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OED Science Fiction Database Updated

solferino writes "The Oxford English dictionary commenced a project back in 2001 (Slashdot report) to solicit reader citations of the earliest uses of science fiction words. The most recent OED newsletter covers the progress of the project, which has its own site hosted on a FreeBSD box running a MySQL database engine. An interesting graph on the site shows date of word origin by decade. Surprisingly recent words featured on the site are /avatar/ (1990 - in the VR sense) and /morph/ (1993) - unless the Slashdot readership can report earlier uses?"

267 comments

  1. War stimulates the imagination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just a bizarre peak around 1940's.

    Bombs falling, V2 rockets, mad dash for jet fighters... not surprising the entire culture is leaping into the future.

    Scary shit, actually.

    1. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by grub · · Score: 2, Offtopic


      Hopefully our descendents won't look back and say "Bizarre peaks around the 1940's and early 2000's..."

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    2. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by Nakito · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That is a good observation and perhaps not bizarre at all. I think it might be even more basic to say that "war stimulates technology" and that, as a consequence, "war stimulates vocabulary." This is because new technologies generate their own terms of art, buzzwords, and jargon. Think of all the words and phrases that were coined to describe each aspect of those technologies that you identified -- launch pad, blast shield, telemetry, sound barrier, ejection seat, etc.

    3. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by john82 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is a good observation and perhaps not bizarre at all. I think it might be even more basic to say that "war stimulates technology" and that, as a consequence, "war stimulates vocabulary." This is because new technologies generate their own terms of art, buzzwords, and jargon. Think of all the words and phrases that were coined to describe each aspect of those technologies that you identified -- launch pad, blast shield, telemetry, sound barrier, ejection seat, etc.

      Although one might say they're actually acronyms, these are also examples of "war stimulates vocabulary":

      radar
      fubar
      snafu
      jeep (from GP for "general purpose")
      GI (Govt Issue)

    4. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by davez0r · · Score: 1

      i thought GI stood for "General Infantry". or am i nub?

    5. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by bigattichouse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Language affects the way you think. The only way to effectively advance a technological curve is to create new language/taxonomy... which also the affects your thinking, your culture.. I imagine once the language/tech reaches a certain point in adoption and common use (jets in your example), then the pace of change slows - as would the addition of new verbage... hmm,theres a sociology paper in that thought. (Either proving or disproving the hypothesis)

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    6. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by katarac · · Score: 1

      Government Issue Joe. A real American hero. GO JOE!!!

    7. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by anagama · · Score: 1


      Actually, looks like 2000 will just about make it to the level of 1900 by decade's end. In other words, 2000-2010 is going to be a serious valley. Must be all the reality programming.

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    8. Re:War stimulates the imagination? by JohnGalt00 · · Score: 2, Informative

      from Wiki : ...GI was originally an abbreviation for Galvanized Iron, a US army clerks' term for items such as trash cans (which are galvanized), but later the abbreviation transformed to stand for "Government Issue"--all articles issued in conformity with US military regulations or procedures. Still later the abbreviation transformed to refer to US soldiers themselves

  2. well.... by SisyphusShrugged · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wouldnt classify avatar and morph as "science fiction" words persay. Rather it might be more logical to classify them as "scientific" or "technological", because they are not just used in fiction but rather in everyday speech to refer to real things...

    1. Re:well.... by some_schmuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yah, and I don't think I'd qualify "persay" as a word, per se.

    2. Re:well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bit offtopic, but anyone remembers a graphics language named 'avatar' used in the BBS days?

    3. Re:well.... by IO+ERROR · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think we're looking at words here that were first used in science fiction, and then moved into more general use.

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    4. Re:well.... by lrucker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They're looking for words coined in SF, and existing words which picked up new meanings from SF.

    5. Re:well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The word 'avatar' is actually a sanskrit word defined as follows: SYLLABICATION: avatar NOUN: 1. The incarnation of a Hindu deity, especially Vishnu, in human or animal form. 2. An embodiment, as of a quality or concept; an archetype: the very avatar of cunning. 3. A temporary manifestation or aspect of a continuing entity: occultism in its present avatar. ETYMOLOGY: Sanskrit avatra, descent (of a deity from heaven), avatar : ava, down + tarati, he crosses; see ter-2 in Appendix I.

    6. Re:well.... by OldBaldGuy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Avatar shows up in Roger Zelazny's "Lord of Light" in 1967. It's used in the PR (physical reality, heh!) sense of changing bodies at whim.

    7. Re:well.... by robslimo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first use of 'avatar' in Sci-fi that I know of is Poul Anderson's 1978 novel The Avatar, ISBN: 0722111312

      The usage was not strictly VR in the sense we know it today, but awfully close.

    8. Re:well.... by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More precisely, they're looking for first *science-fiction* uses of words whose *science-fiction* uses have since migrated to general use. Otherwise they would not have included "avatar," which has a more general meaning in Sanskrit that was borrowed into English before it developed its non-mythological uses.

    9. Re:well.... by Erratio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This project and conversation needs refinement. Both of those words are not only part of standard vocabulary, their meanings haven't been changed. Actually citing a first date for their use is slightly absurd, since they're just pre-existing terms which have become somewhat standard in a specific new field. A brief history of significant usage would be more accurate (not only inside Sci-Fi but also related to it). A short description of the chain which led the words from their original contexts to their Sci-Fi ones. "Avatar" for instance was aroudn in earlier video games (like Ultima), and I'd wager was used in pen and paper RPG's before that, all of which wuold have led to it's entry into Sci-Fi. "Case" is a computer term but it would be pointlessly foolish to cite the first time someone used it in that context.

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    10. Re:well.... by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 1

      However, you're missing the point. This project is solely concerned with the appearance of the word in a science fiction context. The term 'avatar' in the sense of a virtual representation of a user in a virtual world is certainly derivative of its theological purpose (and strikingly accurate, frankly) but it is also certainly a new stage in its evolution.

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    11. Re:well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Per se nazi.

    12. Re:well.... by pankajsethi · · Score: 0
      FYI, avatar in its current usage is derived from a Hindi word meaning "an incarnation of a deity".

      Check out lint at m-w.com:
      • http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionar y&va=avatar+&x=18&y=17
    13. Re:well.... by alex_tibbles · · Score: 1

      It's used in the PR (physical reality, heh!) sense of changing bodies at whim.
      ... which is what it meant before - avatars are incarnations of gods in physical, eg. human, form. Gods are allowed to change their minds :)

  3. Not to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nukes, rubber substitutes, better explosives,...

    Nothing like a world war to stimulate the imagination.

  4. nice graph by mix_master_mike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This story isn't that interesting... In any regard the graph does spark some thought. What accounts for the explosion of new words in the 30's/40's (pun sort of intended). I would have guessed the 20's would have been a more popular time.

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    1. Re:nice graph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the war of the worlds in 1938?

    2. Re:nice graph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long before he regrets making that graph in a CGI? /. anyone...

    3. Re:nice graph by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      Well, Prohibition was between 1919 and 1933.

  5. Morph by kahei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can remember this word (in the sense of transform into another shape) from Scientific American articles of the late 80s. I wonder if that counts.

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    1. Re:Morph by robsimmon · · Score: 1

      Morph was definitely in use in computer animation circles pre 1993. It made big splash in Michael Jackson's "Black or White" video in November 1991. I'm sure the term was in use before then.

    2. Re:Morph by Enahs · · Score: 1

      Lord Valentine's Castle was published in 1979, and featured a shapeshifting race known as the Metamorphs.

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    3. Re:Morph by zoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Morph Files was early Aardman animation, with clay characters that could easily, well, morph from one shape to another as the story required. The first production is from 1980.

      to the Aardman site

    4. Re:Morph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was definitely used in the production of Willow (1988).

    5. Re:Morph by LordDax · · Score: 1

      Villian and X-Men. Was one of my favorite characters. Sinister recreated his DNA after his death in the first excursion with the recreated X-Men team against the Mutant Registration Center/Act. Yeah,your right, i am a fanboy :P

    6. Re:Morph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can remember this word (in the sense of transform into another shape) from Scientific American articles of the late 80s. I wonder if that counts.

      It goes back to Shakespeare. It's used in his little known 1 act play The Giver:
      Giver: Come hither that I might insert thee godly manhood into your smelly netherregions.

      Taker: Aye, slide thee godly manhook into thy quivering buttocks that I may later morph them to unholy size.
    7. Re:Morph by Thagg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Somebody at Stanford has done research into the word 'morph'. It came into widespread use with the debut of Michael Jackson's Black or White video of 1991. I wrote the software for that video at PDI (Pacific Data Images) in 1990, and presented it at Siggraph in 1992.

      Interestingly, ILM was pushing hard for the alternative 'morf' spelling, and we spent considerable effort seeding our preferred 'morph' spelling into the trade press. Fortunately for us, we were working on music videos and television commercials that showed off the technique well, and ILM only used their tool for a few shots in a few movies.

      I think that Black or White is still the most impressive morph ever done -- probably because we spent about six person-months refining it. Jamie Dixon and Amie Slate did the bulk of the work for that video.

      Thad Beier

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    8. Re:Morph by misterpies · · Score: 4, Informative

      >>Somebody at Stanford has done research into the word 'morph'. It came into widespread use with the debut of Michael Jackson's Black or White video of 1991. I wrote the software for that video at PDI (Pacific Data Images) in 1990, and presented it at Siggraph in 1992.

      Maybe in the US. Here in the UK, a generation of kids grew up with Morph - he was a shape-shifting plasticine stop-motion animated character created in 1980. In fact, Morph was the very first creation of Aardman Animations, who went on to produce Wallace & Grommit and Chicken Run. Learn (slightly) more at http://www.aardman.com/showcase/amazing.html.

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    9. Re:Morph by Standfast · · Score: 1

      I was at Silicon Graphics in 1991 when I heard the word "morph" for the first time, and interestingly, it was in connection with the "Black or White" video. I was about to make a post to that effect, but now I'll just (enthusiastically) support Thad Beier's comments.

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      -David Watson.

    10. Re:Morph by valderost · · Score: 1

      I remember first hearing the word "morph" in conjunction with the movie Terminator 2. IMDB says this would be around that same timeframe, 1991 or so. Unfortunately it would take a little more effort than I've got time for to produce a citation.

    11. Re:Morph by Thagg · · Score: 1

      There was a use of the word 'morph' in Scientific American, in 1991 I believe, describing the work done in both T2 and Black or White.

      And certainly the storyboards of T2, created in late 1989 or early 1990, were full of references to 2D and 3D morphs. We were bidding on things that we had no idea how were were going to accomplish -- but that is something we did on every job (and still do today.)

      thad

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    12. Re:Morph by devnulljapan · · Score: 2, Informative
      Go back further than that: Morph was a claymation character on a BBC kids TV show in the late 70s.

      "In the beginning there was modelling clay. And from the clay came forth Morph a 6" high terracotta person with the ability to 'morph' into inumerable forms but who mostly stayed true to his original human-like form. Morph lived in a wooden artbox on the desk of tv artist and presenter Tony Hart and originally appeared in Tony's BBC art series Take Hart..."

    13. Re:Morph by tolldog · · Score: 1

      I see a picture or two of it sitting around our office. Did not know that was you...

      I had always been impressed by that morph, even before I knew I wanted to get into computer graphics.

      -Tim

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    14. Re:Morph by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Morph as a _root_ is very old (we're talking at least a couple of millenia
      here), but I don't remember its being used as a verb in the English language
      in its current sense much before the early-to-mid nineties.

      Can you find the specific articles in Scientific American that you're thinking
      about? If they use "morph" as a verb in its current sense, they might count
      as an earlier use of the term.

      The etymology of "morph" is of course straightforward, and we've had other
      words in the English language that use the root for a while (e.g. morphology,
      metamorphosis, ...), but the question is about "morph" as a word with its
      current meaning.

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    15. Re:Morph by bfree · · Score: 1

      For me the word Morph is a name, and the name of that Aardman creation. I'm not from the UK but from Ireland where we also get BBC. 1980 sure outdates 1991 and Morph certainly did morph, just not digitally! I definetly think the date on the record should be 1980. Is it sci-fi, I'd say so, just way after it's time and for kids! And because a is worth 1000 clicks, http://www.aardman.com/showcase/amazing.html.

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    16. Re:Morph by Alan+Cox · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the UK at least every small child knew the world "Morph" back in the 1970's. Morph was a plasticine animation who would indeed turn into other things.

      I've no idea where the "morph" of sci-fi came from but perhaps too much BBC childrens TV ?

      (http://mag.awn.com/index.php?article_no=1438)

    17. Re:Morph by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Morphing" was introduced to Hollywood in 1988's Willow (for petrification special effects). (Search on that page for "ILM")

      It was a magic-spell effect... therefore it should be considered related to Gary Gygax's use of the "polymorph" spell in 1974's Dungeons and Dragons.

    18. Re:Morph by wkitchen · · Score: 1

      The 1988 movie "Willow" has some good early examples of morphing. One of the "special features" on my Willow DVD has a fellow named Doug Smythe talking about working on morphing software in 1987. It also mentions the "morf" vs. "morph" contention at ILM. Though it contains some interviews recorded around the time of the movie, the feature appears to have been put together some time later, so it still isn't really clear whether the term was used back then. But it does establish that the technique dates back at least to 1987.

      Also, I could have sworn I had seen the word "morph" used in conjunction with some early Amiga animation software. So I googled "Amiga morph Aegis Animator" and found this archived fidonet post dated 17 March 1986 that mentions a "morph-hook" tool. Not sure if that's really related though.

    19. Re:Morph by Heisenbug · · Score: 1

      This is wildly off topic, but do you know anything about the fake-3d morph effect used by Michel Gondry in the Rolling Stones video around that time? I think it was also a siggraph-presented technique used to mimic flyovers of off-limits airspace. I would love love love to be able to play with that software. Is there anything like that that's made it into low budget/open source hands? And have you got any war stories about it? :)

    20. Re:Morph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, my earlier posting didn't get voted up (at all). But back in 1988 (I looked it up) the original Nintendo Metroid game featured a main character Samus Aran who could roll into a "morph" ball. So late 80's is at least established as an earlier point of use.

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    21. Re:Morph by kahei · · Score: 1

      Morph as a _root_ is very old (we're talking at least a couple of millenia
      here),


      Considering that it's greek, it's presumably just a tad older than that.

      but I don't remember its being used as a verb in the English language
      in its current sense much before the early-to-mid nineties.


      In a 'Mathematical Recreations' column by A K Dewdney in 1986, I think it's used in the current sense but as a noun -- that usage seems not to have lasted.

      The etymology of "morph" is of course straightforward, and we've had other
      words in the English language that use the root for a while (e.g. morphology,
      metamorphosis, ...), but the question is about "morph" as a word with its
      current meaning.


      I know. I understand the question, I understand etymology (better than you, at least), and I can remember the use of 'morph' as a verb in the present sense from before the 90s. I am taking the time to reply because I like sneering at people who write content-free _yet patronizing_ posts (hey, everyone's got to have a hobby.) The phenomenon of completely uninformed but very confident advice, often terribly well meant, has a strange and ghastly fascination for me.

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  6. Morph by gcore · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember Morph being an oooold X-men villain, like late 70s or early 80s.
    And his mutant ability was that he was a shapeshifter. He could morph into just about anything.

  7. Avatar from Ultima games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think its "VR" but the 1980s Ultima series adventure games used Avatar to describe your character.

    1. Re:Avatar from Ultima games by bcolflesh · · Score: 1

      Interesting thoughts on the genesis of the Avatar.

    2. Re:Avatar from Ultima games by orac2 · · Score: 1

      You should send that in -- video games could well be a mine of early citations they haven't been looking at.

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    3. Re:Avatar from Ultima games by Unnngh! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think that's the same usage...rather, it's an oblique reference to the incarnation of a god in human form. The game prophecies that the avatar would continually return to rescue the world from peril.

    4. Re:Avatar from Ultima games by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damn I need to increase the size of the font on my screen .. I read "rescue the world from peril" as "rescue the world from perl".

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    5. Re:Avatar from Ultima games by WWWWolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wouldn't think so. Let's see how Virtuous we can find Perl:

      • Humility: Perl fails here, as everyone knows Hubris - striving to write programs that are good so that no one can find anything to complain, and getting people to praise the author for good hackery - is the virtue of Perl programmers.
      • Compassion: Likewise, Laziness and Impatience could lead to lack of compassion. Also, fans of the language - well, any programming language - tend to ignore and belittle other languages, showing certain lack of understanding.
      • Sacrifice: Getting better. Perl makes it easy to sacrifice any part of the design goals (be it readability, efficiency, maintainability, portability or whatever) to enhance others.
      • Honor: The openness and open-source ideas lead to honorific use of the language and libraries, even the sharing of source code.
      • Justice: Open Source, of course, leads to un-be-lieveable rantfests in Slashdot YRO and other sites that discuss the nassss-ty laws and such. Using Perl develops the sense of justice.
      • Valor: Who wouldn't feel valorous with a powerful programming language in their hands? Even the mightiest and most difficult programming tasks seem simple. Onward!
      • Spirituality: Put some rabid Perl geeks and Python geeks in the same room and come count the bodies the next day. Unwavering faith here, folks.
      • Honesty: "Yes, I know this language sucks. It just sucks less than other languages."

      That's six out of eight?

      (Note: The above analysis is not accurate and contains severe vague interpretations of the true natures of the Eight Virtues. Don't take this as a guide if you are going to play U4 some day.)

  8. And we all know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    no one would care about this article unless the obligatory OS it is running on comment is made.

    *sigh*

    1. Re:And we all know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no one would care about this article unless the obligatory OS it is running on comment is made.

      Yeah, and I'll read the article when it mentions ogg.

  9. Missing words by drsmack1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I searched for but could not find:

    Bite my shiny metal ass

    its full of stars

    Spock, why does your underwear have three legs?

    I don't think that this project is complete yet.

  10. Here's a mirror of the graph... by tcopeland · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:Here's a mirror of the graph... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUCK OFF, Tommy St. Cockbreath, you karmawhoring trollboy. No one gives a shit.

      Apparently, you do.

  11. Hmmm by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are they saying morph was not used until 1993? morph

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this one count too?

    2. Re:Hmmm by jacksdl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, unless it's in print (paper, dead trees) it can't be used. That's what it says in the story.

      If the term was this commonly used back in the 80's, you should just find a printed example. Granted, it's harder than using Google -- but think of the satisfaction!

    3. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't it used in some of the old Robo-Tech books?

  12. MySql vs Slashdot by manganese4 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wonder how Mysql will handle the slashdot load? With luck we can get a performance statement from the site owners

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    1. Re:MySql vs Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder how Mysql will handle the slashdot load

      Well, it seems to handle Slashdot well enough.

    2. Re:MySql vs Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..which has its own site hosted on a FreeBSD box running a MySQL database engine.

      If I were to visit a site running anything less than FreeBSD or Linux, I'm sure my Tux blow-up doll would suddenly come to life and kill me for supporting the Evil Empire(TM). Thank god it's running FreeBSD and this fact isn't completely irrelevant to the article. I just hope netcraft can confirm this. Someone, for god's sake find out.

      Obligatory part: Of course it's running FreeBSD. Wind0ze would have cr4$h'd-n-burnz0red by now. lol.

    3. Re:MySql vs Slashdot by utlemming · · Score: 1
      Yes. Here is the Netcraft report.
      The site www.jessesword.com is running Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.14 OpenSSL/0.9.7b mod_perl/1.27 on FreeBSD.

      Further, it has been running FreeBSD since 19 February 2003, and prior to that ran Open/NetBSD from October 2002.

      God bless Netcraft.

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    4. Re:MySql vs Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it didn't; the jessesword.com site always ran FreeBSD. Before 19 Feb. 2003 the domain name was hosted by a NetBSD-running site, which simply redirected to whatever dynamic DNS address that jessesword.com happened to be at at the time.

    5. Re:MySql vs Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's handled everything quite nicely. The load average peaked at about 1.2, shortly after the original story was posted on the /. front page, and now it's down to .11 or so.



      And this is with everything being generated dynamically, including the graph.

  13. Cool technology for the future by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the future, these sites will be a great tool. Imagine in 100-200 years, there will be a map of the English language that is traceable to a degree not currently possible, and we'll all understand language patterns better. I have heard that something like 10% of Shakespeare is completely lost in translation due to changes in the language, so one can only imagine what a resource like this will be able to provide for future generations -- hopefully, there won't be as much cultural reinvention (i.e. the printing press: China -> Europe)

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    1. Re:Cool technology for the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trust me, the other 90% of Shakespeare doesn't make much sense in it's original language anyway...

    2. Re:Cool technology for the future by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      which has its own site hosted on a FreeBSD box running a MySQL database engine
      and
      Imagine in 100-200 years

      So much for a dieing OS. What about when this guys HD blows out or he stops updating the site?

    3. Re:Cool technology for the future by steveit_is · · Score: 1

      Like any of these modern websites will be around in a hundred years. Go ahead and try to find it in ten years. I dare you. They wont be gone because of paper rot, they will be gone because no one will care once whatever replaces the internet replaces the internet.

    4. Re:Cool technology for the future by Reducer2001 · · Score: 1
      something like 10% of Shakespeare is completely lost in translation

      Yeah, those English to English translations will always have problems.

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    5. Re:Cool technology for the future by paughsw · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but shakespear doesn't fully achieve it's highest glory unless it's written in it's orginal klingon

    6. Re:Cool technology for the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine in 100-200 years [snip] we'll all understand language patterns better.

      Give me a call then and we'll see.

  14. Massive spending on R&D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It wasn't the war exactly.

    It was the massive spending on R&D.

    There was plenty of new development involved in the trips to the moon.

    Some of the best "words" developed in the 1960s probably involved personal research and LSD trips.

    1. Re:Massive spending on R&D by jamshid42 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call a visit to the moon as controlling it. Controlling the moon would imply a continued presence, and the rubbish left behind doesn't count. In my opinion, in order to be in a position to control the moon, you need something of a defense/attack capability, whether manned or unmanned.

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  15. Tony Hart's "Morph" by David_R · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Morph" was a clay-mation character who appeared on UK kids tv from 1978 onwards. He was animated by Aardman Animations (who later went on to make "Wallace and Gromit" and "Chicken Run") and appeared on shows with Tony Hart (recently interviewed by b3ta)

  16. Religion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wasn't one of the functions of religion to explain scientific systems and phenomena? Weren't the stories of Gods on Olympus essentially science fiction for the audiences of the time? The observable forces of nature, as best understood at the time, duking it out for entertainment and fantasy purposes, but also closely tied with what was a more-or-less best-guess of scientific principals.

    My question-- where do you draw the line between "science fiction" and mythology/religion?

    1. Re:Religion... by prgrmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My question-- where do you draw the line between "science fiction" and mythology/religion?

      By determining the focus and intent of the stories. Those using religion to explain and/or using the explanations to promote religion are clearly not science fiction.

      A more general point to ponder is that the key word is "science", not "fiction".

    2. Re:Religion... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      And the word science is completely contextual as well .. look at how much "science" of today would have been dismissed as "fiction" 100 years ago.

      The mythology of the Greeks and Romans was in part their science of their day.

      *That* was the point of the original poster.

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    3. Re:Religion... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      There is no line.

      Look up the book "The Hero with a thousand faces" by Joseph Campbell.
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    4. Re:Religion... by prgrmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the word science is completely contextual as well .. look at how much "science" of today would have been dismissed as "fiction" 100 years ago.

      Hardly any. String theory perhaps. Maybe superconductors, although most scientist in 1904 were equiped with the basics to be able to be brought to an understanding about it. Heck, the fabled "fifth state of matter", the bose-einstein condensate was postulated 80 years ago. 550 years ago Da Vinci was drawing helicopters!

      The mythology of the Greeks and Romans was in part their science of their day. *That* was the point of the original poster.

      It was a poor point when he made it and it is still a poor point backed with a poor example when you make it.

    5. Re:Religion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I draw the line at "the earth is really this big giant dude that is sleeping and Finland is one of his toes."

    6. Re:Religion... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      look at how much "science" of today would have been dismissed as "fiction" 100 years ago.

      Hardly any.


      Bwahaha. Dark matter / dark energy. A fundamental limit on speed. Branes. Particles carrying force. Quantuum Mechanics as a whole provides literally dozens of examples; quantuum branching as a basis for single-state computation is an /existing/ /tool/ which would have been dismissed as (ahem) poppycock back as recently as when we were figuring out nuclear weapons.

      Sedna and Nemesis. Cloning and genetic manipulation, either for warfare or medicine. Holographic displays (which were used in video games as early as 1988.) Bug nerves on circuits. Food supplements for smarter children. Waste generating electricity. Yarn spun from microtubular chains of carbon, so strong that it can lift things into space despite its own enormous weight.

      Life under the frozen crust of europa, probes drilling for clue, fears of contamination of alien biospheres with terrestrial organisms. Using greenhouse gasses to terraform mars. Finding the mutations in the genome that seperated us from the apes. Watching the natural geysers super-erupt and destroy whole states. Transparent versions of traditionally opaque building materials and their impacts on design.

      Theories on extraplanetary events causing domestic tragedies. Flexible monitors on low power consumption used as wallpaper. Cryogenic reanimation. Commercial exploitation of space. Mechanical neuroelectrical signal correction.

      Oh, and need I point out that the robots which we were all smugly pointing out wouldn't be real household tools for another century in the 90s, which seemed so tired and ridiculous a concept in the 80s largely due to its overuse on cartoons in the 70s are currently being made by Sony, Hitachi, Honda and Toyota, and they're starting to do things like reliably respond to voice commands, to carry things, and other good old-people support tasks?

      Those are almost all either classic Sci-Fi plots or things that would have been dismissed as ridiculous before their discovery (especially the speed limit at C.) And that's just slashdot science this week. Is it science you don't know well, or science fiction?

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  17. Morph! by FrostedWheat · · Score: 1

    From the creaters of Wallace and Gromit, Morph! A cheeky bit of plastercine. More a name than a word, but he could 'morph' into lots of shapes. And this was back in 1980!

  18. Avatar by Crusty+Oldman · · Score: 1

    I used to subscribe to a commercial BBS named 'Avatar' around 1986.

  19. paper? by potaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of the dates seem awfully late. For instance, for "cloaking device" they list 1996(!) and 1981 editions of books, while mentioning that, oh hey, Star Trek may have used the phrase "cloaking device" in the sixties, but we'd need to see the script to verify.

    I don't understand: why does a usage have to be on paper to count for this project?

    1. Re:paper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having something on paper makes it more clear when it's from.

    2. Re:paper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think they're saying it needs to be on paper, they're just saying they need to verify it past the level of "hey, this guy who's got every Star Trek episode memorized says it in S3E4".

    3. Re:paper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Probably because that's the standard for the Oxford English Dictionary, as started by the Victorians.

      The original project was not simply (hah) to collect every word in usage in the English language, but to trace the evolution of meaning of each single word from its first recorded use on paper to its current day usage. A vast team of volunteers and paid members produced and selected quotations from verifiable documents that illustrated the changing meaning of every single word throughout its recorded existance.

      The Dictionary in OED is somewhat of an understatement. But then, we talk not merely of the English, but of the Victorian English.

    4. Re:paper? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      Best thing to do then is to find the old Star Trek novelizations James Blish did. He did every single episode.

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    5. Re:paper? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > I don't understand: why does a usage have to be on paper to count for this
      > project?

      When a word passes out of the realm of slang and into the realm of general
      mainstream vocabulary, it starts showing up in print sources. I strongly
      suspect that "cloaking device" will be located in print sources dating back
      to the sixties, because Star Trek was sufficienly popular that people would
      have picked up the term there and used it elsewhere. But yes, the OED is
      put together with the sort of thoroughness you expect from Oxford, and so of
      course they have to see actual evidence of the term being used in print. In
      the case of "cloaking device", I'm pretty sure said evidence will turn up.

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    6. Re:paper? by bfree · · Score: 1

      You'ld think someone would have at least found a copy of the script or book for Empire Strikes Back (Film, 1980) where they say "They can't have disappeared. No ship that small has a cloaking device." Someone must still have a copy of that book or script around in print (don't know where mine went)!

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  20. don't these people use google groups? by millia · · Score: 2, Informative

    without much work, i found an *ancient* use of the word morph, as a verb.
    google groups
    of course, these may very well not match OED definitions of a good citation, but i would think you could then compare to other sources, like news papers and magazines.
    it is exciting (being both a computer and language/words geek) to see such a project, though. it will surely keep the pressure on the OED to modernize and improve, as well as to accept other kinds of citations.

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    1. Re:don't these people use google groups? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      usenet is not a print source, so I don't think it's admissible. Mailing list
      traffic certainly wouldn't be admissible, as letters aren't and so email is
      essentially the same sort of thing, and definitely very informal. The thinking
      here is that when a word starts to pass from the realm of slang into the realm
      of mainstream vocabulary, it starts being used in print.

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  21. Early 2000's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hahaha.

    WWII was fought against a axis that used military might. The new agenda means beating up a bunch of poor people who's only weapons are terror and suicide.

    A whole lot of new words to describe political manipulation of entire societies? yeah...

  22. +5, Ironic by DoNotTauntHappyFunBa · · Score: 1

    Yah, and I don't think I'd qualify "persay" as a word, per se.

    I don't think I'd qualify "Yah" as a word, either.

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    1. Re:+5, Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to spoil the joke.

  23. Morph's historic appeareance in SF by rafael_es_son · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone knows the word Morph's first use in science fiction can be traced back to Lord Albiron's 1929 novel "Danger, Danger High voltage." Quoting from the 3rd edition (Bantam), p. 33, 3rd paragraph :

    "Blast it Timmy!, that durn George Bush specimen has morphed into some kind dumb ass nucular monkey. They must be running some kind of avatar process on him."

    I'll never forget the first time i read that.

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    1. Re:Morph's historic appeareance in SF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful, come on, did you mods even read the comment? It's a joke, try reading it (again?)

    2. Re:Morph's historic appeareance in SF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      INSIGHTFUL??!!!

      That was a JOKE. Mod it funny or leave it alone.

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    3. Re:Morph's historic appeareance in SF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think it was actually used before that, in the 1913 novel "Mods on crack."
      To wit:
      "Through the hallucinogenic effect of avatars on the moderators, less than witty joke posts morphed into insightful ones."

  24. how to get a story accepted by corbettw · · Score: 1

    The most recent OED newsletter covers the progress of the project, which has its own site hosted on a FreeBSD box running a MySQL database engine.

    Ah yes, it's not enough to simply point to an "interesting" story (whether this one qualifies or not is debatable). You have to mentioned that the potential Slashdot victim is running some sort of OSS.

    Seriously, is it newsworthy that these guys are running their little show on FreeBSD and MySQL? Besides which, I couldn't find anything on their site which actually says "we're running FreeBSD and MySQL." So not only is it immaterial, it's also possibly wrong.

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    1. Re:how to get a story accepted by benedict · · Score: 1

      It may or may not be immaterial, but it's not wrong.

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    2. Re:how to get a story accepted by mamba-mamba · · Score: 1

      The main article stated clearly that the system is running FreeBSD. You must have skimmed over that paragraph too fast. ;-)

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    3. Re:how to get a story accepted by millia · · Score: 1

      It's in the main article on the OED site. Plain as day.

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    4. Re:how to get a story accepted by psychosystem · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've got firsthand info from the man cited in the 5th paragraph (David Griffin) as to the validity of the OSS Software being used for both the OS and the DB. He is my co-worker and friend before that, and is not lying about his use of OSS. Furthermore, this is one of the few sites that's been slashdotted without being brought to it's knees, so that's got to say something?? :)

      Apparently, Dave received word from the site owner (his friend is the cited editor of the OED) about his 5 minutes of fame on /. ... Apparently the server is doing just fine; processor load is a bit high but it's reponsive.

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  25. Disney's "Morph" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Morph" was also the lovable pink shapeshifting parrot alien from Disney's "Treasure Planet" who in this picture looks like he's auditioning for a Fark photoshop contest.

    And by the way, how'd you turn off the bracketed "[toonhound.com]" that should have appeared next to your link? Hmm.

    1. Re:Disney's "Morph" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how'd you turn off the bracketed "[toonhound.com]" that should have appeared next to your link?

      untick "Display Link Domains" in your profile (you will need to log in or create an account)

      welcome to slashdot

    2. Re:Disney's "Morph" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks!

  26. The word Morph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I don't know where I read this but:
    "Morph [toonhound.com]" was a clay-mation character who appeared on UK kids tv from 1978 onwards. He was animated by Aardman Animations (who later went on to make "Wallace and Gromit" and "Chicken Run") and appeared on shows with Tony Hart
    Also From the creaters of Wallace and Gromit, Morph [aardman.com]! A cheeky bit of plastercine. More a name than a word, but he could 'morph' into lots of shapes. And this was back in 1980!

    1. Re:The word Morph by Orne · · Score: 1

      You know, I could have sworn I saw that somewhere too... like on Slashdot about 8 comments up from this one.

    2. Re:The word Morph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy cow...who moderated this as "Interesting"?
      I did this as an AC troll.
      I cut-and-pasted two previous comments from within this same story!

      I expected to be modded "-1 Troll" or similar for a quick laugh, but I refresh the page, and I've been modded to "+1 Interesting"??? C'mon....I'm embarassed to be a troll.

  27. Satan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The orignial meaning of the name Satan was adversary, opponent, etc...

    But the name has morphed over time and now it just seems to mean evil demon or somesuch.

  28. Roots of words by CFTM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's really fascinating to do some exploritory research in to where various words in the english language are really derived. For example, the word person comes from the greek word personae, which means mask. Strange at first but once one realizes that in the greek tragedy's the actors wore "personae" to depict a certain character. The natural evolution was the adaptation of the word to represent an individual. Language has this tendency to move from concrete to abstract, some may feel this is offtopic but I think it's important to understand where our words come from. It helps you understand the memtic nature of a culture quite a bit more.

    1. Re:Roots of words by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Funny you should mention Greek; "morph" also comes from Greek. (Not sure about
      avatar; that one might come from Latin; it doesn't sound Greek to me.)

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  29. Android? by Kirijini · · Score: 1

    "android (n.) antedating 1727 (From the Chambers Cyclopedia)"

    What? Who in 1727 came up with the idea of an android (ie, a robot in the form of a human)? And how, considering that "robot" wasn't thought up to the early 1900s? I wish the site was a bit more specific about such an oddity in their listing.

    1. Re:Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, the idea of an artificial being who's form resembles a human goes all the way back to the ancient greeks. Not too suprising then that someone came up with the word android in 1727....

    2. Re:Android? by esswedl · · Score: 1

      What? Who in 1727 came up with the idea of an android (ie, a robot in the form of a human)?

      Scottish alchemist Albertus Magnus. (Google cache)

    3. Re:Android? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 4, Informative
      What? Who in 1727 came up with the idea of an android (ie, a robot in the form of a human)? And how, considering that "robot" wasn't thought up to the early 1900s? I wish the site was a bit more specific about such an oddity in their listing.

      The notion of human-shaped machines goes a lot further back than that - right back to Greek mythology. But such things were considered magic and/or supernatural: only with the Industrial Revolution did it become possible to think of machines that were manufactured, which is about the right date for a 1727 citation.

      Even at that, robots remained nasty dangerous things-Man-wasn't-intended-to-know (cf Frankenstein) until the 20th Century, when writers like Capek created/popularized the concept (and the word, too: depends on who you ask), and Asimov depicted them as tools, designed for a purpose by engineers.

      ...laura, still a fan of Susan Calvin

    4. Re:Android? by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 1

      The term "Android" was introduced by Albertus Magnusin the 13th Century. Another automaton was a chess playing automaton called The Turk in the 18th Century.

    5. Re:Android? by farnerup · · Score: 2, Informative

      Such as golems (from jewish folklore) and homunculi (people built by alchemists).

    6. Re:Android? by Jonathan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The notion of human-shaped machines goes a lot further back than that - right back to Greek mythology. But such things were considered magic and/or supernatural: only with the Industrial Revolution did it become possible to think of machines that were manufactured, which is about the right date for a 1727 citation

      Also, even Capek's usage of the term "robot" isn't really our usage -- the "robots" of Capek's RUR were artifical (but still biological) humans, much like the replicants of Blade Runner.

    7. Re:Android? by unitron · · Score: 1

      Wasn't the Turk eventually shown to have been a fake, i.e., there was a small man inside doing the chess playing.

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  30. Re:Awesome!!! by Siniset · · Score: 1
    Cool! The Science Fiction Database is updated! What fantastic news! This is WAY more important or interesting than other news, like a 10th planet being found. When is that article going to be posted?

    yesterday? :)

  31. Serious omission! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

    What is the earliest usage of the verb "to slashdot"?

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    1. Re:Serious omission! by Malacca · · Score: 1
      Oxford's 'A Dictionary of the Internet' has the following entry:
      slashdot effect: The effect that occurs when one WEB SITE is linked via a HYPERLINK from another, very popular Web site. This often overloads the server containing the first Web site so that access to it becomes very slow. The name arose from sites being overwhelmed when they were mentioned in slashdot.org, a popular NEWS SITE read by many technical staff.
      Author Charles Stross reckons his may be first but I have not been able to verify this; the entry in Oxford's 'A Dictionary of the Internet' doesn't give first recorded usage. Anyone?
    2. Re:Serious omission! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the Slashdot FAQ... (Note the date at the bottom)

      What is the "Slashdot Effect?"
      When Slashdot links a site, often a lot of readers will hit the link to read the story or see the purty pictures. This can easily throw thousands of hits at the site in minutes. Most of the time, large professional websites have no problem with this, but often a site we link will be a smaller site, used to getting only a few thousand hits a day. When all those Slashdot readers start crashing the party, it can saturate the site completely, causing the site to buckle under the strain. When this happens, the site is said to be "Slashdotted."
      Recently, the terms "Slashdot Effect" and "Slashdotted" have been used more generally to refer to any short-term traffic jam at a website.

      We could conceivably cache pages, but that's a whole different ball of wax.

      Answered by: CmdrTaco
      Last Modified: 6/13/00

  32. Avatar (for VR) predates 1990, morph sounds ~right by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm pretty sure the term avatar (for VR) predates 1990.

    My first memory of the term "Avatar" being used to represent an online persona was on the online service Q-Link aka Quantum Link, a nationwide BBS system for the popular Commodore 64. (The parent company later became AOL.) They had a 2D graphics chat world called "Club Caribe" which I remember using the term "Avatar". (At the time, I thought it was a bit odd, since I was used to the term Avatar being used for the main character of Ultima IV (1985).) This would have been around 1988-1989 or so, which is earlier than the OED citation, although I do not have a printed source backup for this. (Check a C-64 magazine of that time period? Old copies of Compute Gazette, anyone?)

    I've found a post from a MUD-Dev mailing list discussion thread held in 2001 on the same topic (what's the earliest use of the term avatar) that supports this recollection, and adds to it that the term might have been used by the predecessor of Club Caribe, Lucasfilm's Habitat (1984-1988), or possibly even earlier by Jaron Lanier. Again, no paper-based backup on this.

    Regarding the term "morph", 1993 doesn't sound too far off; it might be a year or two earlier though. I ran across the term in late 1993 when trying to replicate the morphing process used by Michael Jackson's "Black or White" music video for a computer graphics class (based on a white paper by Pacific Data Images). Both that video and Terminator 2: Judgement Day which used morphing came out in 1992. The CG morphing technique was known as morphing when I took the class in 1993. I'm not sure the PDI white paper used the term morphing though, so maybe the term's name caught on some time after the video came out. So it might be 1993, but I wouldn't be surprised if the term was used in 1992.

    --LP

  33. Re:Awesome!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It already was.

  34. Re:Awesome!!! by tilmanb · · Score: 0

    > ... other news, like a 10th planet being found ...

    German IT-Site heise has the story.

    http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/45578

    But this would not really be the 10th "planet" but the 11th... AFAIK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaoar and Sedna are quite similar.

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  35. Skip the graph by mcmonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting
    An interesting graph on the site shows date of word origin by decade.

    ...for small values of 'interesting'. To say we have X words from the 40s, and Y words from the 50s isn't very useful. (In addition to being very little information spread out to cover a lot of ink.)

    However, this is the beginning of something that will be interesting in a couple decades. I'd like to see how these numbers change over time.

    Right now we have a peak of new Sci Fi words from the 40s and 50s (about 50 years ago). The slope is shallow coming up to the present, but the drop off is steep to the 20s and earlier.

    Does this mean it takes about 40-50 years for new words to work their way into a more main stream usage, but then they fall out of fashion quickly? If so, the shape of the graph would change little over time, just the years along the X-axis would advance.

    On the other hand, this could mean peaks in new words correspond to peaks in scientific innovation or other social factors. What we see happening to language in the 40s and 50s could correspond to the heightened anxiety of WWII and the cold war. Or it could follow the historic changes to our fundamental understanding of the universe occurring during the first couple decades of the century.

    Of course, none of that can be determined from this one snap shot. Nothing to see here folks...yet.

    1. Re:Skip the graph by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 1

      The 40's and 50's (with the late 30's, somewhat) were the so-called Golden Age of SF, when most of the familiar conventions of the genre were established. The terms that came into common usage to describe staples of SF are quite likely to have their roots then, and that's born out by the hump in the graph. I'd think the earliest examples of terms would appear a few years before they really entered into the general SF vocabulary.

      Why was it the Golden Age? Well, with the atom bomb and the space program, it was a very Science! (with a capital letter and exclamation point, doncha know) era, and the genre literature of the time captured the sense of optimism about the eventual, inevitable future in which technology improved the human condition. Cynicism kicked in later, and there was a dropoff in the Terra-uber-alles school of SF.

      I'd also expect to see a chunk of cyberpunk words appearing starting in the 70's and getting a lot of citations in the 80's, when that particular new area of SF took off, which somehow doesn't seem to be the case, but hell, I'm just guessing based on the shape of the graph.

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    2. Re:Skip the graph by southpolesammy · · Score: 1

      I would posit that the time period between 1930-1960 saw the greatest scientific advances in products that were used everyday, and therefore led people to become far more interested in science and therefore science fiction. There were great breakthroughs in communication, transportation, textiles, materials, medicine, and processes, and each of these breakthroughs can typically be found in everyday items that the public is very aware of, such as radar, nylon, jet engines, x-ray machinery, space exploration, and nuclear energy and its by-products.

      By contrast, the number of life-altering technological breakthroughs since 1960 has paled by comparison. We have the transistor, LSI and VLSI architecture, further advances in medicine, internetworking (including Ethernet -- thanks Bob Metcalfe!), but no real significant changes that affected people on the same scale like there were during the "golden years" of the 20th century.

      Now mind-altering breakthroughs....yeah, we've had LOTS of those, and if you look at the bottoming out in the 1960's and 1970's, perhaps that shows our lack of technological ingenuity? Or maybe we got too lazy and stoned to care?

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  36. Re:Awesome!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    He's just waiting on the dupe.

  37. Clarification for my Slashdot brethren by underworld · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is not a "typical" dictionary, for those of you who are not familiar with it.

    I noticed several people mentioning concerns about the use of words prior to some of the dates mentioned and also about non-print use of words. The thing is, the OED attempts to define words as they have been used in printed literature. In other words, without the Star-Trek script that illustrates the use of the term "cloaking device", they cannot verify it and date it properly.

    The thinking, if I am not mistaken, is based on the idea that a word in published print has gone through an editing process. The editor is then responsible for making sure that the words used in the final publication are valid and used accurately. The OED attempts to catalog any new words or new uses of existing words that appear after having gone through this process. The assumption being that any new words or new uses of words are now "valid" as a result of having been printed.

    Whether you agree with this process is probably not relevant; but that is the way that I understand it to work.

    If you would like more information you should read the book "The Professor and The Madman" by Simon Winchester. It's a great story that details how the OED came to be; and Mr. Winchester is a fine autor.

    1. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren by millia · · Score: 1

      The big question is, however, if it isn't time for the extension of the definition of print.
      does Usenet count as print? some would say yes, some no, but the point remains is that it's an archived form of communication, in text form. the OED needs to figure out, soon, what they're going to do about electronic text- and about how they're going to reference it, and potentially cache those referencing pages. the conservatism of british academics is almost cliched; good or bad, it at least ensures continuity.

      as i said above, i don't really have a problem with them not using electronic references. the OED is such a marvelously fun book- those of you who have online access to it, through schools, will surely be amused at browsing through it.

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    2. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren by jdaily · · Score: 2

      Mr. Winchester wrote another book, The Meaning of Everything, which covers the history of the OED in more detail. I just finished reading the book yesterday; quite a fun (for a book about a dictionary), and often touching, read.

    3. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The big question is, however, if it isn't time for the extension of the definition of print. does Usenet count as print? some would say yes, some no, but the point remains is that it's an archived form of communication, in text form. the OED needs to figure out, soon, what they're going to do about electronic text- and about how they're going to reference it, and potentially cache those referencing pages. the conservatism of british academics is almost cliched; good or bad, it at least ensures continuity.

      For that matter, what about extending the criteria to accomodate any verifiable use of a word, not just in a broader definition of "print," but in spoken usage as well? Sound recordings didn't even exist when the OED was conceived of, but they're an indispensible resource for study of language evolution for that part of history for which they're available, and if it's known from such sources a word clearly existed at a certain time even though the earliest print citation dates from much later, isn't it misleading to think of the print source as the earliest citation?

    4. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren by alex_tibbles · · Score: 1

      Winchester's book is also known as "The Surgeon of Crawthorne" in the UK and early editions.

    5. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren by nothings · · Score: 1
      The thinking, if I am not mistaken, is based on the idea that a word in published print has gone through an editing process. The editor is then responsible for making sure that the words used in the final publication are valid and used accurately.

      versus

      ...without the Star-Trek script that illustrates the use of the term "cloaking device", they cannot verify it and date it properly

      A Star Trek script is neither a published work of literature nor something that has been vetted editorially for spelling or usage (it is generally edited for 'content' with an eye towards how it will be used).

      If the Star Trek script is relevant, then a videotape should be even better. (Suppose the script said 'cloaker device' and on the set they decided 'cloaking device' sounded better? Who cares what the script said.)

      This is actually an important question, because Usenet articles are actually published more than a Star Trek script.

    6. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      In other words, without the Star-Trek script that illustrates the use of the term "cloaking device"

      And we all know that that'll never happen, because after being written by Roddenbaricon Antaeus and passed around the hands of royalty, they ended up in a church where the vellum was scraped and resued folded to make palimpsests, and then lost in a Mosque in northern Iran for 800 years, poached by a dishonest German archaeologists, sold on the black market, and ended up found in somebody's grandfather's book collection in northern Champagne, and that there's totally no way that you could buy them at Waldenbooks for $30, no way at all, don't be ridiculous.

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  38. That's hardly news! by CaptainCheese · · Score: 1

    Is this the third, or the fourth time they've found a Tenth planet?

    All hail our new tennis-ball-in-eliptical-orbit overlords!

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  39. Re:Awesome!!! by rafael_es_son · · Score: 1

    It was posted yesterday, you ninny-head.

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  40. Morph is a greek word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    if you want prior art, Morph is from the Greek word "morph", meaning to form or shape.

  41. Unnecessary Details by NorthWoodsman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it really necessary to mention it's running MySQL and FreeBSD? I know this is a tech site, but geez; who cares how the database works, it's completely irrelevant to the article.

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  42. Re:Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    declared a state of emergency as soon as the bombs had gone off, and postponed the election. Instead they got an emotive vote that shows the world what cowards they are

    Emotive vote? Isn't emotive reaction exactly what got the US into the deep shit in the middle east in the first place? "We've gotta get them evil-doers!"?

    Bury the dead, deal with the situation, assasinate the terrorist cells you find and negotiate with the remains - embarking on a public crusade is just, I don't know, vulgar.

  43. Our words become classics? by LordDax · · Score: 1

    How soon will it be before the words we write down and read in our sci-fi novels will be listed? Words such as 'hyper reality' 'time displacement' 'microverse' 'grok!'. And these are only a few with more be created everyday as authors around the globe write down the dreams and designs of our futures. What they write we will eventually do. We've already proven that.

  44. Re:Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Bury the dead, deal with the situation, assasinate the terrorist cells you find and negotiate with the remains

    Why do I get the impression that the europeans might actually speak a language that the terrorists understand.

    (I'm not sure if the "negotiate with the remains" was intentional but it sure made me laugh... "remains" to me means dead terrorists)

  45. Avatar from True Names? Help by Mablung · · Score: 1

    I'd swear Vernor Vinge used avatar in True Names (early 80's?), but I don't have a copy and can't seem to Google it or find it in Amazon.

    Anybody?

    I doubt ... there ... 4 a.m.

  46. Superb book about the history of the OED by ctid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I received for Christmas, "The Meaning of Everything", by Simon Winchester. This gives a very interesting and compelling account of the genesis of the dictionary, some of the very strange characters who contributed and the process by which entries are constructed. A very interesting read.

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    1. Re:Superb book about the history of the OED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I received for Christmas, "The Meaning of Everything"

      here im going to save everyones money, the book is summed up as...

      42

      enjoy the rest of the day

    2. Re:Superb book about the history of the OED by hyperizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also check out The Professor and the Madman: A Tale of Murder, Insanity, and the Making of The Oxford English Dictionary also by Simon Winchester which chronicles the contributions of Dr. W.C. Minor, a Civil War vet and murderer who provided thousands of entries for the OED while in an asylum.

  47. Not without a printed, dateable, copy he shouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Submitting Science Fiction Citations to the OED:

    Please note that the OED is only able to include quotes from dateable printed sources, typically books and magazines, but also physical copies of movie scripts, dated programs from cons, fanzines, unpublished papers, etc. However, Web pages, E-books, and movies themselves can not be quoted directly. [...] we ask in general that you do not send in examples from this kind of source.

    So, unless you have a physical copy - e.g. a game manual, story booklet, etc. - OED won't accept it.

  48. Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by rufusdufus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The word "Morph" is Greek. Claiming it is a recently invented science fiction term is ludicrous. As is the word "Avatar", which is a sanskrit word for the embodiement of Vishnu.

    It took me two seconds to find this information on dictionary.com. It baffles me how a site claiming to be affiliated to the OED could make such errors.

    1. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The embodiment of anything, actually.

    2. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And did the ancients use them in the sense that the OED project is looking for?

    3. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by kalidasa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Morph is not greek, morphos is. 2. They're looking specifically for the sf uses of those words, not the first occurrence of the word with any definition. The way the OED works is that it tries to find the earliest printed occurrences of each definition of a word. "Avatar" in the sense of "a representative face/person/attribute of a god," the Sanskrit meaning, is different from the sf sense of "an electronic representation of a person which is not visually mimetic" or however you want to define these: so the OED would want the first *English* use of the first meaning (probably in the 18th or 19th century, whenever Sanskrit studies was just starting out) and the first English use of the second meaning (probably when the first muds and moos came out, 70s or 80s).

    4. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by rufusdufus · · Score: 1

      The meaning of the word avatar is exactly the same as the philosophy behind virtual reality is identical to hindu myths ideas of nested realities. The only thing that makes this the sci-fi version different is that it is applied to a computer reality.
      The word morph is the root of the english "Methamorphosis" which is the meaning of morph.

    5. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rtfa, moron

    6. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Morph is not greek, morphos is.

      morphe is greek. Morph in this sense comes from metamorphose, which is derived from latin via french.

      "Avatar" in the sense of "a representative face/person/attribute of a god," the Sanskrit meaning, is different from the sf sense of "an electronic representation of a person which is not visually mimetic" or however you want to define these

      The meaning is the same. The player in the game is metaphorically a god, and thus his representation in the game is an avatar.

    7. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      On the first, good point, I did have the gender wrong. Metamorphosis (Latin) meta+morpho|o . On the second, the metaphor is pretty much a dead one, so the meanings are different.

    8. Re:Morph is Greek! Avatar is Sanscrit. by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      If you want to be particular, morphos isn't a word at all, it's a suffix, and its most common conjugation is -morph, as in Polymorph.

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  49. Being Referenced - Massively OT by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Wow. It was one thing when I had the origianl article posted, but it's another when someone else references my original article. I know I have no reason to be proud (hey, the article is about OED, not the guy who posted the it), but somehow I really do.

    I guess I am an even smaller, sad little man than I thought...

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  50. Re:Pulp mags by prgrmr · · Score: 2, Informative

    The 30's and 40's is when the science fiction magazines got started, and most of the authors whose works are considered "the classics" of science fiction got their start with those mags.

  51. Teenage America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    That's ok.

    We've all been through puberty and I guess nations have to go through it too.

    You can go out this decade, but remember to be back by eleven or you're grounded for a century! And you've better not to reek of beer when you get back. We and the grandma Asia be awake waiting for you.

  52. Show them the novels by xleeko · · Score: 2, Informative

    Star Trek may have used the phrase "cloaking device" in the sixties, but we'd need to see the script to verify.

    So they are the very definition of pedantic, big deal. Just show them one of the novelizations by James Blish or Alan Dean Foster (for the animated ones) that came out a couple of years later.

    -Dave

    1. Re:Show them the novels by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      Or show them a transcript of the teleplay. Or a copy of it. It's *Balance of Terror*, and I'm pretty sure it is 1968.

    2. Re:Show them the novels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually looked through the Blish novelizations with the intent of finding "cloaking device": and, so far as I could see Blish didn't use the term.

      - I'm an anonymous Coward because I never got round to creating an account, but I'm actually Malcolm Farmer, looking at my incoming email. Fortunately, not too much of a flood as yet. And to head off one rivulet of the incoming: "Grok": we know who invented it and where it was first used - that's why, unlike all the other words on the list, we don't need any cites.

    3. Re:Show them the novels by potaz · · Score: 1

      That's interesting - I feel [i]certain[/i] it's used, but of course, you'd need to verify for the OED.

      The point of my questions is that, if a copy of the episode is available, why do you need to see a copy of the script? Is it because the possibility that actors could ad-lib the lines, and thus they might not be subject to an editing process, what stops TV shows from being valid texts?

    4. Re:Show them the novels by potaz · · Score: 1

      Oops: somebody spends too much time on UBB!

    5. Re:Show them the novels by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      what stops TV shows from being valid texts?

      Er... the fact that TV is not a textual medium?

      The OED has their purview: words spelled out in letters. While it might be academically interesting and downright valuable to expand that to include verbal speech, that's a can of worms they're not ready to open. If actual copies of the scripts can't be found to cite, the Blish novelizations (short-story-izations, actually) which mention these Trekisms will certainly suffice.

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  53. Heinlein's use of the word "lag" by intertwingled · · Score: 1

    I am pretty sure that Heinlein was the first sci fi author to use the term "lag" in the same sense that we use it on irc. I'd have to do a text search of _Time_Enough_For_Love_ to find the exact spot.

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  54. Wrong usage. by Draxinusom · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's because the character was an avatar in the traditional sense of the word; the plot of Ultima IV was the character's quest to become an embodiment and exemplar of the 8 virtues. It has nothing to do with the word "avatar" in the VR sense, which is the usage that is being discussed here.

    avatar
    n.
    2. An embodiment, as of a quality or concept; an archetype: the very avatar of cunning.

    1. Re:Wrong usage. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      But could it be the gateway usage connecting the traditional to the virtual? That it had a potential for dual meaning, and the misunderstanding led to the new usage?

      I doubt the sci-fi usage was coined without any thought to the traditional usage.

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  55. Offtopic? Moderators, pull your socks up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WW2 was a technological war, possibly the last one, since we passed an event horizon with Hiroshima: bombs big enough to kill all life on the planet.

  56. What about Grok? by corinath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that they are missing "Grok." Seems rather strange that they would leave that one out. I use it on a daily basis, and so do most other people I know.

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    1. Re:What about Grok? by Cerpicio · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow.

      And do you get beat up on daily basis, too?

      I mean, I read the book and know the term, but I have never used it. I always thought it was rather odd seeing someone else use it outside of the book.

      -- C.

    2. Re:What about Grok? by andyhat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Grok is already in the online OED with a range of citations, starting with Heinlein in 1961. So there's no need for it to be included in this project.

    3. Re:What about Grok? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      And to think that I chuckled to myself and thought "nobody would confuse a research list with a dictionary" when I read this plain as day on the front page:

      This list is not meant to be a comprehensive glossary of SF terminology: it is only a list of those terms that the OED has a particular need to have researched. Certain terms have been excluded from this list because we know beyond doubt that we have the earliest possible example, the circumstances of the coinage being known. These include dalek, robot, and grok. There is no need to point out the absence of these words. We also maintain a separate list for terms we are considering entering; from time to time we move items from this list to one of the main lists.

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  57. Score 5, Insightful ????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's over. The moderation system is officially borked beyond all possible repair.

  58. Meaning of BOLO by index72 · · Score: 1

    Anybody know what the acronym BOLO stands for? BOLO from the Keith Laumer series.

    1. Re:Meaning of BOLO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it was ever defined as an acronym. Bolos were built by the Bolo division of General Motors in that history; all the books I have (all of the Bolo series, though perhaps not all of the books containing related short stories or novellas) just use it as a name.

  59. Grok, Tackymat, Offog by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 1

    I know where 'grok' came from (Robert A. Heinlein in his Stranger in a Strange Land), 'offog' ('Allamagoosa", by Eric Frank Russell (1955) but anyone know where 'tackymat' came from?

  60. Re:Awesome!!! by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't that quote be "Bubble headed ninny" or some such. You need to get your quotes straight, after all .. they might end up in this DB .. lol

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  61. Not a mention of Jules Verne by prgrmr · · Score: 1

    Looking at the graph with so few words attributed to the 1900's surprised me. Then doing a search on the page of the list of words for "verne" returned no hits, which surprised me even further. I would think that "20,00 Leauges Under the Sea" would be good for at least one word.

    1. Re:Not a mention of Jules Verne by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      Presumably not. The OED is looking for the first instances of words in English; it is, after all, the Oxford English Dictionary. Verne wrote in French, so his books wouldn't be a good source of the first appearances of words in English.

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    2. Re:Not a mention of Jules Verne by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

      As the other reply says, Verne wrote in French. But writers back then were probably less inclined to coin new words, as doing so was not readily accepted with the sort of laissez-faire attitude we have towards neologisms today. Using made-up words (not counting fictious nations and nationalities like "Erehwon" or "Yahoos") might leave one open to critical dismissal as a semi-illiterate.

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  62. Re:Avatar from True Names? Help by Mablung · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Err ... nevermind. I Googled again and found it here. No "avatar".

    Ignore the man behind the iron curtain ...

  63. FWIW Re:The word Morph by mynameis+(mother+... · · Score: 1
    For whatever it's worth - morph3
    PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: morf KEY
    VERB: Inflected forms: morphed, morph.ing, morphs

    TRANSITIVE VERB: To transform (an image) by computer: cinematic special effects that morphed the villain into a snake.
    INTRANSITIVE VERB: To be transformed: ?Yesterday's filmstrip has morphed into today's school computer? (Clifford Stoll, New York Times May 19, 1996).
    ETYMOLOGY: Shortening of metamorphose.
  64. Vernor Vinge and John Brunner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy who wrote that MUD-Dev list posting, Randy Farmer, was one of the founding coders of Habitat/Club Caribe. He claims in that posting to have originated use of the term, although he credits the _concept_ to at least two other fictional works, Vernor Vinge's "True Names" and John Brunner's "Shockwave Rider".

  65. Avatar in 1981 by mbourgon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I believe my first recollection of Avatar was in Vernor Vinge's "True Names", published 1981. ("True Names & Other Dangers", a collection of short stories which included it, was published in 1987)

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    1. Re:Avatar in 1981 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is redundant with another reply to the parent post. As a reply to that post indicates, the word Avatar is definitively not used in True Names. The concept is, of course there as you say.

    2. Re:Avatar in 1981 by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      Doh! Didn't see that when I posted. Stupid internet.

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  66. Question ... 1984? by gomel · · Score: 1, Interesting

    was '1984' an sci-fi novel?
    or was it political fiction?

    Orwell imagined the world 36 years into the future. he put some fictious inventions into the book (sea fortress, pr0n assembling machines, on-wall TV-sets with build-in webcams ? ).

    is 'Big Brother' an sci-fi term?

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    1. Re:Question ... 1984? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more curiously, the book was intended to be set in 1948. There were problems with publishers I believe, and the title had to be changed. George Orwell had been working as part of the British propaganda machine during the second World War, and was intimately aquainted with many of the areas of the book...

  67. Dates make sense... in a way by Creepy · · Score: 1

    The dates that are listed for morph and avatar are a little bit confusing - they are for certain specific uses, not for when the word was invented.

    Morph in the sense described is the computer shape change like in Terminator 2 or that old Michael Jackson face shift video (the heck if I can remember the name), not the greek word for changing shape, which has been used for lots of stuff WAAAAY before then.

    Avatar in VR is the user's VR form, or in a different wording, the character being role-played in the VR world. Literally it means embodiment of form, so it makes sense. This is not related to the original meaning of Avatar, which I think has something to do with Vishnu (the Hindi god) who would come to earth often in some other form.

    Hey - all those days of D&D playing in high school do have some practical use - with both words :)

  68. -5, Pedantic but wrong by mph · · Score: 3, Informative
    I don't think I'd qualify "Yah" as a word, either.
    The OED does. "Also used loosely as a vague or meaningless exclamation."
    1. Re:-5, Pedantic but wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was spelled "yeah"

    2. Re:-5, Pedantic but wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=y ah&q2=yeah&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue =us

      Yeah, its yeah, but staring at that word gives me a strange feeling....

    3. Re:-5, Pedantic but wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using the same logic:
      cat vs. dog
      dog isn't a word either

  69. "Morph" goes back to 1988 at least by searchr · · Score: 1

    The first film use of "morphing" technology was in the [underrated] Fantasy film, Willow, which was released in 1988, predating the chart's listing of 1993 for that term's first use. Terminator 2 was in 1991, and used morphing tech extensively. Both of these films had book and graphic novel versions, so they should still be considered for proper citation.

  70. Avatar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Avatar goes back at least a few more years as the name of an all-powerful user and the name was common for systems.

  71. History of corpsicle (n.) by affreca101 · · Score: 1

    I think my favorite history I found was for corpsicle. Apparently a easy sci-fi concept that needed a silly term. And then reused by many of the better names in sci-fi books.

    1. Re:History of corpsicle (n.) by kundor · · Score: 1

      Huh, I was just reading "The Defenseless Dead" last week...
      In that case it's not really a silly term for a sci-fi concept, it's an example of how language is propaganda, and the spread of the demeaning term "corpsicle" helped to justify breaking up the cryotank inhabitants for organ transplants.

  72. There's a difference? by edremy · · Score: 3, Funny

    NM

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  73. Earlier Heinlein citations by MattT · · Score: 1

    Alot of the early usage cited in the article from Heinlein stories of the 1940s-50s, were actually first written about in the 1938-39 novel, "For Us, the Living". This book, published posthumously(sp?) just this year, contains references to slide-walks, space-ports, air-cars and several other technologies that showed up in his later writing.

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    1. Re:Earlier Heinlein citations by RaymondRuptime · · Score: 1

      True; but the point is when something is first published, not when it was written. It is only when something is published that it can become known and influence our language. Your information is relevant to the history of the development of the idea (or of Heinlein's works).

  74. Where's Fembot? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    Funny that the list doesn't include the well-known term fembot.

    Especially funny since the OED is considering adding fembot to the OED as a whole.

    I recall a Slashdot reference to this as well, but could not find it searching on "fembot" with the Slashdot search function.

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  75. OMG, I don't believe it... by LandGator · · Score: 1

    Interociter (THIS ISLAND EARTH, 1955) is not listed!

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  76. Didn't Have "Robot" by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Interesting
    No entry for Robot yet.
    This was easy enough to get as a google search (having seen the origin before)

    The 1920 story/play R.U.R. (Rossum's Universal Robots) Czech Author: Karel Capek, however his brother Josef is credited with coining the word.

    I am unable to cite this correctly, not having the original publication, but am sending it off in any event.

    It would seem even the simplest SciFi words should be considered for submission. So rack your brains then do a search.

    (from the play, English translation, page 1):

    On the right-hand wall are fastened printed placards:

    "CHEAP LABOR. ROSSUM'S ROBOTS."
    "ROBOTS FOR THE TROPICS. 150 DOLLARS EACH."
    "EVERYONE SHOULD BUY HIS OWN ROBOT."
    "DO YOU WANT TO CHEAPEN YOUR OUTPUT? ORDER ROSSUM'S ROBOTS":

    1. Re:Didn't Have "Robot" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main page of the site specifically states that "This list is not meant to be a comprehensive glossary of SF terminology" and mentions "robot" as a word not necessary to include, because the circumstances of its coinage are known.

  77. Apparently they don't... by argent · · Score: 1

    [Your search-fu is powerful, I thought I'd be first with this one]

    I found that one, as well as other references through the next decade culminating in several 1991 references to existing morphing software for the Amiga. I think they're mistaking a meaning in common usage for a word derived from SF, because it sounds like a science fiction idea.

    I guess they must be using patent examiners to do their research.

  78. Morph - 1986/7 by scdeimos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In terms of computer graphics lingo, MORPH was developed by the special effects gurus at Lucasfilm in 1986/7 for the 1988 release of the Ron Howard film, Willow.

    I think they even talked of how the word was developed in the making-of documentary.

  79. Morph/Morf by robkill · · Score: 1

    In the extra commentary on the DVD "Willow," They mention being the first movie use of morphing software (called M.O.R.F.) for the scene where Willow returns Razel to her original form. Most of the other effects were done by traditional film means. This would have been 1988 or thereabouts.

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  80. The OED's creation by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 1
    Only barely on topic I know - but fascinating nonetheless. A fascinating book by Simon Winchester - The Professor and the Madman tells the story of the creation of the OED - compiled from thousands upon thousands of annotated submissions and contributions from ordinary people over (initially) 70 years.

    The book centres on one contributor in particular, an American expat/Civil War veteran named Dr W.C. Minor, who submitted tens of thousands of entries from his room in a criminal asylum. If you're into Victorian madness, the English language or both, it's worth a read.

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  81. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren SCRIPTS by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    The thing is, the OED attempts to define words as they have been used in printed literature. In other words, without the Star-Trek script that illustrates the use of the term "cloaking device", they cannot verify it and date it properly.

    And I suppose they think the actors were just standing up there making it up as they went along.

    If they can't find the script, I recall a novelication collection (single book) of the early Star Trek episodes that included "Balance of Terror". I'm sure the term was used there as well.

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  82. Does the OED take examples from online usage? by jonadab · · Score: 1

    I always thought they preferred to see examples of the word being used in print
    sources; I didn't think they generally went by private letters or whatnot, and
    I'm thinking usenet would be in the latter category. (Informal sources often
    show slang terms that have not yet passed into general usage; when you start
    seeing the word in books and journal articles, it starts being mainstream.)

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  83. Explosion of new writers = expansion of vocabulary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    One of the most interesting things the OED project has shown is that the majority of new words have come from a small number of highly innovative writers.

    In the 1930's, it was authors like E.E. Smith, Jack Williamson, and C.L. Moore who were the greatest word-coiners. The even greater explosion of new terms in the 1940's is mainly due to Heinlein and Asimov, plus a few others who were trying to keep up with them.

    This association between imaginative writing and the creation of new vocabulary goes way back. Lewis Carroll enriched the language greatly. And Horace Walpole, who wrote the first gothic novel in the 18th century (and is thus the grandfather of modern science fiction and fantasy), made up the word "serendipity" and is extensively cited in the OED for new or unique usages of existing words.

  84. Egg all over my face! by DumbSwede · · Score: 1
    Egg on my face!

    Still, I went from the slashdot link to the graph, from there to "Science Fiction", then to "How to Cite"

    These pages did not mention the "no need to cite" clause.

    I feel a little embarrassed in that I had seen this site once before from a slashdot posting long ago, and now remember the "no need to cite" from back then.

    It would seem someone should have the definitive glossary of attributable coinage, and it might help if this site linked to it. No doubt they are being barraged right now with unneeded words that they consider of known origin (mine included).
    Oh the shame!

    BTW, can anyone give a reference to killbot before Furturama? I'm betting it's out there somewhere.

  85. Making /. Do All The Work by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    Looks to me like the compilers of this list only have to get it on /. to get more cites than they can handle.

    Or is it just me?

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  86. "Morph" isw waaaay earlier by Bored+Huge+Krill · · Score: 1

    "Morph" was the name of Nick Parks' (of Wallace and Gromit fame) first televised claymation character. So called because he would, well, morph into different objects during the course of the sequence. It was a short spot on an afternoon children's TV show in the UK, originating in 1976: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/goingout/2004 /02/09/aardman.shtml

  87. Re:Clarification for my Slashdot brethren SCRIPTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If they can't find the script, I recall a novelication collection (single book) of the early Star Trek episodes that included "Balance of Terror". I'm sure the term was used there as well.
    It wasn't. I looked through this novelization (by James Blish, a well-known and respected SF author, who has a place in the OED database for coining the astronomical term "gas giant") about six months ago, looking for "cloaking device", and to my surprise, Blish didn't use the term - I'm Malcolm Farmer, handling email for submitted SF terms on the project, though I'm writing as an Anonymous Coward. (If you don't believe it's me, email me and ask: my address for submissions is on the Web page.) This is the problem: memory is a palimpsest, what people remember reading is overlain by later stuff, so tracking down the printed copy often shows discrepancies with what one expects or remembers. That's why they want someone to say, with page numbers, ISBN etc if possible, "I looked at an actual physical instance of this text and it said exactly this..."
  88. Re:Morph - Metroid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The classic Nintendo game Metroid featured a morph ball mode in its original version. Anyone else remember Samus Aran rolling around and bombing her way to the next level? I think it was 1988 or so.

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  89. Language and thinking by Goonie · · Score: 1
    Language affects the way you think.

    That's the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, and is the subject of very considerable debate. Frankly, I think the Wikipedia entry gives a little too much credence to it, IIRC psychologists think it's only true in a very weak sense.

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    1. Re:Language and thinking by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more on a cultural level. Your norms and mores are shaped by the language and visa versa... but I suppose that would explain the hypothesis on the "individual" level.

      Having been an ASL interpreter for nearly 7 years, I do have to say the ASL provided a VASTLY different format for thought (being a visual language).. but I am convinced that ASL has more than linguistic repercussions. How many spoken languages require you to have visual space? You can literally tell a 10 minute story by iterating a time "Yesterday", a couple of nouns (placed in space- "School"/"Home"/"Car") and then "moving" the placed objects around, detailing what happened on your way home from school without a single word. The Deaf (cultural) world definitely has a unique perspective, very different from the "Hearing" world.

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    2. Re:Language and thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It hardly matters whether language is the cause or effect of new technology. In all probability it's neither: our brains seem to be evolved to do both: develop new technology, and spread it/ exchange it/ teach it through language.

      All new technological curves imply a boost in related words, and you can actually map the progress of technologies through society (historically and currently) by tracking word use.

      The oldest technologies match the oldest words. For instance, a common root in many (most?) human languages is "fuh", the aspirated F, meaning "fire".

      Arguing about whether "language affects the way we think" is like arguing whether our legs affect the way we walk. Of course they do, and in much the same way. If you have long, strong legs, you can run faster. If you have lost one leg, you better learn to hop. If you have short, fat legs, find a couch. But our legs have nothing to do with _why_ we walk, or where.

  90. What happened in the 30s by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Magazines that called their content "Science Fiction" started to appear in the 30s. But Hugo Gernsback was publishing stuff we'd call "Science Fiction" long before that. (Gernsback coined the word "Scientifiction", which I suppose must have become "Science Fiction".) And there were magazines publishing "scientific romances" and "future adventure" long before that, though I think they mostly lumped it in with other adventure genres.

    Science fiction, under whatever name, goes back centuries. Cyrano de Bergerac wrote a story about a rocketship to the moon in 1657!

    I think the crucial thing that happened in the 30s is that the English-speaking world started to be dominated by an industrial, rather than an agricultural, economy. As the population became more technical, so did its taste in adventure stories.

  91. Avatar 1985 by Viadd · · Score: 1

    Does anyone have any publications from 1985 mentioning avatars in the 'Habitat' game? If so, then the OED would presumably be interested.

    This web page, and others say:
    In 1985 at Lucasfilm, the inventor Chip Morningstar, working with his colleague Randall Farmer, created Habitat,... Chip needed a term to describe the digital personification of users in the Habitat worlds and he chose the word avatar, for its meaning from Hindu theology...

  92. Shakespeare didn't use a real dialect! by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1

    Shakespeare wrote for people's entertainment. Figuring out his witty turns of phrase was part of the fun. Generations of English teachers have taken Shakespeare way too seriously. People never actually talked that way!

    1. Re:Shakespeare didn't use a real dialect! by BlackShirt · · Score: 1

      I do'nt think so. Written language is always a bit more complicated than spoken one. Think of kings and peasants. Mybe peasants mumbled.

  93. Re:Explosion of new writers = expansion of vocabul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the most interesting things the OED project has shown is that the majority of new words have come from a small number of highly innovative writers.

    Yes, although this is not totally unexpected. It's well known that a few thousand common English words and phrases (e.g. "investment", "obscene", "bedroom", "upstairs" ...) appeared in print for the first time in Shakespeare's plays.

    I am not totally convinced though that we ought to say that these writers invented those words. The first appearance of the compound word "Base ball" is due to Jane Austen. But practically no-one thinks that she invented the word or the sport.

  94. Don't do free work for a non-free project! by mankey+wanker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Submit these words to a free resource, not the OED - the OED is *SO* not free. WTF?

  95. first known use by the_twisted_pair · · Score: 0

    It comes from the mongol verb slash'dut, meaning to commandeer trade routes. First known user was Genghis Khan, who successfully conducted a DDOS across most of the known world 1215-1227.

  96. True grok story. by Pathetic+Coward · · Score: 1

    Back in college, a group of us SF fans were trying to explain to our dorm's resident director (an English major grad student) what science fiction was.

    After a while, he responded: "Let me see if I grok this".

    He didn't understand why everyone started laughing.

  97. Club Caribe by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 1

    More specifically in the "VR" sense, does anyone else remember "Club Caribe?" This was a feature of Quantum Link, the C-64 based predecessor to AOL. C.C. was a surprisingly sophisticated virtual environment, something like a simplified version of "Animal Crossing" with elements of "The Sims Online." The user could navigate a character around a cartoony island resort, interacting with characters of other online users, spending virtual money to buy stuff (including replacement heads), and occasionally solving puzzles. The player-characters were called Avatars. This was around 1989-1990.

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  98. Israeli military slang... by sdedeo · · Score: 1

    (for example) is rich enough and (because of mandatory service) widespread enough to make its appearance in more "literary" contexts; Hebrew is also very amenable to nickname and acronym formation (even long-dead Torah scholars are commonly referred to by strange semi-acronymistic [?] names.)

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  99. Golium by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    In the Torah
    a clay artificial man
    predates Frankenstien

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