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Video-Game Publishers Outsource Development

randomErr writes "According to a San Jose Mercury News article reprinted at the Miami Herald: 'Mark Vange is in the vanguard of globalizing the video-game industry. He employs 30 game developers in St. Petersburg, Russia, who have worked on everything from flight simulators to dragon-fighting games. 'We can get the work done for half the cost that it takes in the U.S.,' said Vange, president of Ketsujin Studios. Similar outsourcing of video-game production is being done in places like China, India, Vietnam and parts of Eastern Europe. California game developers, who are the creative force behind a $10 billion industry in the U.S. market, view the trend with a combination of fear and anticipation'."

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  1. Awesome! by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    <Sarcasm>This is great! No really -- now my video games won't cost $50+ each.

    What? You mean the price won't go down? But we are saving so much money on the labor -- where is all that extra cash going?</Sarcasm>

    Sarcasm aside I think those three sentences pretty much sum up my feelings (and most other /.'ers?) on all types of outsourcing (techie or otherwise). It's an excuse to pad the pockets of the fat shareholders at the expense of the middle class.

    Too bad smarter people then me have looked at it and can't come up with a solution. I've said this before but I'll say it again: If this trend towards globalization continues I fear we may wind up proving poor old Karl Marx correct. It's really a crying shame too because capitalism actually does drive innovation. Too bad it also drives greed.

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    1. Re:Awesome! by black+mariah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because, you know, it would be a bad idea for developers to MAKE MONEY and be able to make more games. That's never a good thing, you know. A business. Making money. It'll never catch on.

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    2. Re:Awesome! by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Because, you know, it would be a bad idea for developers to MAKE MONEY and be able to make more games. That's never a good thing, you know. A business. Making money. It'll never catch on.

      Let's see how much money they make when they wipe out the American middle class. How many games are the CEOs going to buy? There's also a wonderful concept to business called: Not shooting yourself in the foot for the sake of a temporary increase in profits.

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    3. Re:Awesome! by snookerdoodle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The solution will occur when all management of all corporations gets outsourced. The truth is, Increasing Shareholder Value is the only objective, and having your corporation managed by a shrewd, talented CEO in Bangalor who gets paid $30,000 per year with no bonus or stock options is a smart thing to do.

      'not even half joking...

      Mark

    4. Re:Awesome! by back_pages · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You are absolutely correct about one thing. When enough American jobs have been outsourced, there won't be enough American economy left to purchase the luxury products being produced. All the outsourcers are basically freeloading the system. They make profits off of high paid American and European workers while paying low wages to external workers.

      But seriously, what do you expect a single game company to do about this? Stand up and be the good guys? Compete with other companies with much lower labor costs? Save the world?

      The problem is here to stay; no question about it. Unfortunately, I don't believe this is a problem that the free market will solve without first bleeding the American and European middle classes to the brink of survival. I don't claim to have "the right" solution, but one solution is an export tarrif on wages. Let the Russians develop Russian software, let the Americans develop American software.

    5. Re:Awesome! by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Get an education before blaming the world that you don't make enough.

      I had a skill. It was working in a factory. Then they decided that I made too much money so they sent that overseas.

      So I maxed out my credit cards and went back to school to work on computers. I found a job and just about when I had my debt paid off they decided I made too much money -- so they sent my job overseas.

      Now I'm 55 years old with no savings and no job. WTF should I do? Go back to school for bio-tech? What happens when the CEO who makes $20,000,000 decides that I am making too much money and sends my job overseas?

      And no that's not the boat that I personally am in but it's hardly a unique story either.

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    6. Re:Awesome! by demachina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to worry, American executives are going to get theirs in the end. They are somewhat blinded by the wonders of cheap labor at the moment to they point that they haven't realized they are exporting capital and intellectual property in to countries that would just as soon bury America as look at it.

      It was a tolerable to export no brainer manufacturing to China but when they started exporting skill jobs, capital and intellectual property they signed their own death warrant. In industry after industry a critical mass of capital, intellectual property and expertise will develop in these outsourcing hotspots. When it does they will reach a point they don't need the obnoxius executives in the U.S. who are taking the lion's share of the wealth. They will, and in some cases already have, take all the expertise, talent, market insight and knowledge they've developed, start their own companies and bury their former American benefactors.

      A key problem with American business is its become incredibly short sighted and is so fixated on quarterly results it simply isn't looking at the long view. They saw this huge boon in their bottomlines with cheap labor but they failed to realize in another decade or two executive in China will be calling the shots and they to will be expendable. Of course American execs, not being entirely stupid, are countering by wholesale looting of their companies now so they and their families will have all the money they need by the time their companies and the U.S. economy collapses. Hopefully they are also smart enough to park their wealth in something besides U.S. dollars. Warrent Buffet, one of the smartest business men in the world is betting heavily against the U.S.dollar with Berkshire Hathaway. He took a look at the half trillion dollar budget deficit and the half trillion dollar trade deficit and quickly realized the U.S. is currently being run by retarded chimps.

      America had some huge advantages after World War II since it came out of that war unscathed versus the rest of the world, and in fact had been transformed in to an engineer rich, manufacturing dynamo by the war. The GI bill further pushed a well educated population that did lead the world. That huge advantage, and the prosperity it engendered, unfortunately corrupted America to the point it simply isn't globally competitive any more. The rest of the world meahwhile has recovered from the ravages of World War II and the Cold War, is hungry and is now very well educated compared to the U.S.

      Add in to this the fact the U.S. government is now completely corrupted. Just look at the insanity, bribery and fraud perpetrated in last years Medicare bill. We are reaching the point the drug and healthcare industries have effectively purchased the government in the U.S. and health costs would drive a dagger in to American competitiveness if cheap overseas labor didn't. Health care and pharmacueticals appear poised to be among the few industries in the U.S. that will prosper in coming years.

      Its unlikely the U.S. will pull out of its competitive tail spin without massive improvements in education, massive health care reform, and a complete gutting of our corrupted governemnt which is spending money like a drunk sailor. Unfortunately we've found a flaw in our two party system in that both the Democrats and Republicans are equally corrupt, and nearly indistinguishable from one other so we can't fix out government through the ballot box. If the U.S. doesn't get a cadre of smart people in power, with a mandate for reform we are doomed, and that isn't going to happen in this years election. Both main party presidential candidates are equally bad, so much so I would really rather take a chance on Nader though he doesn't really have the breadth and sobriety needed to really govern.

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  2. Yeah, because this is an excellent idea by Operating+Thetan · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Yeah, because this is an excellent idea by Turmio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, it's a notorious fact that Russians suck in the art of making PC games

  3. half the cost by fermion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    'We can get the work done for half the cost that it takes in the U.S.,' said Vange, president of Ketsujin Studios

    Well, let's just hope that Vange gets paid half of what is normal in the U.S. and the price for the games are half as much so that the unemployed, underemployed, and those working a minimum wage to compete with Russia can afford the games.

    Unless, of course, the primary market for these games is Russia.

    I don't really see outsourcing as such a big deal. I just don't understand why some CEOs get paid so much money to supervise a workforce halfway across the world for a company that is officially located in a third world country. It really seems the company could increase shareholder values by moving the CxO to those cheaper countries as well.

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  4. Economics 101 by hng_rval · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What? You mean the price won't go down? But we are saving so much money on the labor -- where is all that extra cash going?

    Unfortunately, that isn't how the economy works.

    When you are producing a commodity product, like lumber, coal, or oil, then competition drives the price of your product down to the average total cost of producing that product. In theory, in a commodity market the profit margins are enough by the end of the year to leave each firm in the industry with exactly zero profit. If games were a commodity, reducing either the variable costs or the fixed costs would result in a reduction in price.

    Games, however, are not commodities. In fact, they are much closer to a monopoly market. When a company makes a game, no other company can produce that same game. If I want to purchase Diablo II, I have to pay Blizzard exactly how much they are asking - no one else can provide that product.

    I can purchase Fallout 2 instead, and there is some price sensitivity there. However, I would not necessarily purchase Fallout 2 over Diablo if Fallout was $10 less. Game companies run the demand curve, and price their games accordingly - $50.

    In general, when you are the sole provider of a product you should charge as much as necessary to maximize the equation:

    Profit = (Price - Variable Cost) * Quantity.

    Quantity = Func(Price)

    Changing the cost of producing the game has no effect on the Variable Cost or the Quantity, and therefore should have no effect on the price you pay for the game.

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  5. Well! by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is an outrage! Next thing you know, Nintendo will outsource to some obscure place, like Japan!

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  6. Feed the horse an increasing ratio of sawdust... by OmniGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because the US middle class hasn't been fully impoverished YET (and we're NOT better off than we were ten years ago!) doesn't mean that continuing outsourcing WON'T do it. Why should one expect a relatively highly-paid workforce with political rights and high expectations to be able to compete with much-lower-paid folk who can't unionize and don't get health insurance or retirement benefits, and will work for peanuts even by local standards 'cause any job is better than none?

    With outsourcing trends as they are, we are rather likely to get what Neal Stephenson describes in Snow Crash as an globally-distributed layer of what a Pakistani bricklayer would call prosperity. Unfortunately for us in the US, *we* will call it "abject poverty".

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  7. I don't see what the big deal is... by silentrob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm an independent video game developer and I'd like to point out that the indy scene has been international for quite a very long while.

    Does anybody have a fucking clue about what country the words 'Nintendo' or 'Sega' comes from? Can you guess where the international headquarters for Sony is located?

    Truth is that the video game industry has never been primarily American. It's always been international.

    Everyone needs to quit bitching. Nothing to see here, move along, goddammit.

  8. The irony, of course.... by Alyeska · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...is that just a generation ago, it was computer technicians and programmers who put millions of Americans out of work by replacing their positions with machinery. ...just sayin'....