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SCO Licenses Now Available

wes33 writes "Now available at the SCO website, genuine licenses permitting you to use SCO IP that is 'necessary for you to run Linux'. And they take VISA. Looks like they're saying that any code that is similar to Unix code counts as their Unix code!? Actually, the agreement needs analysis. It looks to me that you're paying for a pig in a poke, but IANAL. Here's some of the meat: '"UNIX-based Code'" shall mean any Code or Method that: (i) in its literal or non-literal expression, structure, format, use, functionality or adaptation (ii) is based on, developed in, derived from or is similar to (iii) any Code contained in or Method devised or developed in (iv) UNIX System V or UnixWare(R), or (v) any modification or derivative work based on or licensed under UNIX System V or UnixWare. ... Provided You pay the applicable license fee and complete the required registration of the COLA, SCO grants You the right to use all, or portions of, the SCO IP only as necessary to use the Operating System on each System for which the appropriate CPUs have been licensed from SCO.'" The linked page says this so-called license applies only to commercial use.

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  1. But... by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do they take Monopoly money?

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    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, they took Microsoft's money.

    2. Re: But... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > Do they take Monopoly money?

      Yep, it was specially designed for pretending to buy pretend property.

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    3. Re:But... by rixstep · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll trade Marvin Gardens and Park Place for all the property in Lindon, Utah.

      Oh - Marvin Garden has two hotels.

    4. Re:But... by The+Snowman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do they take Monopoly money?

      I am trying to get through to their online store, but it looks like that server is slashdotted right now. I wonder what sort of mischief I could do...

      I do plan on stuffing an envelope with Monopoly money and sending it to them. I wonder what kind of response, if any, I would get?

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    5. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Monopoly money??

      He he he. Why, heck no TJ. Them fellers at SCO ain't that stupid. Oh, no. Ya see, them boys is educated.

      Yep. The only thing next to Federal Gov't Green is what we all calls "Conferderate Money". Jeff Davis. Robt. E Lee. You know, them fine Southern Gents that we haven't seen in over 140 years. Why I got a whole mess'a them bills all stacked quiet away-like just fer this kind'a 'mergency.

      Of course I have no reservations on sending the whole lot of it to Darl's kin. Kinda like to keep it in the family, y'know.

      Well, I guess I'm gonna go count me a stack up and get 'em ready to send to 'ol SCO. Yeeeeeep. My license is in the bag (He he he he he he).

      Ya'll be good now, ya hear....

    6. Re:But... by monkeydo · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can't build hotels until you have a monopoly. Before you can break the monopoly you will have to sell all of the houses and hotels on each of the properties. So you can't trade a property with a hotel on it unless you trade all the properties of the same color. Just so you know.

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    7. Re:But... by c1ay · · Score: 3, Funny

      I bought mine at Toys'R'Us with Geoffrey dollars. Seemed OK since it's only a toy license anyhow. If you're not sure you could Darl a call and ask.

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    8. Re:But... by Trejkaz · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was just thinking, wouldn't it be tragic if 100,000 signups occurred but they were all random data filled in by an automated testing bot.

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    9. Re:But... by theRiallatar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, if you do have confederate currency, chances are a collector would be willing to pay some ridiculous amount of money for that. I'd advise against sending it to SCO.

    10. Re:But... by Ryosen · · Score: 4, Funny

      >>I wonder what kind of response, if any, I would get?

      From SCO? Probably not much. From the Treasury Department, on the other hand....

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    11. Re:But... by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Include a cut-up 'Get Out of Jail Free' card also.

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    12. Re:But... by useosx · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...running on Linux...

    13. Re:But... by Trejkaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt it matters what OS the computer is running. A human has to process those orders at some point.

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    14. Re:But... by SmoothTom · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmmmm ... Since SCOsource thinks they own any software that has in any way been in contact with UNIX, would they accept for purchase of a license some pieces of blank paper guaranteed to have been in contact with real money? :^)

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    15. Re:But... by way2trivial · · Score: 5, Funny

      Daryl and Co. would claim them all as legitimite sales, and further evidence of righteousness, and a week later mention there were in fact some 'billing issues,' on those sales..

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    16. Re:But... by Micah · · Score: 4, Informative

      > So you can't trade a property with a hotel on it unless you trade all the properties of the same color.

      No "unless" about it. You can't trade a property with a house or hotel, period. All buildings in the color group must be sold at half price before any property is traded, and the new owner may then buy them at full price (if he has the whole set).

      -- Micah the Monopoly guru (now if he could just find someone else who wants to play it right...)

    17. Re:But... by iphayd · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...sixty-four inch plasma monitor, twenty gigabyte wireless router, fifty SCO licenses, and twenty thousand bucks to complete my robot... my girl robot. This is gunna be the best prom ever. Heh heh heh."

    18. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actaully confederate currency is fairly common, even 140 years later. They printed SHITLOADS of it. I lived just outside little rock for several years, and all the coin dealers there had some for sale cheep. If you live down south, pop into any coin store. They'll have a section of confederate bills. Now confederate COINS on the other hand, are indeed quite scarce, and worth quite a bit. They're scarce largely for the same reason we had steel pennies and silver nickles in ww2, the metals that would have been used for dies and coins was needed for bullets, as were the craftsmen that would have been able to make the dies and presses for the coins.

    19. Re:But... by iainl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Like many a geek, I can highly recommend playing the new Lord Of The Rings Monopoly instead, if time (or indeed an enjoyable evening) is a concern.

      It replaces the '1' on one of the dice with the Eye Of Sauron, and every time it appears on a roll you move the Ring along one property. Once it reaches Mount Doom (previously known as Mayfair), the game ends, and whoever is the richest at that point wins. So far, on four-player games, that is only just about enough time for one player to go bankrupt, so no-one ends up sitting around for 3 hours waiting for the increasingly obvious conclusion, and everyone has fun.

      Its the first 'novelty' Monopoly board that I've actually thought really worth buying to supplement a standard set.

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  2. Uh huh! by Red+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That'll happen. Sometime after the trial, where they prove they have anything worthy of licensing.

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  3. Pricing and Binary only? by vadius · · Score: 5, Informative

    The pricing is $199 for a desktop box, and between $620-$750 per CPU for servers, depending on how many you have. Also, the license says that this is for binaries only (not the source).

    1. Re:Pricing and Binary only? by rholliday · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So if you obtain the source and compile it yourself, are you then required to purchase a license? Or are they saying that you can only legally use the binaries, and that compiling the source is not even supposed to happen?

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    2. Re:Pricing and Binary only? by Liselle · · Score: 4, Funny
      So if you obtain the source and compile it yourself, are you then required to purchase a license? Or are they saying that you can only legally use the binaries, and that compiling the source is not even supposed to happen?
      Silence! That's lawsuit round #2! :P
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    3. Re:Pricing and Binary only? by Haeleth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Replying to myself... bad, I know... but I should probably acknowledge that the above post is incorrect, and its parent is correct: their "Linux license FAQ" does make it clear that their IP license only entitles you to use Linux binaries, not "their" Linux source.

      Since they still refuse to identify what Linux source they "own", it's unclear how you're supposed to stick to that part of the license, or indeed how you're supposed to get Linux binaries in the first place. The whole thing is a bit weird.

    4. Re:Pricing and Binary only? by daviddennis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Correct. You are expressly not authorized to view or modify the Linux source code if you agree to the license. I think this means you can't even compile the kernel to add/remove device drivers.

      When I tried to get through the ordering process, I got:

      Safari can't open the page "http://shop.sco.com/" because it could not connect to the server "shop.sco.com".

      at about the time it would have started getting serious and telling me pricing and other details.

      So I tried again. Got:

      Internal Server Error

      Geez, you'd think an operating system vendor would know how to run, well, an operating system.

      Right?

      Um.

      Right?

      D

    5. Re:Pricing and Binary only? by dubiousmike · · Score: 5, Funny

      I just downloaded a license from Kazza

  4. Also... by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it turns out that they lose the suit but get the license fees from everyone anyways, this could open them up to RICO Act suits (triple damages, court costs included).

    At any rate, this will continue to be interesting to watch.

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    1. Re:Also... by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 5, Funny

      This would almost entice be to buy one of the licences (A much better risk/reward ratio then a share of SCOX). However before I would buy I would have to be ensured that if SCOX went broke that McBrib^des personal retirement account is attachable.

    2. Re:Also... by darnok · · Score: 5, Funny

      > If it turns out that they lose the suit but get
      > the license fees from everyone anyways, this could
      > open them up to RICO Act suits (triple damages,
      > court costs included).

      From where I'm sitting, that looks like a pretty good investment.

      Anyone know if I can buy options on SCO licences? I don't want to buy them now, but I'm happy to invest some loot now to ensure I get the option to buy them at some later date. Now, where's my court calendar...?

    3. Re:Also... by RichMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tripple damages only if you can collect.

      IBM will be a lot higher up the collection chain than you.
      SCO has some funny financing that might see the money pulled back, or into Novell.

      SCO's chance of winning -> negligible
      Your chance of collecting if they lose -> even lower

    4. Re:Also... by JasonStiletto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      don't give them money to prolong this, they'll go broke long before Rico comes into effect, so you wouldn't even get your money back.

    5. Re:Also... by gaijin99 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      However before I would buy I would have to be ensured that if SCOX went broke that McBrib^des personal retirement account is attachable.
      I would be so happy if the personal fortunes of CEOs and board members were subject to penalties in the event of corporate misbehavior. It isn't going to happen any time soon, but it would be absolutely fantastic. Give 'em an incentive to not comit crimes.

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    6. Re:Also... by Mr2cents · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I bet that by the time SCO is convicted the company will be bankrupt and all the money will have magically disappeared. If they aren't already planning this, I would be surprised.

      From the article:
      Many customers are concerned about using Linux since they have become aware of the allegations that Linux is an unauthorized derivative work of the UNIX(R) operating system.

      Why should anyone be concerned about allegations?? Everyone can make allegations! I am more concerned about criminal behaviour of companies!

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  5. Commercial only is expected by JusTyler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The linked page says this so-called license applies only to commercial use.

    I believe SCO said that they were only going to be chasing commercial users of Linux. Okay, they're still crazy, but at least it seems they have a vague sort of 'respect' for the hacking/academic community.. just not the businesses that use Linux.

    That aside.. I can't wait for this all to be over, it's really putting the heebie-jeebies up some of my clients.

    1. Re:Commercial only is expected by Samari711 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i wouldn't say that. they're just going after the people who are the easiest targets to find and who are the most likely to cough up the money.

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    2. Re:Commercial only is expected by flatface · · Score: 3, Funny

      You should get that backspace key fixed, you know. I've heard that SCO UnixWare 7.1.3 solves that...

  6. Whoopie! by stateq2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quick, grab a licence while you still can! They're selling like hotcakes.

  7. With that license... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even microsoft users should be coughing up !!

    1. Re: With that license... by gidds · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're thinking too small. Depending what counts as 'similar to' Unix, even my toaster might need a licence!

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  8. Sure by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll buy one, but I'm going to need to borrow their license to print money, first. Photoshop won't let me scan dollar bills anymore...

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  9. Re:Shazbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Start charging yourself to log in. Congratulations, you're a data processing service bureau. If only you had more than one customer...

  10. Will SCO Provide Indemnification by mlmitton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want to know whether SCO will indemnify Linux-users against the possibility that, once the legal wrangling is done, we do not need to pay them license fees for Linux. Will they refund the money? It would be a good public-relations move for them to do this, even if it would amount to an empty promise: If no one needs to pay SCO for Linux, then SCO will be bankrupt PDQ and there won't be any money to refund.

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    1. Re:Will SCO Provide Indemnification by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is a question I hope the press will be asking.

      Also I wish journalist would ask if SCOX is going to indemnify Unixware (or whatever their product is) customers against IBM claims of patent infrigement.

  11. So lets suppose I buy one. by Hawkxor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What advantages does that bestow on me? Oh, I see, none.
    Why am I better off than I would be without an SCO license? Hmm, that's not explained either.
    So without it I'll be sued or something? Well, apparently not.
    But SCO has legal backing in doing this at least, right? Actually no.

    So...anyone want to take bets on how many people actually buy a license? Probably fewer than the number of people who have bought X-10 minicams from those popup windows.

    1. Re:So lets suppose I buy one. by Kris_J · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's protection money. You pay SCO now and they promise not to throw a brick through your X Windows. Until they decide to hit you up for some more protection money later.

    2. Re:So lets suppose I buy one. by Arker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What advantages does that bestow on me?

      Can't see it giving you any advantages, but it sure does a lot for them. If you buy one, you have a contract with them so they can still sue you after the courts rule they don't own squat.

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    3. Re:So lets suppose I buy one. by PowerBert · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well I keep sending them my address and asking them to invoice me, but they don't return my calls. At this rate I'll never be able to sue them.

      I've given up on the UK OFT as they want to wait for the trial to finish, even though SCO said they would be selling licenses here from February. I despise them almost as much as SCO.

      Hate is a powerful emotion, I must thank SCO for introducing us. I'm grinding my teeth and refraining from writing obscenities right now. ARGGGHHHHH!

    4. Re:So lets suppose I buy one. by lspd · · Score: 4, Funny

      So...anyone want to take bets on how many people actually buy a license? Probably fewer than the number of people who have bought X-10 minicams from those popup windows.

      Do they have an affiliate program? I could definitely see selling licenses in a sort of evidence-eliminator way.

      YOU ARE RUNNING UNLICENSED UNIX CODE
      Penalties for violating the SCO group's copyrights
      are $50,000 per line of infringing code. Our source
      scanner shows you are using 1,102,213 lines of
      proprietary and confidential SCO source code.
      CLICK HERE to purchase a SCO
      binary runtime license. Failure to do so will result
      in $55,110,650,000 of legal liability!
      This offer will not be repeated.

    5. Re:So lets suppose I buy one. by wkitchen · · Score: 4, Interesting
      So...anyone want to take bets on how many people actually buy a license?
      It is the enemies of free sofware who will purchase licenses. They are the only ones with anything to gain by doing so. Not any direct benefit, but indirectly through the fulfillment of their desire to harm the open source community by lending false credibility to SCO.

      So the success of SCO's offer depends mostly on how many of these there are. This offer might just bring the vermin crawling out from the woodwork. Like cockroaches, for every one you see in the open, there may be many more hiding in the crevaces.

      Not everyone who's against free software can afford to contribute millions of dollars to SCO's fud campaign. This gives the little guys a chance.
  12. Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmm... lets see. Only $149.00 for annual license for one CPU, eh? What a bargain! BTW, I sell annual leases to vacant lots on the moon, but due to court proceedings I can't show you proof that I actually own the moon at moment...

    1. Re:Price by Wakkow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well that doesn't seem to stop them...

    2. Re:Price by Mr2cents · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's an in-depth article describing that phenomenon. I never thought of it this way, but indeed it's analogy is striking!

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  13. own? by pixitha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    they dont even "own" unix anyhow..
    Groklaw quote:
    "This is one of the fundamentally misleading positions SCO has adopted. "UNIX" is not an operating system but rather a brand of operating systems. The brand, "UNIX" is the intellectual property of the Open Group who owns the relevant trademark and certifies systems as being compliant to its UNIX specifications. The Open Group is an international vendor and technology-neutral consortium. IBM is a sponsor of the Open Group while SCO is a member."

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  14. Predicament by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO is also sympathetic to the end-user's predicament

    in other words, "SCO is also sympathetic to the end-user predicament created by SCO".

    I beat my dog every day but I really feel for the poor thing too. Right. Who are they kidding?

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  15. Misleading by maliabu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    on the website it says they're offering a license that cures the IP infringement in Linux. So can they be sued for misleading in a product once the infringement is proven imaginative? similar to the guy who sued spammer for false claim in penis enlargement pills.

    however, i believe another interesting question is, if they are sued for misleading, how much can you still get out of SCO after it's being savaged by IBM....

    1. Re:Misleading by netsharc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On another point, shouldn't this be the time the kernel hackers (or their lawyers) start suing SCO, because SCO is claiming -- without evidence -- that they own (parts of) the kernel?

      I'm sorry for Linus, he's said he doesn't want to get involved with the scum.

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  16. windows any one? by jackb_guppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It looks like they are trying to get Windows added to the list... POSIX compliance.

    That will sure increase the war chest!

    1. Re:windows any one? by yamla · · Score: 3, Informative

      They have long claimed that Windows was not immune from their claims. In fact, they continued to state this even after Microsoft invested money in them.

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  17. Lightbubls by CeleronXL · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many SCO executivess does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    Five
    1 to claim ownship of the IP
    1 to file suit against bulb manufacturers
    1 to threaten bulb endusers
    1 to send off asking how to use a bulb ...and 1 to fumble and drop it.</pathetic attempt at Funny rating>

    1. Re:Lightbubls by nathanh · · Score: 4, Funny
      How many SCO executivess does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

      Zero. The SCO executives simply wait for a Linux developer to screw in a lightbulb, then SCO claims ownership of the house.

  18. Disclaiming of 'misrepresentation' by sanermind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I note that in the limitation of liability, they disclaim 'misrepresentation'?

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  19. I'll hold off... by Halo- · · Score: 4, Funny

    Until I can buy them at ThinkGeek I'm not gonna waste my money. :)

  20. Did somebody say hotcakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But are they edible?

    1. Re:Did somebody say hotcakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they're full of shit.

  21. We're quite safe then by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    End users who purchase this license are granted the right to use the SCO IP in Linux in binary format only.

    Oh okay then, that's fine, I use the stock Linux kernel as-is. I never need any SCO IP in binary format in it.

    Unless you count the output of /dev/null as SCO's...

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  22. Hello? by Tremanhil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Okay, what happened to the whole AT&T Memo which clarified that AT&T didn't own or have any claim to derivative works... I've not seen anything in the press about it blowing SCO's case out of the water since it was released on Groklaw...

    Their claims are A. Unsubstantiated, and B. Even if they were substantiated they have no claim to the derivative works that IBM contributed.

    The fact that they continue to pursue licensing where currently their legal standing has not been established is insane.

    I hope IBM, and Redhat intend to countersue the executives and board of SCO, and the Canopy group for the FUD they have been spreading once this case is closed in favor of IBM.

    1. Re:Hello? by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They have working on two fronts. The legal front and the handwaving PR front. I have always though the legal front was the only one anyone should be concerned with, as it is the only thing that could result in a ruling that might hurt Linux. It is also becoming clearer that SCO has a very weak legal case, which means that there is probably little to worry about.

      OTOH, many articles, like the present, concentrate on the PR front. This is where SCO makes claims, such as we 0wn Linux simply because we wish we did and we want out wishes reality, and then back this unique view of reality with threats, websites, and sound bytes. It is sad because we are not in 2000 and the dotcom boom is over.

      So yes, the ATT letter does seem to make the case against IBM moot, which is why they changed their case against IBM. OTOH, nothing short of bankruptcy and fraud lawsuits will change their opinion that SCO deserves money from anyone who run Linux because Linux just stole everything from Unix. It's too bad that argument did not work for Apple. I suppose we would not have to deal with monstrous MS plague. Or perhaps we should be glad that the argument did work for IBM, otherwise we would still be paying $5000 for a basic Intel machine. Of course that might mean the Mac, and even solaris and alpha machines, would be extremely competitive.

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    2. Re:Hello? by Billnvd65 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (sorry for the bad formatting on the first post) "Their claims are A. Unsubstantiated, and B. Even if they were substantiated they have no claim to the derivative works that IBM contributed.

      The fact that they continue to pursue licensing where currently their legal standing has not been established is insane."

      According to the SCO FAQ: "How can SCO expect me to purchase a license when its case with IBM hasn't been resolved yet? What if SCO loses its case against IBM? Will it reimburse Linux customers who purchased a SCO IP License?

      Some Linux users have the misunderstanding that the SCO IP License hinges on the outcome of the SCO vs. IBM case. If that case were completely removed, Linux end users would still need to purchase a license from SCO to use the SCO IP found in Linux. The IBM case surrounds misuse of derivative works of SCO UNIX. It does not change the fact that line-by-line SCO IP code is found in Linux. The copied code includes copyrighted headers and other proprietary UNIX source code."

      There are also other choice Q&A's in the FAQ. Mostly stating that Linux does indeed have stolen code. Read their IP FAQ. It pissed me off just skimming it. What a crock of BS!

      Seems to me that regardless of the outcome of the IBM/Novell issues/cases, they are going to keep making the accusations that there is still SCO code in the linux kernel and it's sub-systems.

      Maybe it's just me, but it sure seems like not only do they need to lose their IBM case, but they also need to be court ordered to drop these claims.

  23. What if? by Vaystrem · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... you buy the license, and then a court decides that SCO's license is not required for the operation of Linux, could you then sue SCO for fraud?

  24. Going....Going...... by shoemakc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Getting slower.....slower......slower....stopping...

    Hmmm, you know....this is one of those sites I just really don't mind slashdotting.

    -Chris

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  25. Potential ramifications? by Shoten · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know a good bit of law, but this is out of my range. It does sound to me that there's a very high chance that (even if their claims are correct) they're accepting money to license something that isn't theirs to license, provided there's just one UNIX System V-like option out there that doesn't include any of their code. Is this not a criminal act, or at the very least an actionable one?

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  26. As I've said before... by quandrum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Licensing linux code from SCO invalidates the GPL on the rest of the kernel code. The licenses are not compatible. You will never get hundreds of kernel developers to re-license the code for your use. If you really think you need to buy this, give up. Install FreeBSD.

    1. Re:As I've said before... by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 4, Informative


      Licensing linux code from SCO invalidates the GPL on the rest of the kernel code. The licenses are not compatible. You will never get hundreds of kernel developers to re-license the code for your use. If you really think you need to buy this, give up. Install FreeBSD.

      AFAIK, the GPL doesn't prevent you from *using* a program that infringes on patents or copyrights, it only prevents you from distributing said code. So your license to use the code cannot be revoked just because you stupidly decided to take out a license from SCO.

      -a

  27. Re:How is this legal? by Magila · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok disregard this post, two seconds after hitting submit I realized that not only am I not a lawyer but also an idiot.

  28. New Business Model by Galileo430 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really think this is a clever new business model. Charge people for using another company / group's product.

    Hey Windows users, you owe me $99.95 a year for those "Icon" things I invented last year.

  29. Cola by ixplodestuff8 · · Score: 5, Funny

    IMPORTANT, READ CAREFULLY ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS lICENSE AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT") WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AND IS INCLUDED WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF LICENSE AUTHENTICITY ("COLA").

    Hello, I am the CEO of Coca-Cola, SCO please pay use $699 for use of the word "COLA", thank you.

  30. The EULA by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 5, Informative

    THE SCO GROUP, INC.

    INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LICENSE

    IMPORTANT, READ CAREFULLY ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT") WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AND IS INCLUDED WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF LICENSE AUTHENTICITY ("COLA"). BY EXERCISING YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THIS LICENSE, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ THIS AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTAND IT, AND YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, DO NOT USE THE RIGHTS GRANTED HEREUNDER IN ANY MANNER.

    YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT SCO MAKES NO GRANT OF RIGHTS OR WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WITH RESPECT TO ANY SOFTWARE OTHER THAN THE SCO INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY DEFINED BY THIS AGREEMENT.

    This Agreement does not include any rights to access, use, modify or distribute any SCO source code in any form under any licensing arrangement.

    DEFINITIONS

    "Agreement" is the contract between you ("You") and The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO"), relating to the rights acquired by You. The Agreement comprises (i) this document, (ii) any amendments agreed by both You and SCO in writing and (iii) any additional terms and conditions included in the COLA. Such additional terms may pertain, without limitation, to the following: term, fees and payment, number of permitted CPUs, registration requirements, restriction on runtime environment and transfer of Your rights.

    "Code" shall mean computer programming instructions.

    "CPU " shall mean a single physical computer processor.

    "Desktop System" means a single user computer workstation controlled by a single instance of the Operating System. It may provide personal productivity applications, web browsers and other client interfaces (e.g., mail, calendering, instant messaging, etc). It may not host services for clients on other systems.

    "Method" shall mean the human or machine methodology for, or approach to, design, structure, modification, upgrade, de-bugging, tuning, improvement, or adaptation of Code.

    "Object Code" shall mean the Code that results when Source Code is processed by a software compiler and is directly executable by a computer.

    "Operating System" shall mean software operating system Code (or Code that substantially performs the functions of an operating system) that is a distribution, rebranding, modification or derivative work of the Linux(R) operating system.

    "SCO IP" shall mean the SCO intellectual property included in its UNIX-based Code in Object Code format licensed by SCO under SCO's standard commercial license.

    "Software" shall mean the Operating System in Object Code format.

    "Source Code" shall mean the human-readable form of the Code and related system documentation, including all comments and any procedural language.

    "System" shall mean a computer system, containing the licensed CPUs, controlled by a single instance of the Operating System.

    "UNIX-based Code" shall mean any Code or Method that: (i) in its literal or non-literal expression, structure, format, use, functionality or adaptation (ii) is based on, developed in, derived from or is similar to (iii) any Code contained in or Method devised or developed in (iv) UNIX System V or UnixWare(R), or (v) any modification or derivative work based on or licensed under UNIX System V or UnixWare.

    "Update" shall mean the updates or revisions in Object Code format of the Software that You may receive. Update shall not include any alteration, modification or derivative work of the Operating System prepared by You.

    GRANT OF RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS

    Provided You comply fully with this Grant of Rights and Obligations, SCO will not consider such use of the SCO IP licensed by You under this Agreement to be in violation of SCO's intellectual property ownership or rights.

    SCO grants You and You accept from SCO, the following limited, non-exclusive rights. This Agreement does not grant a right to receive any distribution of software from SCO or any other thir

    1. Re:The EULA by somneo · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Desktop System" means a single user computer workstation controlled by a single instance of the Operating System. It may provide personal productivity applications, web browsers and other client interfaces (e.g., mail, calendering, instant messaging, etc). It may not host services for clients on other systems.

      Running sshd or Samba makes your computer a server. Between those two applications, I'd say that nearly no one qualifies for the "Desktop" license. How is SCO planning to enforce that, anyway? Does each license come with a free portscan?
  31. The ultimate over-reaching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The boldface shows one option that I picked from their menus:
    any Code or Method that: (i) in its literal or non-literal expression, structure, format, use, functionality or adaptation (ii) is based on, developed in, derived from or is similar to (iii) any Code contained in or Method devised or developed in (iv) UNIX System V

    Therefore, SCO is talking about "any code that in its functionality is similar to any Code contained in UNIX System V".

    Is there any software in the world that doesn't have a major component fitting this description?

  32. Wasn't this earlier today? by mehaiku · · Score: 5, Funny


    Darl has but one innovation
    Ill conceived litigation
    It's a shame he can't find
    Work made for his kind
    But who'd pay him for masturbation?

  33. I love this part by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the SCO website IP license FAQ:

    Hasn't SCO already indicated that it's okay for its code to be distributed by distributing this code itself that is now in question? Haven't they essentially GPLed their code?

    During the period that SCO distributed Linux (2001 to 2003), SCO was unaware of the copyright violations. Once it became aware of the alleged infringements, it ceased all distributions of Linux to new customers. Copyrights cannot be given up by unintentional or illegal inclusion in a GPL product. The owner of the copyrights must transfer the copyrights in writing or some other affirmation, which SCO has never done. U.S. Copyright law also protects copyright holders from illegitimate contribution by also requiring express permission, which again, SCO has never granted. U.S. Copyright law states: "A transfer of copyright ownership, other than by operation of law, is not valid unless an instrument of conveyance, or a note or memorandum of the transfer, is in writing and signed by the owner of the rights conveyed or such owner's duly authorized agent." U.S.C. 204.

    Further, Section 0. of the GPL states the following: "0. This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License."

    SCO has obviously never placed a notice indicating that our UNIX source code or derivative works can be distributed under the terms of the GPL license. Distributing the code is very different from contributing the code. SCO has never accidentally or knowingly contributed the code.

    And they still continue to distribute Linux after they discovered it infringing. I love all the contradictions.

  34. Hehe by cca93014 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like we took their shop website down.

    That's their shop website.

    Did you get that? Their shop website.

    All those links are different btw. Really. Just like this shop website. They all need clicking on.

  35. Did anyone read the EULA? by Spruce+Moose · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The EULA seems to craftily say you can use 'SCO IP' without actually saying whether there is any SCO IP in the kernel or exactly what it is. From the EULA:
    "SCO IP" shall mean the SCO intellectual property included in its UNIX-based Code in Object Code format licensed by SCO under SCO's standard commercial license.
    and a bit further down:
    "UNIX-based Code" shall mean any Code or Method that: (i) in its literal or non-literal expression, structure, format, use, functionality or adaptation (ii) is based on, developed in, derived from or is similar to (iii) any Code contained in or Method devised or developed in (iv) UNIX System V or UnixWare(R), or (v) any modification or derivative work based on or licensed under UNIX System V or UnixWare.
    finally:
    Provided You comply fully with this Grant of Rights and Obligations, SCO will not consider such use of the SCO IP licensed by You under this Agreement to be in violation of SCO's intellectual property ownership or rights.
    Nice one!
  36. Re:What is wrong with the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Every country OTHER then the US has prevented SCO from persuing this trash licensing [theft]..."

    And by "Every country other then the US", you must mean "Germany and Australia", because they're the only ones who have enjoined SCO from trying to sell licenses.

  37. Probably not by Arker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sort of comes under caveat emptor. If you're stupid enough to buy this thing, you deserve it.

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  38. When compiler are outlawed... by rnturn · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... only outlaws will have compilers.

    ``... Law enforcement officials refused to say anything other than that the suspect's home computers were seized and later found to contain illegal copies of several versions of gcc. The Chief of Police had no comment on the widespread rumors that printouts of errno.h were found in the suspects home while police executed the search warrent. The President, commenting on the arrest following today's Rose Garden ceremony in which he signed into law a bill extending copyright protection to `forever and a day', said: `America is a safer place today as a result of the actions of these brave police officers. We should be proud.'''

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    1. Re:When compiler are outlawed... by rholliday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Showdown at the GCC Corral. Sheriff Torvalds and his old buddy Doc Stroustrup up against the nasty SCO Gang ... and the SCO gang don't never play fair ... :)

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    2. Re:When compiler are outlawed... by jelle · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder how the duke boys are getting out of this one!

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    3. Re:When compiler are outlawed... by Geek+of+Tech · · Score: 4, Funny
      >> Showdown at the GCC Corral. Sheriff Torvalds and his old buddy Doc Stroustrup up against the nasty SCO Gang ... and the SCO gang don't never play fair ... :)

      But that really doesn't matter since SCO only manages to shoot themselves in the foot most of the time.

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  39. IBM is going "Damn, why didn't we think of this!" by El · · Score: 4, Funny

    IBM could have just demanded that everybody running Windows 3.0 obtain a license from IBM, because it is obviously a derivative of OS/2!!! It was that easy, and those morons at IBM didn't even think of it! What the hell were they thinking, they gave up the OS/2 market to Microsoft, and all they had to do was just sue Microsoft and every one of it's customers!

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  40. I'm sure I speak for everyone here... by GypC · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... when I say, "The fine people at SCO can line up to take turns kissing my ass."

  41. OUCH! by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Funny
    7. If SCO currently ships Samba and Apache in its own products, how can it justify this if it believes that the GPL is invalid and unenforceable?

    While SCO believes that the GPL is a poorly written and unenforceable license, SCO is not aware of any intellectual property violations regarding Samba and Apache. However, should any arise, SCO would take all efforts necessary by removing the offending products or obtain the appropriate IP licenses.

    Next up, RMS in custody; charged with battery after finding the SCO marketroid who was spouting GPL blasphemies. SCO martketroid expected to survive after 6 hours of surgery to remove a stamped steel printout of the GPL from the rectum. May have issues sitting down later in life.

  42. VISA? by MoFoQ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    thought VISA and MC don't do fraudulent transactions or transactions that have a high tendency of being fraudulent (like alot of p0rn subscriptions). I know it was on the news a few years ago; that VISA/MC got tired of the high number of reversed charges with p0rn that they were going to stop. Sort of a pre-emptive measure, and since it's only a matter of time until SCO gets knocked down to below Enron's level of bankrupcy after they lose the IP plagerism battle, it would be in VISA and MC's best interest to just say no.

    At least, this will make it more interesting. It's better than the reality shows on TV.

  43. Linus and the kernel hackers? by theolein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since SCO is now openly trying to extort (or claim, depending on your pov) money from end users, be they commercial or not for an operating system which they did not write, doesn't this allow Linus and everbody else who contributed to sue SCO for abusing copyright that they do not own?

    I know Linus is everybody's teddybear, but wouldn't this finally be an excellent opportunity for him to get an injunction at the very least?

  44. My response to SCO... by hankaholic · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ... via their web feedback form:

    As the head of a department which uses a large farm of Linux machines, I find myself concerned with the legal issues surrounding the use of Linux in a commercial environment.

    I have two questions regarding the purchase of SCO IP licenses.

    First, I have read in several trade publications that purchasing SCO licenses will protect me against legal action by SCO. What legal action could SCO bring against me as an end-user of Linux?

    Second, will SCO indemnify me against the possibility that it is determined in a court of law that SCO IP was not misappropriated? My technical staff is of the opinion that there is no reason to purchase such licenses, but the promise of a refund if a court of law determines that SCO's claims are invalid would certainly help to justify the expense.
    Here's to hoping for a response. I'll post anything I hear back ;)
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    1. Re:My response to SCO... by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 3, Funny
      Thank you for jumping to the head of the queue. It's difficult to know who to rake over the coals without people providing their name like you have.

      We don't have to be right in order to tie you up in court, you know. And we have very little to lose right now.

      ~Darl

  45. Do they accept bartering? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would be willing to make a trade of equal value. They can send me a license and I'll send them my next bowel movement.

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  46. OMFG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read the FAQ on that site...just a taste of the garbage in it:

    #

    How can SCO expect me to purchase a license when its case with IBM hasn't been resolved yet? What if SCO loses its case against IBM? Will it reimburse Linux customers who purchased a SCO IP License?

    Some Linux users have the misunderstanding that the SCO IP License hinges on the outcome of the SCO vs. IBM case. If that case were completely removed, Linux end users would still need to purchase a license from SCO to use the SCO IP found in Linux. The IBM case surrounds misuse of derivative works of SCO UNIX. It does not change the fact that line-by-line SCO IP code is found in Linux. The copied code includes copyrighted headers and other proprietary UNIX source code.

  47. Anything resembling System V includes lots of code by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you're reading this, you have to buy a license, since you're using some implementation of sockets. The standard sockets API should be in System V (correct me if I'm wrong).

    Many, many standard C libraries, for that matter, are in System V. This would make Windows and Mac OS also infringing, if indeed SCO holds this much control.

    Has Apple ever said anything about SCO and its possible complaints over Mac OS X's tri-BSD foundation? Has Microsoft offered indemnification for its users, since there is a lot of POSIX, and thus Unix, compatibility in Windows?

    What of #ifndef thisfile_h #define thisfile_h ... #endif code in headers that everyone uses? What of code in Unix copied from/inspired by other sources?

  48. don't tell me that this scenario might come true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    from another thread on canadian privacy laws

    What if 20 years from now an activity that you consider perfectly acceptable like say, knowing how to program becomes unacceptable by the general community.

    Want an example? Think about it: If you can program in C, you can write viruses! that's scary for the non-programmers out there that think that software is a "product" that magically appears shrinkwrapped at the store.

    It starts when you first have to register all your compilers. Then you have a crackdown against free unregistered compilers and "Kitchen table linux dealers". 60 minutes runs a special about how computer shows allow unknown people to aquire software - including unregistered compilers (a compiler being an incredibily powerful piece of software that allows you to create any other piece of software... Including VIRUSES).

    Mandataory "Compiler licences" are required by the government where the person applying for one has to submit three photos, a blood sample, a retinal image and fingerprints. At least two of these are checked by biometric scanning every time the compiler is invoked (following the tradition of "smart guns" or "safe firearms").

    The compiler must be stored on an EPROM in a dedicated piece of hardware and the source brought to it on some kind of storage media. The output is removed on another storage media to prevent people hacking in and compiling software from their terminals. The compiler's hardware must be kept in a safe that weighs at least 150kg or is bolted to the floor. The sourcecode must be kept in a DIFFERENT safe, located in another part of the building. The compiler must be always carried turned off, in plain view, and without any source loaded, unless you have a "concealed compiler licence."

    If you are convicted of a crime you can kiss you compiler licence goodbye. Finally people pull out old copies of neuromancer and comment on how much these firmware compilers look like that chinese virus that Case used. Regular folks would never need such powerfull pieces of software. "Assault compilers" would be banned.

    Next revisionist historians will be saying: "In the pioneering days of the internet, widespread compiler ownership was a myth. The majority of internet users did not own a compiler, much less know how to read the source..." :)

    Combined with "In the wild parts of the IT world, a compiler was a simple way to put food on the table of your family. Now that software is intensively farmed in third world countries we have no use for heavy duty compilers in first world, urban areas."

    We're left writing everything in interpreted languages with all our arrays limited to 10 objects.

    Eventually, only big corporations, the military and the police can afford the Class III licences required to own a compiler.

    If you weren't a professional programmer, you'd wish that people hadn't poked around your life.

    Your open secret has condemned you but you grit your teeth and type `gcc -Wall frommycolddeadharddrive.c`

    You see, humans are at the heart of it NASTY. we can play with ideas all we want but you have to take into account the fact that we will not always do things in a way that minimises suffering for others.

  49. And here's my response... by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Funny
  50. What about SCO's own software? by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems that SCO makes no distinction betweeen unix software made by them and by other companies.

    I have a copy of Sco OpenServer which I paid for, and legally own. (And, yes, I still use it in a production enviornment... it hasn't failed me in over 10 years)

    According to the license, it looks like even I need to buy one of these licenses, even though I'm running SCO's own software.

    Or am I missing something?

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  51. STOP - DON'T CLICK-THROUGH TO SCO!!! by GerryGilmore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget what PR-savvy jerks they are! We Slashdot them and they send out a PR blurb that says "We got 98 Jigga-hits on our license site indicating tremendous customer interest..blah, blah, blah, etc."

    They're *shits* - they'll twist everything good in the world - even a Slashdoting!

  52. This is like.. by jason.mitchell · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is like coke-a-cola suing pepsi drinkers because they are drinking something that tastes like their product.

    1. Re:This is like.. by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Funny

      More like Lipton Tea trying to suppress "The History and Culture of Asia" with litigation, and equally likely to succeed.

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  53. SCO Seems To Be Blocking Requests To It by MuParadigm · · Score: 4, Interesting


    SCO must have a) shut off the web server service, or b) blocked out port 80, or c) pulled the web page.

    The server is up, but you can't access the web page. Pinging it returns the IP address and responses are relatively quick:

    Pinging shop.sco.com [216.250.128.240] with 32 bytes of data:

    Reply from 216.250.128.240: bytes=32 time=88ms TTL=236
    Reply from 216.250.128.240: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=236
    Reply from 216.250.128.240: bytes=32 time=77ms TTL=236
    Reply from 216.250.128.240: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=236

    Ping statistics for 216.250.128.240:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
    Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 77ms, Maximum = 88ms, Average = 80ms

    1. Re:SCO Seems To Be Blocking Requests To It by Molina+the+Bofh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep. It's down as of now. Boo-hoo. I wanna buy these licenses. I ran out of toilet paper.

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    2. Re:SCO Seems To Be Blocking Requests To It by Merry_B.Buck · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe they took it down because it was running on an unlicensed OS.

    3. Re:SCO Seems To Be Blocking Requests To It by DebianRcksLindowsLie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WHY would they do that? Wanting to claim they got DDOSed again? Darl needs to be prosecuted for fraud.

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    4. Re:SCO Seems To Be Blocking Requests To It by mcbridematt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If they really hate Linux, why don't they run UnixWare on their domain?

      (note: see disclaimer in sig :) )

  54. No need for actual SCO IP by Bystander · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SCO has cleverly designed a license which requires no proof of SCO IP in Linux. They are asking licensees to pay money for the right to not be sued by SCO for SCO IP that "is in" Linux. Whether any SCO IP actually exists is irrelevant since the license is nonspecific on the amount and type of SCO IP it covers. Even if eventually no SCO IP is found in Linux, it could be argued that licensees made their own judgements on why they needed to purchase a license despite knowing there was a possibility that the quantity of SCO IP to be found in Linux was actually zero. The only thing SCO technically has to deliver under the contract is to not sue its licensees.

    There is nothing but profit for SCO from any corporations that purchase licenses since there is nothing that they have to deliver, and they have protected themselves by making no specific claims about IP they actually own. By agreeing to the license terms, you explicitly hold SCO harmless for any of their actions. It's easy money if anyone falls for the scheme.

  55. old Unix sources released under BSDlicense in 2002 by wotevah · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.linuxarkivet.nu/mlists/openbsd-announce /02/msg00001.html

    > From: Dion Johnson <dionj@caldera.com>
    > To: wht@minnie.tuhs.org
    > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:03:37 -0800
    > Subject: Liberal license for ancient UNIX sources
    > Dear Warren, and friends,
    >
    > I'm happy to let you know that Caldera International has placed
    > the ancient UNIX releases (V1-7 and 32V) under a "BSD-style" license.
    > I've attached a PDF of the license letter hereto.

    Feels like it happened such a long time ago...

  56. Where do I sign up? by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was just thinking, wouldn't it be tragic if 100,000 signups occurred but they were all random data filled in by an automated testing bot.

    Where do I sign up? The host shop.sco.com (linked from How to purchase and activate a SCO IP License website) is up and running, but with port 80 closed! What is going on? See:

    pth@sd:~$ nmap -vp80 shop.sco.com

    Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA31 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
    No tcp,udp, or ICMP scantype specified, assuming vanilla tcp connect() scan. Use -sP if you really don't want to portscan (and just want to see what hosts are up).
    Warning: You are not root -- using TCP pingscan rather than ICMP
    Host shop.sco.com (216.250.128.240) appears to be up ... good.
    Initiating Connect() Scan against shop.sco.com (216.250.128.240)
    The Connect() Scan took 0 seconds to scan 1 ports.
    The 1 scanned port on shop.sco.com (216.250.128.240) is: closed

    Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2 seconds
    pth@sd:~$

    Is that another desperate PR stunt? I would like to buy a license, to sue them in the future for selling it to me. My lawyer adviced me that it would be a better investment than SCO stock, especially in the case of class action lawsuit. Does anyone has any comments about their EULA? Is it legally binding? If so, then would it be enforceable? And the most important question: Where do I sign up? Thanks.

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    1. Re:Where do I sign up? by PacoTaco · · Score: 5, Funny
      Where do I sign up?

      You just did. They're going to use nmap on you, discover that you're running Linux, get your name and street address from your ISP and then send you a bill in the mail.

  57. I run Linux... by The+Fink · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ... I do so commercially, insofar as I have and will this year make money indirectly through my use of Linux...
    ... and I have no intent whatsoever of paying a cent to SCO for these licenses.
    For a start, they can take their complaint up with my vendor, with whom I have a commercial agreement (yes, I'm one of those people who actually bought support. Call me crazy.).

    No big deal, here, so far. I'm sure anyone with common sense feels the same way about SCO's ramblings, and as such there's nothing "special" about my statement.

    However, I, for one, welcome any invoice(s) SCO might send me (after deobfuscating my email address, of course). Threats of legal action, if they deem it necessary, are fine, not that they'd do that, now, would they?

    I expect exactly as much response from me posting this email address here as I managed to get from them when I asked them what the story was with licensing in AU -- in the context of the Australian Trade Practices Act; absolutely none. Even if SCO were technically clued enough to browse Slashdot, they haven't the balls to actually, you know, try their claims on here in Australia. For a start, I'm sure they know how our competition watchdog feels about misrepresentation -- or, indeed, "accidental" misrepresentation...

    Come on, SCO, I'd love to be able to fax a copy of any invoice to the ACCC. They'd love to hear from me, too, I'm sure.

  58. Just use BSD... by OneFix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't they understand that they will only drive corporations to BSD??? I mean, ever since the whole BSD vs. AT&T thing back in the early 90's, BSD is in the clear...

    Not that I'm going to switch any of my Linux boxes to BSD (I actually have some machines with BSD too), so even if SCO won the case (severly unlikely), users would simply begin the switch to BSD or another OSS kernel, and with it, development of software...

    1. Re:Just use BSD... by Pecisk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, it won't, because SCO claimed that BSD is tainted too.

      Don't worry, borther in BSD, SCO is just our common enemy :)

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  59. It's worse than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    They don't actually mention Linux except by reference to "Operating System". This licence is not offering anything. It's only a "licence" to not be sued. So! Their only product really is barratry, after all.

    THE SCO GROUP, INC.

    INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LICENSE

    IMPORTANT, READ CAREFULLY ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT") WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AND IS INCLUDED WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF LICENSE AUTHENTICITY ("COLA"). BY EXERCISING YOUR RIGHTS UNDER THIS LICENSE, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ THIS AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTAND IT, AND YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, DO NOT USE THE RIGHTS GRANTED HEREUNDER IN ANY MANNER.

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    DEFINITIONS

    "Agreement" is the contract between you ("You") and The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO"), relating to the rights acquired by You. The Agreement comprises (i) this document, (ii) any amendments agreed by both You and SCO in writing and (iii) any additional terms and conditions included in the COLA. Such additional terms may pertain, without limitation, to the following: term, fees and payment, number of permitted CPUs, registration requirements, restriction on runtime environment and transfer of Your rights.

    "Code" shall mean computer programming instructions.

    "CPU " shall mean a single physical computer processor.

    "Desktop System" means a single user computer workstation controlled by a single instance of the Operating System. It may provide personal productivity applications, web browsers and other client interfaces (e.g., mail, calendering, instant messaging, etc). It may not host services for clients on other systems.

    "Method" shall mean the human or machine methodology for, or approach to, design, structure, modification, upgrade, de-bugging, tuning, improvement, or adaptation of Code.

    "Object Code" shall mean the Code that results when Source Code is processed by a software compiler and is directly executable by a computer.

    "Operating System" shall mean software operating system Code (or Code that substantially performs the functions of an operating system) that is a distribution, rebranding, modification or derivative work of the Linux(R) operating system.

    "SCO IP" shall mean the SCO intellectual property included in its UNIX-based Code in Object Code format licensed by SCO under SCO's standard commercial license.

    "Software" shall mean the Operating System in Object Code format.

    "Source Code" shall mean the human-readable form of the Code and related system documentation, including all comments and any procedural language.

    "System" shall mean a computer system, containing the licensed CPUs, controlled by a single instance of the Operating System.

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    1. Re:It's worse than that... by Lacutis · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm giving up my moderation points in this thread to post this, but did anyone else notice this line:


      It may not host services for clients on other systems.


      Technically, if you buy this license, SCO will know exactly who you are, and once they find you running your machine with an open web or ftp port they can sue you for breach of contract.

      Now, IANAL, but that's exactly how that sounds to me, and I wouldn't put it past SCO to issue a license that the other side immediately breaches.
  60. UK people.... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 3, Informative

    What are you waiting for? Complain!

    I just made my complain, the details of SCO in the UK are the following:

    Trader's Name
    SCO

    Trader's Address:
    Titan Court
    3 Bishop Square
    Hatfield Business Park
    Hatfield

    Trader's Phone No
    01707 226014

    Trader's Fax No
    01707 226190

    I verified the phone number and it is current.

    Remember, this company is trying to charge you for something whose owenrship is dubious to say the least. I equalled it with somebody tryng to sell you the right to "Lord of the Rings" without showing he actually has the legal rights to do so.

    Complain! It takes 5 minutes and could help (for once let the goverment do something useful).

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.