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Gimp Hits 2.0
jf writes "Gimp 2.0 released! From gimp.org: "This release is a major event, marking the end of a three year development cycle by a group of volunteers and enthusiasts who have made this the most professional release of the GIMP ever. It is the first stable release that is officially supported not only on Unix-based operating systems, but also on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh OS X." Get it from ftp.gimp.org or from the mirror sites."
If it's officially supported - where's the Windows binary then? :-?
Last time I checked, MacOS X was at least as "Unix-Based" (darwin) as Linux, if not more...
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Yeah, I will finally get to know how to use it eaither. These floating window schema was the dummiest thing ever. Well, actually now there is Sun LookingGlass... DIA could do the same,
Photoshop is definitely much better and more mature than the Gimp, but it comes with a $600 pricetag. The Gimp starts to become more of an option when you don't have to use some of the more intensive photoshop filters. (So people actually do pay for photoshop, enough-so that Adobe had some good earnings this quarter).
no reason to knock the gimp. It has an amazing cost to ability ratio.
> Photoshop still rocks it
> You know it's true.
The GIMP is good value for money.
The code is freely available.
It depends on what exactly you are doing on whether or not Photoshop is good value for money. If your time is valuable then learning the GIMP user interface is just too expensive. The GIMP is more unlike Photoshop than almost all the commericial graphics applications. The GIMP develpers may really like the GIMP interface the way it is but if they want to reach the widest audience (I dont think they actually do) then they will have to make more of an effort to accomodate Photoshoph users.
You need CMYK? CODE it or PAY someone to do it for you. Open source is not about getting stuff for free, but giving and receiving.
How do you think you are going to help things by buying some commersial software?
For the same reason it dosn't serve web pages. It is not a drawing tool, it is an Image Manipulation Program. Not that I would mind if they addedd better drawing functionality.
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See a need? Meet it your self. Don't wait for some mythical "someone else" to do it for you. RGB to CMYK conversion is pretty well known and shouldn't be that difficult to implement, IMHO.
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I'm a graphic artist and I use gimp and photoshop, along with opencanvas, illustrator and painter. They are all essential parts of my work. Gimp may not be as good as photoshop, but I use it for small effects because I like the look it achieves. It's kind of like using a ballpoint pen instead of a pencil. Sure, graphite pencils or quality brush pens are better, but the look of ballpoint can't be duplicated by anything else.
Really though, you probably don't really understand why photoshop is better than gimp to begin with. You probably like it because of the crappy filters and effects that come with it, but those are a total joke to anyone slightly professional. Everyone who is serious uses his own custom brushes and textures, and I use photoshop the most because of the power it has over brush controls (especially with my wacom tablet). Gimp still has it's place though, and it's an important one.
It's not just me, either. There are several other artists in my studio who use gimp all the time, too.
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That's probably a good thing.. That way you're not stuck thinking, "hmph.. that's not how photoshop does it."
Photoshop Elements has more affordable $99 price tag.
The GIMP still has a very long way to go to match Photoshop Elements let alone the full Photoshop.
The GIMP makes a whole lot of things possible,
shame it makes it so damned awkward.
GIMP 2.0 and still no easy to use Red-Eye removal tool, sure you can do it the hard way but you shouldn't have to which is exactly what is wrong with the GIMP.
"You need CMYK? CODE it or PAY someone to do it for you."
But isn't that what he's doing by paying for a commerical application (Photoshop in this case)?
"Open source is not about getting stuff for free, but giving and receiving."
At the risk of being called flamebait, that won't do spit of good toward a true Desktop Linux end-user solution. Those of us developing software can give as well as take. But Joe End-User just wants to get their job done. Take take take. The mantra of the end-user.
And that's exactly what desktop linux is going to have to address, heck embrace.
Good luck on taking it to the next level.
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Liberty.
It is the first stable release that is officially supported not only on Unix-based operating systems, but also on Microsoft Windows and Macintosh OS X.
That's like saying that it's supported not only on Windows, but on Windows 98. Mac OS X IS a Unix based operating system.
Um, I'm a web designer. How is that invaluable?
I think you're eating too much of the hamburger that Adobe is feeding you with buzzwords like that.
Gimp creates jpegs just fine. If you require ultimate fine-grained control over image creation then I'd wager:
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I'd like to point out that for the price of Photshop (which is a very good program) you can get Photoshop+Gimp. So why put down the GIMP?
I'll agree with that.
Every time that there is a post about a gimp upgrade on slashdot, the posts degenerate into photoshop vs. gimp debates.
Seriously, who cares? Some of us don't run windows, and every version of Photoshop after 8 or so doesn't run worth a crap in Wine; so we use what works best in Linux, which is Gimp. Windows users can use Photoshop. Sure, it's better in a lot of ways - I won't argue that - but you use the best tool you have. Personally I will never have another windows installation on my systems, for many reasons. So.... Gimp for me. It works for what I do (texture creation for 3d models).
I'd like to see a post on
So much to ask?
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I have used photoshop, plenty, and I know the difference between image manipulation and drawing. All that's fine and dandy, but my point is that the impression I get, as someone not in the pro graphics business, is that GIMP is supposed to be able to handle *all* your graphic (non-moving) needs for images, and this is simply not true.
You may say that that's not what its for, and you're probably right, but the impression I had for a long time was just the opposite, and I know plenty of people who feel the same way.
As for your instructions on how to make a shape, I can do that, sure, but it is not intuitive. In fact, I would never have figured that out, but I can draw a box in photoshop easily enough.
I don't mind being told how to do something, but I think that one of two things need to happen: either GIMP needs to handle the drawing functions better, or progs like sodipodi need better community support.
I mention sodipodi in particular because it is the best of the drawing progs I've seen for linux for simple stuff, but is needs a lot of work, too.
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It's ok, we have broadband (or 56k modems at the very worst).
I hope you only design pages for corporate intranets, and other environments with flat, consistent bandwidth.
Otherwise you're coming off like you don't have a clue.
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If you prefer Adobe to Gimp, that's great too... buy it and use it. Judge the tradeoffs in cost and functionality for yourself and choose the best tool for you.
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So basically you have no insight here or have even used Gimp 2.0. You just felt like being a troll?
I swear Adobe users are some of the biggest Trolls I've met on the Net. Everywhere I go where someone dares to mention an alternative, the Adobe trolls freak out and show up in massive numbers to diss anything non-Adobe. If it wasn't cmyk it would just be some other thing.
Why can't you Photoshop snobs just accept the fact that Gimp is a decent image editor that differs from Photoshop and leave it at that. Why are you so freaking insulted that non-Adobe products are available? You have stock in Adobe or something?
Gimp is certainly the best Free image editor available and for home users it will do anything you could possibly want, especially when it comes to digital photography.
But then again I guess I'm just wasting my breath.
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As another web designer, I feel I should make a point. First of all, I don't know what mask thingy compression stuff is. Except what the earlier post told me. I don't use Photoshop CS, I still use 7, and it does fine for me. I have to say, though, $2-$3 is NOT all that much money. But bear one thing in mind. That's PER IMAGE. If you have 10 images like that, that's $20 - $30 a day, which is starting to add up.
Better compression is ALWAYS good. If you run a site that uses a lot of images (Gallery, porn site, whatever) then the cost saving in better compression could be HUGE, and if it doesn't take any longer (or much longer) to do, then it's basically free money.
Also, on the 1 second thing... yeah, one second is not long, but once again, that's one second PER IMAGE. It all adds up.
Oh, and just so I get to put forth my opinion. The release of any new software like Gimp is always good. I'm a Photoshop guy and have neither reason nor inclination to change, but Gimp provides particularly programmers, and low end designers a free way to achieve the simple tasks they require. Its not worth a $600 photoshop license to make buttons. Sure, it's not Photoshop, but it doesn't have to be.
If you really want try paying a GIMP developer to implement it.
If you feel you cant aford to pay $ XXX checkout mailing lists to see if any one is also interested in this, and share the cost.
(Just a idea... o! This is one of the good things with Free/(Open Source) software)
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It will be more sweet if we got a professional vector graphics program. The GIMP is at least as good as Adobe Photoshop, but all the free vector drawing programs (Sodipodi, Sketch, etc) are so limited. We need a program as good as Adobe Illustrator (I know some artist use Sodipodi to create beautiful icons for Gnome or KDE. That must be painfull). Personally, I have been waiting for it since Adobe Illustrator 7 was released.
Was PhotoShop little more than a toy in 1994? It lacked 16 bit per channel support. Apparently that made it a toy. Dispite this it was heavily used and lots of great work was done with it. Even today most PhotoShop users are not working with 48 bit per pixel images.
Yes, 48 bpp image work is the future and the Gimp definately needs to catch up. But to suggest that it's just a toy, unsuitable for professional work makes it clear that you either don't do professional work or are oblivious to your fellow professionals. Not everyone is doing the level of work that demands 48 bpp work. Maybe you need the functionality, but not everyone does. You might as well mock Microsoft Money for being a toy in face of Peachtree Accounting. Is Microsoft Word unsuitable for real work because QuarkXPress exists?
Whenever the Gimp advances there is a stream of "The Gimp is just a toy until it gets X" posts. Yes, the Gimp trails Photoshop in functionality. It's likely going to for the foreseeable future. But reality is that these same features are completely unused by most people. It's not surprising since people got on just fine until PhotoShop added the feature in the first place.
To pick a popular target (Gimp's lack of color correction) a friend of mine works for a newspaper and often prepares images for publication. I was surprised when 1. she said that the Gimp was just about as easy to use as PhotoShop, and 2. She was certain no one had ever done any color calibration, so she didn't miss it in the Gimp.
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