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Australian Tax Office Adopts Open Source Software

James Roberts writes "AustralianIT is reporting today that the Australian Tax Office, or ATO (Australian IRS equivalent) has ditched its standard Microsoft SOE and will now adopt the Linux operating system 'where appropriate.' It was reported late last year that the ATO was originally considering Longhorn as its preferred SOE. This is a big step for Australian Federal Government, who have been slow in the uptake of open source policies despite ongoing petitioning by several high profile pressure groups."

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  1. Re:SOE what? by Duc+de+Montebello · · Score: 5, Informative
    Standard Operating Environment

    another stupid TLA, meaning a PC running windows...

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  2. Re:SOE what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    SOE - Standard Operating Environment

  3. Pretty Misleading Slashdot Blurb by vistas · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article did not say they were going to switch from Microsoft to Linux. The gist of it is that they will no longer dismiss open-source solutions out of hand, but will at least give it some consideration.

  4. Probably due to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    the hiring of Bill Gibson as CIO, and his review of all things IT in the ATO.

    As a contractor on the ATO account, I for one, welcome our new open-source weilding overlords!

    Mind you, Bill did pull a huge tender recently, so maybe this won't make it through the next month without being reversed.

  5. Re:SOE what? by Kaotiq · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not Necessarily meaning a PC running windoze, its more general than that, even though thats probably the most common one.

    I've seen SOE applied to other boxen, including in one case Solaris 8 with a particular set of patches.

    Its just a way of saying "This is our standard box".

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  6. Re:Why start in the tax office? by RedPhoenix · · Score: 5, Informative

    We have..

    * Department of Veterans Affairs: Ditched a bunch of NT4 file servers for a big samba box running on an existing s390 machine.
    * Northern Territory Department of Education: Open Source focussed for many years.
    * NSW Department of Transport: Moving down the open source (particularly, open-office) path.
    * Aust Department of Defence: LOTS of open source here, regardless of lack of any official position om the issue.
    * About a dozen other government departments: Using open source security auditing agents (Snare, Snort) to comply with national security requirements.
    * ACT open-source legislation will probably mean a heightened open-source focus for the ACT government IT provider, InTACT.
    * Several small DB projects in quite a few agencies, using postgres/mysql.
    * Websphere (which has a apache backend) being used in a bunch of organisations, including the DVA.
    * many more examples...

    However, I'm not certain that the ATO are converting just yet, they're just not excluding it any more (ie: Allowing prospective bidders to NOT take into account the current (windows) SOE when developing proposals). I also suspect that the tax records will not be affected by this change - from memory, they're on a bunch of big-iron machines.

    Red.

  7. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would say no. The article mentions middle-ware applications, not end-user apps.

  8. Re:Why start in the tax office? by iabervon · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're already planning a major change. This is not actually a commitment to use any OSS, but rather a decision to evaluate OSS solutions as part of the change. Furthermore, they run relatively little software on their desktops; most of the work is done on their mainframes. So the OSS portion of this is not really a massive undertaking. For that matter, if they start running Linux on their mainframes (side-by-side with what they're currently running), they can start a tighter integration between their mainframe and desktop environment.

  9. Re:Does this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Just a note that the 2003 version ran just fine using wine.

  10. Quite Significant! by Antarius · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is actually quite a significant development. The ATO doesn't usually adopt "new technologies" for quite some time.

    I was amazed when they snuck in fax numbers to allow businesses to submit their BAS (Business Activity Statement - paperwork for the "New Tax System." Is submitted anywhere from Quarterly through to twice-per-fscking-week depending on size of the business).

    Because they aren't publicised, here's some of the fax numbers that I've been able to find out:
    +61-3-9937-9200
    +61-3-9937-9400
    +61-8-8228-4399
    +61-8-8228-4297

    Of course, now I can sit back and watch these fax machines get slashdotted. Not that they don't every day that a BAS/IAS is due anyway! ;-)
    "Specifically "not recommended or supported" in the SOE are the GNU/Linux open source operating system and the Mozilla open-source browser."
    The non-Linux move comes as no surprise. It's no secret that the current hardware is great for Fragfests (Some of the best Quake players that I knew were ATO employees...)

    As to Mozilla? Also no surprise. If their own webpage isn't 100% Mozilla friendly, who'd expect any advances in this field?
  11. Linux Australia by kazooie · · Score: 4, Informative
    While not being terribly high profile, or influential, SLUG have done some work haranguing the ATO. The focus there was on the adoption of Open standards, particularly with regard to their eTax tax return software.

    Linux Australia, the national Linux body, have been doing a lot more interesting work in the Government space.

  12. Not Ditched, just the Policy Changed: by sasha328 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The comment is pretty misleading. The ATO had a SOE policy wich explicitly excluded non-Microsoft products. What they are doing now is ditching this part of the SOE policy. In other words, they will still be a Microsoft shop, but in the future, non-Microsoft products have, in theory, and equal footing to be accepted as SOE.
    Don't get me wrong. It is a positive move, and hopefully, good will come out of it.

  13. Re:Say what? by AstroDrabb · · Score: 4, Informative
    perhaps not, according to the article "Specifically 'not recommended or supported' in the SOE are the GNU/Linux open source operating system and the Mozilla open-source browser."
    That was the old SOE.

    The very first paragraph states:
    THE Australian Tax Office will adopt an open-source software policy for the first time, opening its Microsoft-dominated standard operating environment (SOE) to products such as Linux.
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  14. Sharing Code Already by marko123 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A beautiful thing I heard from the horse's mouth last time I was in Canberra:

    The Intellectual Property departments are sharing source code with the Taxation Departments instead of spending tax dollars to rewrite the same functionality (online identification verification using PKI in Java).

    Very good to hear already. This makes sense as well.

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  15. From The Trenches by ikeaboy77 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having spent more than my fair share of time (though not as much as some!) working on ATO mid-range systems, I can confirm most of the technical aspects of the article.

    Yes, all ATO mid-range systems are developed on the Microsoft platform. Most are recently developed .NET applications to web-enable existing mainframe applications; Others were designed to integrate across agencies via web-services; Others still do little more than send an email.

    And yes, the vast, vast majority of core business processing continues to take place on mainframes - tax processing, enforcement, GST, BAS. The data for these systems are all ultimately stored and processed on big iron.

    As for the SOE, well, mid-range developers have (you guessed it) an all Microsoft SOE running W2K server (progressively rolling out W2K3), SQL Server 2000, IIS 5, etc, etc, etc. Business users run XP with the usual collection of Office and Outlook, plus a good old mainframe client to connect to those core systems.

    Sure, the lip service paid to adopting open source might be encouraging, but I wouldn't hold my breath! The Change Program needs to make these announcements, but much of the technology solutions are already proposed and are only a rubber stamp away from approval.

  16. Re:SOE what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry, for sme people it means more than that. In the world of IT Service Management, a SOE (aka Configuration Baseline) is a powerful tool to simplify the release management process. Without the concept of configuration baselines, an organisation with 3000 desktops and 200 servers would have potentially 3200 different configurations. Pretty hard to test against, to find the underlying causes of incidents etc. etc. etc.

    Many organisations have server SOEs as well as desktop ones.

  17. Re:Make it Government Wide by Eivind · · Score: 2, Informative
    You're confusing two different things. Yes, one unix-admin can in general admin more servers, or maintain more desktops than one windows-guy.

    But that doesn't mean that you won't require more or less the same amount for user-support as you needed under Windows. Indeed you'd probably need more in the change-over period. Not because Linux is so much harder to use, but simply because *any* change requires some amount of retraining. (changing from Linux to Windows would also require extra user-support for a period.)

    So, the likely calculations goes something like this:

    • Licensing: Savings from day 1 onwards.
    • User-support: Initially extra costs, later the same as now.
    • Administration: Initially extra costs, later savings.
    In the short range (~6 months) the re-training and conversion, installation of new systems and so on will likely outweigh the saved licensing-costs. (depending on spesifics ofcourse)

    Thereafter you'll save money, because re-training and higher costs in support for converting stuff is a one-off affair while the savings in licensing and in lower administration are permanent.

    For foreign (as in Non-US) governments an additional factor is at work; The licensing-money you save would have been shipped more or less wholesale to the US. The wages you pay local people stay in the local economy, goes to grow the local IT-bussiness and you get parts of it back (the people hired pay income-tax which return to the state, then they buy stuff in the shops, where the VAT returns to the state etc etc etc)