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San Diego Diebold Poll Worker's Report Posted

James Renken writes "I was a poll worker in San Diego for this year's primary election. It was the county's first using Diebold voting machines, and as you may have heard, we ran into some problems! My full report of the goings-on can be found at Live from the Nuke Free Zone. Enjoy!"

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  1. just in case - full text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uncle Diebold's Clubhouse

    On March 2nd, I was a poll worker for this year's California primary election. More specifically, I was a Systems Inspector in San Diego county, whose problems with voting machines and procedures received some coverage in the national media.

    First, a summary of my personal opinion: I think that current electronic voting systems are better than the traditional systems in terms of security, and also in terms of usability for most people. However, I share the opinion of many bloggers that major security issues remain in the new machines and implementations, and that these issues should already have been fixed.

    More details below...

    This was San Diego's first election using electronic voting machines - specifically, Diebold AccuVote-TSx stations. Previous elections in the county used punch cards. The county failed to make the mandated upgrade prior to the last election, and a federal court ordered that it be done for this primary.

    Previously, precinct boards in the county were made up of an Inspector, an Assistant Inspector, and clerks. As of this election, a Systems Inspector and an Assistant Systems Inspector have been added at each precinct. According to the Registrar of Voters, this is because a four-hour training session would have been required in order for Inspectors to learn both the general procedures and how to operate the machines. Instead, most of the technical details are left to the Systems Inspectors.

    I was contacted and assigned as a Standby Systems Inspector, meaning that if necessary, I would stand in for a missing Systems Inspector or Assistant Systems Inspector in my part of the county. The standby system is apparently not used very much; they forgot to handle some details, like sending me a copy of the poll worker's manual, or notifying me that the location for the mandatory training had changed. Fortunately, I'm fairly resourceful, and the classes were running late anyway.

    In the class, we were introduced to how the system works. Along with the usual paperwork and supplies, each precinct has:

    * A Precinct Control Model (PCM).
    * A number of voting stations (either four, six, or eight).
    * Two Voter Access Cards (VACs) per station, plus one or two extras.
    * Two Supervisor Cards.

    A poll worker (usually the Systems Inspector) sits in front of the PCM. One poll worker has each voter sign the roster, while another checks the voter's address on another list. That second worker points to the appropriate line on the address list, and the PCM operator sees which party to program a ballot for - with the party name never said aloud.

    The PCM operator then selects the party on the PCM's touchscreen, and inserts any one of the Voter Access Cards (VACs) for programming. The VAC is then given to the voter, who inserts the VAC into any one of the stations, and is then presented with the ballot for their party. After casting their ballot, the voter's VAC is ejected, and the voter is instructed to give it back to the poll staff. The VAC itself is not a ballot at all - it just authorizes a voting station to bring one up, and tells it which party's ballot to display. After a ballot has been cast using a VAC, it must be reprogrammed on the PCM prior to being used again.

    We were warned that some voters might try to cheat by claiming that they received the wrong party's ballot. We were advised that, should this happen, we should insert the card in a station to make sure that it had not been used to cast a ballot already; then, add one to the tally sheet of programmed but uncast ballots, and reprogram the VAC after checking the voter's registered party on the street address list.

    That was about it. We were shown the startup and shutdown procedures for the machines, and cast a few sample ballots with them. The regular poll workers were noted on a list, and some paperwork or other was handled. I asked about getting ahold of a poll worker's manual, and was promptly given one from a large box that was sit

  2. Recount? by MooseByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I think that current electronic voting systems are better than the traditional systems in terms of security, and also in terms of usability for most people."

    But how are those Diebold machines at allowing a recount? Do they finally create a paper trail, or is it still "faith-based voting"?

    1. Re:Recount? by dealsites · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that the electronic "trail" is good enough to hide the shady buisness that politics incurs.

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    2. Re:Recount? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's no recount possible. If you doubt the number's they're outputting, there's no way to challenge the number for validity.

      No hanging chad problems... but no pieces of paper at all to count wasn't the solution we were looking for.

    3. Re:Recount? by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA yourself - I live in San Diego and we didn't have any printer or any paper trail. I know the machines are capable of it, and the State of CA had mandated it by 2006, but we did not have them for this election.

    4. Re:Recount? by SedentaryZ · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you're mistaken. These machines have an enclosed printer that prints a total at the end of the day. The voter is not given a paper receipt. Diebold is in fact complaining that many legislatures are starting to amend laws calling for electronic voting to mandate a certifiable paper audit trail.

    5. Re:Recount? by k_head · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unless the machine is actually printing out a receipt for each and every vote that the voter can look at and confirm then the process is suspect.

      Many things can go wrong. For example.

      1) The machines could be programmed to favor one party or another. No matter who the voter selects the machine one out of a thousand times switches the vote. If only one out of a thousand voters notice the discrepency the party gains power and grants more govt contracts to diebold.

      2) the machines could skew the results enough to beat the margin for a recount. If the politician A wins by more then 5% then no recount will be triggered and nobody is wiser for it.

      As long as commercial companies are making these machines and as long as those companies are allowed to lobby and bribe politicians the process is suspect. The software should be open source period. The machines should be imaged at secure locations under tight surveillance and should be accounted for 100% of the time they are in use.

      elections are too important to trust to corporations with political agendas. The profit motive is just too great not the mess with things.

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    6. Re:Recount? by Rimbo · · Score: 3, Informative

      There were flash cards moved around, but no paper.

      I voted in the SD election as well, and in fact, I was one of the people who asked for a paper receipt. It was denied.

      There is a printer, but it's used only to print a tally of votes received at that machine. Nothing says that the data can't get corrupted before it gets there.

  3. Re:Election by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't the loser be more likely to complain?

  4. Security by Confusion? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems like these Diebold systems have all sorts of features like smart cards and locks that make them look secure, but when you actually kick the tires you realize things are not as secure as they should be.

    We'd be much better off with a system that produces prints a human readable and machine readable piece of paper, and then put those pieces of paper into a ballot box. At least, when the security of a box in plain sight gets compromised we know that something happened... the worst case here is swearing in a losing candidate.

    1. Re:Security by Confusion? by R33MSpec · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...the worst case here is swearing in a losing candidate..."

      George W. just called and wants to meet with you to discuss your idea.

    2. Re:Security by Confusion? by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Informative

      t seems like these Diebold systems have all sorts of features like smart cards and locks that make them look secure, but when you actually kick the tires you realize things are not as secure as they should be.

      Seems like Diebold's Automatic Teller Machines (ATMs) are no more secure. Until I'd clicked that link, I'd never seen the Windows Media Player playing on an ATM.

      This crap is supposed to save us from another Florida chad-count? Or have we just decided that democracy isn't really important enought to make secure?

    3. Re:Security by Confusion? by ScarKnee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was a funny comment, but do remember that in all the recounts that occurred in Florida AFTER the whole bru-haha, Dubya still came out ahead. He won the electoral vote and lost (very narrowly) the popular vote. The framers of the constitution intended the vote for President to be decided in this manner (hanging chads notwithstanding) to prevent the most-populous areas from completely controlling the vote. In a purely popular vote states like Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, Utah, and other low-population states would have very little say in the election of a president. I personally believe the electoral college is the better way. Those who wish for a strictly popular vote do so because they know they (generally liberally-minded folks) can get elected by promising to hand out more doles (or claim their opponent will take away or severely cut their hand-out) to those already dependent upon the gov't for handouts (welfare, social security, etc.) - most of those dependents live in highly populated areas.

      Anyway, we should keep it the way it is. We should also go back to allowing the State Legislatures elect members of the Senate instead of the people directly. Too many people in Washington, D.C. depend on polls of the people to determine if they should breathe, go to the bathroom, like vanilla/chocolate ice cream, etc...

      G'day

    4. Re:Security by Confusion? by ScarKnee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "BTW if you think state politicians don't look at polls you need to put your crack pipe down. The only difference between your state legilator and your senator is that your legilator is cheaper to buy."

      My point is, the Senate was originally intended to represent the State's interests, not the people within the state - at least not directly. The way things are now we may as well have just a Congress or just a Senate; they are both elected in the same manner. Both sides only want to *please* their constituents when voting time is near and then go back to catering to their lobby-of-choice when no one's looking. I know that going back to having the States elect the senators wouldn't solve everything, but I believe it'd have the potential to cut down on the all the polling for people's opinions by the Senate. The people would still have a say in the electing of Senators by electing their state legislators. The States need to have their say in the way the Federal Government is run because they are losing many rights to the Feds and we the people need things to be more localized... education, police, etc. Let the Feds help with roads, Social Security, military, etc.

      Bye

    5. Re:Security by Confusion? by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to work in mainframe operations at a bank in the 1980s and my opinion of the Diebold ATMs of the day were that they were the skankiest, poorest-designed, and just general pieces of crap. If you want to see decent ATM, you have to go to Japan. Their ATMs from 10 years ago are worlds better than the ones we have now. For years, Japanese ATMs have accepted loose coin and loose bills. Just put the coins and bills into the bill and coin hoppers, and they will be accurately counted and deposited to your account. I never saw a Japanese ATM make a mistake, but if it does, you can make it count the money again. And, from an ATM at just about any bank or post office, you can do a wire transfer to any other bank account in the country for a small fee. Of course, they ATMs all speak and have Braille keypads as well.

      Knowing that the same company that produced those abominable Diebold ATMs is now making our voting machines is pretty scary.

    6. Re:Security by Confusion? by zangdesign · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whether it's the state or the neigborhood where I live should have no bearing on who I am allowed to vote on.

      Many problems that voter face are somewhat geographic in nature, though. There's no way you can maintain the argument that problems in East Texas can be adequately represented by someone living in Northern California, or even West Texas. Not to mention which, geographic representation allows the representative to (theoretically) maintain a perspective on those problems.

      It's not fair that a person who wins 50.01% of the vote gets to shit on half the population

      That's a problem of human nature. It's not necessarily right, but it's also not something that can be easily solved until you get people into office who actually care about those they represent. The system is built to attract a certain type of person drawn to power. Perhaps, instead of drafting people into the military, we should draft them into public representation instead.

      Third parites just don't stand a chance

      Not entirely true. There is some representation by third parties at state levels. The third party voters are pretty scattered throughout the US and do not form a concentrated voting bloc in any one area.

      Who the fuck needs a president anyway

      Well, the Constitution calls for it, so unless you change the Constitution, we're stuck with it. Not to mention which, having a President allows us to have a single representative of the entire nation to deal with other nations, when it is really necessary. Most of the time, the job seems redundant or unnecessary, since most of the contact is handled through lower level representatives, but on occasion, someone has to make the hard decision and do it in a decisive way.

      Just because you don't like the one we've got (and believe me, I wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire, in the figurative AND literal sense), doesn't mean the Office is not necessary on occasion.

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    7. Re:Security by Confusion? by gripdamage · · Score: 3, Informative

      That was a funny comment, but do remember that in all the recounts that occurred in Florida AFTER the whole bru-haha, Dubya still came out ahead.

      To say Bush won every media recount (those are the recounts that happened after the election) is a distortion. The truth is Bush won every recount using only undervotes (i.e. where the problem with the ballot was a hanging chad or there was only a dimple) (See USA Today). That is the most widely used standard, and the one that Gore was asking for, so ultimately Bush won. Fine.

      But I think it might worth at least mentioning that if you include the overvotes (such as where people checked Gore and wrote in Gore) Gore won. That is to say, if the standard is voter intent, in every recount more people went to the polls intending to vote for Gore than Bush. So when you say Bush won every recount, be sure and include that little footnote, because otherwise people may think you are being dishonest. See Guardian. See USA Today. See Salon. See Washington Post.

      And you know, maybe if minority votes counted for as much as a non-minority vote, that would make a difference. See New York Times.

      Personally before Florida, I thought the voter's intent was the standard. How silly.

      Then there was the minorities being intimidated at the polls thing. Then there was Republican officials writing on a bunch of ballots to "fill in missing information." I'm not saying they didn't just fill in missing social security numbers, but it is obviously a violation of election standards to have partisan non-election officials writing on ballots. There are media references for all this stuff too. Go find them yourself. I'm tired.

    8. Re:Security by Confusion? by nobody69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those who wish for a strictly popular vote do so because they know they (generally liberally-minded folks) can get elected by promising to hand out more doles...

      Um, no. Actually a big part of the reason people want to get rid of the electoral college is because of the gut feeling, reinforced in every other US election that I can think of, is that the person with the most votes should win, coupled with the fact that all those ads say is ' for President', not 'Electoral college rep who promises to vote for , honest.' It's a perception problem as much as anything else, and you can be sure that if GWB had a majority in the popular, but had lost the electoral, the people bitching about the electoral college would be The Elephant Ass-Licking Society, not The Jackass-Licking Society.

      ...can get elected by promising to hand out more doles (or claim their opponent will take away or severely cut their hand-out) to those already dependent upon the gov't for handouts (welfare, social security, etc.) - most of those dependents live in highly populated areas.

      Actually, according to the Economic Research Service and USDA (http://www.jcpr.org/conferences/oldconferences/ru ral.html), "most poor and welfare-recipient families live outside of central cities, and substantial minorities live outside of metropolitan areas altogether," and lots of other data at the Joint Center for Poverty Research (www.jcpr.org) show that welfare reform hits rural households harder than urban ones. It seems to be mainly due to fewer jobs available in areas with lower poulation densities. Therefore, reducing 'doles' hits the rural poor harder than the urban poor, which doesn't seem to fit your hypothesis.

      Also, you seem to imply that Liberals are the reason for huge government spending. They do spend money, but so do the Conservatives - hence the budget deficits under Bush are frequently compared to the ones under Reagan. Or do you consider these Presidents liberals?

      We should also go back to allowing the State Legislatures elect members of the Senate instead of the people directly.

      And this would stop the impact of polls how? Sure, the senators would conduct the poll by calling their party boss in the state rather than calling in Gallup, but so what? Since elections are popularity contests, polls in some form or another will be there.

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  5. My dad worked polls in Orange County, CA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    He said the biggest complaint was people who wanted do-overs. With the paper ballots, people can tear it up and ask for a new ballot. With the electronic deallybobs in their current incarnation, no do-overs once you press "vote." Lots of disappointed people.

    So much for progress through IT!

  6. Real Time by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Like Bill Maher said: "Voting with computers used to sound cool and futuristic, back in 1969. Today we know that computers are just big fuck-up machines."

  7. Re:Election by Santos+L.+Halper · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't it be your fingers working faster than your brain?

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  8. Diebold ATMs @ CMU go crazy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Videos and photos of one of Diebold's ATM machines at Carnegie Mellon playing Beethoven today might amuse you.

  9. The scary part by GarbanzoBean · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the places where he said
    "It appeared to have recorded all of the votes properly, but I can't be 100% certain" or apparently.

    With 1,000,000 people voting, an error 1/1000 is enough to change the results of election for the whole state. We need paper ballots.

    It is even scarier, because he was a poll worker and did't realize this.

  10. Re:Election by Froggert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, I'm going to argue against the seemingly overwhelming majority of people out there about voting machines.

    Yes, there are issues. Are the issues any worse than what can/has been done in the past with non-electronic voting? Probably not. I think that Florida proved that you can tamper with the old system just as well as an electronic one.

    Eventually what voting comes down to is trusting that the people who run the system are honest. If you have dishonest people anywhere in the chain; you're going to get bogus results. The only solution that I can see to this issue is that the process must become more open.

    1) Diebold needs to modify the machines to produce a printed slip that shows the party X voted for. X is then responsible for ensuring that the slip makes it into the collection basket. Bar codes can be used to correlate votes in the machine and votes on paper, and verify that they match. Because the electronic vote must match the paper vote, and because the user can verify the paper vote themselves, it becomes harder to cheat.

    2) Make the vote counting process open. If anyone wants to, let them watch votes being counted. Canada does this, why not? Votes are counted to verify election results. In the event of a discrepancy, the paper votes would be used. The electronic tallies would be used for "quick" results.

    Well, it's an idea, anyways :)

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  11. Wisconsin Assembly passes Paper Trail bill by bmasel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just ran into my Assembly Rep., Marc Pocan, who informs me his bill to require a paper trail on electronic voting machines passed the Assembly unanimously. No word on whether it will be taken up in the Senate, as the session is about to wind up. Sorry, no links yet.

    We're already safe for this November, as the State Elections Board has not certified Diebold machines, or their competitors.

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  12. Diebold ATMs about as crappy too by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here are some photos of a crashed Diebold ATM from National City bank. Yep, that's the windows desktop and the college kids who took the photos were controling the machine. Be afraid.

    1. Re:Diebold ATMs about as crappy too by math+major · · Score: 3, Informative

      More at http://midnightspaghetti.com/news.htm.

  13. When is civil disobedience justified? by revscat · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have been wondering lately if phsyically damaging these machines is not justified in a system that is supposed to cherish democracy to such a high degree. Civil disobedience is justified in some cases, and I believe that the use of unverifiable electronic voting machines with known vulnerabilities is just such a case.

    Remember, Americans: Bring your voter registration card, and a sledgehammer for Diebold. They are stealing our freedom to vote, the very democracy over which so much blood has been spilled, and the corrupted political process is encouraging it via awarded contracts and almost silent acquiescence.

    This crosses political affiliations and affects all Americans. I strongly believe that this must be stopped it by all means necessary or we will lose the ability to collectively affect the policies of our country, no matter how small your individual voice might be. This is zealous, without a doubt, but not all zealotry is bad. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

    Live free or die.
    1. Re:When is civil disobedience justified? by Mose250 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't remember "civil disobedience" as practiced by Ghandi or MLK including breaking things... it was generally a peaceful type of thing. Maybe a sit-in, demonstrating outside the machines and explaining to the people who come in to vote what's wrong with them, or disobedience like this - but not wrecking the machine. Anyway, these machines seem to do a good enough job of breaking themselves - why go to all the trouble?

  14. Yeah but by fusker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does the Diebold do anything to to correct the traditionally crappy choice in candidates? Maybe if it let you create your own cadidate, position by position. Two parts "Simone", a dash of Hal, hmmmm....

  15. Go Absentee by myownkidney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And then you'll have a paper trail

    1. Re:Go Absentee by kst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I voted on a Diebold machine in San Diego this month, just so I could see how the system works. The user interface was actually very nice, but I don't trust the system or the company that makes it. I intend to use an absentee ballot from now on, until and unless we switch to human-readable paper ballots. I'll fill out my absentee ballot and drop it off at my local polling place on election day. I may not be particularly quiet about it.

      Using an absentee ballot will make it possible to recount my vote if necessary, but that doesn't do much good if everybody else's votes are miscounted.

      Don't be fooled by talk of "paper receipts". What we need are paper ballots. If they're machine-generated, that's fine; it avoids problems with incorrectly marked ballots. If they're machine-readable, that's fine too -- as long as they're also human-readable.

  16. Collection of the final data by JumboMessiah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I may be paranoid here of just ignorant of how the final process works, but my biggest fear from these things involves the transfer of the data from the precinct machines back to its central point.

    After the machines are dropped off and loaded into the "rented truck" some tech has to extract and accumlate the count data. How easy would it be to alter the counts before the data is transmitted to the central site? Suppose a non tech centric deputy was to oversee the final tally. It might be possible for the tech to alter the counts in plain sight of the deputy without him knowing specifically what's going on.

    It's really hard for me to believe with the amount of tin foil programming/tech talent available that these systems have gone into use without something as simple as a printed ballot. There too much black box magic going on in these things for me to trust them...

  17. My question by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This never seems to be addressed, but cost.

    If these machines are more difficult to operate and more expensive to maintain, and require the hiring of additional personnel to administer, why are they being used?

    Paper ballots seem exponentially cheaper in all respects, and I haven't seen a piece of oaktag crash in many years.

  18. Comprimise by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok, I admit Diebold's systems are flawed. No Paper Ballot(tm), no trust. I agree.

    Diebold and its advocates are bent and determined to use them in elections. OK, lets do that.

    The Comprimise(TM): Change the voting Method.*

    If your country is split so close, so narrowly through the center, that the *POSSIBILITY* of tampering is not 100% obvious (that causes those riots in the streets...) why not look to garner a better concensus? Why not consider altering the *structure* of the debate? Why not consider the method?

    We /.ers are so frequently decrying "Method Patents" if we cannot fathom the creation of a *fair* automated tallying system (something more 'complex' than paper), why not question what the system itself is?

    If your public discourse is incapable of discussing *that* issue -- Real Reform of Government (like, I dont know, maybe more than a Democracy of the Republicrat Party). If your paperless ballot system was meant to build concensus, you wouldnt have this debate in the first place.

    NO LARGE GROUP WOULD BE UNHAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. Maybe the "one person one vote, winner take all" system is just a little dated? Lets start communicating. Lets focus enough to discuss our governance...if we cant, why build all these "communication tools?".....oh, look, a shiny thing...

    *Woha, woha, woha. Before you go flaming me, or modding me down, I am not delivering a flippant "this is the solution" answer, im suggesting a place to start thinking. I am not for, or against, *that particular method*. There are many, how about PR? (Use Google))

  19. I live in the precinct mentioned... by xochipili · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was pissed off to have to use the new machines. I was considering voting absentee on election day (as I read that this would involve a paper ballot), or else making a stink at the voting booth and demanding a paper ballot, but I was really busy, and knew that my votes weren't likely to be critical in this election, so I let it slide.

    In a word, the system sucks. From a voter's perspective, here is what happens:

    1) Walk in, they ask you for your address and name. No ID requested.
    2) Sign your name IN PENCIL.
    3) They ask for your party affiliation ("Green" oh that's cute!)
    4) They hand you a smartcard.
    5) Go to the machine, insert the card, and use the touch-screen to vote.
    6) The interface is terrible: Looks like a demo I that someone wrote on the plane ride over to California. Fonts are hard to read, the layout is busy, etc. etc. Other interface bugs I noticed: If you hit the "Next page" button twice, it would blink the button twice, even though only one page was turned. Just crappy UI overall.
    7) I was VERY tempted to write in my own name on the "Write in" section for one of the offices. My thinking was that write-in candidates must be public info, right? So I could use this as a sort-of checksum to make sure my ballot was really cast. Make up a fake write-in candidate for an office that I didn't care about, then check the election results later. But I chickened out.
    8) The end of the process is the worst: You eject your card from the machine, take it back to the poll worker, who then throws it into the pile of used cards. I was struck by this: was my vote on the card that he had just threw back into the stack? Upon further reflection, I realized my vote was on the voting machine, but the appearance was that my vote had just been thrown away.

    Now to be fair, steps (1) and (2) have always been that way. No ID required (for good reason), but why sign your name in pencil?

    But the rest of the system did not inspire confidence. It felt very, very sketchy.

  20. DIEBOLD Politics by myownkidney · · Score: 4, Informative

    I did a search on Money in Politics Database and found 27 records of DIEBOLD employees donating to political campaigns, and 16 of which to the Bush-Cheny 04 Campaign.

  21. Diebold ATM crash by Rufus211 · · Score: 5, Informative

    As other people have posted here are pictures of a Diebold ATM crashed here on campus that dropped to the Windows XP display. We poked around at it for a while because the monitor was a touch screen (and a very, very crappy one that that). Interesting things:

    - Windows media player was installed (as seen in the pictures)
    - It's a P4 2GHz with 512mb of ram (wtf?! why on earth does it need that)
    - There's a CD-RW installed
    - There are two partitions and C: can't be accessed
    - There's the standard crap that comes in My Documents (like the Beethoven playing)
    - The printer is an Epson USB printer
    - There was a device listed for ATM Driver or something, I presume what actually feeds cash.
    - We never were able to get the network up, but there's an Intel network card in there.
    - For some reason there are speakers so we could hear the Beethoven.
    - It's running XP Embedded, didn't catch what version or what patches it had.
    - There was some sort of Text-to-Speech (or maybe S-to-T) program
    - As you can see Acrobat is installed
    - Remote Desktop was enabled! (might have been turned on by one of us though)

    That's what I remember from the 5 minutes before running to class.

    1. Re:Diebold ATM crash by gad_zuki! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmmm..

      >It's a P4 2GHz with 512mb of ram (wtf?! why on earth does it need that)

      "Rich" media ads. You'll need some power to play compressed video of that next hollywood blockbuster while you wait for your cash. Or maybe its just cheaper to buy 'off the shelf' PC commodity stuff. Prob both. Thats probably why WMP was installed.

      The speakers are for the future ads and for the interface for the blind. Most have headphone jacks too.

    2. Re:Diebold ATM crash by ScarKnee · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have about 10 years of experience dealing with ATMs ( I work for a credit union ) and dealing with Diebold in general. When we enter supply mode and end the day's transactions we download the ATM's logs to a floppy disk and then import those transactions into a l'il prog that Diebold gave us. I believe the CD-RW is likely a replacement for the floppy drive and allows the ATM to "journal" its activities over a longer period of time to a very cheap media. Older ATMs "journalled" to a roll of paper usually located inside the machine.

      Anyway, it's kind of reasonable to have a CD-RW, but 512MB RAM seems to be a bit of overkill.

      It also sucks that IBM discontinued OS/2, because older machines often ran it and rarely went down for OS reasons - speaking from experience and also from asking our Diebold rep about it - I have to get his opinion on these voting machines (if he's allow to comment on them).

      Bye

  22. Re:Election by Mose250 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hmm... maybe we should check those facts.

    I don't like the guy either, but this Florida crap has to stop. Complain about his policy in Iraq, in Afghanistan, domestically, whatever - there's plenty of good fodder for criticism - but sour grapes won't win you any minds.

  23. I, too, worked the SD Polls by Psychohermit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was an assitant systems inspector. We had problems as well, but they were not as bad as the article describes. Our PCM didn't boot into the software, but it was an easy fix -- someone else fixed it before I showed up. I actually ended up driving over to the next precinct over to rescue them -- they didn't have any teenagers working there so no one knew how to use a computer. I started poking around the root filesystem looking for a link to the executable. I noticed a directory called "autoexec" so I checked it out only to find that it contained neither the executable nor a link thereto. I finally found the actual location of the executable--it seemed to be on a datacard of some sort--and started it for them. We had one voting maching give a blank page to someone when it was in large print high contrast mode, but we just hit next and it was fine. The worst problem we had was this: At the end of the day we log into the machines with the admin access card and print a report of the vote totals. One of our machines failed to print -- it just cut off in the middle and wouldn't reprint (some paper trail, eh?). In fact, during the training session, I saw one machine print a line of gibberish when instructed to print. Maybe there's a buffer overflow in the print system somewhere. The worst part was that the voting stations give a total number of votes cast onscreen and a total on the printed tape, and on all of our machines but one, these did not match. They were all off by one vote. I got reports of the same behavior from other poll workers at different precincts. I cancelled one ballot that day, so that might explain the one machine with matching totals. Perhaps the total shown onscreen counts the admin login as a vote. At any rate, it's a stupid error. So, that's my story. Now I just gotta wait for the government to send my check...

    1. Re:I, too, worked the SD Polls by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I was an assitant systems inspector. We had problems as well, but they were not as bad as the article describes.

      True. They were much, much worse. Reread your post, please!

      I started poking around the root filesystem looking for a link to the executable.
      What are they thinking giving every clerk everywhere root?

      I finally found the actual location of the executable--it seemed to be on a datacard of some sort--and started it for them.
      Other posters have noted that you have no way of verifying that this is the correct excutable. What if it was a testing version, or something else uncertified by the state?

      We had one voting maching give a blank page to someone when it was in large print high contrast mode, but we just hit next and it was fine.
      And this is the sort of thing that can be horribly troublesome. People with poor eyesight are mostly (though not exclusively) the elderly--a group that are not known for their comfort (in general) with computers. And here they are with a blank screen.

      One of our machines failed to print -- it just cut off in the middle and wouldn't reprint (some paper trail, eh?).
      How many people voted at that machine? A hundred? Five hundred? How many votes are now either irretrievable at worst or highly suspect at best? Even though it couldn't print the totals, you expect it to submit electronically the correct tally?

      The worst part was that the voting stations give a total number of votes cast onscreen and a total on the printed tape, and on all of our machines but one, these did not match. They were all off by one vote.
      How is this problem not very, very serious? First, you lose whatever thin reassurance the total provided. The system now is without an effective check on number of ballots cast. Second, if there was an error--if it was randomly distributed then it's unlikely (though not impossible) for it to affect an election. If it was systematic (deliberately, or just a programming error that inadvertantly doesn't count the first vote for the first candidate, or something like that) then this could be very serious. If five hundred people use each machine, and you lose one of every five hundred votes for a candidate, that's an error of 2000 votes per million ballots. That's appalling--and larger than the margins in a number of states in the last Presidential election.

      --
      ~Idarubicin
  24. Diebold was put to the test earlier this year.. by Anubis333 · · Score: 4, Informative


    Diebolds voting technology was actually put to the test by some security experts this year who found that:

    - It was an "easy matter," they reported, to reprogram the access cards used by voters and vote multiple times.

    - They were able to attach a keyboard to a voting terminal and change its vote count.

    - And by exploiting a software flaw and using a modem, they were able to change votes from a remote location.

    "Diebold, the machines' manufacturer, rushed to issue a self-congratulatory press release with the headline "Maryland Security Study Validates Diebold Election Systems Equipment for March Primary." The study's authors were shocked to see their findings spun so positively."

  25. The Digital Commons by flopsy+mopsalon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The central problem with electronic voting lies not with bugs, hardware failures, or security, but rather than with our modern concept of democracy and where we see ourselves going as citizens of a common nation.

    It is clear that present electronic voting efforts are the first step in a general program of transforming voting as we know it into an online, decentralized process, with the final goal being a system where voting is an activity as simple and hassle-free as ordering a pizza or sufing to a website.

    Therein lies the problem. As citizens of a common nation, our involvement in the democratic process should be something that brings us together, together with people we would not ordinarily encounter, for what can only be called our sacred ritual of casting votes. A ballot should not be a screen with virtual buttons floating in hyperspace, it should be a hefty card, symbolizing the hefty decision that lies with each voter, it shows our seriousness that decision needs is embodied in the real physical ballots that are carefully tallied and counted and not simply disseminated into electronic bits.

    The process of voting should be a little inconveniencing, with voters having to drive to the polling station, stand in line, and punch a ballot. It reinforces our sense of civic pride to have to make a bit of an effort to vote. It demeans the democratic system for the voting process to be allowed to atrophy into a simple matter of point-and-click, no need to get out of your chair. Choosing the laws and leadership of a nation should be an act more involved than switching channels.

    When the once-proud rituals of democracy are reduced to a set of simple gestures, once the paricipants in the voting process are reduced to a mass of isolated individuals typing on keyboards or pushing buttons on PDAs, a sense of togetherness is lost. The insiduous decentralization of the voting system that is the end result of electronic voting can only lead to the erosion of our sense of citizenship, of being equal paricipants in something larger than ourselves. Could the erosion of democracy itself be far behind? It seems the dystopian corporate-run societies of so-called "cyberpunk" "fiction" more than just sci-fi.

  26. Diebold CEO Bush contributor and evangelist.. by Anubis333 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone else find it weird that the maker of the horribly insecure "paperless" Diebold voting machines is a massive Bush Campaign contributor?

    In Ohio [he] told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

    The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

    O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.

    The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election.


    [Link to the story quoted above]

  27. Are we missing something? by LighthouseJ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    When I think back to Florida in the 2000 elections, wasn't the problem that voters picked no president (where the people had to determine if a chad was punched out enough to count as a vote) or picked the wrong president (butterfly vote layout)?

    Well, these voting machines are the wrong tool to fix this problem. The electronic voting machine like Diebold's are meant to totally erase the paper trail which is very bad thing, IMO. What they should make is basically a ballot booth that prints punchcards. You stand at the machine and it asks you:
    Who do you want for president?
    [ ] George W. Bush (R)
    [ ] John Kerry (D)
    ...
    [ ] None
    Then the machine punches the ballot for you, so there won't be any confusion as to who you're voting for. You can also run an independant tally in the electronic machine, then check it against the punch cards by feeding them back in to a reader, if everything meets up, then few people can contest the results.
  28. comment on open source in the poll worker's manual by laird · · Score: 4, Informative

    A Q/A transcribed (by me) from the scanned manuals distributed to poll workers:

    "what about the issue of Open Source Code?"

    Diebold's ballot tabulation source code is checked extensively by an independent testing authority which tests according to voting software standards developed by the Federal Election Commission. Once this test process is successfully completed, the source code is placed in an escrow facility.

    Source Code is not open to the public to protect not only the companies intellectual property, but also to prevent the possibility of tampering or other fraudulent manipulation of the tabulation program.

    in Georgia, the Secretary of State challenged a citizen to try to tamper with the ballot tabulation program after this citizen made claims about the program's vulnerability. When the citizen learned the source code was not available, she abandoned the effort to tamper with the program.

  29. What is wrong with paper ballots ? by frost22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is wrong with paper ballots ? Maybe someone can enlighten me. I live in a 80M poeple nation where paper ballots seem to work without any problem. We have elections, some of them rather complicated, and usually you have to vote on something every 1-2 years. We always get speedy and dependable results - even with national elections that are way mor complicated than a US presidential elections we usually have a stable estimation before midnight on voting day, ad a provisorical result sometime next day. There never was any problem with vote fraud worth mentioning (though occasionally a politician gets in trouble with the finer points of anti-vote-fraud laws) and basically the perception is that this just works.

    Why can't yopu make that work in the US ?

    --
    ...and here I stand, with all my lore, poor fool, no wiser than before.
  30. Paper ballots are most accurate by persaud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An MIT/Caltech study of voting technology found that paper ballots are the most accurate.

    The 2004 Democratic primary had a turnout pattern of primary-specific apathy (lower than expected votes) and caucus-specific inspiration (high and record high votes). Why did the New York primary record a 20-year low turnout on the same day that the Minnesota caucus recorded a 33-year high turnout?

    South Carolina's state Dem party fought pressure from the national Dems to institute a loyalty oath for voters, which would have torpedoed Edwards. State officials chose to hand count paper ballots for security, even though machines were available. South Carolina was one of the few 2004 primaries to report record turnout and the only state where Edwards won.

    Hand counted paper ballots are the gold standard of voting. Cheaper and faster are neither necessary nor desirable properties of biennial elections.