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Inventor of Low Tech Fridge Wins Award

juju2112 writes "Mohammed Bah Abba of Nigeria won a Rolex award for his pot-in-pot invention. Here's how it works. You take a smaller pot and put it inside a larger pot. Fill the space in between them with wet sand, and cover the top with a wet cloth. When the water evaporates, it pulls the heat out with it, making the inside cold. It's a natural, cheap, easy-to-make refrigerator."

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  1. keeping beer cool by phelix_da_kat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Remember at school/university when we use the same principle to keep our beer cold.

    Grab a clean sock, soak in water, wring out, cover teh can of beer and leave on the window sill.. LOL

    1. Re:keeping beer cool by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Remember at school/university when we use the same principle to keep our beer cold.

      Well of course it's obvious, and everybody knows the trick, but this is a perfect example of how some people can be taken by the most outrageous nigerian scams. This time it was the Rolex award judges. Perhaps they expect 20M to be wired from some bank account in Nigeria or something...

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    2. Re:keeping beer cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Happily it turns out that the joke is on the "inventor" since it wasn't really the "Rolex award judges", but a cheap knock-off panel of judges from Thailand.

    3. Re:keeping beer cool by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I once held two weeks' technical training in a hotel for a major UK field service company. All the students (45) stayed in the hotel too and they were all around 17-20 years old - some had not stayed away from home before!

      As you can imagine, there were some rather late night parties and although the hotel staff had cleared out the room mini-bars as requested by the FS company, the students had sufficient intelligence to stock up from the local spermarket.

      One night, however, 'Labatts Ice' bottled beer was on special offer and so was purchased in significant quantities - sadly the bottles would not fit on the mini-bar shelves...no problem, the students simply split open the packs and depositied the bottles in the ornamental fountain in reception and went in regular convoy throughout the night to fetch and replenish stocks! The culprits were tracked down by the trails of water leading back to their rooms and were politely requested not to use the fountain as a fridge.

      A couple of days later, someone tipped a couple of bottles of red food colouring into the fountain!

      Oh, happy days!

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    4. Re:keeping beer cool by stu_coates · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is obviously untrue.... have you ever heard of a student with a clean sock? ;-)

    5. Re:keeping beer cool by Monsieur+Canard · · Score: 5, Informative

      We homebrewers have used this trick for a long time too.

      If you're making a lager, you are supposed to keep it at a relatively cool temperature for an extended period of time while it ... well, lagers.

      If you're not fortunate enough to have an extra fridge (with appropriate temperature regulator), or be living in a cold climate with a cool garage/basement, you can use this technique to keep it fairly cool.

      Just put your carboy (or other fermenter) in a tub with a couple inches of water in it and wrap the vessel in a towel (my favorite was a thick Bugs Bunny terrycloth) with the bottom edge of the towel in the water. Just water your beer every couple of days and you're good to go.

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    6. Re:keeping beer cool by PhotoBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Sir,

      Please kindly permit me to express myself to you. My name is Mohammed Bah Abba from Nigeria. I recently won money from Rolex watch company that mandated me to search for good and reliable company/individual person who can assist me to safe keep some amount of US$100,000 dollars. This fund is paid into a fixed deposit account with coded secret account number and my coded name in a bank in Europe.

      Now, I am wanted by the NIGERIAN SCAMMERS who have mandated that all my assets, bank account home and abroad be confisicated to pay for their email fraud schemes.

      I need trust worthy investor who can go to bank in europe to receive money either through the transfer system for certified draft in his or her name to redeposit this money in your country for good investment. If you can handle this process myself or my attorney to have meeting with you anywhere in europe to go to the bank with legal letter of administration to change beneficiary to your name as investment proxy and investor to our family investments.

      This is very confidential handling if you can be able to handle it with us, I have mapped 20% for you and new fridge that not need electricity. You should contact me urgently on my email: mohammedbahabba@gmail.com.

      This is 100% risk free and demands absolute secret and confidentially.

      If you are being good to good I pray we succeed. respond urgently.

      Mohammed Bah Abba

    7. Re:keeping beer cool by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
      What about people cooling water in earthen pots?

      The point is, and apparently it was novel enough an application to merit $75,000, is that this makes a dry cool space, a refrigerator, that can keep food cold, and has an enormous economic impact -- "Eggplants stay fresh for 27 days, instead of the usual three. Tomatoes and peppers last for up to three weeks" -- not just a pleasantly cool cup of water.

      NB, this was reported in Time magazine in 2001.Slashdot is keeping its fine tradition of reporting "news" years late. Expect the dupe tomrrow.

    8. Re:keeping beer cool by Richy_T · · Score: 2, Funny
      There is a timesaving trick that avoids this palarver entirely but produces an almost identical product. Simply empty out the keg and piss into it until full. Carbonate as required. Then go down the pub for a pint of bitter. Job done.

      Rich

  2. Different Interpretation by incognitox · · Score: 5, Funny

    For some reason, I read "pot-in-pot" as more of a smuggler's invention. Ingenious! I'll hide the _REAL_ pot inside this _FAKE_ pot, so they'll never find it!

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  3. rolexity by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    Give a man a rolex, and he's more or less late for a lifetime. Give a man a stick, and he's on time at least once a day.

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  4. performance parameters? by torpor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i'd sure like to know how often you have to change the wet sand, in order to get 2 weeks worth of refrigeration?

    anyone got any napkin-science calculations that can give us a ballpark of whats needed? i'm sure this is a simple physics equation, only i'm certainly not qualified to work out the formula ...

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    1. Re:performance parameters? by Propagandhi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as you keep it in the shade I doubt you need to rewet the sand too often. Two layers of clay (or whatever the pots are made out of) as well as a few inches of sand should insulate fairly well. If anyone has a site that lists the "R" values (insulation coefficiants) of sand and clay all you'd need to do is compare that to something like a cooler (at least to get an idea on how effective this is).

      Just like your refridgerator at home the main limitation\factor in terms of heat loss is going to be how often you open the fridge and whether you cover it with something more substantial than a cloth once the water is done evaporating.

    2. Re:performance parameters? by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The clay is wet. The sand is wet. It all has the R value of a wet paper bag, which is to say that it's "anti" insulation.

      That's the whole point. It doesn't retain cold, it creates cold. Put on a wet Tshirt on a chilly day and go outside. Get it? It works by heat loss, and thus that's what you're striving to accomplish. The exact opposite of the way you think of a cooler.

      The whole thing works by continuous evaporation. It lasts longer in the shade, but it actually gets colder quicker if you dampen the outside and give it a bit of sun.

      When the thing goes dry it has the R value of a dry paper bag, which is to say, essentially zilch. You have to keep it wet or the whole thing goes to hell, just like when that Tshirt dries out.

      And as I explain in a post above the whole thing actually works better if you use an unglazed porous outside pot. Water seeps through the pot slowly, just fast enough so that the outside always feels a liiiiittle damp, but never wet, and you get the entire surface of the outside pot as cooling area. Throw a real lid on the thing instead of the damp cloth and it'll go for quite some time before you need to add water, although just how long "some time" is is highly variable, since it depends on factors like air temperature and humidity.

      KFG

    3. Re:performance parameters? by vrt3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The whole thing works by continuous evaporation. It lasts longer in the shade, but it actually gets colder quicker if you dampen the outside and give it a bit of sun.

      That's not true. If you put it in the sun, the water will evaporate faster and more energy will be transferred, that's true. But also more energy will be added to the system in the first place, and I doubt the higher evaporation will suffice to compensate for that. Even in the best case, it will exactly compensate, not overcompensate.

      Other means for accelerating the evaporation can have a positive effect: cooling will go faster in dry air than in humid air, and also if there is circulation of air, as caused by placing it outside when it's windy or by placing a fan next to it.

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    4. Re:performance parameters? by micromoog · · Score: 3, Funny
      cooling will go faster . . . by placing a fan next to it

      If only there was somewhere to plug in that fan . . .

    5. Re:performance parameters? by kfg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Please note that I very carefully said "a bit of sun," not "put it in the sun."

      A bit of sun often means on the edge of the veranda instead of deep in it. Or early in the day for an hour or so, before it gets too hot. Nor do you leave it there. It's just to start the whole process going quickly, which can take quite a while if you start it in the conditions you're going to keep it in to maintain the process as long as possible. You can extend the period of using the sun by wrapping a wet cloth around the pot. Then it takes longer to dry. When it dries either wet it again or roll the pot to where you're going to keep it.

      The degree to which you can produce cooling with the direct sun would obviously surprise you though. It certainly did me the first time I experienced it. Let's return to my evisceral example of the wet Tshirt contest. Find yourself a not too humid day about 30 C outside at noon. (If you're near me in New Holland you'll have to wait a few months to try this I'm afraid. Rather closer to Old Holland about the same?(Without Flanders I might not be here. It's where my ancestor was able to flee to to avoid extermination of herself and the child from which I am descended. It's good to be the King. It sucks to be the newly dead King's exmistress.)) Put on a wet, white Tshirt and go stand in the sun.

      You will feel cooler as long as you keep the Tshirt damp. The heat from the sun really doesn't heat you all that much because the heat is being used to evaporate the water, and the water is still able to draw heat from you. If you let the Tshirt dry out you will very quickly start to feel hotter. Go ahead, the next time suitable local conditions prevail try it. Now put that Tshirt on a water jug and keep it damp (the Tshirt is the same thing as that wet cloth on the pot above). Chilled water. In direct sun. Now put the jug in your waterbottle cage and yes, the airflow will make it even colder even faster.

      If, however, you have a fan, you can plug in a refridgerator, no?

      KFG

    6. Re:performance parameters? by Mateito · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Put on a wet Tshirt on a chilly day and go outside.

      I'd love to try this, but I'd probably poke somebody's eye out.

    7. Re:performance parameters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Without Flanders I might not be here

      Okely-dokely!

  5. I'm happy for him and all but.. by Propagandhi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This same man (and invention) won an invention of the year award from time (as seen here) in 2001. I guess it's interesting that he also won this award, but why is Rolex handing out awards years after the fact? Maybe I'm just used to the break neck pace of computer advancement, but this seems a little.. late.

    1. Re:I'm happy for him and all but.. by jobbegea · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is not a Time Award but a Rolex Award and indeed very old news (2000!).

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    2. Re:I'm happy for him and all but.. by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      Maybe I'm just used to the break neck pace of computer advancement, but this seems a little.. late.

      The original Rolex Award was made in 2000. What spurred the submitter was someone posting about it on a buletin board recently. I don't really object to reading about this; but it would have been much better to cite a primary source, like the the RolexAwards site which has full report on this invention and the background.

    3. Re:I'm happy for him and all but.. by danila · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The real question is - how widely this invention is used today, 4 years after the award was given. It doesn't look like there are some huge barriers to entry in the business of pot-in-pot manufacture, it doesn't look like the technology is complicated, so what is the result?

      Are Africans using this in droves to improve their living conditions? And if not, what does that mean? That they are stupid people who are not well suited to live in the modern world and thus do not deserve to survive? Or that we should send more humanitarian (development) aid to them? Not trolling, just honestly curious.

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  6. Brilliant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately such methods have been used in ancient Egypt 4000 years ago already.
    Prior art anyone ?

    1. Re:Brilliant. by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think they are refering to producers of the fruit, if all the sellers have fruit that lasts for a week and the buyers are the only ones with refridgeration, sellers will sell at lower prices to get the fruit off their hands before it spoils, this gives sellers signficantly more negotiating leverage.

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  7. Pot types by nmg196 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does it make much difference what the materials of the pot are? I know they used clay pots, but do they need to be glazed, unglazed etc? Would plastic pots work (it's not just the 3rd would that has a use for battery free fridges).

    I was thinking that perhaps it might work best if the external pot was slightly porus, to aid evaporation, but perhaps all the evaporation occurs at the top, so it doesn't make much difference.

    1. Re:Pot types by Fortress · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Such a cooler would work with any pot material, just with different efficiencies.

      Ideally, you want the outside pot to be a good thermal insulator and the inside pot to be a good thermal conductor. That way, the heat consumed by evaporation is drawn from the contents inside rather than the outside air. Maybe a copper pot inside some sort of oversize thermos with a porous cover would be ideal...of course, such materials probably aren't available cheaply where they're using these ;-)

  8. The money by ExCEPTION · · Score: 5, Funny

    I heard this guy needs someone to transfer the award money for him.

  9. Re:This is New? by passthecrackpipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    nope - there is something like 4500 years of prior art on this one - bedouin tribes have been using this for ever. I saw this used 10 years ago on holiday in Egypt. So Rolex grabs the first Nigerian that has seen something cool while on holiday and actually implemented it at home, and gives him a friggin "award" for his "invention".

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  10. It's an old trick... by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..but maybe the difference is in the execution or something? To me, it's less important that someone might have done this before than the fact that doing it now might change peoples life to the better.


    Shouldn't that be the focus of inventing new ways for doing things by the way? To improve peoples life?

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  11. This is 3 years old by jayrtfm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Time Magazine invention of the year for 2001

  12. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news: Man from Nigeria sells Rolex award, buys fridge.

  13. One thing before I go to sleep. by Propagandhi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure some of us geek's will be confused by this "sand" thing they're using in between the pots. This "sand" they talk about is actually just our friend silicon. Just thought I'd throw that out there to avoid some confusion.

    1. Re:One thing before I go to sleep. by juhaz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but... but... they've ground it to powder! Bastards.

      How can such cruelty towards computers be tolerated!

    2. Re:One thing before I go to sleep. by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      So will this work on my overclocked P4?

      Maybe there will e a market for earthenware PC cases?

  14. Coolgardie Safe by Howzer · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is by no means a new invention. Evaporation cooling has been in use in real products since the invention of the Coolgardie Safe, a primitive fridge invented to cope with western Australia's hot, hot summer.

    But, cut the guy a break. The cool thing here is that he's done it with readily available local materials which is pretty much one of the key features for a real engineer. To paraphrase the old saw:

    Anyone can make you an evaporative cooler for $100; this guy's done it for $1.

    1. Re:Coolgardie Safe by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      If so then he's losing 60 cents on each one he sells

      No, because the manufacturing cost is 30 cents.

    2. Re:Coolgardie Safe by arkane1234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cal me when you can freeze water in that device... Until then I'll stick to my solar fridge that cost $395.00

      Let's see, in my calculations $395 is a bit more than this device.

      Also, the next time your in the third-world areas, see how many people can afford a $395 solar fridge. This is obviously not geared towards you.

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  15. Link to rolex awards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    How about posting the link to the actual award website?

    ...Journalism at its best...

    1. Re:Link to rolex awards? by Shirotae · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Rolex Awards website is Flash only, so don't bother going there if you don't have/want to pollute your system with that technology.

      I was hoping to find out what the criteria for the award were by going to the source, and hoping that it was for making the idea available in a way they can afford to people who need it by use of appropriate technology. Unfortunately, I was frustrated by an inappropriate use of technology on the web site. Those giving the award would do well to learn from those to whom it was given.

    2. Re:Link to rolex awards? by only_human · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is the pdf from the award site:
      http://www.rolexawards.com/laureates/pdf/la ureate0 006.pdf

      This is my attempt at an excerpt:

      He began by studying management sciences at Ahmadu Bello University in the town of Zaria. Equipped with a Bachelor of Science degree in business administration, he became a lecturer at the College of Business and Management Studies at Jigawa State Polytechnic in Dutse in 1990, at the same time heading the college's Student Industrial Work Experience Scheme. When not teaching, Abba serves as a consultant to the regional United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) in Jigawa, organising community activities and giving seminars. A staunch supporter of women's rights, he is also a consultant with the state's Ministry for Women Affairs and Social Mobilization.

      These consultancies have brought Abba in close contact with rural communities, where he has observed the extreme hardships suffered by subsistence farmers and their families. "Through these observations, I became motivated to revitalise earthen pot usage and extend the life of perishable foods," he adds.

      Vegetables, fruit and drinks cooled by a simple evaporation process The innovative cooling system that Abba developed in 1995 consists of two earthenware pots of different diameters, one placed inside the other. The space between the two pots is filled with wet sand that is kept constantly moist, thereby keeping both pots damp.
      Fruit, vegetables and other items such as soft drinks are put in the smaller inner pot, which is
      covered with a damp cloth and left in a very dry, ventilated place. The phenomenon that occurs is based on a simple principle of physics: The water contained in the sand between the two pots evaporates towards the outer surface of the larger pot where the drier outside air is circulating. By virtue of the laws of thermodynamics, the evaporation process automatically causes a drop in temperature of several degrees, cooling the inner container, destroying harmful microorganisms and preserving the perishable foods inside.

      Abba's first trials proved successful. Eggplants, for example, stayed fresh for 27 days instead of three, and tomatoes and peppers lasted for three weeks or more. African spinach, which usually spoils after a day, remained edible after 12 days in the Pot-in-Pot storage.

      The enterprising teacher persistently refined his invention for two years between 1995 and 1997. He then tapped into the large unemployed local workforce and hired skilled pot makers to mass produce the first batch of 5,000 Pot-in-Pots. Manufacturing these devices at his own expense for 30 US cents each, he began distributing them for free to five villages in Jigawa. For this initial phase of his project, he received limited financial backing from his brother and assistance in the form of transportation, fuel and labour from the UNDP, the regional
      government, a local women's development group and the Jigawa State Polytechnic.

      In 1999, Abba built additional pot-making factories and supplied another dozen local villages with 7,000 pots, again at his expense. He estimates that three-quarters of the rural families in Jigawa are now using his cooling device.

      The impact of the Pot-in-Pot on individuals' lives is overwhelming. "Farmers are now able to sell on demand rather than 'rush sell' because of spoilage," says Abba, "and income levels have noticeably risen. Married women also have an important stake in the process, as they can sell food from their homes and overcome their age-old dependency on their husbands as the sole providers." In turn, and perhaps most significantly for the advancement of the female population, Abba's invention liberates girls from having to hawk food each day. Instead,
      they are now free to attend school, and the number of girls enrolling in village primary
      schools is rising.

      These factors, coupled with the effect that the Pot-in-Pot has had in stemming disease and slowing the pace of the rural exodus to cities, ar

  16. coming up next by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 4, Funny

    patent 454,845,474,734

    A liquid, excreted from the skin when hot, whose evaporation helps to maintain an organism within a certain temperature range as well as serving to eliminate certain waste materials from the body.

    This process may be, but is not necessecarily, augmented by a seperate device composed of a number of curved blades, fitted to a central hub and rotated at high speeds by an electric motor in order to create artificial air currents. some form of material support apparatus keeps the device elevated above the ground, either by providing a stand or attaching to the ceiling of the room, or by mounting the device inside some form of automotive vehicle. Also, a guard device may be used to keep sundry items from coming in contact with the blades.

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  17. Re:so how effective is it? by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    and during summer it's expected to go to 30 celsius for fuckin weeks again and no money for AC

    You poor bastard.

    Try working outside in the sun at 43 degrees on hot earthmoving equipment (with engines hot enough to melt your boots when you stand on them)

    During summer I wished for "just" 30 degree weather every day.

    (Annnnnnd I had to crawl on my stomach 5 miles to school every day! Uphill both ways! Down in the dust and the dirt and prickles and the bitey ants! And I *liked* it, because damnit, that was *good* compared to what some of the other kids went through!)

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  18. You're right by ColourlessGreenIdeas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unglazed clay will work better due to water seeping through the pot and evaporating. It's very common to store drinking water in clay pots in India for exactly that reason (nowardays it'll be carried from the well in plastic pots)

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  19. Millk bottle cooler by Bushcat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I used to leave for work at 6am and the milk arrived at 6:30am, I had "milk cooler" which was like a tall flower pot. I left it by the front door, soaking in a bucket full of water. The milkman would pop it over the bottle he delivered each morning. Neither of us got a Rolex for it, though. Maybe people who make Rolexes don't know about the bleedin' obvious. (And while we're at it, we could wonder who makes their watch movements and, indeed, watch bands. Doesn't leave Rolex with much to do.)

  20. This works the other way too by Red_Harvest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Using water to avoid food freezing used to be very common in Norway (and doubtless in other countries with similar climates) before the advent of electricity.

    Put a few buckets of water in your food storage room, and as long as the water is not frozen, the food in the room will not freeze either. Just before the water freezes, replace the buckets with liquid water. Repeat as necessary, and the food will not freeze.

  21. Water by IJsqueen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thank god this only needs water, and they have an infinity supply of that in 3rd world countries, as we all well know.

    1. Re:Water by cowbutt · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Ordinary, uncleansed water is much easier to obtain than safe, drinkable water.

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    2. Re:Water by Illserve · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, storing your perishable food reserves under a cloth soaked with unclean, unsafe water is brilliant.

  22. Re:This is kind of stupid... by kcelery · · Score: 5, Informative
    The interesting thing about the pot is, it has tiny pores roughly in 1 micron range. Water is actually evaporate from the pores on the WHOLE surface of the pot, making it an effective evaporate/cooling device.

    The article didn't mention the effectiveness of the device. Say, on a hot summer day, RH of 80%, if we keep the pot under the shade, could we achieve 15 degree C. A temperature ideal for beer.

  23. Also in Mediterranean cultures by TuringTest · · Score: 4, Informative
    This has also been done in Spain for centuries. We have a traditional earthenware pitcher called "botijo" with a very characteristic design.

    The cooling effect has been scientifically studied. Here is this article describing it (Google-translated from Spanish).

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    1. Re:Also in Mediterranean cultures by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The funny part is that the article you quote also quotes the Rolex award for the Nigerian man.

      So we all know that evaperative cooling has been around for a while, but can anyone explain if this particular application has been used? This still looks novel to me.

      TW

    2. Re:Also in Mediterranean cultures by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not sure if it does. Seriously.

      It's a matter of degree. This guy's invention is suitable to keep vegetables very cool for long periods of time with minimal maintenance. He could have just put some wet burlap over the vegetables kind of like your wet newspaper, but that wouldn't have been as useful to the local people as having in-place, reliable refridgeration.

      Your use of evaperative cooling, like others on this thread, is very useful for your needs, but likely would not have solved the long-term food storage needs of these people. His solution answered their needs more fully. More importantly, he was able to actually deliver the product to market in large enough quantities at a price the local propulation could afford.

  24. Re:This is New? by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is New?

    No, not particularly. It's a very old trick to make cold water by putting it in an unglazed clay pot, which is porous, and allowing evaporation of the seepage to draw the heat out. I learned it from Mexican Indians 35 years ago and it was effective enough to make water cold enough to make your teeth hurt even in the tropical rainforest. It works even better in the desert where evaporation happens quicker due to the low humidity.

    European bicycle racers have been wrapping their water bottles with a damp cloth covering to keep the water chilled for decades as well.

    Until a couple of weeks ago I thought everybody knew you could keep cool by wearing a dampened T-shirt, and then I learned that the Pardy's, those paragons of sea lore and self-sufficiency without electrical power, had only just learned this trick. . .from a Mexican. (This serves as an object lesson to me. Even the experts might well overlook simple and obvious tricks that "every child" knows. Even if that expert is me). The water evaporates from the Tshirt drawing heat out of your body.

    Wrap something damp around a pot, as is done with the water bottle, and the air inside the pot chills, as does anything inside the pot. Wrap a porous outer layer around the damp cloth, such as another pot, and you moderate the evaporation rate.

    This "invention" seems to miss a few of the finer points of the device, thus requiring the damp cloth over the two pots. You need to use an unglazed pot for the outer one. Then you can even put a real cover on the thing and it still works. Better. Longer. Some sort of batting works better as a wick than sand, although sand will do and is certainly freely available.

    I don't mean to denigrate this man's intellectual accomplishment. If he thought it up on his own from basic principles the intellectual feat is equal to the first man that did it.

    But it really does amount to the reinvention of folklore that exists in one place in some other place.

    And the people from Rolex think of it as a new invention because they are modern, mechanistic folk who don't know how to go about living without modern power and machines or what people who do not have such devices already know about doing so.

    The Zapotec Indians I lived among for some months knew lots of tricks that had been handed down over thousands of years for surviving with nothing but what you could make with your own two hands. I've got a poncho just about eight feet from me right now that was woven by them on a backstrap loom they made themselves, with wool from sheep they had grown themselves, sheared themselves, carded themselves, spun themselves, using weaving techniques their ancestors had invented themselves (even though many people throughout the world had invented the same thing). Living with them for a few months taught me more about how to think about living than any number of survival books and hiking expeditions had ever done.

    Many of the things they did appeared as magic to me, because I was just an ignorant Americano and their technology was sufficiently advanced. . .for the enviroment. Much of the mythology surrounding the "magical" abilities of the Australian aborigine come from the same source, their technology being too advanced for a European to understand. It was lost technology to them.

    I was in Mexico in the late 60s (that's where I first heard Abbey Road). The Zapotecs are starting to lose it too now as they begin to sell their weaving to touristas so that they may buy Tshirts and blue jeans. Most of them buy neon colored acrylic yarn from the store now instead of using their own lovely wool, because the Americanos really like the bright "native" colors instead of the natural tones of wool.

    Well, their lot will certainly improve with more money at their disposal, and I certainly won't begrudge them that. Doctors cost serious money no matter how "self-sufficient" they are, and they coul

  25. Re:This is New? by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I thought Nigerians were the most honest people on earth!

    =Smidge=

  26. Most pioneer types had similar stuff by theolein · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm from South Africa and I remember a visit to a friends farm about 20 years ago, where he showed me this big black metal box (about 6 feet, 180cm high) he had in his back yard which he used for storing spiced and salted dried meats (locally called Biltong, a bit like beef jerky I think). It worked on the same principle in that it was double walled with the space inbetween the wall filled with sand and a large grating on top which needed to be replenished with water every now and again. It was amazingly cool in the African summer heat.

    He had replaced the box after the one from his grandfather finally rusted to pieces after just over 75 years of continual use.

    Truckers in South Africa also used to also carry a water bag in a wet sand filled canvas bag outside their trucks to provide a constant source of cool water.

    I think the principle is probably much older than this, probably going back to the first person realising that the wind chilled him more after taking a dip in a lake that when he was dry.

  27. How it works... by otter42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Basically, the outer clay pot is porous. The water evaporates and escapes through the pores in the clay. This all happens very quickly because the air is so dry. So assuming that 1 kg of water evaporates each hour, this means about 2kJ of energy, and thus heat, is sucked from the pot. So for you non-metric heads, this means that every gallon of water equals 8,000 BTU. For reference, a typical family refigerator might use 7,700,000 BTU/yr, or 900BTU/hr.

    You'd be surprised at the massive amount of energy that a liquid-to-vapor phase change can carry away. In fact, six times more energy is needed to turn one molecule of 100C liquid water to one molecule of 100C vapor water than is needed to heat liquid water from 0 to 100C!

    Boiling, which is a similar phenomenon, is the most efficient way to transfer heat known to science.

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  28. Re:so how effective is it? by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Evaporative coolers such as units from bonair are excellent in dry, hot climates. They constantly draw in dry hot air from outside, drop it by about 10 degrees C and duct it through your house to escape through open doors and windows.

    Where I live at present (Mount Isa, Queensland), just about every house and business has at least a 6000cfm evaporative air conditioner. Humidity can often get below 30%, meaning that they work particularly well. In fact, they can theoretically cool to the dew point, which if you take note of the last 72 hr readings from Mount Isa can pull down to 10 degrees or so when it's dry.

    They are of course completely fucking useless for about 3 weeks of the year when it's hot and humid and you get storms in the afternoon at 35 degrees and 90% humidity. You just sweat like a pig then, or retreat to the refrigerative airconditioner you normally keep in reserve in your bedroom.

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  29. Re:This is New? by asdf+101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Prior art apart, this is more a case of practical application on a scale previously unknown for this device.

    The main reason for any award that this "device" would be eligible for is of course its social impact. If a simple arrangement of clay pots can prolong the life of perishable food in areas that don't have our "off the shelf from the supermarket perceptual abundance", it's got my vote. If it can drive more kids to school rather than have them vending out on the streets, it should have your vote too.

    You might be well right when you say that this is an old invention. But I would caution against demeriting it simpy on account of that. Once again, clearly, the impact of the invention's application counts just as much as (maybe even more than) the invention itself.

    One more example of applied commonplace knowledge -- Freeplay radio. Just how long have we known of windup springs and their potential energy???

  30. Too complicated by far! by MrIrwin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thousands of years ago potters allready knew how to make pots sufficiently pourous that they would keep the water cool by sweating.

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  31. Re:Brilliant! by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Depending on your definition of "recently", which could be construed different ways considering that the subject at hand is hundreds if not thousands of years old, I would also include the Ranque-Hilsch Vortex Tube as a recent advancement. This simple device produces hot and cold air streams from a stream of compressed air with no electricity and *NO MOVING PARTS* (except those required to compress the air in the first place).

  32. Re:This is New? by sjwt · · Score: 2, Informative

    not realy, ive seen wine coolers that work the same way..

    A better version is a case over which you hang a large thick canves cloth, put it in the shade where the wind blows and make sure the bottom of the cloth is in water, you can keep things much cooler.

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  33. Hmm by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This isn't actually very different to the way an electric fridge or air conditioner works. The main difference is that in a fridge, the refrigerant is contained within a closed cycle; in this simple evaporative scheme it is lost to the surrounding air. Since it's only water, few people are likely to be bothered about that. That's why, if you have a CFC fridge and it's still working, there's no point getting rid of it ..... the CFCs are sealed up nice and tight inside it, till you scrap it {there's not much you can actually do to get rid of unwanted CFCs, except leak them into the atmosphere when nobody's looking; which is almost certainly what will happen to the CFCs in your fridge, even if you don't put a chisel through the evaporator in a defrosting accident} and making a new one uses up more energy and resources than keeping an existing one going.

    The idea that an evaporating liquid draws heat from its surroundings is nothing new.

    Basically, the difference between a liquid and a gas is how much the molecules are vibrating: if the vibration is weak, the molecules' affinity for each other bonds them loosely together so they follow one another around, assuming the shape of a container but occupying a definite volume. If the vibration is stronger than that attractive force, then they just fly apart, occupying the whole of the container and exerting a pressure on it. Heating, of course, makes the molecules vibrate more strongly, which is why liquids turn into gases when heated.

    If you try to force more molecules into a space, eventually they will be forced into colliding with one another often enough to form a liquid. This is what goes on in a cigarette lighter: there are just too many molecules to behave as a perfect gas, so some of them are forced together and behave as a liquid.

    Pressure, volume and {absolute -- i.e. in Kelvins, 0C = 273.15K} temperature are related by the equation: P * V = n * R * T, where n = number of moles of gas and R is the Ideal Gas Constant. No gas is truly ideal, because the assumption is that the individual molecules have neither mass nor volume; however, the relationship holds reasonably well in real life, only deviating sharply around the point where liquefaction actually occurs.

    A fridge or air conditioner has three main parts: the compressor, the condenser and the evaporator. The refrigerant gas is first compressed. Pressure goes up and volume goes down, so temperature also goes up. It is then pumped around some pipes at the back of the fridge {or in the outdoor part of the air conditioner; portable units don't have an outdoor section, so the condenser is cooled by blowing air over it and out of a window through a length of flexi-flue -- uncouple this and you've got yourself a de-humidifier} to allow it to cool down. Once the refrigerant has cooled to ambient temperature and become a liquid again, it is forced out by its own pressure through a tiny hole into a larger space {the evaporator - usually the outer jacket of the icemaking compartment of a fridge, or the coil of pipe in the indoor part of an air conditioner that gets covered with ice crystals}. Now the pressure is not sufficient to keep the refrigerant molecules together, so it becomes a gas again. Pressure goes down, volume goes up, so to satisfy the laws of physics, temperature must go down.

    The compressor's intake draws the low-pressure refrigerant out of the evaporator and the whole thing starts again. {In an air con., the whole process has to be stopped every so often to allow the accumulated ice to melt off the surface of the evaporator. Plumbed-in units have a permanent drain, portable ones have a tank which needs emptying periodically. The meltwater is pure enough to be used anywhere demineralised water is required.}

    You can also get a terracotta butter cooler which works on this principle: the inside of the tray and dome are salt-glazed, the outsides are unglazed. You soak the whole thing in water, which then evaporates slowly from the outer surface, keeping the butter usefully cold {not rock solid, but not runny either}.

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  34. Invention ? by mritunjai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I second the people posting that its around 4000 year old method.

    I'm from India and I first I read about it when I was around 10 year old (I'm 23) in a popular social magazine (called 'Dharmyuga', the most popular magazine of its time). It had schematics identical to those offered by this fellow, and yes, they mentioned it to be "very old technique". My dad still has collection of old issues of this mag and I'm sure I can fish out the article mentioning this 'invention'.

    Can't these fellows do at least a google query to verify that whatever they're offering money for is indeed an invention ??

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    1. Re:Invention ? by Forgotten · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Rolex site mentions that Abba was aware of evaporative cooling through pots from his childhood growing up in a family of potmakers. The problem was that clay pot technology was being lost by these people, replaced by impermeable plastic and aluminum pots sold to them by importers. This is a pretty common pattern when you think about it - culturual colonisers replacing indigenous technologies with supposedly better stuff that's mainly just more profitable to the colonisers. When something's been done for thousands of years, there's usually a good reason for it.

      Note that Abba's particular method of making pots may also be a refinement for the evaporative characteristics of the clay. More importantly, technology in a vacuum is a useless thing - it's not just that he had the idea, but that he's turning it into a real, widespread change for his countrymen in a way that integrates with what they were already doing. Read the Rolex site for more information on that. This isn't just a technology award, it's a humanitarian award.

      The spark of genius isn't just knowing that something can be done, it's doing it in a time and place where it has real applicability. And doing that in an evolutionary way - not throwing out the baby with the bathwater - has all sorts of extra benefits. If this method was known for 4000 years and wasn't being used by these people, then that's 4000 years of failure. Not something to get all puffed up about.

      (btw I'm also Indian - though not from India - and like you I know through my family that absolutely everything of any importance was done by Indians first ;)

  35. this is how much cooling you get... by hak1du · · Score: 4, Informative
    From Convair's web site:
    TEMPERATURE DROP CHART

    Ambient Relative Humidity
    Temperature (ºF)

    -- 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90%
    50 36.2 37.9 39.6 41.2 42.8 44.3 45.8 47.2 48.7
    60 42.9 45.1 47.2 49.3 51.3 53.2 55.0 56.7 58.4
    70 49.2 52.1 54.7 57.3 59.7 61.9 64.1 66.1 68.1
    80 55.3 58.9 62.2 65.2 68.1 70.7 73.3 75.6 77.8
    90 61.4 65.7 69.6 73.3 76.5 79.7 82.4 85.1 87.7
    100 67.2 72.5 77.1 81.3 85.1 88.5 91.7
    110 72.9 79.1 84.5 89.3 93.6 97.5
    120 78.7 86.0 92.2 97.5
    130 84.5 92.8 99.9
    It's nice, and it helps, but it's no refrigerator. Note that effectiveness depends on humidity.

    Evaporative cooling has been use in kitchens for millenia, although it is usually used to keep water cool (unglazed pots). For storage of more than a few hours, a cellar, solid stone building, or cave is less hassle. You easily get guaranteed 70F or below long-term storage in most regions of the world, and if you are architecturally clever, you can actually get lower-than average-long-term temperatures without any maintenance or needing to re-fill water into little jugs.
  36. Re:This is New? by Bohnanza · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I was a kid, I invented the lever. How was I to know it had been done before?

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  37. Re:This is New? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes. The thermodynamics involved in the device have been known for thousands of years. But the invenion is appling this to keeping food cool in a Nigerian village. To the best of mine, and Rolex's knowledge, nobody has apparently tried that particular feat before on a Nigerian village.

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  38. Re:Not in Holland by softwave · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, if I were in Holland and I'd find pot on the street, I wouldn't hesitate to "borrow" it either :-)))

  39. Re:This is New? by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 4, Funny

    > Sure, someone in a developed country might have come up with something more innovative, but they probably don't need the money as much as this guy would.

    Hmm.. my inbox tells me they have milions of dollars just lying around there..

  40. Re:This is New? by Himring · · Score: 3, Funny

    there is something like 4500 years of prior art on this one - bedouin tribes have been using this for ever.

    "So what was this used for?"

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  41. Doesn't matter? by John+Harrison · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Mr. Smarty Pants,

    If this is so blindingly obvious maybe you should have invented it and started selling low-cost refridgeration equipment in Africa. If you read up on the effects of this device you would find that young women in families that use the device are now allowed to go to school instead of being sent to the market to sell goods? Why? Because crops last longer so they don't have to sell them as soon as they pick them.

    So tell those young girls that it doesn't matter. Tell the same thing to families that have food that lasts weeks instead of days.

    Just because something is simple doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter? by namidim · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the point is not that it isn't useful but that it was already being used. My relatives in South Africa know about this trick. The boy scouts use it there for goodness sake. I've been looking around and apparently the "inventor" never even checked the interior temperature of his device. Also the same article seems to indicate the social impacts reported were not indipendantly verified, but reported by Abba himself....

  42. Re:Brilliant! by Mac+Degger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love posts like these:

    "It's a more or less obvious solution for anyone who knows some rudimentary thermodynamics"

    Very cute: but I'll tell you that stuff like this isn't even totally obvious for people who know quite advanced thermodynamics. Sure, it helps to know some laws, some integration/differentation techniques. But to actually apply it in such a simple and effective way is a whole different kettle of fish entirely.
    An idea isn't worth much without application of that idea. And I'd wager that you (and many of the 'oh, this is basic'-posting crowd) people wouldn't have thought this up even with a thermodynamics textbook up their arse. I know I didn't. This idea is only self-evident when you're told about it's solution, and the proof is that, knowing the problems people in africa have with their lack of refregiration, /not one of you/ came up with it. It's a paperclip/washingpeg like idea.
    And previous invention of the basic idea (as mentioned in some other posts) doesn't detract from the accomplishment; especiallly if theh guy never heard of those.

    And by the way, isn't magnetic cooling quite a new concept in refrigeration? And what about lasercooling (even though that's obviously not scalable to the macro-environment)?

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  43. One that can even make ice by PhotoGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a link to research being done using a similar approach, but more efficient evaproration (not water), and a vacuum, so it can actually produce 2kg of ice a day. (Not in production yet, due to deterioration of the system after a couple of years, but doesn't sound too far off.)

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  44. Re:so how effective is it? by Rexdude · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live in New Delhi, India-where summer temperatures of 45C are not uncommon. We have what we call 'desert coolers', which are much better than ACs for cooling. Imagine a large metal box with a big fan on one side and straw mats on the other three-which are wetted by water drawn up from the tank below by a pump. The air sucked in by the fan evaps the water, losing heat in the process, and becoming quite cool. I have a large one at home-and I've observed the room temp drop to 22-23C when its above 40 outside. This stuff consumes about 10-20% of the power consumed by an AC-so it's quite good. (power consumption depends on the wattage of the fan, u can put as powerful a fan as you like). They are also quite cheap to make, and it's almost like a cottage industry here-every summer, local shops stock these coolers in various sizes-huge 8' high ones with industrial grade exhaust fans, to cool large areas, to dinky little 'personal coolers'.
    However, during the monsoons, or rainy weather-the humidity renders them useless, as evaporation on the straw mats reduces.
    Oh, and clay pots have been used in India too, for generations, for keeping water cool-though not in the way mentioned.

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  45. Re:This is New? by rlafflick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Definitely not new tech, but this is the first documented application with such social significance as freeing up kids to go to school. Kudos to the awards panel for recognizing his ingeniousness and benefits to other people

  46. Don't do him any favors by 955301 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Grats to this guy for winning the recognition. But from what I understand in his culture the money he receives will just have to be doled out to his family, and his extended family, and their families, etc.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but that's part of the problem with entreprenuership in a lot of African nations. As soon as you start to get somewhere, people start crawling out of the woodwork looking for handouts as part of your family, and it's against traditions to not give the assistance to them. That's why nepotism is such a problem. If you are elected to a position of power you pretty much have to hire your relatives.

    I'm assuming this based on the following story: I dated a (great) woman for about two years who lived in Rwanda for 18 months. While there for the state department, she taught a native how to manage his small furniture business and turn a respectable profit. Once he started making enough gains to expand and have a chance at doing more than just surviving off his work (expand his shop, hire more carpenters, open a real store, etc.) she learned that his family threw some serious pressure at him to buck her advice and give the money to them.

    So he never was able to make a business to sustain his family because they didn't understand he needed to pay people working for him to bring even more in. Don't spend the seed money.

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  47. free energy source by zogger · · Score: 3, Informative

    don't look at the heat on the roof as an enemy, it's a free energy source. If you can collect it, you can use it with an ammonia evaporative refrigeration unit. You could also use it (possibly) to generate some useful amounts of electricity.

    Another way to get free cooling in the summer is to have a lot of plastic pipe buried down in the yard below the surface effect heating. That's a variable that you'll have to determine, the depth, but should be easy to find out. In northern climes, it's roughly equivalent to the mean average frost depth. The pipes (long enough, some hundreds of feet are needed to cool say around a 1500 - 2000 sq ft structure) have a single entrance to them coming out of the ground at the farthest away, lowest, shadiest/coolest spot you have in the yard. They come into the building and have a vent at the lowest most central point, then are open to the room. Depending on how many stories your building is, you have floor vents that may be opened and closed, all the way to the roof, where another vent is located. Heat rises, you are creating a thermo-siphon effect. Air enters at the outside pipe, travels underground through the pipes and gets cooled. The roof vent, being the highest and hottest point, acts as the draw, the pump if you will, drawing the cooler air upwards and out, cooling as it travels. That's why you need a lot of buried pipe, but once constructed, it's relatively maintenance free, just needs take care on adequate screening at both ends to prevent insects and dirt entering, etc, and to keep rainwater out, relatively easy with normal conical vent caps. It's a chimney effect, low tech, no moving parts, but you can get some decent cooling from it. I don't have a link real handy, but I imagine that googling will find you some drawings and real-world examples of this technique in action.

    The water based evaporative coolers are in large scale use around the world. Local to me is a rather large commercial poultry operation, all the buildings there have massive evaporative coolers installed, they work fairly well, and save many thousands in electric costs, in fact, I doubt they could operate the farms at a profit without them. Basically they are just huge screens that have water dripping down them, and the exhaust fans in the building draw the air through them.

    Large commercial sized greenhouses mostly all have them as well.

    Your insulation efforts are bang on. Nothing beats massive insulation as a heat/cold moderator. It's the most productive and efficient way to spend the energy dollar once any sort of artificial heating/cooling is required. In some places, the technique is called "superinsulation", with a usual targeted goal of R-55 to 60 range, as opposed to (in the US anyway) the normal R-18 or so. I've worked on two of those projects, they work pretty well for dropping costs (increasing effieicney really) for both cooling and heating.

  48. Wow, no one gets it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is not about whether or not you did the same thing in college with your beer, or whether you did something like this in 8th grade science fair, or whether the ancient Egyptians had these with ice-dispensers built in to the side. Yeesh.

    This is about how someone came up with an easily packaged low-tech device that will help millions of people. Sure, it's obvious, but he's doing something that will actually help people.

  49. Air conditioning with wet hay bale by dwhite20899 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We used to take a hand's width "slice" of straw from the end of a square bale, make it wet and stick in the window - instant air conditioner. The breeze blowing through it (coming INTO the room - you don't want to cool the OUTSIDE) had the heat "removed" with this same process.

    I doubt those people have the straw/grass/etc. to waste on A/C, though.

  50. Re:This is New? by MarkSfromAR · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it new, no. But does that really matter?

    Edison did not invent the lightbulb, he only perfected a lab curiousity so that it was feasable for everday use.

    Ford did not invent the auto assembly line (Randsom E Olds did that) Ford improved upon it where he could mass produce cars and provide it to the masses at an affordable cost.

    Did this guy invent something new? Probably not, but I think the people who will be using it will thank him for having it in their house.

    Invetion is fine, but without application and distrubution, it is meaningless to most people.

  51. Re:This is New? by pantycrickets · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes. The thermodynamics involved in the device have been known for thousands of years. But the invenion is appling this to keeping food cool in a Nigerian village. To the best of mine, and Rolex's knowledge, nobody has apparently tried that particular feat before on a Nigerian village.

    I am going to bring my Xbox there, and "invent" gaming. :)

  52. Re:so how effective is it? by kc0dxh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the American West, these are common. We call them Swamp Coolers. We have moist pads on 4 sides and exhaust throught the bottom, usually.

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  53. How cold? by Dr.+Mu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So how cold can these things make their interiors? The article mentioned being able to keep perishables for three weeks, which seems to be on par with my fridge -- if not better! But what does that translate to in degrees Fahrenheit (or, for the rest of the world, Celsius) with, say, a dry 100-degree F ambient?

  54. Re:This is New? by dougmc · · Score: 4, Funny
    European bicycle racers have been wrapping their water bottles with a damp cloth covering to keep the water chilled for decades as well.
    Now, wouldn't it be really cool if these same European bicycle racers could excrete liquid directly from their skin and then have it evaporate, removing heat directly from their body ...

    (:

  55. Re:This is New? by ministerofsickeningr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Living with them for a few months taught me more about how to think about living than any number of survival books and hiking expeditions had ever done.
    1. this is an opportunity
    2. PLEASE WRITE THIS INFORMATION DOWN!!
    3. PUBLISH IT! so we ALL can
    4. profit!! from it.

  56. What is new about this is: by blrichwine · · Score: 5, Informative

    What is new about this is his effort. He maximized his design for over two years to get the maximum affect (prolonging the life of produce) for the least cost. Then he built two factories to produce them and distributed them to rural villagers for free (using his own money). Imagine the changes it made on a culture where food grown would only last 1-2 days once picked if it could now last a month or more!

    The real "invention" here is his efforts toward making a positive change in the villager's lifestyle. Obviously if someone is awarding $100,000 dollars there is more to it. You folks should do some more research before you nock it!! He plans to use the $100,000 to distibute the pots more widely and to increase his education efforts!

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  58. Re:Okay Grandpa Simpson by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ah yes, the Swedish lunch box. I remember it well. I used to carry my blue jeans in one, only we didn't call them blue jeans back then. We called them "dungarees" because only shitkickers wore them. Even a shitkicker wouldn't wear dungarees into town, because then everyone would think he was a shitkicker.

    That reminds me of the time I was mucking out stalls in exchange for riding time, because shitkicker is actually the sort of boot we wore to do it. And people who wore them were then shitkickers too. The whole shitkicker/dungarees thing just sort of became a package deal.

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  59. Re:Aborigine technology? by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I never ceases to amaze me how modern people assume "primitive" means stupid. And that would just be primitive by our standards of technology. Doesn't say anything about thier level of mathmatics or astronomy. There are plenty of amazing things done in history without the use of electricity or modern metals.

    For instance the Romans would move water hundreds of miles without the use of any pumps. Only gravity would be used. There is once site in Spain where the Romans used water to tear down a mountain to mine it. Something we would use explosives and heavy machines to do.

    I esp. love the nut jobs who assume that because the people of Egypt didn't have bulldozers and crains they couldn't have built the pyramids. Instead it was built by aliens or people from Atlantis. Which is all poppycock, the Egyptians had a prefectly "primitive" way of doing it, we just forgot what it was.

    Primitive is relative, but it doesn't mean stupid.

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    Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

  60. Entrepreneurial award by dustmite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being original isn't the damn point. The award wasn't for innovation, it's an entrepreneurial award for building a company on this idea (and improving people's lives by selling a well-made implementation of the product, what capitalism is actually about - in other words, to put it bluntly, this is an "award for learning to be a good capitalist", probably an unusual concept in (white male) American capitalism, but probably comparable to e.g. 'businesswoman of the year' type awards that still reward female capitalist success stories in developed countries).

    Check this link: it's called the "THE ROLEX AWARDS FOR ENTERPRISE". Quote, "He has already sold 12,000".

  61. A desert fridge that needs water? by SimonInOz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Er, isn't the whole problem with deserts the LACK of water?
    A gadget like this will consume a fair bit of water, surely? More in hot, dry weather.

    As a matter of interest, my Scottish grandmother used something similar, a pan of water with a [non-porous] milk container, wet cloth on top. The non-porous pan meant the water only evaporated through the cloth, thus slowing water consumption.

    Here in Australia, we use canvas water bags hung outside the car - they stay cool all right, especially as you drive along. (Disclaimer, don't try this in a city)

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    "Cats like plain crisps"