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Peter Jackson Says "Hobbit" Movie In The Works
Patik writes "'Lord of the Rings' Director Peter Jackson is planning to film 'The Hobbit,' according to this Associated Press article. Jackson, who is currently filming 'King Kong', is waiting for New Line and MGM, the two studios with rights to the film, to battle it out for rights to make the prequel. Jackson also mentions wanting the movie to feel just like the LOTR trilogy, including having Ian McKellen return as Gandalf." (This is better than just hinting.)
Since he says "I guess MGM's lawyers and New Line's lawyers are going to have a huge amount of fun over the next few years trying to work it all out", I question how long he can wait.
A "few years" may make the movie seem disjointed from the rest of them. One of the great things about the first three is that noone really aged. If he waits 5+ years to make what is supposed to be a prequel, will those look out of place?
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For USian readers, Sir Ian has appeared on a number of chat shows recently promoting RoTK and other recent films of his. He was directly asked about his willingness to appear in "The Hobbit" should it be filmed and basically came across as absolutely desperate to do it and said something along the lines of "fingers crossed Peter Jackson will do it". So there you are. No word from Holm as far as I know though.
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I think I read in the books that Gandalf found Bilbo to not age at all after he obtained the ring. You'll remember even from the movie that Bilbo talks about not feeling older in terms of physical, but that he felt stretched and I guess old because of the tainted ring?
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Anyways, what I'm saying here is that they can have the guy that played Bilbo play it again. Same character, same looks. I can't wait to see the dwarves
You have to take into account that this book, and all others that were released by his son were mostly just the notes that Tolkien used in the creation of his world, and for the most part were never intended for publication. If your writing something for yourself you write it completly different then if you are going to write for others to read.
The Silmarillion is all back-ground to the main story of LOTR, and although hard to get though it certainly gives many insights into the world as a whole. Not one to put into film, but definatly a book for anybody who wants to really get to grips with the works of J.R.R Tolkien
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And if memory serves, there aren't any other hobbits in the story, right? At the end when Bilbo returns to the Shire he encounters a number of Hobbits in the process of auctioning off his possessions.
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He felt like "butter spread across too much bread" because the Ring was exerting more and more of its power over him, turning him inexorably into what Smeagol ultimately became. Which is part of the reason that Gandalf was most insistent that Bilbo leave the Ring at that point (at the beginning of the Fellowship); later he may not have physically been able to do it.
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This prequel is set 60 years before LotR - so no problem with hobbits, men or such. The only ones would be elves and Gandalf (an istari). But Gandalf looks "timelessly old" and would no doubt do that in 5+ years too. I guess the Elves could be the issue, they're immortals as well. But it'd only be a few characters, and not the main characters. I think it'll be just fine.
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In this case what we are seeing is not a straw man fallacy so much as an attempt to point out the absurdity of Person 1's argument. The point is, of course it wasn't perfect. No artistic work wrought by human hands can be "perfect". The word simply lacks any real meaning in this context.
In response to someone saying "this movie was not perfect", the implication behind a "could you have done better?" comment is, perfect compared to what? Perfect by what standard?
The question is reasonable. The root post says it could have been better. The response is, could it have? Could you have done it better? If not you, who? Anyone? This question is reasonable. There are no logical fallacies in the judgement of art because the judgement of art contains no logic. It is wholly subjective.
Gloin, Gimli's father, was on both books too - on LotR he appeared during Elrond's council.
He was even shown in the FotR movie, although he remained silent there.
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Frodo was 33 at the party, but didn't leave the Shire for many years.
But at 33 a hobbit has just come of age, so he should look young. Since he was carrying the ring,
which more or less stops aging, he should continue to look young throughout the story.
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keep in mind that serkis's proportions are very different from gollum's. gollum has long arms and legs and a small torso while serkis is more like a human in dimensions. the animators had to move gollum's arms/legs up and down to 'catch' the ground.
Frodo was 51 when he began his quest, like Bilbo, but he had had the ring preventing him from aging (at least partially) since he was 33 and thusly looked younger than Bilbo did during "The Hobbit."
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If I remember correctly, there was a huge war between the humans, dwarves, and elves in The Hobbit.
And then there's the whole Smaug rampage scene.
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Except that Hobbits have a longer lifespan than we do. Frodo was barely out of his "tweens", which is equivalent to our own "teens". I think he was cast well, and the look was about perfect. If only he could have looked just a little less soulful, maybe, 25% of the time...
Not sure if anyone else saw this, but a few months back I found what looked like a poor-quality leeked trailer for The Hobit on Kazaa or Bittorrent. It had most of the same characters, a few borrowed scenes, and what looked like new scenes, including CG of the dragon.
Anyone else see this, or know anything about it?
Bilbo was 51 when he set off on his adventure. Frodo is 50 when he sets off on his. You can check the dates in the RotK appendeces.
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It's a fantastic audiobook too. Same with the Hobbit audiobook. Audible!
Considering that "The Hobbit" became a prequel to "The Lord of the Rings", one could consider the possibility of which LOTR characters / actors could appear in "The Hobbit".
From The Book
- Bilbo - Ian Holm
- Gandalf - Ian McKellen
- Elrond - Hugo Weaving
- Gollum / Smeagol - Andy Serkis
Possible LOTR Characters Cameos
- Legolas - Orlando Bloom (Legolas is the son of King Thranduil of Mirkwood (the Elvenking of "The Hobbit"))
- Arwen Evenstar - Liv Tyler (daughter of Elrond, but stayed at Lothlorien at times - unlikely to appear, but it could make an appearance)
- Aragorn / Strider - Viggo Mortenson (Aragorn was raised in Rivendell, and so could make an appearance. He's known in "The Fellowship of the Ring" to be good friends with Bilbo)
- Barliman Butterbur - David Weatherley (though Bree is not mentioned, I believe, Bilbo and company could easily pass through Bree as its on the way)
- Other LOTR Elves - most any could show again if desired
Unlikely To Appear
- LOTR Hobbits - mostly all too young
- Gimli - probably too young or not born, as Gloin, Gimli's father, is described, I believe, as a young dwarf in "The Hobbit". On the other hand, dwarves are long lived (compared to humans) and so what's "young"? Hobbits came of age in their 30's or 40's (can't remember which off the top of my head).
Others?
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To quote Gandalf in the film:
"You haven't aged a day"
The worst was Aragorn; he was supposed to be much older than Viggo Mortensen, I think the supplemental stuff Tolkien wrote put him at about 80 or so. Though of course his race of men aged pretty slow. But he definitely should have been older and more weather-beaten.
Well, it would work just fine. Bilbo is about 50 when he finds the ring (iirc) and it slows the ageing process such that when he's 111 he still looks like he's 50.
So, no problem.
But I have my misgivings about this. I mean, he really took an axe to the LotR...well, at least this is only one book. Maybe he'll be able to resist the urge to turn the Hobbits and Dwarves into comic relief this time, seeing as how they're the major players. Of course, if he did that, he'd have to explain why he did it in the trilogy...only time will tell, I suppose.
It's only when Gollum researches the origins of his Precious, in order to find it again, that the name 'Baggins' is brought to the attention of Sauron. Gollum is caught and then released, whereupon he found and carefully evaded Shelob... both escapes for a price.
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back in the far distant past the BBC did a 53hr [yes 53 hours] radio dramatisation of Lord of the Rings with a young Ian Holm as Frodo Baggins. Thats probably why he got the part of Bilbo in the movie.
Yes he could carry off the part of Bilbo in the Hobbit but he would require a lot of care to stay healthy at the age he might be by the time the movie gets to be finally made.
two outside possibilities would be Bob Hoskins or Armin Shimerman [Quark in DS9}
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Some you missed, sort of:
- Gloin appeared at the council of Elrond in FotR.
- Gwaihir, the eagle who rescued Gandalf in FotR also appears in the hobbit.
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Not so, at least in the case of The Silmarillion. It was complete in time for release at the same time as LotR. In fact, Tolkien campaigned relentlessly for this, but the publisher held it back. The second edition of the Silmarillion includes a letter from Tolkien explaining exactly this (letter #131 if you have the collection). Pretty much the only thing Christopher did was correct factual errors.
The countless volumes of the Histories of Middle Earth, as well as Unfinished Tales were, as you said, just collections of things J.R.R. wrote and Christopher found and commented on. But The Silmarillion is complete and canon.
it was actually mentioned in the movie that he was over 80...
But only in the expanded DVD, IIRC.
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Yes. And Holm is unfortunately in the neighborhood of 70. In fact I think he's passed it.
It should be used as in the book - a harmless trinkit that makes Bilbo invisible. The story is not about the ring, which wasn't really in the picture as being this huge ring of power when Tolkien wrote the book. The story is about Biblo going from some weed-smoking country boy to an adventurer.
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As long as we don't have to listen to Elrond going on about how man can't handle things.
According to Appendix B of RotK, He was 90 at the beginning of the Fourth Age. He died in FA 120 at the age of 210.
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Other than a dragon attacking a whole city and a battle between elves, dwarves, goblins, men, and eagles. And the giant spiders. Can't forget the giant spiders. Oh yeah, there's also trolls. And more goblins. And a giant man/bear. But other than that, it's pretty dull.
If Jackson does cut the end from the Hobbit, would the title then be The Hobbit, or There and... ?
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When they showed the effect of the ring the first time, I thought
"You know, you would think Bilbo would have mentioned that eery, evil and terrifing effect."
I think if they tie what there wearer experience to the power of Sauron, they could explain it.
Show the effeect in the hobbit as a world thats only a little distorted. How they would work that in, I have no idea.
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Besides, being 80 with a lifespan of over 200 years puts him, relatively speaking, in his late thirties/early forties. Mr Mortensen is 45.
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Don't hold your breath. The only reason the LOTR and the Hobbit were/will be filmed is because Tolkien sold the movie rights while he was still alive.
Christopher Tolkien, who owns the rights to The Silmarillion (which was published by him after his father's death), has made abundantly clear how he feels about movie versions of his father's works. It's not a subject you want to bring up in his presence.
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I presume you mean The History of Middle-earth when you say the modern stuff from Christopher Tolkien. Not that modern in most cases! Some of it dates back to 1916/17! Not to everyone's taste, but the later volumes are very interesting, though difficult to read in places.
Sauron Defeated (vol 9) has the epilogue chapter to Lord Of The Rings that Tolkien's friends talked him out of including, Sam and Rosie in Bag End, (they tried and failed to talk him out of a lot of the appendices as well, to put it in context). There is also a half completed Time Travel story about Numenor that Tolkien wrote as a pact with C.S.Lewis called The Notion Club Papers. One was to write a time travel story (Tolkien) whilst the other (Lewis) was to do a space travel story. Lewis completed his, published as Out Of The Silent Planet. If you like Tolkien's languages, this has a lot about another one! It's Adunaic, the language of Numenor.
Morgoth's Ring and The War Of The Jewels (vols 10 and 11) have most of the stuff that Christopher used when he put The Silmarillion together, along with lots of other stuff, such as a debate between Finrod, the elvish king of Nargothrond, and Andreth, a mortal woman, that explores elvish immortality as well a showing a failed love story between an elf and a woman. This was to have been an appendix to a published Silmarillion. There is also various bits supposedly inserted into the Silmarillion by a 9th Century English sailor, who 'found' the book and met 'faded' elves! Also various bits about elves; their marriages, sexual equality, 'death', children etc etc.
These later volumes are definitely woth a look if you are interested in Tolkien's mythology. If you are interested, have a look here for what's in them all.