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Macromedia to Port Flash MX to Linux?
LnxAddct writes "An article on CNet reports that Macromedia will start taking Linux more seriously. It will start this new initiative by making it's suite of tools run easily under WINE, then depending on the response it gets, it will port it's tools natively to Linux! Their Chief Software Architect, Kevin Lynch, stated, 'What we've been investigating is, When will it be time to bring our tools to Linux? I think it might be happening now.' Maybe 2004 will be the year of Linux."
This is half the reason I dont use linux on the desktop. Now, get me a stable version of Photoshop CS, and I'm in.
Hopefully, this means that they'll take non-x86 platforms semi-seriously. ;b I'd like a PPC Flash plug-in, that's for certain.
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There are some software titles that just -need- to be ported to linux, do to lack of OSS alternatives. The Macromedia MX line of tools is -definately- one of those.
;D).
AFAIK, there is no alternative to Flash MX on Linux -- yes, Openoffice.org Impress will save to Flash, but to some designers, that's simply not powerful enough.
And Dreamweaver MX is the -only- wysiwyg editor that I will allow to touch my code. It works cleanly and with compatibility, something no other wysiwyg editor, even oss ones, can claim. (disclaimer: I code in gedit
On a side note -- didn't I read something a few months back about Adobe doing something similar with Photoshop?
Jay | http://oldos.org
Are they doing this as a response to SVG? Especially since Microsoft is "embracing and extending" SVG into WVG? It'd definitely be easier, without a Flash MX that runs on Linux, for Linux users to develop SVG than Flash. Many of the people that create interactive content that's as advanced as Flash are geeky enough to love or at least know how to get around in Linux.
I claim first use of "Error No. 0B" - or "No. 0B error." It'll be the new ID 10T!
Not that I am in any way disparaging The GIMP, which is awesome, but the PHBs and CXOs only know Illustrator and PhotoShop...
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Can we keep the tools, but not get the plugin? Please? PLEASE?
Isn't it sad when you prefer the platform where a quarter of the "web" content DOESN'T work, and that's perfectly OK? No full motion ads, no ads that start talking to you when you mouse-over them...
Please help metamoderate.
Wow i thought i would NEVER hear those words! I hope this starts some kind of trend for more companies to start porting their software over to Linux. Go Macromedia!!
One thing I like about Macromedia apps is that they fully support WebDAV. And I dont know of any good Linux based Web Development app that supports WebDAV natively. So this move by Macromedia will be very welcomed. WebDAV is IETF stardard for WebBased Document Authoring and Versioning, and is very useful in WebDevelopment. Support for WebDAV in Windows based WebDevelopement apps is what forces me to use windows. If Macromedia ports its apps, I will be able to switch to Linux completely.
Consensus is good, but informed dictatorship is better
will we start seeing Flash with better content soon, seeing Linux users are on average better skilled technically.
The more I delve into my job search here in Japan, I've come to realize how much Linux is growing on the minds of companies. Almost every company I've interviewed with has asked the "what experience do you have with Linux" question. I'm glad I installed Debian Woody last year and have been running that on a separate spare box here at home.
Until now, most multimedia production platforms have either been Windows or Mac based. But as the tools of Linux become better, especially with the recent improvements in KDE, Linux is seen and being used more and more as a desktop production platform. Because of this, software vendors are feeling their ears perk up in the direction of Linux.
While it may never take the lead in the Desktop wars, Linux will find a nice niche somewhere between Windows and Mac. Software vendors who do not take Linux seriously may find themselves and their competitive positions usurped by some other up and comer, if not someone else who wants to write a free version of the software.
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I'm not sure I agree with the porting strategem. Getting MX to work on Wine is all fine and dandy, but basing the full port to Linux on the acceptance of the Wine port seems silly. Yes, I know it saves money doing it this way, but that's kind of like changing the tires on your 15-year-old car and expecting people to buy it for full price; not very likely. I have used Linux frequently, both as a software developer and an end-user, and I have rarely had any call to use Wine (though it is a great tool). As a developer, though, I would be really leery of using this kind of potentially unstable platform for my bread-and-butter work. The bottom line is that MX works on Windows, so I run it on Windows. If it gets ported fully to Linux with the same support and the Windows version, then great, I'd consider using it on Windows (especially if the same box came with both versions!) I'm not about to fiddle around getting it running on Linux, and I doubt many other developers will either. (Why are you so afraid of Linux, Macromedia??)
This could be an excellent move for Macromedia, since the Linux-platform is currently (still) being ignored by its archrival Adobe.
I'm an optimist, so I am sure that Adobe will eventually be convinced by the increased marketshare of Linux to port their applications over as well. But the sooner Macromedia gets a foothold in Linux in the meantime, the more of an advantage it will have when the time comes for Adobe to follow suit.
Since we're talking about Macromedia and Flash anyway: does anyone here know why the open-source Flash plugin hasn't been developed further by anyone? Macromedia's binary-only plugin lacks performance (and often stability) as well as platform-support, is currently still at version 6. Besides, the Flash 7 specs are publicly available anyway, so we wouldn't even have to reverse engineer the format to reimplement the plugin, right?
Perhaps such an open-source plugin could eventually even be integrated in the Mozilla directly? Or would that somehow be an undesirable idea?
"Oooh, does that mean we get to kick some puffy white mad zionist butt?"
as cited in a previous slashdot article
( http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/13/2134234.sht
Market researcher IDC expects to announce within weeks that Linux' PC market share in 2003 hit 3.2%, overtaking Apple Computer Inc.'s (NasdaqNM:AAPL - News) Macintosh (news - web sites) software.
Smart move to support the number two desktop OS.
It looks the dam is about to burst in terms of software vendors supporting Linux. Too bad it's WINE, native Linux support would be better. Regardless, this is a big win for Linux.
I'm worred that they might just be using this as a bargaining chip with Microsoft as Dell has done with desktop support for Linux. The deal would be "don't build an alternative to Flash and we won't push this Linux fad too much".
Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. A lot of spam generating software already runs on linux. As does a lot of porongrapic websites, why would you use windows for a server?
That which is done from love exists beyond good and evil
I've noticed that at least people in the UK, and perhaps a large portion of Europe (I don't really know) treat companies, bands, etc etc as plural. So while your grammar naziing is valid for American English, it doesn't necessarily hold elsewhere.
(The idea behind it is not that Macromedia is a group of companies. It's that Macromedia is a group of people.)
It seems weird to me every time I see it (since I'm American), and it strikes me as odd to accept the abstration of a bunch of people into a company without accepting that the company can be treated as a single entity, but it's still idiomatically correct.
I would disagree. There are a lot of Business applications out there which do some pretty advanced data modelling off of Spreadsheet/OLAP Data stores using Flash as the underlying technology. I have seen quite a few being used by some Financial Analysts. Check this out. The only way thing the average joe cares about is whether or not his stuff will work on Linux. And people who are users/consumers of such Flash-based applications/products/end-results are, more often than not, decision makers.
IMHO, there can never be too little Flash.
/usr/local/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so.temp
BTW for those who want to turn it off by default, all you need to do is rename the plugin, eg
mv
And if you REALLY need it, like those horrific sites that don't actually use HTML (car manufacturer sites are the worst offenders I come across) you can rename it back
So does Anonymous Coward have good karma?
They should have done this much earlier. Macromdia is doing this now because they are scared of Microsoft 'Sparkle' due soon.
Why not port a native Dreamweaver? There is NO decent WYSIWYG HTML editor on Linux. Flash is an accessory to Dreamweaver. People who want Flash can't work without a decent HTML editor. They definately won't edit their HTML in vi, so they won't buy Flash for Linux.
/, then you get to dig for the home directory.
WINE is a pain when it comes to drive letters.
First, it has a totally different view of the filesystem than every native app. It has a fake drive letter (Z: for instance) that leads to
Or, if you set up the home directory as H: or whatever, the user ends up looking for their H: drive from a native app.
WINE is unstable, even using the Crossover Office I bought to try to get my wife, the last holdout in my house, off of Windows.
PLEASE, Macromedia, don't use WINE to hack this together and please port the main application FIRST!!
If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison
Huh ?
The typical desktop user wouldn't go to Linux because of not having flash running on it ?
I agree it would be a good step for professional Web developers, using extensively the capabilities of Flash (there is OO for basic works), but for the desktop ?
IMHO, no. What we need for the desktop is GUI interoperability and more device drivers.
Regards,
jdif
Let's overcome our weakness.
Towards the constant inundation of desktop Linux users with pop-ups, horrendous advertising, and unwanted web content in general.
I agree that this is definitely a most welcomed step forward towards mainstream Linux acceptance, but at the same time could also be a kneejerk reaction to advertisers complaints that spam "isn't working" on Linux.
Now that Linux-based OSs are gaining popularity on the desktop, I suppose Macromedia finally decided it was time to start the advertisements a-rollin!
It can also generate SVG animation.
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I started using Crossover recently. since it has the options to "simulate" reboots instead of the real Windows ones, and it can download and apply patches directly from setup rather than having to go through Office Update, I reckon it's better on linux than Windows.
Great, Macromedia. Glad you are taking the cheap way out with WINE.
By the way. Where is Flash Player 7? Your last Linux release, 6.0 r79, is 12 months old now, and several sites now *require* Flash 7.
If they don't take Linux more seriously, they'll eventually see some SVG browser plugins pop up with similar (better) features, and better native Linux support.
Much to the dismay of many of my designer friends, the last few development cycles for Flash have been focused on Flash as an application platform. Just take a look at their recent initiatives, Flex, Central - they're targeting the developer community.
Sad to say, lately their efforts haven't been going so well. Most of the people who are Flash programmers right now don't need new interfaces for creating Flash content because they're already acclimated to the old interface, and many programmers who aren't already in the Flash community aren't getting turned on by these changes to the tools because they already have strong opinions that they aren't open to changing. ("Flash is good for Strongbad, but why should I care?")
So, how do they attract more developers? By going where the developers want to go, to Linux. It might seem obvious here on Slashdot, but this is real leadership in the market in which they operate - let's hope it starts a cascade that turns into a flood.
Dreamweaver MX is already listed as a bronze application in Codeweavers Compatibility center's list of win32 apps. That means it is able to perform some of its functions under either the latest wine or crossover office 2.1 Take a look, vote for it and/or pledge money to help make it work.
Anand Rangarajan anand@cise.ufl.edu
Flash can be well-used. Seei cking -diagram3.swf
http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/lock-p
... if they could get FlashMX 2004 running properly on windows and OSX, before deciding to port it to another OS. this latest release has to be one of the most bug-ridden "commercial" releases i've seen in a long, long time. not to mention it's a processor and memory hog and is unreasonably sluggish, especially on OS X.
I just don't get Flash. The only good thing about it is all the flash ads that I don't have to see<snip>
We're just starting to experiment with flash-based training for our software, and so far, we're incredibly pleased.
Of course, we aren't using anything from Macromedia, we're instead using Qarbon which allows you to turn a screen-shot into a flash animation with reasonable bandwidth requirements and amazing pizazz...
We posted a "Viewlet" to our website, and got a sale that paid for it within just a few days! We bought the software, and had our first sample video in 20 minutes, including install time.
Incredible.
And, the reviews we're getting from trainees is just wonderfully positive.
I encourage you to try the link above; you'll be amazed.
Oh, and I'm not affiliated in any way with Qarbon...
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Granted, it depends on how much effort they expend. And I'm not sure how hard it will be to set up. But it wouldn't necessairily be as bad as you assume.
Next, please move Cubase product line with VST to Linux. That is definitely software that would greatly benefit from it.
-el
Not always. Many people in this discussion are calling for Photoshop or Dreamweaver to be ported to GNU/Linux. I don't think I'd like to see that. It might get some people to use some free software, sure. But it will also get people away from using free software. I mean, someone who wants Photoshop ported probably wants to use it as well, while currently he might use the Gimp, for example.
Think about what your goal is. In my opinion, it should be "make the (software) world free". Initially, having proprietary programs on GNU/Linux may help that goal. But at some point, it will only be counterproductive.
Saying that flash can be well used is like saying that giving guns to monkeys could actually repel an enemy attack. Technically it's possible, but totally unlikely to happen.
For each 1 site which does use flash for something which absolutely needs an animated illustration of how something works, there'll be no less than 99 sites which:
1. Just make the whole goddamn site in flash, including the plain text parts. So now I have to wait 15 seconds on DSL (!!) for every single page to load. And I pity the poor buggers who are on dial-up.
Bonus points for forcing me to use it all in a tiny flash window, instead of letting me use the whole 1600x1200. More bonus points for forcing me to read whatever flyspeck font looked good on some retard's 640x480 screen. God forbid that they give me plain HTML which I can zoom to a readable size in Opera.
2. Clutter an otherwise potentially useful site with a bazillion slow-loading pointless flash animations. E.g., God forbid that they actually give me a link or button to click on, when they can make it a huge flash animation instead.
3. Make me watch some retarded and huge flash ad before even seeing what the site has to offer. And then give me half a dozen huge slow-loading flash ads per page.
4. Never even tested their flash crap on anything other than Windows 98 (or presumably now Linux). There's a difference in how the thread scheduling works in '98, NT, 2000 and XP. A tight loop which never yields control will _not_ slow the whole computer to a crawl on Win98. It _will_ on NT and 2000. So a single badly written flash ad (or java applet) can make my computer not even accept more than one keystroke per second. Oh, the fun.
And who's to blame?
A. The clueless graphics artist promoted to designer, without any extra training. Instead of making a usable site, he'll keep his old fetish that flashy graphics, colours and non-standard hard-to-read layouts are what art is all about.
B. The SFV (Stupid Fashion Victim.) This can be an artist, a PHB or even a programmer. The common ground is that they think newer _must_ be better, no matter how idiotically mis-used.
Don't get me wrong, new generally is better, but only when used right. Using plastic bottles instead of bricks, just because plastic is a newer technology, won't make a better building.
C. The dot-bomb style PHB or marketroid. The kind who thinks that what matters isn't the content, usefulness or even having a product to sell. The kind who thinks that people will surely rush to buy any useless crap, or even stuff available for free everywhere else, if it's on a site with a megabyte of animations per page and flashy colours everywhere. Yeah, verily, we just need more blink tags and flash animations, and everyone will just rush to give us tons of money for nothing.
Just for the record, I don't have anything against the professions of graphics artist, manager, or marketing expert. There are some skilled people in those professions. And I can respect someone's knowledge in any domain.
My beef is with the ones who are obviously unfit for their job. Some may have been skilled in a completely unrelated domain, but they don't even start to realize how different the new domain is, or how their new job is really a completely different one, with completely different rules, and which requires different skills. E.g., that making a usable GUI is _not_ the same thing as painting a work of art.
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
I used to use ColdFusion back when there was a good Linux server for it. I also used to code with HomeSite and/or ColdFusion Studio through WINE when I was coding for ColdFusion. When Macromedia bought Allaire, that all went to hell. Their next Linux server was for ColdFusion MX and it was a horrible product. Completely unreliable and completely rewritten to be a Java plugin to a plugin to Apache, rather than the native Apache module as it had been. Further, the CF community wouldn't hear from Macromedia for months at a time while they promised patches and updates galore.
Meanwhile, we returned our copy of ColdFusion MX Server, which wasn't that hard since the support staff was used to taking those calls. We stuck with the older CF server and are almost done porting to PHP. Further, eventually, I discovered Quanta and so no longer care about using HomeSite/CF Studio under WINE.
Obviously, our new setup doesn't take well to Flash, but that's for designers more than developers like us, so I don't feel a loss. We've found the free software world's equivalent and we've found it's better, cheaper, and far more reliable.
From the sound of it, they're going to do like Corel did and make WINE-compatible programs, but as I recall Corel actually had to package an entire WINE distribution with their software to make it work reliably - not exactly efficient. We'll see, but it's going to be awhile before I trust Macromedia to do anything good with Linux for a bit.
-N
I've nothing to say here...
macromedias current linux support is quite bad, you only get flash player 6 on i386 (and this is even "unsupported" by macromedia), nothing for ppc (i asked macromedia many times to release a ppc version) and other architectures. interesting to see there is something going on at macromedia, but i consider this to be marketing as log as the real thing isnt out.
it's gonna be a long long time. Do you ever hear a knock at the door? DO YOU? I say... A KNOCK AT THE DOOR. Do you ever think when you herar this knock on the door.. that maybe... just maybe these bastards are porting their shit to linux? NO, YOU DON'T.