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Universal Nerd writes "Could Real be its own downfall? According to 'Find the Download in a Haystack', it could be. The difficulty folks have in reaching the free version of RealPlayer is forcing Minnesota Public Radio to look towards Windows Media Player as an alternative. I prefer good old MP3 or OGG streaming like the feeds offered at WCPE but I'm sure no 'serious' company would consider it because they don't have their digital rights preserved." See the CarTalk story from yesterday.
It plays Real files, and if you download the K-Lite Mega Codec Pack, everything else too (Quicktime, Divx, Ogg, etc.).
It also includes Media Player Classic, which is a very nice player that picks up where Windows Media Player 6 left off.
From a Mac perspective, the RealOne player is pretty darn good. It's small, attractive, and doesn't annoy with meaningless popups and advertising. I'm thrilled that CarTalk is switching back - their Windows Media files wouldn't even play last week.
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I believe that it has been more complicated in the past, but it's not particularly difficult (unlike searching Slashdot for a particular story).
The most pertinent point is the Real-NPR deal. If the clickthrough for public radio listeners is making a free download difficult, then NPR has a legitimate complaint. Their users want a convenient and inexpensive way to access content. If Real can't accomodate, then screw them.
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They got the message on the download, anyway. I can get an .exe for the free version only two clicks from the front page.
1. Big, orange "Download RealPlayer" button
2. Little blue text link in the lower right
Voila!
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about video streaming, Real is about the best one can get. The quality is less than average, but it comes at ridiculously low amounts of bandwidth. A 1.5h show compressed to 100M, in quality that is still acceptable, full 15-min cartoons that fit in some 10M files, this is what I haven't seen elsewhere. I'd hate to see Real be gone.
In the other hand, Real could go open-source with all their client software and provide their existing infrastructure to host some web TV and radio stations, for a fee. This could encourage many people to accept RealMedia as a standard, seriously extending Real's market share, while not killing their profit.
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After hearing all the bad things about downloading real player, I decided just now to start the download process of the free version to see how bad the website actualy was.
I went to the website and glanced around for about 5 seconds, then clicked the link that said download. The next page was slightly confusing for about three seconds, before i saw the segment that said 'download free version'. Clicked that, then started my download.
No problem for me.
And that makes it spyware how exactly? Spyware captures personal information about you our your computer usage and transmits it back to a third party. Most software updates just query some type of a file to see what the current software version/build number is. If the two don't match, offer the person a chance to update. Nothing nefarious, but then again I don't wear a foil hat.
BTW: Disabling the updates is easy as going into the preference, changing to update manually and disable update notification on startup.
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Get Streambox VCR
Get Streambox Ripper
(you'll find both on P2P networks, although Real successfully sued to have both products crippled or killed)
Download and convert to your favorite format
Don't forget to share!
The Helix player (which is somehow subsidiary to Real) handles RealPlayer 10 files and is open source. Here is a link to their web page.
Linky: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/audiohelp.shtml?help
You get an ad-free, nag-free, spyware-free version of Real Player, thanks to the good old BBC and their unique deal with Real.
Because the BBC is publicly funded, it couldn't justify using a third-party app that pesters BBC licence fee payers for more money - so they threatened to pull out of the Real deal (pardon the pun) if real didn't offer a nag-free version of the player.
We got an interesting thread here ...Yes. What's wrong with that? I kick off the download at say 10:00pm -when I don't want any calls anyway and it finshes by 7:00am or 8:00am, again when I don't want any phone calls.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that it would be easier for me to have a file locally playing instead of having to deal with the "BUFFERING" issue.
There is a Windows Media Player for Mac OS X and 9 that, like its RealPlayer for OS X counterpart, has few annoying "features' that appear in their Windows counterparts. Generally speaking, Mac users can use the streams from the major sites like NPR unless the streaming site has intentionally identified the Macintosh browser or player and refuses access, whether the stream is compatible or not.
WMP for Mac's streaming ability works fine. But this player, unlike the one built-in with Windows, only plays WMA streams and files, and lacks the iTunes-ish MP3 player features.
Of course, aside from the free RealPlayer (which, if you look at this link on a Mac browser that IDs itself as a Mac browser shows a simple link in the right corner to the free RealPlayer), there is QuickTime, which also plays streams well, but there are few sites that use it (one is Cartoon Network's Star Wars: Clone Wars site).
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I went to real.com.
Click on the "Download RealPlayer" image
Click on "Download Free RealPlayer" link on the right
The download starts right up without asking for any other info
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A senior engineer from Real explains how to get RealPlayer 10 to act nicely on one's system. I followed the instructions, and it works quite nicely. However, if one has Real Alternative installed previously, one has to remove it completely using instructions found further down the page.
At the first nastygram from any big patent-wielding corporation, MPlayer's going bye-bye. As far as I'm concerned, thanks to our pal the DMCA, it's just another DeCSS waiting to happen.
Um, you do know that Mplayer is made by a merry band of coders from Hungary, don't you? They have a great deal less regard for US copyright concerns than Norway.
I share some of your concerns but I don't think this is one we really need to worry about. In fact if by some perversion of nature, law and justice F/OSS were to be banned in this country it would move to places like Hungary and Taiwan, and flourish there. And yes, it would make criminals out of a lot of us.
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I refuse to install Real's player software on any of my computers for these reasons. It kind of sucks when I go to a site and Real Player is the only option for viewing their content. But I will not budge. Sometimes if I have time I send a letter to the webmaster requesting other formats (Like Quicktime) but usually I just get mad at Real and go about my business.
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And what the heck did it do exactly? I've installed the k-lite mega codec pack on no less than 10 computers, and NEVER had a problem. In fact, I carry it on my USB keychain drive, just in case.
It's a very convenient way to get the most used codecs and even some of the more obscure ones.
No kidding! Real is some of the most annoying software in existence, which is why I don't feel sorry for them losing to Microsoft. I occasionally install Real, but always grudgingly. I'd prefer nearly any other format (even Quicktime with its kludgy installer and tendency to hijack).
Amazing magic tricks
You can always use the reserved (and therefore hopefully nullrouted) example.com domains as described in RFC 2606, eg info@example.com
That is complete bullshit.
Read this.
Memo's from people that use to work at Real or still work there. In one of them, she says the bbc player is exactly the same as the other one.
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
You should use someone@example.com instead. Whoever gets stuck with me.com is going to be pissed at all the spam they get. :-)
I was just mulling over the thought of installing the new Real Player to see if they got over the insane tentacleware complex they seem to have given RP9. According to the reviews on download.com, apparently not. Looks like it'll continue to be Real Alternative for me!
-R
Please call or e-mail Minnesota Public Radio, and let them know why you think an open format should be used for streaming content. Here's some reasons I can think of:
* It's pulbic radio, it's funded by taxpayers and supporters, so it's a public resource. All the content should be freely available using open standards
* Open standards like MP3 are supported by the most applications
* Open standards like MP3 are best supported across platforms
* Free software can be used to implement streaming
* They will support the good will of the technically astute in their audience, who are also a source of funding
* Any other good ideas? Here's the contact info, from their web site:
EMAIL
mail@mpr.org
TELEPHONE
General Inquiries: 651-290-1212 or 800-228-7123
An MPR Member/Listener Services associate will answer your call between 8:30 am and 5 pm CT Monday-Friday. Beyond those hours, you may leave a message and your call will be returned within two business days.
MPR Newsroom line: 651-290-1424
News releases may be faxed to the newsroom at 651-290-1295. News tips may be e-mailed to newsroom@mpr.org. E-mail addresses for individual reporters may be found on the newsroom look-up page.
Midmorning or Midday call-in shows: 651-227-6000 or 800-242-2828
We are not able to include emails to shows in progress. If you would like to leave comments for Midmorning, call 651-290-1171.
MAIL
MPR Member/Listener Services
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MEDIA INQUIRIES
Andrea Matthews, 651-290-1303 or amatthews@mpr.org
Suzanne Perry, 651-290-1276 or sperry@mpr.org
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The RealMedia server is avialable in a limited stream use as a free download. As far as propriatary streaming media goes, well, atleast they're cross platform. I agree that nothing beats a streaming ogg/mp3 site for radio/music/audible-content in general, but until business realize they won't get anymore screwed that route than another (as far as preserving IP rights) we won't really see adoption of these uncrippled standards. Besides you can always rip and convert a real stream, it is possible. I'd be sad to see Real go, you have to give them credit for being the first to give us streaming audio of any real quality, and other than there pushing sales attitudes toward their commerical alternatives to there software, I can't find much to fault them for.
the problem isn't that much of that it isn't available. It's just that there's these 3 honking big pics yelling at you "FREE DOWNLOAD 14 DAY TRIAL", It's just confusing because none of those big free download signs take you to download the actual free version, it's the small light gray(against white background) "free realone player" link that takes you to the page that gives you 2 choices(get our BEST player, which costs, or our free player), after you choose the free one you get to a page that asks which mirror you want(and hey, that free version of the player is annoying as hell as well! you see, the confusion and smoke and mirros don't stop at just getting the download - it's annoying all the way to the day you uninstall it).
the download is findable if you're patient and know how the real psyche works, but if you've never been to the pages before you're probably tricked into wasting some serious time on the pseudo-free download(that asks all information about you).
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
actually, version 10 has opt-out settings in the preferences for message center, so you wont see it again. you can also disable auto-update, so you wont get those "random notices that a new version of Real is available."
While we're at it, where is the download for a free version for Sun Solaris?
/tmp and reentering it from a menu) usually don't work anymore.
The last one I was able to find was 6.0.4.216 (Beta), on their "community supported" subsection, which I installed in May of 1999.
Darned thing doesn't support most of the stream casting sites these days, and even the workarounds that used to work (digging the URL out of the file droppings in
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Multicast? Are you sure? For this to be advantageous, basically everyone has to watch the stream at the same time. To stream to different users at different times (which is usually the case) then you're basically talking about unicast again, which is the current model.
For live broadcast audio, that's exactly what you want.
This "only 3425 clicks away from the home page" stuff is baloney. Why not use http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=slashdot ?
Visit example.com, read the RFC referenced there, and be enlightened.
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mplayer -ao pcm followed by sox is also very nice for converting a given real audio stream to an .ogg. I like to do it in a cron script to time shift and archive my favorite radio shows.
...match any documents.
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You sure?
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&i
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Er, remove the quotes. I put the query in quotes to separate it from the rest of the text. My mistake.
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the acrobat reader ... does what it is supposed to and nothing more
I wouldn't say that Acrobat reader does only what it's supposed to do. It's one hell of a resource hog. Upgrading from Acrobat 5, I find that 6 takes approximately 3X the time to load because of all of the default (read: useless) plugins.
Fortunately, you can disable most of the unused features and get it almost as fast as previous versions.