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Australian Tax Office Adopts Open Source Software

James Roberts writes "AustralianIT is reporting today that the Australian Tax Office, or ATO (Australian IRS equivalent) has ditched its standard Microsoft SOE and will now adopt the Linux operating system 'where appropriate.' It was reported late last year that the ATO was originally considering Longhorn as its preferred SOE. This is a big step for Australian Federal Government, who have been slow in the uptake of open source policies despite ongoing petitioning by several high profile pressure groups."

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  1. Off the shelf or custom? by MacFury · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just what operations are they moving to open source? Is this the standard day to day operating tasks such as word processing and spreadsheets, or are they writing custom software?

    1. Re:Off the shelf or custom? by erf007 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In the article it states that they currently are predominantly Microsoft centric on their midrange platform and this is the area that is expected to change as part of the Change Program.

      I guess this in turn means that they would primarily be doing custom developed software. I can't imagine too much off the shelf type stuff that would be of interest to ATO.

  2. Why start in the tax office? by seriv · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Shouldn't the ITs over there start with thing less important then tax records to start with converting computers to Open Source? Don't get me wrong, I am all for a switch anywhere, but why start with such a massive undertaking?

    1. Re:Why start in the tax office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      IBM Websphere is not particularly valid point in the context of this article. The idea that deploying a Websphere based Intranet solution is actually cost effective is quite ridiculous to me.

      I am, right now, sitting next to a bunch of developers who are battling to get a single part of a Websphere implementation to work, let alone be productive. The current word is that the leader of the team should probably be looking for a new job because of the current budget blow-out.

      Sure, apache is no doubt working beautifully behind the scenes here, but from what I've heard that would be the only thing working. IBM have promised us the world, and are now helping us towards fulfilling that promise, without very much success.

      Developing an Intranet solution based on Websphere has little to do with what web server its running on, and more to do with the content management tools it provides, how easy it is to have it co-exist and integrate with existing applications, and how clear the business are in defining the requirements.

      Luckily, here, management are smart enough to understand that the problems lie with IBM's solution, and not the fact that we're using open-source software

    2. Re:Why start in the tax office? by toby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What, would you prefer to entrust important things to Windows, id10t?

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  3. Does this mean... by propellor_head · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does this mean that in future, e-tax (the software the ATO provides for people to lodge their own personal returns) will run on Linux? At present it only runs on Windows.

  4. They still have a ways to go ... by calmdude · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:They still have a ways to go ... by calmdude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Converting a web server to open source is the first step one should take even before fully considering converting to OSS.

      Imagine someone saying, "I want to date 6'5 tall women because someone said good things about them", but they have only dated girls 5'2 and shorter. How likely is it that they will keep the commitment to date 6'5 people?

      The only way a company truly converts to OSS is if they have a high-exposure, successful project, and once again, the web site is the best way to accomplish this. Several companies I did work for decided to convert to OSS right after we installed a *nix box running Apache.

      A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step ....

  5. Simple. by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Bullshit marketing from MS. Remember Windows NT? Didn't it START at version 3.5? What happened to Windows NT 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0?

    Hitler also followed this numbering scheme. He started numbering his troops at something like 10,000 to make the first recruits think there were many before them.

  6. If only Intuit BuickBooks had a Linux port by emptybody · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would love to use quickbooks but am sick to death of microsoft. Maybe this will help them to see it is a good idea.

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    1. Re:If only Intuit BuickBooks had a Linux port by Long-EZ · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm running QuickBooks Pro 2000 under CrossOver (the commercial version of WINE) in Xandros Linux, derived from Debian stable). The user interface is a bit ugly, with some of the buttons almost completely hidden and no online help, but it otherwise works as it did in Windoze. The critical accounting data is secure. Printing checks and invoices is not a problem.

      Other versions didn't work but QB Pro 2000 does. CrossOver should put more effort into supporting QB as a critical application that prevents businesses from adopting Linux. I don't care if it runs IE or MS Office. All I need is QB and OSS.

      I'm looking forward to a native Linux port of QB, but CrossOver emulation is good enough for now.

      I switched my small business to Linux 14 months ago and it's been great.

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  7. Yes, No by quinkin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Who says they are "non-profit(sic) sales teams"? You don't think the Initiative for Software Choice doesn't get a kickback for scuttling another Open Source bill?

    Having friends within the ATO I can tell you with certainty that no savings will be passed on to the public.

    That said, we may incur LESS additional budget bloat (a fixture since the introduction of GST and the complete farce of it's implementation).

    Q.

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  8. It can't be a full scale conversion. by penpen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Australian Taxation Office is the so entrenched with microsoft products, I doubt that will ever look at moving away from these solutions.

    Perhaps the greatest entrenchment is something called the ATO innovation centre. This is where they collaborate at a high level with microsoft, on new products and solutions to what they're working on.

    I'm sure I would have heard about news as big as the ATO closing down their innovation centre so one can assume, they aren't even close to getting rid of ms, but are still deep in bed taking a pounding in the wallet.

    Other reasons I'm doubtful of the move are custom pieces of software that have been made for the ATO would have to be ported.
    I know for a fact that the company I work has over the years written a large number of pieces of software for the ATO using, vb and .net. Now simply the cost of moving over these third party software pieces would make any more away from microsoft extremely difficult.

  9. ATO by digitaltraveller · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Australia you can file your taxes electronically using a WIN32 application that is terribly written. It consistently estimates your refund/liability incorrectly even with the simplest tax information. For example, a salary-only return with no deductions, no adjustments, etc.

    Putting their support for monopolists aside, government incompetence is so 90's. The concept of DETERMINISM needs to be explained to the ATO.

    If anything should be deterministic it's the tax code. The refund/liability amount should be perfect to the last penny, in all but the most complex returns.

    Even in that situation, the estimated return should be correct, but potentially there may be arguments about the content of the return itself, not the resulting amount.

  10. Nice to see... by wildchild978 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... that I'm not the only one who's noticed this glaring ommission. I dislike having to reboot into windows for e-tax. I've tried running e-tax under WINE, but had troubles, so unless they want to take e-tax online or port it to java instead of MS Visual Basic or whatever it is they use (the widgets are vaguely familiar but I can't remember where they're from) I would hope that since they're adopting a more open philisophy the openness would flow on to its "end user" applications.

  11. Interesting, but... by The+Famous+Brett+Wat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So does this mean that e-tax 2004 won't require the use of Windows to lodge your tax return electronically? I do keep a spare Windows machine lying around for use in case of emergency, but I refuse to entrust it with any important financial information, passwords, or things that could facilitate "identity theft", so there's no way I'm going to fill out a tax return on it.

    I'm betting that e-tax will be Windows-only again this year, but it's a bet I wouldn't mind losing.

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  12. Seen this one? FLAG by tqft · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FLAG - Forensic and Log Analysis GUI

    Ran across this morning looking for something else

    http://www.dsd.gov.au/library/software/flag/inde x. html

    You may want to check the source or have someone you trust do so

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  13. Re:This is the LAST organization I'd want... by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 2, Interesting
    How do you feel about the NSA-developed SELinux extensions that are being added to distros all over the place?
    As long as the source code is available, I don't care who developed it. What worried me (and everyone I know in the information security field I know in Brazil) about Microsoft's "NSA Key" is that we can't see what's in the Windows source code, and MS may or may not have built in a "back door" allowing the NSA to circumvent any encryption without us knowing. I know of nobody who was convincd by Microsoft's denials.
    If the NSA were to try to sneak something like that into a piece of F/OSS, others among the "many eyes" would almost certainly spot it. And before some wag asks, no, the recent release of some old Win2K source on P2P filesharing networks does not give Windows the same advantage...

    --Mark
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