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"Witty" Worm Wrecks Computers

An anonymous reader writes "A new Internet worm wriggled across the entire Internet in the span of a few hours Saturday morning to all computers running several recent versions of firewall software from Internet Security Systems, including BlackICE and RealSecure, according to this story at Washingtonpost.com. The flaw that Witty exploited was discovered Wednesday by eEye Digital Security. The worm overwrites data on the first few sectors of the victim's hard drive, making the machine virtually ubootable and potentially destroying much - if not all - of the victim's data." Update: 03/21 02:18 GMT by T : Reader Jeff Horning points out that eEye actually disovered the worm on the 8th of March, and came up with a fix the next day.

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  1. Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by berniecase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although they ain't perfect, at least they're not running on your computer. Yikes.

    1. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by U.I.D+754625 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Windows software firewalls have a shoddy history anyway. I remember BlackICE exploits from years ago. I don't see anything wrong with Linux' Netfilter or Open BSD's packet filter. This is code that the security experts use to secure their own machines, and is probably running on hardware firewalls anyways (like cisco).

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    2. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by Frambooz · · Score: 5, Funny
      "Although they ain't perfect, at least they're not running on your computer. Yikes."

      People would be much better off with hardware versions of Internet Explorer and Outlook (Express) in that respect. Yikes.

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    3. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by JPriest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They call it security software and have services in listening state? Nobody seems to get it.

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    4. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by hendridm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ehh, customers of BlackICE are probably used to annoying software being installed on their computers anyway. The loss of data is probably on par with the annoyances BlackICE's notifications create for both the user and the poor soul(s) at the call center of his/her choice.

      luser: "It says someone might be trying to break into my computer! How can I stop them?"
      Me: "Um, it's just a port scan. You probably get scanned hundreds of times a day. It's normal."
      luser: "But BlackICE says it might be an attack!"
      Me: "Try clearing your Internet Explorer cache and rebooting. Call back if problems persist."

      For the love of GOD, please don't install BlackICE or similarly annoying firewalls on your parent's or novice friends computers! Spend the $30 and get them a hardware solution, or at least use something that is less of a PITA.

    5. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Stick to hardware routers and firewalls

      And when the hardware box has a 0-day exploit and a worm gets loose before the patch, what then? All of your boxes are potentially vulnerable instead, that's what. Trusting your security to a single product, hardware or software, is a disaster waiting to happen, and for some of ISS's customers its probably happening right now.

      Pretty much all SOHO routers have a firewall capabilty these days, and there are free "personal" firewall systems for all majors OSs. If you are connected to the net and have a clue about security, you'll be using both and monitoring both white and blackhat security sites daily. That all patches are applied as soon as prudent goes without saying of course...

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    6. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, blackice should probably default to logging, but not alerting about the most common scans and such, but it's certainly useful for detecting a large number of attacks coming from specific addresses or blocks.

      I think it's a pretty good piece of software myself as far as protection for novices goes, but I don't work in ISP tech support, and have no desire to :)

      I've used it in combination with a hardware firewall for years. The hardware firewall catches 99% of the crap as far as scans and such, and blackice catches server-attacks such as badly formatted HTTP requests, DNS hacks, FTP exploit attempts, and such.

      N.

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    7. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I cannot begin to imagine the pleasure and joy of having to program/burn/flash/install the latest versions of the Internet Explorer/Outlook Express BIOS ROMS every time a new security update came out. Having my mortal flesh torn apart by hooks would be less painful. Although, having PC's go back to the days of ROM cartridges wouldn't be too bad. Maybe this could happen when 1 Gigabyte ROM's become commoditized.

    8. Re:Stick to hardware routers and firewalls... by Imperator · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, blackice should probably default to logging, but not alerting about the most common scans and such

      The problem with someone that claims to protect you from something is that they will make a lot of noise about all the things they're supposedly protecting you from, so that you think they're making you safe. Those crappy Windows firewalls do that, as well as AV software. For a non-software example, look at how US prosecutors love to bring cases for "terrorism" and make lots of noise about it, even if those cases all get thrown out of court.

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  2. One question by slash-tard · · Score: 4, Funny

    How can we blame M$ for this?

    1. Re:One question by dicepackage · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or better yet blame SCO.

    2. Re:One question by Blackbrain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be fair if the system softs allow a firewall app to write to the boot block of the disk, I would blame the system softs.

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  3. where are all the virus's that do real damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    glad to see virus's doing some real damage now, im tired of these stupid virus that just send out emails.. how weak, if we had more virus's that would wipe out entire systems then there would be some more pressure on software companys to fix things

    1. Re:where are all the virus's that do real damage? by aenea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And more pressure on users to keep their systems patched up. It's a rare virus/worm that comes in through an unknown exploit.

      If someone wrote a destructive netsky/bagle variant the email traffic on the Internet would probalby drop in half overnight as infected machines got taken out.

    2. Re:where are all the virus's that do real damage? by JPriest · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why is this modded troll, it is a good point. If they wipe the disk clean they force the USER to police their own system, rather than forcing admins to try an police the mess of traffic caused by users that don't give a shit.

      Users are not going to remove all the worms from their PCs, maybe it is a good thing to have a worm that cleans the PC for them every 6 months or so.

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    3. Re:where are all the virus's that do real damage? by Mesaeus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't forget there are actually lusers out there who know their windows box is infected but refuse to do something about it because they aren't hindered by the virusses and doing something would cost money/time/energy (take your pick). I've encountered some of these and I wish their computer a slow, painful death.

    4. Re:where are all the virus's that do real damage? by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      JUST maybe wake people up enough to get their geek friends and family to install norton antivirus for them and set up automatic updates and scans.

      Doesn't seem to help. In theory you are correct, a person who runs a virus scanner with an automatic update autoscan should be pretty damn secure. This only works in enviroments where the end user either keeps their PC on 24/7, or doesn't shut off the damn scanner evertime they turn on their PC to use it.

      From what I've observed, the people who are not familar with PCs who own them see a scanner popup just close it down as it slowes down their computer when they want to use it... and never take the time to reschedual the scan. Worse they yell at you if they catch a virus / worm / spy ware without taking into account that they are the ones who told their computer to stop scanning for viruses.

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  4. Nasty flaw by BlueLightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a shame when the very piece of software you set up to protect your system turns out to be your system's destruction :(

  5. Back in my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Worms and Viruses caused DATA LOSS!

    It's nice to see a worm that actually damages your disk once again. Perhaps people will begin to see them as more than a nuiscance.

  6. Thats what you get by MajorDick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean seriously who ever thought it was a good idea to run a firewall on the actual computer connected to the net ? I mean you can buy an applicance router/firewall that is GOOD for what 29 Bucks , thats what I just paid for my netgear wireless router. I have never understood why you would want to run the firewall on the actual connected system. Guess they cant say its better than running nothing anymore.

    1. Re:Thats what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I mean seriously who ever thought it was a good idea to run a firewall on the actual computer connected to the net ? I mean you can buy an applicance router/firewall that is GOOD for what 29 Bucks , thats what I just paid for my netgear wireless router.

      Three words: application access privileges.
  7. Come on.... by karlm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you really expect us to believe more than ten people worldwide run Windows on their firewalls? ;-)

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  8. Re:Liability? by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was just thinking about this, can the company be held liable for their software allowing others to basically destroy all data on the computer?

    Then I got to thinking, what about Microsoft whose os's and products who have cost millions and millions of dollars.... while some of them require user interaction, others have effectively shutdown the internet for wide areas for short periods of the time.. remember the sql one? :)

  9. Now that's powerful by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most infected computers will have to be rebuilt from scratch unless their owners instead decide to buy new ones

    I didn't know worms were so powerful now that they could melt a computer into a pile of toxic sludge. : /


    -Colin

  10. This is a perfect time to promote the expression by Eudial · · Score: 5, Funny

    "FGTRGDI" (Feels good to run gnu/linux doesent it?)

    More cryptic acronyms to the people!

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  11. Avoiding Viruses and Trojans by RGautier · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that you've got yourself a computer system at home, you'll want to protect it from the evils of the Internet. Because Operating Systems are chock full of holes just waiting to be exploited, you should, at a minimum, take the following steps... Step 1. Go out and buy a firewall product for your machine. Also pick up some virus protection software. Step 2. Ok, now install the firewall software... Oh......Damn It!

  12. two striking things... by psycho_tinman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First, the speed at which the exploit was translated from advisory to a malicious worm.. Second, this is one of the few old-school "do as much damage as you can" worms. At least it makes a change from the monotony of the mass mailing attachment exploit variety of viruses..Not a welcome change for the people who got hit by it of course :(

    By the way, in case you get prompted for registration and your principles don't allow you to give out your email address, use Bugme Not to find a login. Click here

  13. how do you lose the data? by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How would overwriting the first few sectors result in loss of all data? Wouldn't that just overwrite the boot sector only? Can't you still retrieve your data?

    Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    1. Re:how do you lose the data? by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can. I can. 99.9% of Windows users can't.

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    2. Re:how do you lose the data? by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it's a FAT16 or FAT32 partition, the primary FAT table will be wiped. While there is a second copy at the end of the partition, finding and restoring it will not be trivial.

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  14. Very sad. by lazy_arabica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, every windows user aware of this will believe a firewall is a great danger for his computer.

    Oh... After all, what will it change ?

  15. This is an interesting one, almost biological by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Informative

    From LURHQ

    "This worm has been found to be highly malicious, slowly destroying the systems it infects. Because of this activity, at some point this worm will cease to exist - unfortunately it will take all the affected systems with it. Rather than simply executing a "format C:" or similar destructive command, the worm slowly corrupts the filesystem while it continues to spread."

    Like many biological viruses it slowly erodes the health of its host, permitting the host to go on infecting new hosts for some time. How long exactly appears to be unpredictable.

    It doesn't kill its host outright immediately and it doesn't allow its host to continue indefinitely. Its like a true disease, a terminal illness for computers (pun not intended).

    I think this will be with us for a while, particularly when mutations start showing up.

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    1. Re:This is an interesting one, almost biological by Clover_Kicker · · Score: 3, Funny

      There were some really evil viruses back in the day. Fumble: This virus will generate typing errors, every now and then. That is, if you press the "R" key for example, it will occasionally insert another letter like "E" in the text instead. dBASE: The dBase virus is very rare, but rather curious. It is clearly intended to garble dBase files, or rather any file with a name that ends in .DBF.

      If the virus is active in memory when a program writes to a .DBF file, it will garble all the outgoing data. However, when the data is read back later, the virus will correct the garbled data.

      There is just one problem. If the virus is detected and removed, the data will be useless because the virus will not be present to "de-garble" it when it is read back.

      There is a more harmful side to this virus. If an attempt is made to write to a .DBF file that is more that three months old, the virus will try to destroy the FAT and root directory on drives D:, E: .... Z: There is a bug in the code, however, so the destruction will be rather unpredictable. I have no idea why someone hasn't put an imaginatively evil payload in a modern virus.

  16. Worthless govt agency by EvilStein · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's a weekend, why should they care about putting out their timely alerts, eh?

    "Officials at the Department of Homeland Security, which is in charge of the government's cybersecurity efforts, were unavailable for comment."

  17. Re:Oh no by delta407 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Blaster disabled a system, but it was fixable. This one can make a total mess.
    Oh, whatever.

    Several months ago, Microsoft CHKDSK effectively destroyed one of my NTFS partitions -- it managed to screw up $MFT (which points to the location of the Master File Table) and the copy of $MFT within $MFTMirr (which is supposed to be used if $MFT is broken). Anyway, long story short, I spent a couple weeks staring at hex dumps and printouts of the Linux-NTFS project's NTFS documentation. After consuming inordinate amounts of caffeine, I came up with SalvageNTFS, an open-source NTFS data recovery tool that got back all the data I wanted. Assuming the physical media is intact (as in, all read requests to the disk are successful), SalvageNTFS can retrieve data if there is even a single record of the MFT intact.

    If the first few sectors of the disk are overwritten, you'll lose the MBR, the partition table, and maybe the boot sector of your first partition. However, the filesystem of that partition is likely to be largely or completely intact. Think: in a few weeks with no prior knowledge of NTFS internals, I created a tool that can continue to operate in this environment. I'd hardly call that a "total mess".
  18. Or if you prefer... by Big+Sean+O · · Score: 4, Funny

    Newspapers, magazines, letters, and stamps.

    How 1980s. Yikes.

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  19. Serves 'em right. by ljavelin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, serves these folks right! I mean who'd be stupid enough to have a Windows machine on the internet without any kind of firewa...

    err, never mind.

  20. Snort Detection by Leme · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Installed a snort rule this morning using:

    alert udp any 4000:5000 -> any any (msg:"Witty Initial Traffic";
    content:"|29202020202020696e73657274207 76974747920 6d6573736167652068657265|";re\v:1;)

    Found via http://isc.incidents.org/diary.html?date=2004-03-2 0.

    After running it for about 10 minutes and seeing 1,000's of matches, I decided it was better to delete the rule since it was logging to a MySQL database for fear of overloading the disk, and go back to bed.

  21. First Hand Experience by tuckericj · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is indeed a particularly nasty worm. Several other divisions of my company are battling infections. The master boot record on an infected host is almost certainly destroyed by this little dandy and any host which might have been rebooted before an infection is detected is inoperable. Thankfully it is only the relatively recent versions of the software packages that are effected. The divine combination of wisdom and laziness has found this systems administrator blessedly behind the times. The decision to stop upgrading out ISS tools in favor of a push towards OSS now seems all the more prescient. For those in the community who expect big businesses to flop over to OSS immediately, don't hold your breath. Nothing happens over night because big business is slow, no matter how fast the company's advert department declares them to be. We've been actively switching systems over to Linux and OSS for two years now, but the average depreciation cycle means that it takes a minimum of 5 years to switch over an environment, and that only if you put a stake in the ground. Realistically it takes 7 to 10 years to switch over and IT environment in a company which judges IT investment solely on Cost Benefit Analysis.

  22. Recovery Tool by soloport · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah. Knoppix to the rescue! (Again)

    1. Re:Recovery Tool by soloport · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah. Knoppix to the rescue! (Again)

      Wow. How is this 'offtopic'?

      Am I the only one who, nearly every week, recovers a client's "valuable data" using Knoppix when something has eaten Windows alive? (And sometimes Windows eats itself alive, unfortunately.)

  23. My personal theory by PacoTaco · · Score: 3, Funny

    I bet this worm was written by a disgruntled network administrator sick of those "I'm being attacked" emails.

  24. Re:This is a perfect time to promote the expressio by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny


    > More cryptic acronyms to the people!

    That's MCATTP around here, chum.

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  25. Call me a troll if you will... by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but this is inherently why the idea of a firewall LOCAL to the system it is protecting is a ... shall I say "retarded" idea.

    A firewall is best a physical device between your network and the "great big intarweb". That way if your firewall IS comprimised, you arent immediatly toast.

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  26. IT WAS YOU!!! by gbrayut · · Score: 5, Interesting
    from washington post article:
    The Witty worm gets its moniker from a message buried within its code that says: "insert witty message here." That comes just before the code that overwrites the infected hard drives.
  27. talked with an ISS guy by jeramybsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I was on a scuba cruise and there was a guy from ISS onboard. He was bragging to me about how ISS had all these 18 year old uber-crackers with fast cares and no college degree making their products.

    I told him I would never buy any of their products since I figured they were just as likely to insert their own backdoors in the products due to maturity reasons.

    This is just priceless though, I wish that guy a hardy Nelson "har har".

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  28. Knoppix by amembleton · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The worm overwrites data on the first few sectors of the victim's hard drive, making the machine virtually ubootable and potentially destroying much - if not all - of the victim's data.

    Surelly you could still access the data and copy it onto another Hard disk, burn it to CD or copy it to a USB pen by running Knoppix.

  29. Re:This is crazy by lazy_arabica · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I don't get this shit on my computer because I use a firewall and PC-Cillin updates daily. It's a shame because as linux becomes popular, viruses will exist for it too.


    Virus for Linux are not likely to be very damageable. For doing such kind of things (ie. the first blocks of a hard disk), the virus should be based on a remote root exploit, which happens, but is *very* rare. Most exploits are local, so you can't use them if you don't have a ssh account on this computer.

    It's easier in a windows environment to make big remote damages because many programs and servers run at administrator rights ; which is the case of this firewall software. In linux, all the firewalling stuff is based on netfilter/iptables, netfilter in kernel space, and iptables as the super-user interface. The benefit of having firewalling facilities in kernel space, integrated with the TCP/IP stuff, are that the size of the potentially unsecure code is quite small, when in windows all the security stuff is a user space developers responsability.

    I know this may look like a troll. But windows security design is a disaster ; and I don't think this will really change soon.
  30. Re:How... by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Code running with Administrator privileges is assumed to be trustworthy and know what it is doing. The problem is that there is way too much code running as Administrator.

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  31. Be realistic by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The average joe isnt going to be monitoring any lists.. they will just ( hopefully ) plug in whatever box that came with their pc.. or at worst, accept defaults on software, which normally is useless..

    Thast the reality of 90% of the 'home users'.. so a 'free' hardware firewall is the best solution. Since they give away printers, they shoudld be giving away firewalls too.. they are just as cheap. ( though, yes i realize that they make their money via ink carts.. but you get my point )

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  32. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Worms? *rubs ass on carpet*

    Ahhhh~

  33. Re:One question, and one answer. by iansmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, pretty easy.

    If you could actually turn off unwanted and insecure services you wouldn't NEED a firewall.

    My FreeBSD/Linux based routers serve as firewalls for my Windows boxes. Very easy to turn off everything but ssh.

    In Windows you can't even tell whats running let alone shut it off. There are many ports that get attached to every interface and no way to fix it.

    The first and only firewall most people need is an OS that doesn't open itself up to the world like a cheap two-bit, umm, door. Or something. :-)

  34. first few sectors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From looking at the disassembly it looks more like it sends 20000 copies of itself to random destinations, then tries to open one of HD0-7, if the open fails it goes back to sending, if it succeeds it overwrites a random 64kB-aligned 64kB chunk of the first 2 GiB with some data, reseeds the prng and goes back to sending, if the open fails it simply loops back to sending another 20k copies.

    I'd hardly call 2GiB a few sectors...

  35. Re:Imprecise! by Xugumad · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try running Testdisk: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html

    It comes as part of Knoppix I believe, and was a great help last time someone lost their partition table. After that, just fsck as normal.

  36. Overwrites 64k of data at random location,NOT MBR! by gbrayut · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the ISS X-Force alert:
    Description:

    The Witty worm exploits a stack-based overflow in ICQ response parsing
    in the Protocol Analysis Module (PAM) of ISS products. It is a memory-
    resident worm only, and contains no file payload. Witty propagates via
    UDP, sending UDP packets with a random destination and destination port.
    The source port of Witty traffic is 4000, and the source address is not
    spoofed.

    The worm will attempt to propagate immediately by sending copies of
    itself out across the wire to random targets. After sending a predefined
    number of packets, Witty attempts to open a randomly determined physical
    drive and write 64k of data to a random location. This cycle repeats for
    every 20,000 packets sent.
    Ouch....
  37. Not so trivial... by Svartalf · · Score: 3, Informative

    It doesn't just write the the MBR. It pushes 64k of data to RANDOM locations on a randomly selected hard-disk. At some point it bombs the MBR, but it bombs other portions of the disks on a machine.

    NASTY worm. Definitely old-school in nature- I wondered when someone would get around to making something along these lines.

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  38. Incorrect analysis? by James_G · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to this analysys, it does a lot more than corrupt the first few sectors of the drive:

    The worm's functionality is as follows:

    1) Generates a random IP address
    2) Sends the worm payload
    3) Repeats steps 1-2 20,000 times
    4) Opens a random PHYSICALDRIVE from 0-7, which allows raw hard disk access
    5) Seeks to a random point on the disk
    6) Writes 65K of data from the beginning of the vulnerable DLL to the disk

    7) Closes the disk
    8) Starts the process over from step 1

    (emphasis mine)

  39. points for speed and damage by neoThoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well i'm glad this was posted on slashdot even though I had submitted this *hours* before.
    I've also updated my blog with all the relevent links and data . The speed of the worm creation is frightening, less then 5 days from the vulnerability announcement to the time that the worm hit the internet. No one can claim this is a spamming effort either since, as noted in other posts here, it is destroying the disks on the machine as well. It's actually like a game of russion roulette, it targets one of the first 8 disks and if the disk doesn't exist it simply continues it's routine of attacking 20,000 random addresses. This is the first worm I can remember that is actually malicious.
    Listed on the above blog are the following links:
    eEye advisory
    ISS advisory
    lurhq analysis
    SANS diary report
    F-Secure writeup
    Symantec writeup
    Witty Worm Capture 1 and 2 (from dslreports.com)
    and the text from SANS capture of the worm.

    I've been capturing UDP traffic all day and hope to compile some more interesting information later on.

  40. Re:Is ZoneAlarm Vulnerable too? by WreckDiver · · Score: 3, Funny

    Blue screens and memory dumps are normal Windows behavior. Nothing to be worried about.

  41. One wonders what else got in this way by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Every time there's some high-profile attack that exploits a huge hole like this, there are probably other attacks using the same hole. Ones that quietly break in, look for interesting data like credit card numbers, transmit to a remote system, and exit.

    This is a huge hole. It requires no end-user action whatsoever to exploit. The "security" program it attacks is probably running with administrator privileges, even on locked down systems. There's no reason a packet filter should be able to write raw disks. In fact, if it still runs with those privileges, you want to get this "security" product off your system now. This might not be the only hole.

  42. Shouldnt it be: by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Witty" Worm Wrecks Workstations!

  43. As a Linux user.. by msimm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to apologise for the poster your responding to and I'd like to point that the 99.9% of OTHER Linux users are not starry eyed PFB's trying to cram their particular religion down everyone's throats.

    We know Linux needs work before its ready for prime time, just like we know that there are certain trade-offs between convenance and security.

    I do believe that Windows users have gotten a bit of a drop here by Microsoft, but that would be more of a monopoly issue and bad planning (if we had the lead all this time WE would certainly have made some mistakes too).

    So keep using your Windows PC in peace. Its got a lot of useful functionality and as a Gnome developer once suggested, the most secure operating system is the one your comfortable with and can keep updated. As Linux gains marketshare you can bet some vunerabilities will be found, some we'll expect and some we wont. Maybe you'll find it more appealing after its had more time to mature. Don't let zealots color your opinions too much, they speak for themselves.

    --
    Quack, quack.
  44. Re:Sucks to be a Windows user by Microlith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, we don't really give a crap about what you want. You're mostly cluebies who shouldn't have a say in the matter, and the cause of most of these problems. You're the ones who use the vulnerable software, and click on things because they tell you to. (Remember, one of the last worms was purely a trojan---the user had to do all the work.)

    You should use Linux (or OSX, or whatever), because we tell you to, and we know what we're talking about. You're causing problems that affect a lot of people (the networks get saturated), and you need to stop.


    Oh god shut up, shut up, shut the FUCK UP.

    *cough*

    Excuse me, but you can shove that condescending know-it-all attitude straight up your ass.

    I use Windows because the overall experience, at least for Desktop use, has been better. Stuff actually works the way I expect it to. I plug in a firewire hard disk, it installs and loads drivers, and the partitions, if any, appear. Instantly. No going to linux1394.org, downloading a shell script, and hoping it works. I click a torrent in mozilla, or Explorer, or whatever, and it loads my Bittorrent client automatically. More recent distros are better, but you won't win anyone over with that attitude.

    Last time I had reliability problems with windows, the hard disk was failing. But since I fixed that problem (which not even Linux is immune to) I've had ZERO problems booting. And to be honest, I haven't had any security problems.

    Whoa, you think I'm lying, right?

    No, I'm not. In the time I've been running 2K and XP, not once have I had:

    A Trojan
    A Worm
    Spyware
    Malware

    of any sort have any sort of presence on my machine.

    Granted, I run Mozilla, Apache (with a secured user-account of its own,) instead of the usual windows implements. Sometimes the opensource community does create stuff that truly JUST WORKS. At least they're smart enough to not get arrogant about it.

    But for kicks I run without a firewall and as an administrator 100% of the time. Still waiting for all the problems you describe.

    So, kindly, pull that stick out of your ass. Thank you.

  45. Re:One question, and one answer. by sleezly · · Score: 3, Informative
    In Windows you can't even tell whats running let alone shut it off. There are many ports that get attached to every interface and no way to fix it.

    You can't tell whats running? This is very easy, actually. Try this:

    To see what ports are currently listening:
    netstat -an

    To see what services are attached to what process:
    tasklist /svc

    To stop a process (until next boot):
    sc stop _service_name_

    To query a state of a process:
    sc query _service_name_

  46. Re:Hardware FireWalls by pe1chl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >buy some sort of hardware firewall.

    >I reccomend Linksys

    I hate to disappoint you, but your linksys box is not a hardware firewall.
    It is a dedicated microcomputer that runs a SOFTWARE firewall.

    The potential for an exploit that pierces this firewall or erases all its program memory is not less than with the product currently under attack.

    All firewalls can have bugs. This is determined by the quality of the software, and the fact that it runs in a small plastic box is not automatically going to improve that.
    Calling it "hardware" isn't going to do that either.

  47. My WinXP box got hit with this by Axisted · · Score: 3, Informative

    [accidently posted this in the hardware router anonymously] After running BlackICE for less than a week, curious to see for myself what it was capable of, I was unlucky enough to get hit with this and lucky enough to kill it after it ran for an hour and half (blackd.exe opened port 4000 locally at 5:17 gmt, Mar.19.) It doesn't appear to have done any damage though, certainlly not to my MBR (though if it randomly writes to any sector I don't think there was a chance of this,) but I'm certain it sent more than the 20,000 needed to trigger the junk data being written in the 90 minutes it ran. With no record of the packets it sent, I do have a record of nearly 10,000 angry ICMP responses, the bulk of which are from a single address which first caused me to believe my IP was being spoofed, but I suspect this represents a fraction of the addresses it successfully sent to (locally it attempted to send ~6GB at 10Mb/s.) Up until now I've never felt the need for a hardware router.