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Giant Sub-Woofer
PuceBaboon sent us linkage to an amusing story about building a
gigantic custom sub woofer. I was about to yawn until I looked at the pictures of them excavating a 60 cubic meter hole, and laying bricks. This one might be a little outside the realm of reasonable, but it's damn impressive.
Howard Stern would have a field day with this puppy!
Oh man.. that room with Motorhead's Boneshaker DVD and some Fort Garry Dark Ale.
All that'd be left are greasy, bloody smudges.
I can hardly wait for someone to put it in their car, and drive through my neighborhood at 3 am...
yeah he was so upset he couldn't get a first post he decided to build this so he couldn't hear himself sobbing.
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I think so, but wouldn't it'd be cheaper to just buy an SUV?
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The horn is an acoustic transformer that links the cone to the air in the room very effectively. For good results, a bass horn has to be very large, on the scale of the wavelength of the notes it's reproducing.
The bass you hear on your home hi-fi is most likely produced by resonance, something you should avoid if you really want to hear what those bass notes are sounding like. But resonance is cheap! Large bass horns are neither cheap, nor easy, but they sound so much better...
-- oldthinkers unbellyfeel ingsoc
This MUST be old news. From the looks of the shwank pad, it must be the 70s. This is where pot will get you. Making giant subwoofers. Oh wait... pot will get you sleeping on the couch or laughing about things that aren't funny.
Nevermind.
these guys build custom home cinema installations so this was either for a client or I think their own demo to show off what they can do....
...scientists are predicting Southern California could be in for a major earthquake this spring or summer.
Hotblack quated as saying, "You call that a woofer??"
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I've built my own speakers before, and while you can do a good-enough job without too much hassle, making a first-rate product is very labor and math intensive. If this guy is putting that much money and effort into this project, I really hope he gets all the damping and power equations right. Otherwise this will all just be a publicity stunt (maybe that's what it is anyway). I'm thinking about the amplifier he needs to run it right now. That's a lot of juice! And juice = money. And worste of all, you'd never be able to use the thing! Even a store bought stereo goes well above the municipal noice ordinances. And bass carries the furthest! What is this guy thinking?
If he ever does use it, I bet he'll feel that really cool thumping sensation in his chest though.
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The main question is, does it go to eleven?
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What those apparently puddles of yellowish brown liquid in the pics near the bottom are?
ear wax
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where do i plug in my guit?!
this is awesome. really, incredibly oversized and inappropriate - but absolutely awesome.
I hope I didn't brain my damage.
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy notes that Disaster Area, a plutonium rock band from the Gagrakacka Mind Zones, are generally held to be not only the loudest rock band in the Galaxy, but in fact the loudest noise of any kind at all. Regular concert goers judge that the best sound balance is usually to be heard from within large concrete bunkers some thirty-seven miles from the stage, whilst the musicians themselves play their instruments by remote control from within a heavily insulated spaceship which stays in orbit around the planet - or more frequently around a completely different planet.
Their songs are on the whole very simple and mostly follow the familiar theme of boy-being meets girl-being beneath a silvery moon, which then explodes for no adequately explored reason.
Many worlds have now banned their act altogether, sometimes for artistic reasons, but most commonly because the band's public address system contravenes local strategic arms limitations treaties.
This has not, however, stopped their earnings from pushing back the boundaries of pure hypermathematics, and their chief research accountant has recently been appointed Professor of Neomathematics at the University of Maximegalon, in recognition of both his General and his Special Theories of Disaster Area Tax Returns, in which he proves that the whole fabric of the space-time continuum is not merely curved, it is in fact totally bent.
A giant subwoofer made with a wooden speaker cone soaked in sake?
All your BASS are belong to us
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full-sized church pipe organs are specially tuned. Each pipe plays exactly one note, and the pipe's length determines the wave length. The high ceilings in a church also help.
Why read the article when I can just make up a snap judgement?
Speaker guy: Is there a problem officer?
Policeman: The neighbors are throwing up. Can you please turn down your gigantic, crater-filling sub-woofer?
Speaker guy: Huh?
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
...like this?
I've heard Hotblack Desiato used a black hole as a subwoofer at the galaxy twist gig next saturday.
Fans whom have will heard it claims:
-It really rocked!
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The question is, if he blows one, will anyone notice :)
Anyway if you had looked at the pictures, the speakers are easily accessed through a removable floor panel. Similar to the wiring in a server room.
Why is it that people look at a project, which someone else has put a ton of time and effort into, and think they can find flaws in less than a minute. Is your opinion of your fellow man that low, or your opinion of yourself that inflated?
Yea, I'm pretty sure Ellisons old lap pool beats those guys: http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/s tories/2003/07/21/focus1.html?t=printable
A candidate for the "bored with extreme wealth" category, though not yet a grandpa, is Oracle CEO Larry Ellison. When he revamped his Pacific Heights home a few years ago and wanted to eliminate a lap pool on the bottom level, Green convinced him to turn it into a massive subwoofer instead.
Green said that when he and Ellison played Jurassic Park to test the system "the part with the dinosaur stomping actually lifted us up out of our seats. (The sound) was moving eight inches of concrete" on the floor.
these guys build custom home cinema installations so this was either for a client or I think their own demo to show off what they can do....
.mp3 recording of the room? I want to hear the difference between that setup and my laptop's speakers.
I'm still not convinced. Does anyone have an
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What's the first thing do you do with a subwolfer that size? Why play the brown noise (that certain frequency that causes someone to lose bowel control and crap their pants) of course.
I hate to nit-pick, but it's a large, elaborate enclosure and not a huge subwoofer itself. Slightly more practical is the "Cult of the Infinitely Baffled".
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This has been done before- The "New York Experience" Theatre in New York City had a 26 foot horn Sub-woofer built beneath the floor of the audience.
It no longer exists, but was on 5th avenue in the basement of the office building for a book publisher. In the 70's I was given a tour by the operators. The theatre was housed in space that had been built to be used as a small planetarium, but had not been completed. A seating floor was built at the base of the dome, and the speaker was built in the space below. The show was a multi-screen multi-media production giving a virtual tour of NY, with physical props included.
The speaker was an exponential horn, 26 foot in length, and used twice during the show (once was during a subway station scene, I forget the other). The cones of the drivers would only last for about 4 hours of operation, so would have to be reconed every few so many shows. The was built of wood, and curved so that the opening pointed up towards the feet of the attendees.
Having attended the show many times, (early geek destination in NY), I can attest that it was an intense experience, sitting in the opening of such a speaker.
It's a horn. A horn is an acoustic transformer, which matches the impedence of the cone to the impedence of the air, giving a very effecient energy transfer. That means very, very fast bass, with more attack than any brute force method you describe. Your speakers are the equivalent of hitting a feather (the light air) with a golf club (heavy cone). The feather won't go far as there's a big impedence mis-match. The horn gradually makes the air the cone is trying to move match with the weight of the cone, so to speak, like replacing the feather with a golf ball in the above analogy. When the cone moves the air now, it moves easily because of the matched impedence.
To give you an example, my small horn speakers with a 7.5 watt amp go as loud as my brother's PA speakers on his 750watt amp. Do the logarithms and that means that my speakers are 20db more sensitive than his - because of the horns! (actually about 6db of that is due to bigger magnets, but the rest of the increase is down to the horns)
So, the end result is many, many times superiour, with louder sound, with less distortion than your "box" speakers.
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FYI, Church organs go to 32 foot pipes. The good ones go one rank further to 64 feet. These are the big folded pipes in back. You won't get to see these unless they have a viewing window to the real pipes. They are not the pretty pipes in front. The 64 footers are almost always folded double or triple (like most brass insturments) because the pipe loft isn't that tall. Due to the shape of the pipe, it's throat, and other attributes, most pipes don't play exactly one pitch. That's why they don't all sound like sine waves or have a flute sound. Some pipes have brass and trumpet sounds instead of flute sounds. This is due to the harmonics generated by many pipes to give them rich fat sounds by design.
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First plenty of people have explained here that hes only using 6Watts of power to do this. Your puny JL's will not do this. (These guys are using JBL style drivers...look at the cones you can tell :) ) These are not car type devices which tend to be very low efficiency. These are PRO SOUND drivers (not to be confused with the aftermarket car guys claiming they are PRO Sound. The term refers to Professional Sound Reinforcement ie Concert type speakers. JL does not do this nor does any car sub company.) These drivers are close to 100dB/1w1m sensativitey not 85dB/1w1m. Also they are most likely 16 ohm drivers giving him a 4 ohm load to his amp. Beyond all of these differences the major difference is that he has distortion in the UNMEASUREABLE RANGE.....where as IIASCA pretty much is just measureing distortion. IIASCA may make a lot of money playing to the booming kiddies out there but as far as serious acoustics and sound quality they are a friggin joke.
If you cant tell this thing must sound incredible. It has some very serious acoustics behind it and the designer has chosen to not compromise on the setup. I bet it can make your skin crawl :)
I have experienced 4 18" Pro subs in a horn loaded design (Klipsch did this a few years ago at CES). It was fantastic. They used 3 watts of power to drive the subs :)
Braggin about how many watts you speakers take is sorta like bragging about how much gas you car burns per mile. Less is more....not the other way round.
. I love the sound of burning women and screaming rubber....
Hi-fi audio is all about vibrating air to sound "like" a real performance. If all you think about is the electronics, you are forgetting about the physical properties of the chosen speaker, the way the cabinet affects those properties, the accoustics of room, the precision of human hearing, and the subjective perception of the listener. Audio design is a discipline which demands that one think about not only electronics (although electronics are important), but wave physics, biology, and psychology.
Make sure you run only quality Monster brand optical digital cables. I have it on good authority from the guy at Circuit City that if you aren't using Monster, the actual bits for the data stream have little jags on them that true audiophiles can hear.
I'm sorry to contradict you but the attack of a sound has nothing to do with frequency, at all.
Likewise, I am loath to contradict you, but I believe you don't quite have it right either.
Sound, as reproduced by speakers in this example, can be described as a combination of amplitudes of varying frequencies. If you put the sound through a Fast Fourier Transform, you can visually see the different frequencies which make up what you think of as the sound. A 20 Hz sound is going to have a slope which is, by definition, constrained by the shape of a 20-Hz sine wave. If the attack of the sound is faster than the slope of that line, that difference is made up by another sine wave (or waves) of higher frequencies, the sum of which add up to the resultant sine wave. A FFT ('an fft?') will show the components of the sound graphically, here is one example. If you took an FFT of, say, a cannon blast, you'd see the low frequency component you expect, but the initial attack would show up as a higher frequency component which is, in this case, handled by the non-subwoofer speakers.
In other words, to get the A of the ADSR to the slope necessary, higher frequencies have to be added to the low frequency to get there. A fast attack, by definition, has to come from higher frequency sounds; it's the only way to get the sum from one place to another quickly.
I enjoy visiting my audiophile friends and casually mentioning that whatever song is playing sounds a little clipped in the high end.
Then I go hit on the wife while the guy spends an hour fiddling with the dials and sliders.
Purity. Negative feedback is never quite phase coherent with initial signal, you get filtering effects and so on. AFAIR, Bob Carver's wonderful Phase Linear power ampflifiers ran on a similar principal - they sounded terrific, which is why Pink FLoyd's techs chose them as PA power for the Wall tour 25 years ago. We did an A-B test blindfold between these and some MOSFET power amps years ago - and could tell the difference in a matter of seconds. The Phasies won hands down, of course.
f you don't want to hear the room, use headphones!
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Heh, um... if you are in a recording situation... the only use headphones have is for tracking/monitoring. Doing a mix or mastering using headphones? Um, no. Not in a million years
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32 foot pipes are the largest commonly found, and even then only on very large instruemts. A 64' pitched rank is exceedingly rare. The only instrument I'm aware of (in the US) with real 64' pipes is the one at the Atlantic City Convention Hall (website: http://www.acchos.org/ ).
The Washington National Cathedral, in DC, has a 64' pitched rank, but if I recall correctly it's electronic (using speakers), not with actual 64' long lengths of pipe.
Bear in mind, a 32' pitch C is already below 20Hz, well below what most people can hear. A 64' pitch is more of an impressive "special effect" than anything else.
Actually, if anyone else can cite another pipe organ with a 64' pitch (US or otherwise), I'd love to hear about it, so I could hear that monster!
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