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Sims Online Presidential Campaign Shapes Up

Ant writes "Wired News has an article on a campaign for the presidency of Alphaville, the biggest city in The Sims Online. Two challengers will square off in a final primary for the opportunity to unseat Alphaville's incumbent president, the appropriately named Mr-President, in next month's general election."

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  1. Sim Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    I hear one candidate is already attacking the other because he believes there are WMD's in the Sim World.

  2. SIMS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY by bethane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do not have a right to free speech on games like "The Sims Online".

    These games are a privledge, and if the communities are outraged about censorship, or anything else, well they should fight with their money.

    Sidenote:
    This may not be the case with TSO, but i've noticed in many MMORPGS (think EQ), people are so addicted to it, despite the fact they hate the company that owns it, they continue to play it.

    They still piss and moan about it but they never actally cancel the game.

    Maybe thats what happened here.

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    1. Re:SIMS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY by redJag · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A democracy doesn't imply free speech.

    2. Re:SIMS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY by maxpublic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Democracy - Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives

      Not true. A democracy can easily become a dictatorship, a tyranny of the will of the majority over the minority. It'd be quite easy for a democracy to outlaw any speech it doesn't agree with, e.g., a fanatically religious democracy could outlaw any mention of atheism, or religions other than those approved of by the state, or any criticism of the state church.

      This is why our Founding Fathers were quite careful not to choose democracy but rather a limited, Constitutional form of republicanism for their new nation. So that a rabid, banal majority couldn't legally seize control of the government and use it to cruelly oppress the minority.

      Max

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  3. I'm surprised this even made Wired. by James+A.+J.+Joyce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The fact is, in The Sims Online, power doesn't lie so much with the presidents as with the houses of the most popular people. And, as in real life, the most popular households in TSO are those which are general bacchanalia houses bordering on brothels. So the presidency is more of a figurehead as opposed to an actual powerhouse.

    1. Re:I'm surprised this even made Wired. by mikeophile · · Score: 5, Funny

      So it's more like reality than we thought?

  4. Given previous stories about Alphaville... by InfinityWpi · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...One candidate has mob ties, the other will be caught having cybersex with an underaged prostitute, and a third will vanish from the campaign because EA doesn't like his ideas for cleaning up the game...

  5. SOCOM President by TheApocalypse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean i can run for president of the SOCOM world?

  6. Only two parties? by fuzzy12345 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With only two candidates running, there won't be much of a diversity of viewpoints, and they'll no doubt have virtually (grin) indistinguishable policies on everything, in the middle of the political spectrum.

    Art imitates life, I guess.

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    Everybody's a libertarian 'till their neighbour's becomes a crack house.
  7. Participation. by saintlupus · · Score: 5, Funny

    The sad thing is that there will probably be better voter turnout than for the US Presidential election in a few months.

    Sigh.

    --saint

  8. Democracy & Free Speech by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd argue that a democracy without freedom of speech is not a true democracy.

    If you can't speak freely, you can't expect to exchange information regarding the government - which means you're not able to freely cast an informed VOTE... in which case you have a sham democracy. QED.

    1. Re:Democracy & Free Speech by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True. But true democracies are rare.

      The United States, for example, has had to find ways to cut into political speech because it is possible to hijack it with access to media. That is, rich and poor were all allowed to speak, but the rich seemed to speak louder.

      (The poor sometimes got together to form "unions" to speak with a loud, united voice, but that, too, got hijacked by corrupt people, which cast an unpleasant pall over the entire concept, even when it's still executed well.)

      It appears that laws are never able to make a truly level, fair playing field, and therefore any democracy is going to be slanted one way or the other. The fact is you're still allowed to say whatever you want, but the louder you speak, the more likely it is the law will intervene. The laws are an unpleasant compromise.

    2. Re:Democracy & Free Speech by provolt · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Ever make you feel small when your vote (if you're not one of those "heavy 13" stats) really doesn't count if the other guy wins those states EC votes?


      While it is true that CA, NY, FL, etc. have a large number of electoral votes, it is actually the voters in the small states who have a greater influence. Even the Wyoming has only 3 electoral votes and California has 52, individuals in Wyoming have a great "share" of an electoral vote.

      3 electoral votes divided by poplulation of Wyoming, is greater than 52 electoral votes divided by the population of California.

      It would be interesting to see in which state voters have the greatest influence.

      provolt
  9. Excellent by barenaked · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excellent it is time for reform in the sim community... give it a break. I can't wait to hear the platforms of the running parties, especially the 16 year old..

  10. Forget the Sims - who's President of the Internet! by sgarrity · · Score: 5, Funny

    A friend of mine has laid claim to the title, President of the Internet. The rules are simple - whoever is the #1 result in a Google search for "President of the Internet" is the winner.

  11. Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean to tell me that George W. Bush isn't a simulated president?

    1. Re:Wait... by Imperator · · Score: 4, Funny

      How dare you even suggest that! The field of AI hasn't been as successful as some people might have hoped, but it's better than that.

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      Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
  12. SimCity by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does that mean whoever gets elected gets to play SimCity?

    1. Re:SimCity by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I certainly hope that someday game developers agree on a way to tie disparate titles together such that a single persistent universe contains nearly everything. You should be able to have a sims character who owns a rice burner and race it in NFS underground. His job could be military, and when he gets called, you play Doom (as he gets sucked into space or whatever) :)

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  13. Discrimination by inertia187 · · Score: 4, Funny

    From what I can tell, there's no Mac OS version of The Sims Online. I call that discrimination. When will we look past people's instruction set and network byte order and accept each-other as members of a community?

    They should also probably have a Commodore 64 version, but one injustice at a time.

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    A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
  14. how so? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most states are expected to have voter turnouts higher than 100%.

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  15. Yeah, but who counts the votes? by 0WaitState · · Score: 4, Funny

    I demand that The Sims either open source their voting system, or provide every voter a PKI-signed certificate record of their vote! Otherwise we will never be able to trust that the right gamer was elected, and civil chaos will result! The Sims could at least attempt to meet the standard we apply to these United States of ours, ... oh, wait.

    Never mind, go ahead and fix it like a game show.

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    Remain calm! All is well!
  16. Is this newsworthy? by Rexz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Thousands of small, self-elected Internet organisations with no power beyond their own membership elect leaders every day. I don't see how this story is any different from a medium sized EverQuest guild choosing a new leader or a discussion board adding a new moderator.

    This "Government" appears to have no control other than through the actions of 100 or so voluntary members who have no more power than a normal player. Using this election as a case study of such small, self-policing authorities is valid, but it has no more authenticity than the politics 10 year-old's Secret Agents club.

    1. Re:Is this newsworthy? by Kobayashi+Maru · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't know, somehow this fascinates me. I don't claim to be a psychologist, or sociologist, but there are some interesting ideas at work here.

      First, why has a significant portion of TSO (or any other online game) gravitated toward general elections? I know when I play games (and I rarely do), that one of the first things I try to do is find the bounds of the game. I try to shoot my team memebers, or drive through the buildings, or contruct buildings that spell out my name. I haven't played The Sims, but if I did, I would probably try to randomly attack someone, or see if they'll have sex with one another. And I think that's human nature -- to experiment.

      So why is it that the players discussed in this article are trying to graft the rules of our "the real world" onto a game? Is it experimentation? Have these players become bored with toying with the absurd limits of the game and are instead interested in finding the practical limits?

      Or are people trying this out of a feeling of detachment from the real world? Are people so frustrated with the current state of affairs that they are trying to establish a utopia of sorts in their online world?

      Is this a case of politically-minded people asserting themselves on an online world? And if so, are they politcal rejects (or the politically inexperienced) that would not otherwise flourish in the real world? And if either of those is the case, what of the participants of these elections? Can you then say that some people are comfortable plugging in to "the system?"

      I could go on and on. It's these questions that make me want to take a few psych classes. And it's these questions that prevent me from enjoying gaming. I can't help but analyze my every move. And by that time, my city has crumbled, or someone has shot me, or my unit has been outflanked. Kind of annoying!

  17. scr00 by __aaklfb6460 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps, we'll see for the first time the President screwing the first lady in Hot Date, on the love bed with the nude patch. :P

  18. US Goverment != Democracy by sadler121 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The US government was never intended to be a democracy. The founding fathers abhorred democracy equating it with "mob rule". Of course they didn't like Tyranny ether, obviously, or there would have been no revolution against England.

    The US government is a REPUBLIC, meaning that, instead of having authority given directly to the public, authority is given to a select few, who in turn run the government.

    In that way the American government is more modeled after Rome than it is Greece. But still, the constitution divides power between three branches of government, and with the separation of powers implied in the constitution, this allows for a sufficient security against one major voice rising up to silence the others.

    A little OT I think it is funny how Republicans are crying that the courts are acting out of line, in regards to homosexual marriage when, in reality, the courts are just doing its job.

    I also find it hilarious, and also striking that people dismay the courts because they are "un elected". IMO, that is the great strength of the courts and ESSIENTIAL to the balance of powers in the federal government. We need some branch of the government that is separated somewhat from the consent political, partisan bickering that the other two branches engage in daily.

  19. Re:Forget the Sims - who's President of the Intern by srcosmo · · Score: 4, Funny
    Well this is me voting against him:

    President of the Internet

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  20. Who trusts computer voting system results? by Phat_Tony · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who's going to trust the results of this election? Everyone knows computer voting systems aren't secure.

    At least the Alphaville ones probably weren't designed by Diebold.

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  21. No MMOG is a "privilege" by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Informative
    It is EA's privilege to have you as its customer. It is Square/Enix's privilege to have you as a customer. Etc. It is not a privilege for you to play their game(s).

    That is the fallacy of MMOGs. The companies that run the MMOGs treat their customers like it is a privilege to get to play their game. And sadly, the players/customers routinely take it in the ass with a confused smile on their face.

    For example, go to any popular MMOG forum and take note of the excessive complaining about all manner of game dynamics and routines. Most of the time, the people complaining would just like the game to be changed in some way, and these feelings are usually shared by the majority. Nevertheless, the most popular retort to any such complaint is something akin to "well it is Square's game, and if you don't like it than you don't have to play!". The extremely sad thing is, is that as customers you should expect a company to improve its product to the majority's wishes, and to fix bugs in a timely fashion, etc. But since such a huge user-base of customers without any self-worth exists, the MMOG companies continue to run their shops the way they do: with a complete disregard for customer satisfaction and product quality.

  22. did you hear the canidates' debate? by Cynikal · · Score: 5, Funny

    all it sounded like was blah-blah blah-blah to me...

  23. Negative campaigning... by stevobi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe I'm just simical, but I expect that most campaigns will resort to MUDslinging...

  24. RTFA by MustardMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you bothered to RTFA, you'd see that the "government" was formed primarily as a way to help protect new players from getting suckered by scam artists. They aren't trying to graft "real world" rules into the game - they are trying to keep people from pissing off all the new players and making them quit. It's the same reason a lot of guilds are formed in other MMORPGs.

  25. The Question here is.... by slappyjack · · Score: 5, Funny

    So if Simland is formaing faux governments, does this mark the beginning of the online nation state?

    Will the arise of virtual nation states become the same quagmiritic mess of so-called diplomatic relations that exists in the real world today?

    If so, then will these diplomatic relations between online communities breakdown and become virtual online hostilities?

    Should all of this happen, I'd put my money on Everquest kicking the shit out of Sims Online, using the simoleans to bloat an ever increasing warchest, turning the peoples of Alphaville into nothing but a nation of slaves used for bizzare Orcish sexual practices, and rolling on to conquer even more virtual online lands.

    Even after conquering the majority of the internets online lands, The majority of our new internet masters will still remain savagely unlaid.

    (I'm very aware that I used the word "faux," and I'm not sorry for it.
    Nor am I sorry for the cheap shot I took at Everquest players.)