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Stolen Laptop Alarms

torok writes "Three Engineering students from Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, BC, Canada have developed a laptop alarm complete with remote pager that detects if your laptop is being moved and sounds an alarm. The article is a bit sketchy on details, but it sounds like a cool idea."

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  1. I go to Simon Fraser University by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... and if I hear one of these going off during a test, I'll find the engineers and beat them up!

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    1. Re:I go to Simon Fraser University by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How true though. Honestly, do we need another car alarm type of device? I live in a very high density urban setting, and we are plagued with car alarms constantly. As my uncle once put it, they are the most ignored (yet annoying) sound in America. The police only care about them because of the noise. I am willing to wager my life on at least 99% of the actual, real-world car alarm soundings are false alarms of one sort or another. And I'm not just talking about worthless (except for car finding for the inept) panic buttons. We're trying to deal with air pollution, we're looking at light pollution, now let's save our ears with less noise pollution. Please!

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  2. Damn laptop alarms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like car alarms, I'm sure that laptop alarms will prove to be an important tool in the war on theft... not. This is going to be annoying as hell.

    1. Re:Damn laptop alarms by nodwick · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The creators say exactly the same thing:
      The beauty of the electronic beast, according to Mitchell, is it allows the laptop owner to be mobile, which is, after all, the whole idea of laptops. There are few false alarms because of the deactivating device and the distance required between the laptop and its owner (about 15 feet) before the gizmo works.

      "There are lots of systems out there that have just a thing that detects motion, so it blasts a siren just like the car alarms that no one listens to these days," said Mitchell.

      What they don't say is how their device solves the problem. As far as I can tell, when it goes off, it still makes the same annoying sounds.

      I disagree that loud laptop alarms won't be effective because they're unnoticed -- after all, the places they'd be used would most likely be study areas or libraries, which are typically very quiet. A 105 decibel alarm in such an area would certainly get people's attention. The problem is that it'd be terribly obnoxious as well. Personally, I think if someone did use one of these somewhere like a library, it'd work great scaring off the would-be thief but not so great against the subsequent mob coming to bash it into silence with textbooks and binders ...

    2. Re:Damn laptop alarms by daveo0331 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree that loud laptop alarms won't be effective because they're unnoticed -- after all, the places they'd be used would most likely be study areas or libraries, which are typically very quiet

      Unfortunately, a lot of laptop theft happens in really noisy places like airports and train stations. If one of these goes off in the terminal at O'Hare or LAX, it will get ignored. I agree it would be useful at the library though.

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    3. Re:Damn laptop alarms by FlameboyC11 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I doubt in this time and age, a black box being carried by a rapidly walking person making a loud, alarm like noise would be disregarded in any sort of transportation terminal. Airports have been locked-down for less...

    4. Re:Damn laptop alarms by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 5, Funny
      Unfortunately, a lot of laptop theft happens in really noisy places like airports and train stations. If one of these goes off in the terminal at O'Hare or LAX, it will get ignored.

      So have an "airport mode" for the system that changes the alarm from a generic siren to a prerecorded message. Something like, oh...

      I AM A BOMB!
      I AM A BOMB!
      ...AND BY THE WAY, THE PERSON CARRYING ME HAS BEEN FEELING VERY DEPRESSED LATELY...
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  3. What it doesn't do by mgv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remote tracking

    Its one thing to know that your laptop is being stolen, and another to be able to track it down.

    Something with a GPS would be more useful.

    Michael

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    1. Re:What it doesn't do by rampant+mac · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Remote tracking"

      That reminds me of a story... Some guy tracked down a stolen iMac using Applescript and Timbucktu.

      It's actually an interesting read to see how this guy traced an iMac stolen from his sister's home.

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    2. Re:What it doesn't do by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well a GPS is nice, but a GPS is not a homing device in and of itself. GPS devices recieve, they do not transmit. The only reason that services like OnStar work is by integrating a [analog] cell phone into the system somehow. If this was external, it would be simply to sever it from the laptop. If this device was internalized, laptops would have to increase noticeably in size and weight. Though this would be cool, it would involve monthly/yearly fees as well as weight and power tradeoffs. Most laptop users wouldn't want those tradeoffs. I know I wouldn't. If can simply not be lazy and put the damned thing in standby and bring it with you when it needs to be out of eyesight, it will never have the chance of being stolen. Cool, huh?

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    3. Re:What it doesn't do by jhunsake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      your car alarm goes off, will you notice?

      No, and no one else will either. Alarms going off has become so prevalent in our society that most people ignore them. When was the last time you saw someone concerned about a car alarm going off? I live in a college town and everyone ignores fire alarms because they are falsely triggered (ie intentionally pulled) all the time. I think the only alarms people pay attention to anymore are the ones we use to wake up. And that's only because they're so damn annoying.

  4. Stolen Laptop Alarms by indianseason · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this where I can look at stolen laptop alarms? Mine was stolen last week on the subway...

  5. Targus Defcon by nial-in-a-box · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps not exactly the same, but it's already been done for $50.

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  6. Next step: detonator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't find the guy who walked off with your laptop, press button 'B' and collect his ashes.

  7. How is it going to work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Beep beep beep, you laptop is being stolen.

    Beep beep beep, you will never see it again.

    Beep beep beep, haha.

  8. Let's just face the facts by iswm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people would just pay more attention to their possesions and surroundings there wouldn't be a real big problem with this in the first place. Having an alarm will just give people an even more false sense of security, when inevetably, just like cars, the alarms will do little to stop theives.

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  9. A SERIOUS, EASY WAY TO DEFEAT... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've seen this done easily with motion detectors like this one all the time.

    1) Slip Zip-Lock under and around alarm.

    2) Poor some water into bag, just enough to cover alarm.

    3) Enjoy laptop.

    You would be surprised just how easyily a lot of electonics are defeated with water. Nice idea, but it needs to be made water proof/resistant.

  10. Good idea for cars but... by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...on a laptop it's really stupid. I have a lojack installed with something VERY similar to this. It's one of the best anti-theft devices I've ever had on any car. I have a little keychain that I keep with my keys and inside the car is a kind of transmitter. If the car is moving and the keychain is not present, lojack will call my cell phone, send me an e-mail (I receive e-mails on my phone) and call my house. I can add more contact methods (text messaging, more phone numbers, like work or something) but these are the easiest ways to contact me.

    The good thing about this (and the bad thing about the laptop one) is if I'm using a car, it's going to be on and the keys are gonna be in it so the keychain is gonna be in the car. If I'm going to go to the bathroom, I'm going to park, turn off my car, take the keys out and go to the bathroom. Now if I'm using a laptop, and I want to go to the bathroom, I'm not going to carry the laptop with me (and if I was going to carry the laptop the device becomes completely pointless.)

    This device is useless, if you're going to be 15 feet away from your laptop (ok my bedroom is 15 feet across, it's not very far) you should be able to see anyone going near it that's going to attempt to take it. And if they're going to snatch it up while you're that close this little alarm won't help since they're gonna run and not really care who hears the alarm (they could always just smash it off with their foot, I mean it just hangs off the side, it might crack the case of the laptop but who cares they just got a free laptop.)

  11. Re:Why do people steal laptops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I find this hard to believe.

    I've dealt with stolen computer equipment. Both with tracking down our own lost equipment and I knew a guy who dealt in stolen laptops.

    What happens to stolen computer equipment? Ebay. That's where a lot of it ends up.

    Some of it also is sold in person, but never by the person who stole it. The particular guy I knew had a loose network of people with whom he'd trade laptops so the laptops he sold came from the other coast of the US.

    In all cases, these guys are usually pretty dumb. The won't even format the machines but that's not because they care about the data, it's because they can't deal with basic driver/software issues. If the machine has a BIOS password on it, it ends up in the dumpster. Software-based "phone home" theft prevention systems are likely quite successful - one of our own machines was tracked down that way, but the software that called home was meant for our own usage auditing, not for tracking stolen equipment.

    I really find it hard to believe that someone would try to steal a laptop for the data on it. First of all, you need to know whose machine you're taking and that means trailing someone around for days until the machine is left unattended. This is very unlikely - thieves don't operate like this. If you just grabbed a random laptop and happened to find some MSFT financial reports on it, how exactly would you sell that? Do you call up IBM's corporate espionage hotline from a payphone? I mean, come on, be realistic.

    The only way a thief could possibly care about the data on a laptop is if a stolen machine coincidentally happened to lead to some hot investment tip, like an upcoming takeover (or something else that the thief could capitalize on without threat of discovery), but the people that steal laptops don't have accounts with Merryl Lynch, but rather accounts with their drug dealer. If the thief actually had some computer/engineering/financial know-how, he would have a better-paying safer job, but these people don't know how to operate Excel.

    It can be tempting to fantasize about a stolen laptop underground with international spies and mob bosses, but these thieves aren't exactly long-term planners. They happen upon an unattended machine and figure it will get them their fix for the week.

  12. Hard disk security by tronicum · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A laptop is a interesting part to steal as a video projector, a car or a nice watch.

    More importent than the fact that you alert yourself "your PC is stolen, wakeup" is that your data is safe and can not be read by the thief.

    Hard disc encryption (at least your homedir with your ssh keys, pgp key and other sensitive data) is more importent than a buzzing alert that gets turned off like car alarms....

  13. Actually, if you read the article by The+Tyro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'll find that it gives you a five-second window to deactivate before the alarm starts blaring...

    Should cut down on the noise pollution "oops, accidently tripped my alarm" incidents.

    Besides, it's not like a car alarm that goes off when somebody walks too close to it (or brushes up against your door in the parking lot, or taps your car with a shopping cart, etc). Somebody actually has to pick this up and move it before it sounds the alarm. Personally, if somebody is moving my laptop in my absence, you can bet I'm going to assume the worst and correct their behavior...

    Sign me up for one of these babies.

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