the hardliners regain control there is a good chance this trend will reverse itself.

  5. Love in Iran!! by barenaked · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,6532 82,00.html (More Detailed News Article)

    " Meeting girls is easy this way," said Amir, as he continued typing, "You can be relaxed no worries."

    Apparrently Iranians need the love too! Just like Internet access first got booming over here, it seems porn and interent romance will probably be a big thing over there too.

  6. Compare to the increasingly repressive Europe laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just compare this undeniable explosion of freedom to communicate in the "Axis of Evil" to the ever-increasingly repressing law arsenal in Europe: for instance, no sooner than last week, in France, the "LEN" (Law on Digital Economy) makes the provider responsible for the legality of the contents of whatever its customer are communicating over the internet, including web, mail, and so on, and must give information, mails and web logs to the police without the need of a subpoena.
    Time to move to free countries...

  7. Computer Language in Iran by Dukeofshadows · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know a few programmers with ties to Iran. Some of their computer scientists do things with Assembly that few of their peers in the West can match. Given that most of their population is 25 or younger, and that they are having to become so efficient with so few resources, I think that when Iran opens up to the outside world we could see the next India opening up inside of five years.

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    As long as there is a Second Amendment, there will always be a First Amendment.
  8. Linux in Iran and SCO by vinit79 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If every one in Iran started using linux, SCO could stage a come back by suing all Iranians in the Islamic court in Iran

  9. Rapid growth? by dtio · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you google for "internet iran" you'll get pretty much the opposite impresion.

  10. Smuggled is a strong word by shoolz · · Score: 5, Informative

    When you hear the word smuggled, you think that the item smuggled is illegal itself. This is not the case with computer hardware in Iran. If hardware is smuggled into Iran, it is because it is difficult to find, but not because its illegal. A year ago, I sent my Iranian fiance's mom and dad back to Iran with a suitcase that contained a complete desktop computer with Win98 minus the monitor. Upon arrival in Iran, their luggage (just like all luggage, mail and packages entering Iran) was opened and searched, and they were allowed to proceed.

  11. Glad I'm not living there... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny
    Even Iran's vice-president has a daily blog on a popular site with 'musings about politics and life.'

    Here's a little bit I copied from his site:

    22-02-2004: meetings is teh sux0rs
    HEY, sup all??? jus got back from a informasional meating on how were totally kicking the liberals's @$$ in teh polls this year!!!!1 those losers are such morons! to bad the voter turnout was bad! Dude u guys need 2 go out and vote so i can be your leader next year wouldnt that be gr8???
    All so, there was this totally hot reporter there who kept talking 2 me asking questions and $h!t. She was totaly n 2 me and i was gonna get her # but those loser body guards said i had to go to another meeting. gawd, what pr!cks!!!
    anyway, i gotta go sighn sum papers, ttyl.

    (Glad he's not one of the leaders of my country)

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    True story.
  12. linuxiran.org by vinit79 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They even have a site for linux in Iran. linuxiran.org says that " We, at linuxiran.org! are happy that with your help Iran's first site dedicated to GNU/Linux and FLOSS, is the most active GNU/Linux site in Iran today. To find out more about linuxiran.org! and our group or GNU/Linux and FLOSS in general, please read the FAQ.

  13. Pirated Software + Embargo != OSS will grow by yurik · · Score: 5, Insightful



    It sounds like a great opportunity for open source software.

    Speaking from personal experience from the good ol' Russia, I would disagree that open source software will proliferate. Strike it as flamebate, but given the choice of ANY software available for FREE (beer), the software that has the highest number of the most "common" applications will become ubiquitous. This means - everyone will have windows, photoshop, office plus whatever else that has high value, without any regards to price/advertising. Average Joe might not want to invest his time into less polished Linux for desktop, thus M$ is what everyone will have. Apparently, to the average consumer, the value of OSS is not stability or openness, but the word FREE.

    <begin flame here>

  14. Re:Perfect excuse to let people call open source t by darnok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Call open source the software of choice among
    > terrorists. If it takes hold and any terrorists
    > there get caught with it on their machines look
    > for microsoft and the government to start pointing
    > fingers.

    You're not the first to say this, but it's one of the most idiotic arguments I've ever heard. I can't believe either Bush or Microsoft would push this line.

    Have any terrorists been caught with Windows on their PCs? Are the latest breed of "computer terrorists" (aka virus writers) running Windows on their PCs? If the answers are "Yes" and "Yes", don't you think you could construct a counter argument that Windows is actually the terrorists' choice?

    One of the first things the media would do with such an issue is to consult "respected FOSS spokesman (insert any of several names here)". Do you think Microsoft would risk that person pointing the finger of blame back at MS based on the above argument?

    Equating FOSS with terrorism is both absurd and unrealistic.

  15. online dating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Another popular site is an online dating agency set up by a young ayatollah.

    Unforunately all the ads read like this:

    swf. black head scarf. inexperienced at dating. enjoys long walks in the desert. i do not sing. please no public stoning.

  16. Re:give me a break by saforrest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're supposed to be unbreakable, yet those in office are convinced that terrorists are using encryption. So the government has broken it, or are lying.

    Well, they could know these groups are using encryption without actually having broken any particular message. For instance, they might have seized a computer and found a PGP installation on it.

    My guess, though, is that the government angle is all spin. This makes it into the headlines for two reasons.

    First, the government and government contractors are genuinely worried about encryption, because its use really does reduce their ability to eavesdrop. The issue of U.S. encryption policy was a major political issue throughout the 1990s, which reached ridiculous extremes with T-shirts with the RSA algorithm on them which were legally classified as munitions. Legislation is so unenforceable now that it would be hard to make it stronger, but the "threat" of terrorist use provides enough political weight to check any forward movement.

    Secondly, the notion that terrorists are fully versed in all our Western skills, and thus may be able to exploit them to advantage against us, scares people and therefore resonates with them. Scaremonger broadcasters on local news stations live and breathe on this kind of stuff.

    Maybe terrorists are using steg and crypto; maybe they're not. In either case, it's politically desirable for the government to claim they are, and for the media to report it.

  17. Compounding your error by Xoro · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, you've confused shia and sunni.

    Second, Persians speak Parsi/Farsi/Persian, however you want to call it -- not Arabic. Yes, it's been altered by Arab colonizers, but it's still Persian.

    Finally, ask some Persians about where the high culture like art, architecture and poetry of the Arab Empire come from.

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    Kill, Tux, kill!
  18. WHY NOT? by Darioush · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dear People. You should know the following: 1. Iran is not an ARAB country. 2. The fact that who is the leader (mullah or not mullah), doesn't change anything. The computers will always live. 3. Internet will always find its ways to any country. 4. We don't hate the western people, rather they hate us. Example: IT is concidered prohibited by the American government the entry of powerfull encryption technology to Iran, and some other countries, which includes MD5. Therefore, we aren't allowed to d/l Linux (any reasonable distro) from US mirrors. 5. You know, there also exist some geeks, who don't care about politics at all. (Like me). 6. I am very intrested in OSS coming to Iran. It already has, to some extent. Check out: counter.li.org iranlinux.org and, kdefarsi.org . 7. Anyways, Linux and OSS will eventually take control of everywhere, including IRAN. 8. We are not TERRORISTS. We live like other people in the world. What is the point in being a terrorist anyways? How do you dare call us (including me) TERRORISTS? Have I killed you? Or what? 9. Religion has nothing to do with Open Source. Open Source is actually a special type of religion, if you put it that way. 10. May the source be with you. (NOET: Soorry for louzy spelling and grammar) --Regards, Darioush