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SCO Seeks Licenses Down Under
WildCode writes "SCO is now targeting Aussies in its continuing Linux licence saga. According to the story, one Aussie organization has already signed up for the licence. The ACCC has no comment at this time but this certainly puts a twist on things as the ACCC were waiting for the results of the lawsuits in the U.S. before making any judgement. Personally I think its time for the ACCC to say to SCO 'wait for the U.S outcomes before taking action here.'" An anonymous reader points to another story at internetnews.com.
I think that we should all boycott Linux until SCO either loses the case or gives up trying to get licensees. Hit them where it hurts - their pocketbooks.
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How much money CAN they trying to salvage from the biggest backfire in recent history? ... ONE company per continent doesn't seem to me like it will pay the legal fees, and not to mention the destroyed reputation...
I'm just waiting for SCO to start sueing themselves.
The good is that we have the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC).
If SCO calls you, give them the finger and then report them to the ACCC. The Perth company, CyberKnights, lodged a complaint earlier on this month.
If SCO keeps going with trying to get UNIX licenses in Australia they should be prepared to face the ACCC.
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SCO seeks licenses down under
Should not this read......"SCO seeks victims down under?"
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The only companies more stupid than SCO are the ones falling for their FUD.
I don't know about the rest of you, but to me this seems to be one of the late very desperate moves by the SCO to prove they have a business here.
Lets just take a look at their current stock-price? This url [nasdaq.com] trully shows who's dropping here. It's for sure that SCO now seem desperate, and for a reason. Their business is dying, and so are their case.
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-- S. Ballmer @ MSDC 2003.
The previous chair of the ACCC (Allan Fells) wasn't popular with business, which in my view, meant that he must have been doing something right. The current chair (Graeme Samuel) doesn't seem to be so so proactive (or controversial), so they may adopt a wait and see approach. In any case, I am wondering if what the SCO group are attempting to do could best be covered by Fair Trading laws which, in Australia, are administered by the State governments. I guess the anti-competition aspect of SCO's behaviour could give the ACCC jurisdiction.
is plummeting further and further. Check out
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or google to scox.
Best to view the 3month graph, in a linear scale to get that good vibration...
Justly or unjustly, rightly or wrongly, they have already paid a heavy price for their underhand techniques, in the form of the mydoom worm. This clearly shows how much anger and resentment the society has against this vulture of an organisation.
Under these circumstances, it is highly unlikely that their legal action will work anywhere in the world. Even if MS pumps more money into SCO to damage Linux, it will not save SCO.
SCO can't kill Linux. What doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger.
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While the lawsuits might not have any result in the long run, and will probably be turned down by the courts (depending-- I know very little about the facts of the case, and have no real pressing reason to find out more), it seems like in the short run, the could be very useful... for Microsoft.
I mean, obviously Microsoft threw in some funding to this group to help sponsor the lawsuits. And they don't nessecarly have to succeed in order to have effect. Defending oneself from lawsuits is expensive and undesirable. Any moderatly to low executives now have more to worry about in any thoughts of migrating to Linux. This seems like it will help Microsoft in the short run.
It seems like the time bidding might be all they need. If they can prevent massive pop-culture defections from Windows until the migration to 64 bit, they would most likely continue the prevelance of windows for a long time to come.
How effective do you think this tatic will be for them.
Imagine being a non-US regional director for SCO. You come to work one day and have a conference call with Utah:
"Start sending out license letters."
"But,.. but I have a meeting with N clients in the next week, we are closing deals on M systems."
"Forget that. Send out license letters."
Why are people still working for SCO?
It's no surpise that SCO is targetting Aussies. Just have a look at their stock.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=scox
It's going down under!
We know SCO will go under but there will be possibilities of suing the companies who have been financing SCO to do this.
OTOH, thinking about how much IBM are likely to hammer SCO and thier backers for them I don't think there will be anything left even in the upper layers of the pyramid;-)
And if you thought that was boring you obviously havn't read my Journal ;-)
I think it will happen like the movie Contact. The first "machine" blew to shit and then Hadley phones from space and tells Ellie there is another machine. (Why buy one when you can have two for twice the cost?)
I think Linus will disappear for about 8 months, and then one day he will email us all from space, with a replacement operating system for us to use:
"Linux is gone, it is SCO's, we will now use the Mannix operating system."
Did you know that Hadley, in the movie "Contact" was also Olivander from Harry Potter, and get this... he was Kane in Alien, the guy who had an alien jump out of his stomach.
Sure, but do they know they've signed up? Sneaking a free license onto the end of a contract doesn't exactly make your case, does it, Darl?
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
And prepared to face us.
Give Kieran (SCO AUS CEO) a call or email and let him know what you think (politely)
His voicemail is answering at the moment - 'I am away from my desk' but he will listen to your message as soon he gets back'
Haven't tried his mobile yet....
Kieran O'Shaughnessy
Regional General Manager ANZ
The SCO Group
Level 11, 56 Berry Street
North Sydney NSW 2060
Australia
Tel +61 2 9440 7577
Fax +61 2 9440 7588
Mob 0419 66 00 16
email kierano at sco.com
web www.sco.com
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Luckily, we have s202 of the Copyright Act which says that it's illegal in Australia to make groundless threats of legal proceedings. That is, you cannot say "buy a licence or I'll sue you" unless you are really in a position to sue and win. We also have a "loser pays winner's costs" rule in litigation, which means that once you've started to sue, you cannot discontinue without being ordered to pay the other side's costs.
I can't see a judge reasonably going through with another SCO case while there is pending litigation with the IBM case. It would make sense that the IBM case would set precedent and all other cases obide by that ruling. That is of course unless new substantial evidence comes out.
I think SCO's had it's day in the media. The last hold out's where the mainstream media and for the most part they've just stopped reporting about it. Their stock is at 1/3 of what it peaked at over the year. Sharply down since demcember (which funny enough is about the same time the judge ordered them to actually show the court offending code). SCO isn't going to end in a bust, but in a fizzle. And that process has been in the works for a few months now.
How's "get fucked" sound?
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From the article:
Last week, he was fairly certain at least one sale had been completed, but would not comment on how many more were in the pipeline. "The first sale may well have gone through, but I'm not going to comment on each and every sale," Mr O'Shaugnessy said.
Fairly certain? may well have gone through?
You'd think the SCO Australia-New Zealand general manager would have more of an idea if they'd made a sale.
With all the money Microsoft has raised for them they should be able to afford a decent accounts department. After all, its the only income they're going to see in this country for a while.
$AUD999... doesn't even buy their legal team breakfast.
Of course SCO is going to try its luck in Australia. If our companies are anywhere near as keen to bend over for their American counterparts as our government, SCO will make a fortune down here. After all, our Prime Minister was only too happy to say to Bush "I'll have a ridiculously restricted FTA and with a side order of DMCA please".
Perhaps DarlCo is infringing Satans' IP? Probably not a smart move for someone who asserts devout faith. But Darl never was the sharpest crayon in the box...
"You call *that* a lawsuit? Now *this*, *this* is a lawsuit!"
According to this article in the Salt Lake Tribune, it needs to stay below 6.75 for 20 consecutive days. A little over a dollar to go. Buyback could be used to try to make a bounce, but I would hope that the threat of 6.75 would cause the stock to dip enough in anticipation once it is in the neighborhood and so the buyback is just throwing away more money.
SCO are simply forum shopping. When they get a bite then Darl cracks a fat saying how some Aussie wuss fell for it.
You gotta call SCO's bluff mates. They have never asked anyone to remove any SCO code from the Linux source tree because it just isn't there.
ps: My first car was a Holden (Just Hold'in Together) Premier V8 so please forgive me !.
Why wait for a broken system to produce an answer?
Germany told SCO to shut up or bring in some evidence. The aussies should do the same.
It's still a mystery to me how the US legal systems works (or doesn't work)
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SCO are not the law. On the contrary - it seems their business is extortion. They're certainly guilty of massive copyright infringement - distributing hundreds (thousands?) of software packages to thousands (hundreds?) of customers without a license (since they rejected the GPL).
There should really be a section for "Corporate crime" or something along these lines. Posting this as a YRO makes it appear like the law is on SCO's side.
P.S. Another SCO Linux licensee? We should really start referring to any companies that fall for this scam as SCOXsuckers.
This is the whole point. It hasn't been proven that they own any IP in Linux. Novell have stated that SCO didn't even aquire ownership of what they claim to own. A respectable company would prove such things before pursuing users. Respectable, SCO is not.
That's loser talk. Stay away from the bottle, man. It destroys people.
I don't think so. Even if the outcome is favorable to SCO in the US (I doubt it, but lets suppouse it just for the sake of the argument). The US court ruling doesn't apply to other independent countries.
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I don't mean to say that the papers have a clue about computers they would have a go at them just because it was an American company trying to sue UK one's
Saying Apple is better than MS is like saying Botulism is better than rabies.
"SCO Seeks Licenses Down Under"
Sorry Darl, when I told you where you could stick the license, I meant that figuratively.
"Derp de derp."
As a person with serious Dyslexia issues, a particular spelling being used in the article title on slashdot doesn't in any way indicate that it's a correct spelling.
I.e. You can do just as well by guessing.
--= Isn't it surprising how badly I spell ?
With some 30+% of their stock sitting on the table waiting for the roulette ball to fall, I can't see how anyone could consider this SCOX as a safe investment. Its appears that its owners are 46% insiders, 40% institutions and the rest is small investors playing games hopeing for the high margin options to go their way. When the equivalent of 15% of the share holders are betting on you going broke in the next few months, its not a good sign. It appears that options on SCO are something like 75 times more popular than options on Ford or MSFT.
It would make sense that the IBM case would set precedent and all other cases obide by that ruling.
Take a closer look at SCO's charges. Most of the complaints aren't copyright infringement, but contract violation. SCO isn't just saying "IBM isn't supposed to do that with our code!", they're saying "IBM isn't supposed to do that with their code!"
I personally don't expect either claim to survive a trial, but it's theoretically possible for SCO to lose all of the copyright claims and win some of the contract claims, in which case they'd win some damages against IBM but they probably still wouldn't have any standing to sue third parties.