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Gimp Hits 2.0
jf writes "Gimp 2.0 released! From gimp.org: "This release is a major event, marking the end of a three year development cycle by a group of volunteers and enthusiasts who have made this the most professional release of the GIMP ever. It is the first stable release that is officially supported not only on Unix-based operating systems, but also on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh OS X." Get it from ftp.gimp.org or from the mirror sites."
I'm glad that this release improves the accessability to normal enthusiasts. A person pointed me to the Gimp once about half a year ago, and I couldn't stand to use it because of the god-awful interface that I encountered. I'll definitely give it a try.
Well, I've been using the betas under both linux and windows for a month or so now, and I must say that this is a FANTASTIC improvement, which goes much deeper than just the improved UI.
Before this I used to use photoshop for much of my work, and Gimp for areas where I either needed the software on a machine that did not warrant a photoshop license, or to deal with alpha layers properly (which photoshop is terrible for). Photoshop is great for printing based people, but has some major miss-features for computer graphics use.
Gimp 2.0 however is much better than photoshop IMHO for many many jobs, although it is still just a bit lacking in the automation-of-tasks area.
Congratulations and Thanks to all the people involved in this fantastic piece of software!
Does it handle jpg EXIF data? At least by giving
you an option to save them when EXIF data were found
in the loaded image... Prior to 2.0, the EXIF data
where lost. I wonder how 2.0 behaves...
Still no proper CMYK support? I'll keep my Photoshop.
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I did a usability study of GIMP 1.3 running on Windows and most people who had Photoshop experience soon got the hang of it.
Finally they've added a menu onto each project window, but it is still lacking in one way, the number of entries on the window bar. Each tool dock creates its own entry which causes clutter. It should be possible to have one entry but who knows, maybe this isn't possible with current versions of GTK? Photoshop does this by having the dock windows within a container window.
Other minor niggles, the icons are much improved over v1.2 but I still find them a bit unclear. The knife icon for cropping resembles a brush and I don't really see how a drop of water represents Blur/Sharpen?
While I do like the new dock and the tabs, it's unusable if you resize the toolbox window into a very narrow strip. Meaning at the resolution I run at (1152x864) it takes up around a fifth of the screen width.
But it's much better than 1.2 anyway!!!
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Wow love the new website! If you've not seen how bad (out of date) the old one was then give it a look. The website has finally updated to reflect the quality of the software.. now if only Glade's website would do the same my two favourite apps would have made themselves presentable to others.
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If you can't code, then go to rentacoder or simular sites and pay somebody to add the features you think you need... chances are it will still be cheaper than paying for an equivalent commercial product. What part of "It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness" are you not quite clear on?
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And so does the entire studio where I work. Our primary paint tool is a fork of Gimp as well, and we're doing feature work.
With Gimp 2.0, the interface stops sucking, and a lot of barriers fall away.
It really isn't that easy. For CMYK to be usefull you have to implement ICC profiles and do the conversion between RGB and CMYK based on them. It's not impossible to do, but gimp needs some fairly major changes for supporting it. Call them "GEGL (http://www.gegl.org) completion" and "Intergration of gegl into gimp".
While there is a patch available for sane to make it work with gimp 2.0, it hasn't been merged into the main source tree for sane, so if you don't install packages manually by compiling from source, you _still_ can't use your scanner directly from the Gimp.
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Does it support ICC profiles? This is something that's really important to me. My old version of Adobe has a tendancy to crash when printing >100MB images, so I've resorted to tweaking in photoshop and printing in Gimp... but it'd be nice to do it all in Gimp.
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"The 32-bit per channel color capacity of CinePaint appeals most to cinematographers and professional still photographers. However, CinePaint is a general-purpose tool useful for working on images for motion pictures, print, and the Web. CinePaint supports many file formats, conventional formats such as JPEG, PNG, TIFF, and TGA images -- and more exotic motion picture digital intermediate formats such as Cineon and OpenEXR."
CinePaint has deep paint (32 bit per channel), for the movie industry this is a killer feature and they just cannot afford to wait for the GIMP to sort out GEGL and add it, they have work to do and they need it now.
CinePaint also has good support for the specialised file formats that the movie industry needs and the GIMP does not yet have those features.
CinePaint has a clear userbase and clear goals, and it knows exactly what priorities it has and if others find CinePaint useful too so much the better but it is upfront about the fact that it is not for everyone. CinePaint will be around for a very long time because it aims to do one thing well.
The GIMP just doesnt' have that same clarity of focus and direction. Exactly who is the GIMP designed for, the benifit of its own developers it seems.
This isn't meant to be a troll or flame-bait, so forgive me if it sounds like it. The artists in your studio along with yourself probably all at least make a living at what you do because the work that is done is decent to exemplary. Without having ever seen your work, that I am aware of, I would wager that it is some good stuff since you obviously have an appreciation for the tools you work with. In my experience, people who appreciate all the tools available to them no matter what field they are in take the time to actually learn the tools that they use, and therefore do higher quality work. Kudos to you and the people you work with. Nice to see someone not being an elitist for a change about which tool or tools they think is superior to the others.
Why is this rated -1 redundant? I think it's a valid point.
.psd files, so it should be able to read in photoshop elements files. that's pretty cool.
I think photoshop elements is pretty good and it doesn't trash the gimp to compare the two.
I have a canon scanner and it came free with photoshop elements which works on my mac. I don't know if gimp could invoke the canon scanner driver.
By the way, don't blow $99 on photoshop element because it comes free with canon scanners like the lide-50 which I believe is $99. It might even come with cheaper scanners, but I don't know.
It's almost as powerful as photoshop (I don't know what the differences really are), and it could complement the gimp.
It has some interesting features for beginners... dialogs to help correct certain problems with images and so forth.
Actually, I noticed the gimp can read
Tutorials are necessary to get your feet wet on any sufficiently powerful technology.
You don't just throw a person in a car and expect them to drive down the highway at a hundred and twenty MPH--and survive, do you?
Of course, you've never bothered to look at a man page, or used the built in help for a unix command, eh? Especially when you're doing something critical?
Likewise, Gimp is a powerful utility, and to the average person (especially the non-graphically inclined), it's about as good to them as Greek.
I personaly work in a professional setting and I use Photoshop on a daily basis and Know it like the back of my hand, But I personaly prefer GIMP's effets filters to the base effect filters that come with Photoshop (currantly using PS7).
When working in a fast paced high number of images situation though GIMP can't compete and that's when the $600.00 price tag becomes acceptable. If you don't need the features offered by Photoshop over GIMP, by all means use the GIMP, don't wast your money on something you won't use.
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I found it hard to find the relevant menus in Gimp. But I also found it hard to find the relevant window to change something in Photoshop, where you have lots of opened tool windows, which most of the time don't do anything because you haven't selected anything relevant. Maybe image manipulation and drawing really requires a lot of skills to create an interface which does the easy stuff but also allows complex manipulations.
The only program I came to terms with was IRIS Showcase, but that is mostly a vector/object program. I liked the way you could group/raise/lower parts of the graphics. It sure was quicker than dragging all those layers around in Photoshop with the mouse.
Also what happened to Paintshop ?
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I disagree. I prefer it. I think the "window within a window" style that microsoft often employs is cumbersome. I want to be able to put a window anywhere on the screen that I want to put it. It's much more managable. I guess when using windows it could get confusing if you have multiple apps open, and the gimp windows are scattered around. With Linux though I keep my apps spread out over multiple virtual workspaces so it's not an issue.
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Damn, you're right:
The procedure entry point XML_SetDoctypeDeclHandler could not be located in the dynamic link library xmlparse.dll
Does GIMP have a Bugzilla somewhere?
I'm in a Unix state of mind.
Could anyone recommend a good tutorial for photo touch-up using the GIMP? Everything I have found so far is for Photoshop. Being a newbie in both the photography and GIMP departments, and having never used Photoshop at all, it's quite hard to translate Photoshop advice to GIMP (it seems the terminology used by the two tools does not overlap too much).
CMYK is _only_ useful if you know the exact color of
your Cyan Magenta Yellow and black inks,. you also need to know the exact properties of how these inks mix, and interact with the paper used. Unless you have this information, sRGB is more exact, and should be what a professional printshop should want.
The conversion to CMYK should never be done before the stage of the process where you have this exact information, preferrably recently corrected profiles for the printer,..
There is talk about having gimp support it in the future, but it's a big undertaking. Sorry to sound like a troll, but in the meanwhile Gimp will be little more than a toy.
48 bit RGB is supported natively by the PNG and TIFF images formats and many RAW files created by almost every recent scanner or digital camera. It's a shame to have hardware which creates images you cannot fully use.
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My problem with GIMP is that I lose the main toolbar window. It gets lost behind various images, layer windows, tool property windows, etc.. When I need to change tools I have to go hunting for the right window.
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Because real professionals have lots of time and money to spend upgrading.
Here the real world lots of people live with older software because they are too busy to upgrade or because management refuses to pay for the upgrade. If your job is producing print media, especially photographic work, regular upgrades to PhotoShop are something you probably plan for. If your job is producing television content it's probably not so high on your list of requirements, especially if you've got something that basically works now.
Bwuhuhahahahahahahahaha. Nice elitism. It might come as a shock to you that there are people across the world doing exactly this sort of printed work who just don't worry about it. These same people are often working on cruddy monitors that have never been color calibrated to match their output devices. Yet millions of newsletters, flyers, and newspapers manage to get printed and sold despite imperfect color reproduction. Yes, large magazine and big companies have exacting color standards, but there is a huge undercurrent of small-time publications that just don't care. The bread and butter work of print shops is small runs of publications for local businesses. These local businesses don't really understand color correction and CMYK, yet they manage to get output that is good enough for their needs.
Maybe you're in a situation where you need the power of PhotoShop, but don't forget, you are in a minority.
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