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Why PHBs Fear Linux

Tin Foil Hat writes "Paul Murphy over at LinuxInsider examines the role IT text books play in business school curriculums and the misconceptions and misinformation that they present to students. If you've ever wondered why your PHB just doesn't get it when it comes to UNIX and Linux, this article is for you."

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  1. I'll tell you why mine fears Linux by slutdot · · Score: 4, Funny

    He read in Windows Magazine that it was bad.

  2. Maybe they don't get it by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    " If you've ever wondered why your PHB just doesn't get it when it comes to UNIX and Linux, this article is for you."

    Maybe they don't get it because they don't see Linux software on store shelves at Best Buy. Maybe they feel that using Linux would be a huge headache since they have NFI where the software actually comes from. It's percieved as some toy OS.

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    1. Re:Maybe they don't get it by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      Boxes, plural form of Box: a usually self-contained piece of electronic equipment. My boss bought new Linux boxes for the data center.

      Boxen, plural form of fuck all: a term used by goddamn IT morons to identify themselves to other goddamn IT morons. My boss fired me for inventing stupid words and using them in company wide emails; now who will administrate my boxen? See also: PEBKAC, ROFLMAO, User Friendly.

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  3. Re:If you've ever wondered why your PHB... by carl67lp · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=phb&r =67

    Basically, it's a Bachelor of Philosophy.

  4. A-freakin-men by p4ul13 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm working on an IS masters right now. I was a bit aware as an undergrad of how MS centric the text-books were, but now going back I see that it is outright blatent.

    I don't know why this is the case, but it really must affect the bias of so many students (and future PHBs). I suppose its a matter of people using what they know and what they expect the readers will be using that makes them decide to take this slant, but still seems to be a bad approach in the long-run.

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    1. Re:A-freakin-men by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Very true. Curerently, my college is quite MS-centric. It's got this whole "Microsoft Certified Academy" plaque somewhere in the main hall which gave me a fear for something which became a reality when I got into "Advanced Programming" classes. They basically told us to go learn ASP.NET from w3schools.org and to get ( download ) a ASP.NET forum up and running, which I didn't like for several reasons:

      • Advanced Programming is supposed to be for people who intend to continue to the next "tier"* of education, where ASP.NET is ignored and the main programming languages are C and Java.
      • The whole idea is fairly unrealistic, they expect us to run Windows 2000 AS with IIS, ASP.NET and some form of ASP.NET supported database idea. With no books or information provided.**
      • This whole MS only idea. Why not continue on C & C++ or start on Java, Python or something else that's pretty much platform independant?

      And I won't even mention some of the books I must have for college: Very MS-centric. More or less to be expected, but a general understanding on other operating systems is never bad. Don't even get me started on the things they dont teach regarding Macs, which still hold a sizeable portion of the desktop market. ( when compared to Linux ) You'd think some general knowledge like knowing how to set up a network with Macs and Linux/Windows machines would be useful.

      * Silly Dutch educational system.

      ** Not to mention licensing costs. W2k AS, 3999 USD and SQL Server, 1489 USD. Of course, we could fiddle around with Access database which would be a joke, but a less expensive on at 229 USD. I could of course use MSDE ( core of SQL Server ) which is free but comes with NO management tools. Woot. Not surprisingly, after the "teacher" told us to install W2k AS with SQL Server, legally, we told him to go hell.

    2. Re:A-freakin-men by Avihson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The professors creating the courses are MS Biased, so it follows that the books chosen are MS centric.

      I'm tutoring at the local CC, and was asked to teach a short course in Linux. Try to find a textbook that talks about a current version of Linux. Before you Fanboys start flapping your gums about kernel versions, the school will change books every year to keep up with the latest "innovations" from Redmond, and has changed mid year for the past two years.

      The school's only "open" minded professor worked with me, and we ordered instructor's desk copies from all of the major text book publishers. The ones that came with CDs had RH7.2 This was Nov 03! Yet the same publisher had texbooks on Windows server2003.

      After looking at the paucity of readily available textbooks, we opted to go for an open source solution: Paul Sheer's RUTE.
      I taught out of the book, and the students had the choice of buying the book, or downloading the PDF. I burned copies of Knoppix so that they could actually have Linux at home to practice on.

      This school does have two computer labs with Linux, one is locked away from the rest of the LAN, on its own subnet and firewall, and the other has removable hard-drives, and they disconnect the room from the LAN before they install the linux drives!

      The school still equates Linux and "Hackers" since the sole purpose of Linux there is use in the computer forensics classes. Any wonder why the CIS majors never learn anything about Linux?

  5. Not just PHB's by fuzzdawg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think a lot of people just don't know what *nix is. Of course, textbooks like these don't help. Hell I'm in my senior year of a CS BS course of study, and there are students in my classes who couldn't use a terminal to save their lives or work remotely without a GUI. They just don't understand the system commands.
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  6. thats easy by theMerovingian · · Score: 4, Funny



    My PHB says it's too hard to install printers

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    1. Re:thats easy by Homology · · Score: 4, Interesting
      My PHB says it's too hard to install printers (CUPS)

      Ever tried installing Java and Java programs? Ever tried to compile Java 1.3.1 (Native threads) on OpenBSD where you have to downloading several big files files from Sun after agreeing to Sun's obnoxious lisences? Java, the platform where everything is opaque? Where lack of relevant informations is the norm, and not the exception?

      To vent some frustration, I've got a quote from the bok "Apache: The Definite Guide" (page 384):

      In the authors' expericence, installing anything to do with Java is a very tiresome process, and this was no exception. The assumption seems to be that Java is so facinating that proper explanations are unnecessary -- devotees will immerse themselves in the holy stream and all will become clear after many days beneath the surface. This is probably because explanations are expensive and large commercial interests are involved. It contrast strongly with the Apache site or the Perl CPAN network...
  7. Re:If you've ever wondered why your PHB... by nametaken · · Score: 5, Informative

    "PHB: /PHB/ [Usenet; common; rarely spoken] Abbreviation, "Pointy-Haired Boss". From the Dilbert character, the archetypal halfwitted middle-management type. See also pointy-haired." Souce: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/P/PHB.html

  8. Why x sucks. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is always easy for a person who dislikes a platform to make it look bad and point out why it is bad. Text Books are no exception an author who doesn't particular care for an OS even though they are try to objective, will often get their feelings about it in some way or another either by ignoring the fact, giving negative examples, or use negativity resining to explain the features of an other product, "Example: Linux was designed in part because of the shortcomings in windows." While I don't say that Windows is Bad it is implied that Linux is better then windows, Implying that windows sucks. So I probably is best is to concentrate on your platforms strong points and not on its opponents week points, Thus saving yourself from a flame war with your boss. What works best for me is that I compare OS's to Tools Windows is a Hammer and Linux is like a screw driver. They do essentially the same thing put a piece of metal in wood. But they do it differently and having different tradeoffs. Most bosses can understand tradeoffs vs. Better and Worse because with better and worse flame wars occure when speaking about Tradeoffs then it seems much more level headed.

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  9. Need Better Books! by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article does a good job of picking the misleading and false statements about Unix and Linux in various leading textbooks.

    And these are just the vague and false statements about one particular category of knowledge - the Linux OS. It begs the question: if they can be mistaken about this area and not taken the time to get their facts straight, what other areas are getting hand-waving instead of well-researched facts?

    More than anything else, this points out some embarrassing shortcomings in these textbooks. Professors picking textbooks for their students would do well to pick better ones than these.

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  10. Of course PHBs fear Linux by gatesh8r · · Score: 4, Funny

    They have stock in Microsoft.

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  11. Same for the professional sector, really by mao+che+minh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Of the 10 network administrators that I either work with, used to work with, or just converse with daily, I am the only one competent in Linux and/or Unix. It's just the way it is, as most general IT workers never needed to know either until now. Windows and/or Netware, a specialy like Exchange or Notes, and the fundamentals of Cisco has been enough to earn people decent livings for the past decade or so.

    Expect this to change now that IBM and Novell have to IT world all a-buzz. People are already being sent to Linux training (by their employers) in droves in my area.

  12. Not just IT by MrIrwin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A degree used to be a theory and evolution through research. Nowdays it appears that an MBA is essentially a vocational training course where students are stuffed with off the shelf concepts.

    It used to be political regimes that adultered the curriculums with indoctrination, nowdays, like everything else, it has become a business!

    Fortunately there a growing number of Maverick enterprises, in all sectors, that are learing that success comes best by not following the rules. I guess that is what the lawyers are supposed to prevent;-)

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  13. No kickbacks? by DR+SoB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Eeee, could it be because you don't get kickbacks when somethings free??

    (Runs, ducks for cover!!)

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  14. Perception of Value by imgumbydamnit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was once told by an MBA that in order for my consulting services to be valued more, I should raise my rates. People automatically think that they get what they pay for, therefor a free distro can't be worth as much as an XP or Solaris license.

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  15. instructor doesn't get it by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I received an email at our lug webmaster account asking for help with some questions about Linux from an MIS student. Here are the questions that her instructor had given them to research and answer:

    1.What is Linux and who created it?
    2.Why was it released into the public domain rather than copyrighted?
    3. Is it possible to copyright anything that relates to Linux? If so, in what way?

    I gave *long* answers, showed examples of copyright statements from the Linux source, explained that everybody who contributes to it, such as Linus or IBM, keep copyright, etc. I really wanted to meet her clueless instructor, but, maybe next time.

    Keep in mind that these guys were pushing cobol up until about 3 years ago, so they probably think it's extremely cutting edge to push windows nt.

  16. On the other hand, CS textbooks by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    almost always use UNIX/Linux (and UNIX moreso than Linux) while discussing OS, networking and other systems subjects.

    Never have I once come across a mention of Microsoft (except maybe in the History section (Xenix)) any any of the classic books by Tanenbaum, Stevens, et al.

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  17. From sSomeone who pitches those PHB's... by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could it be that many PHB's fear the penguin because of the illogical, emotionally-based arguments so many Linux zealots constantly use to push their agenda? I mean, many of the nutcases I've heard from speak of Linux like the coming of some New World Order, reminiscent of how Communists pitched their ideas back during the fifties. PHB's take one look at people like that and say "there's no way in hell I'm going to trust someone so emotionally involved in this to make a valid business decision."

    There have been an increasing number of articles, posts, and so forth coming from notable people in the Linux community pointing out how the zealotry is really becoming a serious impediment to further Linux progress. In particular, they cite many Linux zealot's inability to take any sort of constructive criticism and their steadfast belief that the users should conform to the OS instead of the other way around. They say this is bad for Linux, and I think they're right on.

    Microsoft is using this irrational zealot behavior to convince more PHB's that Linux is some kind of cult, not just an operating system. The more outspoken the zealots are, the more they hurt things.

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    1. Re:From sSomeone who pitches those PHB's... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although we certainly see plenty of that kind of Linux zealotry on /., I really doubt that's what's going on in the corporate IS world. I'm one of the success stories -- I was able to convince my boss to go with a FOSS solution for our corporate database setup -- and I did it by preparing a calm, reasoned cost-benefit analysis with lots of references. But the primary reason it worked, IMO, is that we're a small company, and my boss, one of the founders of the company, is a scientist rather than a B-school grad.

      For every Linux (or BSD, or OS X) zealot, there are a hundred Windows zealots, the majority of them suits who have never had any real education in the evaluation of competing software, and who will reject out of hand any non-Windows solutions because that's how they were trained and because Nobody Ever Got Fired For Buying Microsoft ... and I do believe that many of them are the way they are because they're the projects of the kind of "education" the article describes.

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    2. Re:From sSomeone who pitches those PHB's... by andih8u · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For every Linux (or BSD, or OS X) zealot, there are a hundred Windows zealots

      I have to disagree with you there...from what I've seen there are definately more Linux zealots roaming around, and they are making Linux look very bad. IBM's Linux commercial (you know, the one with the orphan being adopted by the world) wasn't merely to try introducing Linux to the world, it was image spin. Anytime I tell someone that I use Linux, they always associate me with being a l337 hack0r. The latest batch of worms attacking Microsoft, SCO, and RIAA certainly don't help that impression. To the rest of the normal non-technical people, the Linux zealots really must look like terrorists. "We don't like Microsoft, or SCO, or the RIAA, so we're going to shut them all down fplolomg" Lots of the Linux zealots that I know haven't even used Windows since 85 or 98, so they don't even know what they're really up against with XP or 2003Server, and they're so busy railing about how evil MS is, that they never bother to take a look at what their products are like, to know what they are competing against.

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  18. Why my company doesn't do LINUX by dcw3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work for a major defense contractor, where I've been integrating systems for numerous years. One of the primary reasons we don't do LINUX is because there's no profit in it for us. If we integrate a Sun, SGI, PC, etc., we get to tack on our 10% to the OS costs...and yes, I do believe this is a huge waste of taxpayer money, but that's how it's done. You can't make a profit by saving the govt. money.

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  19. Without even realizing it... by interiot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, without even realizing it, PHBs might find their employees integrating tools like Apache, perl, GNU make, etc into their development process or tools. At which point you tell the boss that they've gotten all this functionality for free for so long, and how many problems have you had because of it? Right, so bring on the linux.

    I work for a Fortune 100 telecom company who isn't terribly pro-linux. But one day I counted up all the open-sourced software we use on a daily basis, there's a ton of it... if someone ripped OSS software away from us, we'd be in a world of hurt.

  20. But wait, there's more! by Loundry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was once told by an MBA that in order for my consulting services to be valued more, I should raise my rates. People automatically think that they get what they pay for, therefor a free distro can't be worth as much as an XP or Solaris license.

    I agree, and there's more to it than that:

    Consider Godiva chocolates. I've read studies that state that blind taste tests cannot rate them higher than Russell-Stover chocolates, a much less expensive chocolate. The reason why Godiva exists is because people want to pay more for chocolate. It's part of a high-class lifestyle. They need to feel high-class, and they need to fit in with their high-class friends. This same phenomenon is true with many other products. Just replace "high-class" with "cool", and you'll see what had fueled the sale of Nike shoes for years.

    I'm not interested in using products to make me feel like I'm better or, or in using products to impress my friends. I am, however, interested in selling products to people who feel that way. It seems to me that the seller is in the much more intelligent position than the buyer. :)

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  21. Security by ajutla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some people are freaked out by the notion that Linux's source code is "open", and, as such, don't understand how it could possibly be a secure platform if all of its workings can be easily seen. Yeah, I know, it's wrong, but that's what a lot of people think. A lot of people think something freely available like Linux can't possibly be secure.

  22. In our case, it's SCO. by djh101010 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our CIO is a sharp guy, understands that Linux is the appropriate technical answer to several of the problems we have, and understands the value of open-source software in genereal. The problem is, we got _the letter_, and he's understadably not interested in becoming a headline-making company for the wrong reasons. It's annoying and frustrating, but until SCO gets slapped down hard and goes away, we have to consider the legal/political aspect as well as the technical merits. Yes, it's BS. Yes, their claims are worthless, but yes, he has chosen not to put us at risk as a target of SCO. He expressed the same frustration that we techies are feeling.

    If SCO is just a shill for Microsoft, and is trying to delay the inevitable slide away from Windows, well, in our case, it's having some of that effect. If they're not doing this as an agent of Microsoft, well, it has the same effect.

  23. Re:If you've ever wondered why your PHB... by Homology · · Score: 4, Informative
    i've heard either Pin Head Boss or Pointy Hair'd Boss..

    Actually, Pin Head is one of the main characters in Hellraiser. You may think that the that is proper comparision, but anyway, PHB = Pointy Haired Boss.

  24. Just to show what professional really means by rzbx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Want to know why most business analysts and venture capitalists simply don't get it with respect to Unix? Take a look at the computer books they study while working toward their MBA, financial analysis certificate or accounting designation, and you'll understand that their ignorance isn't entirely their fault."

    This is the first paragraph of the article. Now think about this. Basically what it says is that whatever the system (in this case educational institutions) feed them, that is what they believe. It is very sad to see that many professionals in fact do not spend the time to learn about their field outside of what is fed to them in the classroom. Their educational diet is pretty bad. If one really wants to know everything one can about a particular field, then one should take the time to read that which lies outside of the institution where they are learning it. Btw, this also shows how corporations are integrated with the education system. Never trust just one source for all your facts.

    True, it isn't entirely the fault of the student, but what do we do about it? One idea comes to mind, find more sources for information besides just a book your school was encouraged to buy.

    There is hope though. Linux is one very powerful example of how the internet has changed the way we find information and work together on common goals.

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  25. How about the article itself? by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    With all the talk about acronyms being modded up, let's not lose sight of the fact that this was one of the most intresting (from the perspective of open-source-in-the-real-world) articles I've ever read.

    I think he pretty identified the primary reason Linux has been slow to catch on in mainstream business.

    It's all fun having a bunch of geeks get together and talk about how great Howard Dean is and how c00| Linux is; but we're still very nieve when it comes to educating the decision makers in the world. I'd love to seem some discussion about how to get Linux written up in more business textbooks. I would have thought the RHAT IPO and IBM would have helped this; but wow that article showed that misconsceptions still abound.

    1. Re:How about the article itself? by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think he pretty identified the primary reason Linux has been slow to catch on in mainstream business.

      Too bad for him that he lost me (and unintentionally made a different point) in the second sentence (emphasis mine):

      Simply try to remember, next time you run into users who think Microsoft invented computing, that they got those beliefs from their textbooks -- meaning that they aren't necessarily as moronic as their opinions and that you can hope to reeducate at least some of them.

      This is the reason why most bosses are slow to pick up on Linux -- because most IT professionals treat it like a club rather than a serious operating system. If you don't get it, you are one of the morons, and you are excluded.

      A manager might see Linux on the same lines as s/he sees this or this, products designed to exclude the general public from the IT fraternity. The IT people think they are cool; the general public just sees nerds with toys.

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    2. Re:How about the article itself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well put. I'd add....
      • Speak in terms that matter to management - In some cases (not always) this is cost savings. In others (not always) it's security. Just because your favorite tool supports JFS and XFS doesn't matter to most business concerns. (And yes, to the parent posters point about learning the lanuage, PHBs use different TLAs such as ROI.)
    3. Re:How about the article itself? by Merk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Argh. Not this again.

      The wonderful appeal to the inferiority complex: "Look, there are a heck of alot of really smart people out there who can't even check their email. They make more money than you, get laid more often than you, and are probably happier than you."

      These days, if someone remotely involved with computers can't figure out how to check their email, then they probably are stupid.

      As for making money, or getting laid. Sure. There are bound to be people who are better or worse off than the average geek. But so what? Do you really want to be the rich guy who wrote spam software, who can't tell anybody what he did because it's so unethical? Geeks involved in the spam business probably make better cash than your average Linux enthusiast. What about getting laid? Sure, if you spend hours studying NLP you might be able to trick or coerce a girl into sleeping with you. Wow. Aren't you great. But really, sex is also the cause of a lot of problems: pregnancy, STDs, and an emotional rollercoaster. Wouldn't you rather be able to feel good about yourself, and have your partner feel good about you?

      The fact is, aside from perhaps being introverted, geeky, and male, the average Slashdot reader has something else in common: morals. Look how often freedom is mentioned here. Look at how the argument agains Microsoft is about their unfair actions. There's a cost for everything. If I cared only about money, I'd be making more than I am now, but many of my friends would lose respect for me. If I wanted to get laid more, I could treat girls like they were disposable, but I'd lose respect of my friends for that too. No thanks, I'm pretty happy with who I am.

    4. Re:How about the article itself? by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come to work shaved, showered and neatly dressed
      I know uber-geeks don't really give a damn what anyone thinks right? Well clearly you care about how Linux and Unix is percieved or wouldn't be posting on this thread would you. You'd be amazed at how much easier it is to listen to someone who looks professional, or at least doesn't smell bad.


      This is the biggest load of bollocks ever. The idea of a "professional look" was invented by PHBs for PHBs to show other PHBs how they can afford the expensive Armani suit. It says nothing about how well you do the job. It's window dressing. I work contract and will turn down jobs that have a dress code since I know that I'll have to deal with shitty management if there is one. And the longest I've been out of work in 4 years is a 6 week holiday I took in Egypt.

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    5. Re:How about the article itself? by MagikSlinger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hi, sit down. Make yourself comfortable. I know this is a little disorienting, but this is the real world.

      What? Yes, in fact, 90% of the geeks in the real world do come to work shaved, showered and neatly dressed. In fact, a lot of them would do that even without work. I know, in your little fantasy world every geeks looks liks RMS, but this is the real world where, in order to get and keep jobs, they have to shave, shower and dress nicely. Most of our work places have dress codes, you know.

      I know, it must be scary for you. So many geeks aren't afraid of speaking in public, making their voices heard and arguing persuasively using logic and business language. Geeks tend to be the most outspoken people in an organization. Being a geek means learning new cultures and different ways of thinking. It's a hobby to a geek. I know, I know. In your world, geeks are quiet, meek and mumble. That's OK, you're in the real world now.

      Let's take a walk. Why, yes, they are very patient, caring people who really want their users to know what they know and to be productive. You don't survive long in this business if you don't.

      Oh, look, that geek is having a heart-felt conversation with a techno-neophyte boss. Notice how well it's working. That's because the boss doesn't treat the geek as an idiot child who must be restrained. The boss respects the geek's knowledge and listens, in turn, the geek understands the boss has a different set of bosses to answer to, and he's trying his damndest to help his boss. He's helpful, honest and works his damndest to provide the bosses the numbers and research he needs to fight for him.

      Why am I being so condescending to you? Why were you being so condescending to geeks?

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    6. Re:How about the article itself? by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most executives got to BE executives by caring more about leveraging technology than using technology. In other words, by taking X and using it to make money, rather than takign X and using it to do something.

      A guy came into my cube today and asked about the box I'm building. When I mentioned that it ran Lniux, he asked me "Really? What *IS* Linux, anyway? What good does it do me?"

      This was a brilliant question and it deserved a complete answer. So I looked at him. All of his needs were already met by Windows. We don't upgrade operting systems -- we just buy new machines ever three years or so on R&D grants -- so the cost issue was not there. He has never gotten any viruses and the firewall protects him from worms. In his day, he uses all of three apps: a custom program for customer management (Windows only), PC Anywhere (Windows only) and Microsoft Word. And he's busy as hell -- certainly doesn't have the spare time to pick up bash syntax or play around with Gee Whiz features. So I said to him, "It does you no good at all."

      And then I proceeded to explain to him why I used in on the server. "If I ran the company website and that FTP site on Windows, I'd have to constantly worry about them. I'd have to constantly be installing patches and watching for exploits. By running Linux, I can decrease my watchfulness to the point where I only have to check up on it once a month."

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  26. Not Best Buy...Dell, HP and Gateway. by nlinecomputers · · Score: 4, Interesting

    PHB have no clue about it because it isn't offered as standard by the major PC makers. If when you were buying a PC and you forgot to tell them to ship Windows XP they by default shipped SuSE or Mandrake then maybe they might know what it is.

    Now at the Best Buy it's not that Linux is missing from the shelves. It's that applications that Run on Linux are missing on the shelves. Give me Quickbooks, OfficeXP, or Adobe with little "for Linux" stickers on them and we might get noticed.

    Most PHBs don't even know what an OS is. I've had plenty of well educated people, when I ask them, "What OS do you run?" tell me Word. They know on some level that they run Windows but they are clueless about what it really is. They just hear the name and they parrot that. Word, Windows, whatever...

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    1. Re:Not Best Buy...Dell, HP and Gateway. by RedBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most non-geeks have no clue, period. I'm constantly hearing from mostly educated people that they're having a problem using "Microsoft" or "Adobe", by which they usually mean Word or Excel in the first case and either Acrobat Reader or Photoshop in the latter case. But it could be just about anything. People simply have no clue how their computers work, they just see the brand names everywhere so that's what they remember.

      HOWEVER, people aren't entirely hopeless. If you sit down with them with a clear idea of what you're trying to explain, and explain that thing calmly and clearly in terms they can relate to, most will pick some of it up. If you calmly explain it a few more times, still keeping to terms they can understand, they'll get even more of it. We, the geeks, are the educators. The market and the education system has no desire to talk about something that doesn't make them piles of money.

      If we treat people with respect and keep our ideas clear, they will listen most of the time. Stick to real world examples that have or can affect them. If you can't come up with a real world example, maybe you should go back and rethink whatever idea you're trying to explain. If it doesn't affect them at all, why are you harping on it?

      Geeks are capable of changing the world, one non-geek at a time. Just have patience.

  27. Linux can even cost a lot, if you so desire! by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're aware that you can purchase commercial distributions of Linux that are quite pricy, right? Something like Red Hat's high end server product, Red Hat Enterprise Linux Advanced Server starts at $1500, for example. I'm reasonably sure you can find a Linux distributor that will be happy to do business with you if your primary requirement is high cost.

  28. Re:For those of you without a clue... by EulerX07 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hi, this is your PHB.

    I warned you before about reading and posting on slashdot during work hours. Maybe you'll have better luck on your next job and your boss won't be a PHB.

  29. I like this quote from one of the books by Overdrive_SS · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Java is a platform independent, object oriented programming language developed by Sun Microsystems. Java software is designed to run on any computer or computing device, regardless of the specific microprocessor or operating system it uses. A Macintosh PC, an IBM PC running Windows, a Sun server running Unix, or even a smart cellular phone or personal digital assistant can share the same Java application."
    That is a good description of Java. However, if they haven't heard much more than the book is telling them about linux, then how much do they know about programming? Do they have any idea what Object Oriented means? Do they know the advantages and disadvantages to using it? Do they care? For that matter, do they care if Java runs on multiple operating systems and microprocessors when the textbook itself is telling them all they need is Windows(with the possible exception of embedded devices)?

    I guess what I am getting at is that maybe we shouldn't teach them anything about IT or programming. Maybe we should teach them how to be humble enough to ask for advice from those of us who know that stuff, instead of pretending they know everything? I know we can be just as biased, but lets say you have a few knowledgeable employees, ask them all and make your best decision from that. I don't know how to manage others or run a business, I wouldn't try without getting input from someone who does first, why should they?
  30. My MBA experience with Linux by acherrington · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I took an 11 week course (we are on quarters) in Management of Information Systems. During the entire 11 week period my proffesor constantly damned the "cathederal approach to software engineering" we refer to as Linux (the book coined the term). His arguement was that it is not easy to use, it is not guarenteed to continue into the future, and there is no one to be held accountable for failures or for fixes.

    That being said, he refused to take a copy of knoppix, refused to play with it when I loaded it for him on the school's computer, and refused to believe that I wasn't playing a trick on him. Because he was the boss of the class and was handing out the grades, I was only able to convience one member of the class on the possibilities of class.

    Oh yeah, the prof was a teacher at Northwestern and at DePaul. Yeesh.....

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    Victory is gained, not in knowing your opponents next move, but in preempting them.
  31. Re:For those of you without a clue... by red+floyd · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are quite a few bosses out there which are either thoughtful or well informed.

    You know, today's not April Fools' Day. That was yesterday (just ask michael).

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    The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
  32. its the institutions, not the textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The noted symptoms are indicative of problems in education in general, not necessarily specific to MIS. Keep in mind that it takes a while for a textbook to get written, edited & published. Then it takes time to get it approved for use & curricula to be developed, then you have to wait for the next semester / school year to start. If you were to publish a current, accurate textbook today, you'd be lucky to get it into a classroom before fall 2005. Those students wouldn't likely hit the market until 2007.

    Now take a look at the mainstream press & how long it takes them to catch up to whats current in IT. If the journalists that cover this stuff on a daily basis take their sweet time opening their minds to new software / OSes / development styles, etc. how long do you think it will take a textbook publisher, much less a professor?

    When I was in college around the beginning of the last decade, the best class I had used business week to drive discussions. It was a great way to get up to speed with the current issues facing business. We were discussing biotech as 'the next big thing'. Note that this was back around the same time that Linus was writing the 1.0 kernel. The 3.5" floppy drive was taking over as a new standard. Internet? WTF is an internet?

    If you want to get current information to wet-behind-the-ears MBA/MIS types, you have to figure out how to convince academians that they need to have flexible curricula that changes as fast as technology. Not necessarily follow the bleeding edge, but find a periodical that will cover a wide range of tech issues.

    The problem isn't with the textbooks, per se, but with the academic institutions that continue to use old, out of date textbooks - which, in the tech field, any published textbook would be!

  33. Knowledge is *hard* by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People are already being sent to Linux training (by their employers) in droves in my area.

    This should be interesting.

    I can't see any kind of training course that effectively teaches someone Linux. You *might* manage to teach someone the GUI configuration front end to Red Hat's current release in a week (including enough background concepts to allow them to understand it). Not much else, though. You definitely can't learn to admin Linux effectively in a week any more than you can learn to admin Windows in a week. I'd go so far as to say that six months of well-thought out curriculum and constant practice probably isn't enough to hammer all the important concepts into someone's head of the workings of just the full set of daemons in a distro, all the important POSIX commands, different security implications, the administrative stuff that a distro uses (keep in mind that this is just for *one* distro) the ins and outs of packge systems, troubleshooting procedures, appropriate forums to go for help and etiquette in those forums, rescue procedures, networking issues...

    Maybe it's expecting too much. Most Windows admins that I've run into are barely more than instruction-manual-following monkeys, whereas there are some *scarily* knowledgeable UNIX gurus out there (could be because there are people with thirty years of UNIX experience out there, but none with more than eight of Win95+ experience). You might be able to take a short training course on how to do very basic operation of a system, but if anything breaks, you aren't going to have a *clue* what to do.

    God, I've been using Linux heavily for years, and I still don't know standbys like awk (well, just enough to get by, but not much) or anything more than a single operator for sed. I *still* find new commands that I haven't seen before. Groff is a closed book to me. I know a bit of Apache's workings, but not loads. I don't know how to set the systemwide timezone in a distro-independent manner (I could look it up, though). I know almost nothing about sendmail's cf syntax -- without a GUI config frontend, I'd be helpless to get sendmail running, and probably mostly helpless to fix anything more than a basic problem. I don't know what a .la file is. I definitely could not set up a Linux firewall or routing system without *heavily* drawing from a reference work, not like those Cisco gurus can do with their hardware, where they just happily rattle off commands. I don't have a clue how emerge works, or what its drawbacks are. I don't know how to configure Metacity. I've never seen YaST. I barely know any PHP. Perl's objects are a closed book to me. I develop software, and yet it's still a complete mystery to me how people can write autoconf files without painfully slogging through huge masses of GNU documentation and looking for likely candidates and doing days of cutting and pasting and trial and error. I've never used subversion. These are all standard Linux tools that you'll find on a common distribution.

    1. Re:Knowledge is *hard* by Gareman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I started by studying for the Linux+ certification. It's supposed to be equivalent to what an admin would know after 6 months. I started knowing nothing, passed my exam, and now I've run Linux at home as my mail, web, and file server for over a year. I'm probably little more than an "instruction-manual-following monkey" but that's what happens when you don't know anyone who uses Linux and your Microsoft certified friends advise you against it.

      And yes, when things break, there's some flagellation, especially if it breaks X, but I've usually been able to recover through basic troubleshooting I've learned in the Windows world.

      As an MCSE with some Linux experience, do I recommend Linux to my bosses? Sure, but with many caveats, including buying commercial versions with commercial support and understanding what role Linux can play in an organization -- usually not as a Microsoft replacement.

      My advice is to stop making Linux the "elite" operating system. If an "instruction-manual-following monkey" can get the system up and doing what it's supposed to, mission accomplished.

  34. Re:strikingly similar by paganizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, it's not just higher education.
    2 years ago, I had the option of sending my kid to a better public grade school; I decided to test the waters by meeting with a few of the teachers.
    I asked "what was the major cause of the U.S. Civil War?"
    and "is the U.S. a republic, or a democracy? whats the difference?"

    The answers literally scared me. in both schools, near identical, both wrong.

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    Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
  35. "A Cup of Tea" for the PHBs by Doofus · · Score: 4, Informative

    A long time ago, I read a book by Paul Reps titled "Zen Flesh, Zen Bones", that includes a story, "A Cup of Tea", that is particularly appropriate given the material in this article. I reproduce the story here:

    A Cup of Tea

    Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meji era (1868 - 1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

    Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.

    The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"

    Like this cup", Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
    The PHBs have had their heads filled so full with material, and are so unwilling/scared/unable to unlearn it, that their education becomes a liability. Corporations encounter the same kind of problem when they develop "core rigidities" and are unable to rapidly adapt to the ever-changing marketplace.

    Aside: someone has been kind enough to reproduce this story, along with a number of other excerpts from "101 Zen Stories", and they can be found here.
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    If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; ... it invites anarchy. - Brandeis
  36. That prof is a nut by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Interesting

    His arguement was that it is not easy to use, it is not guarenteed to continue into the future, and there is no one to be held accountable for failures or for fixes.

    Wow.

    not easy to use

    I'd give it currently, from an end-user standpoint, about roughly equal to Windows. It is different, though, which means that for a user skilled in Windows, it is more difficult to use at first, until they become familiar with the differences.

    it is not guarenteed to continue into the future

    I will bet a million bucks that the Linux kernel will be around longer than the Windows NT kernel. There is one company working on the NT kernel -- there are many people working on Linux. Many companies have an investment and the ability and desire to continue using it, and nobody has the ability to "discontinue" Linux.

    Or did he mean the APIs? UNIX system and library APIs have been more or less constant since the *'70*s. On Windows, a programmer has had to learn (get ready for it) DOS goodies, Win16, Win32, potentially the missing functionality in Windows CE and the added functionality in WinNT (which, frankly, is vastly more of a pain in the ass than the differences between even "different operating systems" like FreeBSD and Linux). Toss MFC into the mix. Now Microsoft's moving their developers to .NET. This is all covering a span of under twenty years.

    Or maybe he was talking about the applications? Sysadmins might learn an application and then it's yanked out from under their feet...but sendmail (then called delivermail) shipped in the *'70*s. How about Apache? It started out as NCSA httpd, and was the second web server ever written.

    there is no one to be held accountable for failures or for fixes

    Absurd. Unless you are Dell or the US Government (and then only *maybe*), Microsoft does not *care* whether there's a bug in Windows. Name one instance where someone successfully sued Microsoft for a flaw in, say, Windows, and recieved damages for the problems caused by it. You can call Microsoft "accountable" all you want -- they are simply not.

    In the Open Source world, I can sit down right now and email the main author, the development team, the maintainer, or the author of a particular feature (and usually *exact* line of code that I care about). I can generally enter bugs into the same bug-tracking system that the developers themselves use. If I'm in a hurry and need a contract for a fix within a certain time bound, I can hire a contractor to fix a bug or add a feature and send that fix to them, even if my company does not have any in-house developers capable of fixing the problem. I can discuss the problem at a technical level and point out the exact lines of code causing the problem publically, with every interested eye in the world trained on the bug. Linux has seen bug fix times for crucial bugs on the order of less than an hour ("there's a TCP bug that needs to be fixed *NOW*) "we need a fix out ASAP". Let's say you use Photoshop and report a bug to Adobe. Maybe, if you're lucky, they'll fix a bug. WilberWorks (a company formed by some GIMP developers) sells service contracts with guarantees that bugs you run into and require fixes for will be fixed within ten *days*. Try getting Adobe interested in doing something like that. Plus, if I don't like WilberWorks, I can hire anyone else to deal with my problem -- there are consultants and programmers-for-hire all over, and I can pay them whatever it takes or have them sign whatever contract I want to get them to fix my problem. Getting someone to be accountable to ensure that Open Source works is much easier than closed source products, where you have only one option -- the original vendor, which generally does not provide support on par with open source developers that provide support contracts (at least of the ones I've noticed). Most closed-source companies have churn, and do not keep developers on a single project. Microsoft, for exampl

  37. Windows is being institutionalized by Angry+Pixie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Illinois Institute of Technology has a business school that offers an Information Systems program. I'd figure that there would be some synergies between the geek-side and the white-collar drone side of the school. I was wrong.

    The textbooks rarely mentioned UNIX or VMS unless it was during a discussion of ancient legacy database or EDI systems or a treatise on the history of client-server computing. There were courses that were specifically slanted toward certain products like Visual Basic, and ASP, with no mention of Delphi or PHP. Database discussions and case studies involving databases were always about Oracle or Microsoft products. There was never a mention of MySQL or PostgreSQL. Linux only came up because my boyfriend is an advocate. We'd discuss equivalent Linux technologies with professors. Those professors who were interested only felt that it wasn't worth it to try to teach those technologies to students since the students want to learn these sexy enterprise computing acronyms like ASP and .NET.

    To make things worse, the entire school network had been rebuilt using all Microsoft technologies on the front end and a couple of IRIX or SunOS systems on the back far away from prying eyes. The result was a complete divorcing of UNIX from all aspects of computing among the student body with the effect of new students not being exposed to anything but Microsoft Windows (including thin clients). This bothers me a lot since I feel my UNIX and VAX experience has helped shaped my understanding of computing more than what Windows has done.

    There is a perception of UNIX and Linux being institutionalized in the university system. UNIX is what was whereas Windows is what will be. Linux is for local chapter ACM members who have long hair and date ugly girls. Windows is for businessmen who drive luxury cars and get blowjobs from beautiful women they hardly know. UNIX is a typewriter in the age of Microsoft Office. UNIX is that mysterious blue box (SGI Indy) sitting in a basement office serving the school's webmail system, and the VAX is a hobbled workhorse that's being put out of its misery as I type.

    *Bang* Hear that? That was the sound of six years worth of my emails being erased forever as a VAX completes its last process.

  38. Re:strikingly similar by clambake · · Score: 4, Funny

    is the U.S. a republic, or a democracy? whats the difference?

    Tick question! Gotcha! It's a corporate oligarchy.