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Scuba-Doo Underwater Scooter

hawado writes "Just when you thought it was safe to go in the water, 'Fans of the Segway scooter now have a way to look just as silly traveling underwater as they do on land thanks to the efforts of an inventive Australian company.' 'The Scuba-Doo comes with everything you would want in a submerged Segway.' I just don't know what to say, but I am sure all you /.rs will have some really great comments. The company's web site can be found here."

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  1. Not for Everybody, or is it? by pholower · · Score: 4, Interesting
    At nearly $14,000, I don't see this catching on to the independent consumer. Mostly just recreation dive companies, and resorts. I like the idea, however, the battery lasts 1.5 hours, and the air only lasts 1 hour. I think I would like the air to last longer than the battery, you know, just in case something catastrophic happens.

    Also, I worry about the company's legitimacy, have you been to their website. That is the worst photoshop work I have ever seen. Plus, they repeat what is on the front page on all of the their pages. Which, if you were counting, for individuals like myself, is only 3 pages total. I WANT MORE INFORMATION

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    1. Re:Not for Everybody, or is it? by vivian · · Score: 4, Informative

      The real problem is that at 10 meters you dont want to be staying under water for anything more than about 60 minutes, due to nitrogen build up. You are still breathing pressurised air, as you do in scuba - it is not a pressure vessel like a submarine where you are breathing atmospheric pressure. Therefore you will be subject to the same dangers and limitations that a scuba diver faces. A dive computer can track the nitrogen better and gove you longer (and more exact) dive times, but the safety margin is then reduced. A 15 meter dive would rarely be longer than 45 min. 30 meter dive: 20 min or so, depending on your exact dive profile.

      Here are the dangers facing both a scuba diver and a scuba-doo pilot:

      1) Nitrogen buildup, which limits the duration and depth of a dive. Even with unlimited air, you have this problem as your tissues become saturated with nitrogen. The deeper you go, the faster you absorb nitrogen ( because the partial pressure of nitrogen is greaer). if you get too much, it is no longer posible to come up to the surface in case of an emergency, or you will get the bends. If you get too much nitrogen in your system, you effectively have a "ceiling" over your head that you cant go through, and you might as well be diving in a cave or something. Recreational diving tables are designed so that this never happens. (ie. you never have to do a decompression stop)
      although usually you do a 3 minute "safety stop" at 5 meters to reduce this danger still more.

      2) below about 18 meters, you will start to get the effects of Nitrogen Narcosis. This effectively is like having a couple of beers or a spliff or something, and affects both your judgement and motor skills. When I did my rescue diver course, I had this demonstrated to me with an excercise:
      Do some simple calcs on a slate just under the surface, and again at 18 and 30 meters. It took twice as long to do calculations at 18 meters compared to just under the surface. The deeper you go the worse the problem gets, and if you are not experienced with it it's easy to go dancing with the mermaids or go chasing those pretty alien lights down the abyss.

      3) It is still possible to get air embolisms if you hold your breath as you are surfacing. If you are holding 1 litre of air in your lungs at 20 meters will become 2 litres of air at 10 meters and 4 litres at the surface.

      That's why divers spend time in a classroom - not to learn how to put on their fins or something, but how to survive when in a totally alien environment. This training shouldnt be skipped, as all the same risks still exist.

      The dangers, especially the air embolism ones are still there even between 0 to 10 meters. infact, the airembolism ones are greater in this depth range, because the pressure(and hence volume) changes so rapidly over the short distance. At greater depths, say for going from 40 to 30 meters, the volume change is only about 20% (ie. 5 atm -> 4 atm) instead of 100% (ie. 2 atm -> 1 atm).

      Oh, and by the way, the Scuba-doo factory is just up the road from my house. The things look a bit like those BMW scooters that have an enclosed canopy.

    2. Re:Not for Everybody, or is it? by XorNand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At the depth these things are designed to be used nitrogen narcosis isn't going to be an issue.

      Having said that, anyone who does go to a depth where safety is a concern should already be dive certified and gotten their advice from someplace other than /. That's the whole point of certification.

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    3. Re:Not for Everybody, or is it? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Informative
      I have dived without scuba gear (mask, snorkel and a jumbo flippers only) to 12m (36 ft). Do not remember anything like that.

      If you dive without scuba gear, the problem cannot happen. You cannot have any more air in your lungs than you started with at the surface. Think about it. Your lungs will feel slightly crushed when going down, and expand back to normal size when going up. No problem.

      Incidentally, you cannot have any more nitrogen in your tissue than you started with at the surface either. That's why the guys in Le Grand Bleu were able to go down to a depth of 100 meters, and up again whithin a couple of minutes, without feeling the bends.

      The danger of scuba is that you add air (and nitrogen) to your body while at depth, and this air will expand in your lungs if you go up.

  2. Design Flaw? by fake_name · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't like the way you start to drown as soon as you fall off. :-)

  3. Are these new? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've ridden on very similar underwater skooters like this years ago. They've got these in just about any snorkel/scuba sites that are primarily tourist areas. Hawaii, Micronesia, Polynesia, the Caribbean, etc. all have tourist excursion packages that include riding these things.

    Next week will we be hearing about snuba?

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  4. Right after the site gets slashdotted.... by LGagnon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... you're all free to say "Scuba-Doo, where are you?"

  5. Just wait until... by mcnut · · Score: 4, Funny

    a) someone runs their battery dead and drowns. b) someone runs into something, breaks the seal on the helmet and drowns. c) someone takes it to a depth at which the glass bursts under the pressure and drowns. d) someone gets run into by a frigate,yacht or even a jetski because they are too close to the surface, runs out of battery power whilst they are unconcious and drowns... I just don't see the fun in drowning...

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  6. Picture by gooru · · Score: 4, Funny

    After seeing that picture, I sure want to go buy the product. She just looks so happy, as if she'll suffocate with joy riding this thing.

  7. yeah by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Australia, eh? Swim in the wrong place with this "Scuba-Doo" and a shark'll turn you into a nice "Scuba-Snack".

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  8. Great idea... Except it sucks. by mikemacd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a trained diver I can evaluate the personal risks involved in my sport and decide wether or not to engage in it. I think that this device will encourage untrained people to do things which can end up with them being DEAD or crippled.

    It is too easy to get your eardrums blown in or your lungs burst, or drown unless you've had the appropriate training.

    There are already DPV's (Piver Propulsion Vehicles) on the market for those who dont want to fin their way around the bottom. I think that this product will cause plenty of problems.

  9. Re:Trademark infringement? by Trejkaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ruh-roh!

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  10. Also known as BOB by Isao · · Score: 4, Informative
    As seen and rented here, here, here, etc.

    I've done it - snuba is more fun, but this can be less intimidating for inexperienced people.

  11. all techy, no tech by DiveX · · Score: 4, Informative

    these things have been around for a while, and I think they are a bad idea. I am a current SCUBA instructor as well as a pretty experienced cave and technical diver. There are so many limitations to this thing that makes it completely impractical. Transport is one issue in terms of getting it into and out of the water.

    for one thing, inexperienced pilot will have this hard bodied device with which to crash into delicate coral. this will have to be used in a body of water with typically little current, else it become quite easy to lose the group.

    It cannot go deep for long since it is still open to ambient pressure, so decompression comes into play as well as gas supply. For every 33 feet (10m) one descends, the pressure increases by one atmosphere. If that tank were to last the diver 60 minutes on the surface, then at 33 feet it would last only 30 minutes, at 60 feet it would be 20 minutes, and so forth.

    It might be ok for a few shallow water, shore-based resorts that can charge the units at the dock. Even a fairly cheap diver scooter will be just around 800-1200, and those can only go to about 100-150 feet if you're lucky. In order to go more deep, you have to get more specialized units (www.gavinscooters.com) that can handle the pressure (I've taken mine to 350) and has the battery burn time. Even those units only cost ~$3500. These units are simply torpedo looking devices that tow the diver. The biggest advantage is that it reduces the workload for the diver, thus dropping air consumption and helping one cover more ground.

    This device has no similarities other than someone trying to compare two unlike things with a vague attempt at seeming technologically advanced.

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  12. Well, it was a good idea... by batmanuel · · Score: 5, Funny

    and I'd have made a million from it if not for you meddling kids..I mean /.'ers finding all these flaws.

  13. top-10 list of bad ideas by jdkane · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Their motto should be "Throwing unknowledgable persons into a machine to scoot around a delicate underwater environment." Yes, real smart.

    I once took a diving course, as have others who are reading this. There are a number of things to learn regarding safety. This Scuba-Doo machine obviously tries to handle all that worry for you. However I don't believe an unknowledgable person should be sent underwater just for recreational purpose, even if a machine *may* handle the main safety features automatically. The person will be better off if they learn about their underwater environment (the fundamentals) before attempting to enter it in any way, and how to react properly in certain situations. Save the $14,000 and instead spend a few hundred bucks on a diving course which will provide you with much more enjoyment and hands down give you a safer experience (by way of knowledge).

    This machine is impractical (does not remotely resemble classic diving) because you can only use it in a very basic environment ... and even then it looks like a good reef-destroyer.

  14. Suba facts by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative
    First this is for real, have seen them advertised many places.

    Second when you dive to a depth of 30 to 60 feet or so you can only stay down safely a bit less than an hour or you risk getting the bends (nitrogen saturation of your blood coming out in gass form in your joints and nerves). So the time limit is just fine.

    Third you dont have to be certified to use this. fourth, its failsafe in many ways that scuba is not. The number one danger in scuba is forgetting to exhale when ascending (descending is not dangerous). If you forget to exhale on ascent from 60 feet then when you get to the surface you have a few atmospheres of air in your lungs and they literally explode inside of your body. Since ther is a bubble of air around your head there is no time when you would feel like holding your breath. This machine automatically passively equalizes the air pressure for you as you ascend (your nose is also exposed too).

    Likewise there is no way to suddenly find the tank is empty. when the tank goes empty you still have a head bubbles worth of air left

    One of the little known facts about scuba diving is that if you run out of air then if stay calm you always have enough air in your lungs to swim to the surface from any depth. The reason is that as you go deeper you also have more air in your lungs. You only have to remember to exhale on the way up to let off the excess air pressure.

    this thing is attached to a bouy so you cant sink it or goo to deep go into a cave. And you have a lifeline to the surface if you are disoriented. When you get to the surface you have floatation.

    A final danger in scuba is too rapid of an ascent. when you try to go up your boyancy device will run away from you: as it expands you rise faster leading to further expansion and pretty soon you are apolaris missile broaching the surface as your lungs go "pop". On the scooter it controls this for you.

    On the other hand the joy of scuba diving is the freedom of 3-D orientation. Drift in a current head down. try to use as little effort as possible (e.g dont swim up but instead just control your breathing to control your veritical position). look behind you look all around. This sort of sucks the life out of the sport.

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  15. Oh and one more thing by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I forgot the best safety feature of all. You can puke in it. This is not a joke. With suba if you need to puke then you have to stay calm and puke into your regulator. This takes unbelievable self control to pull off. The alternative, removing it from your mouth as you puke, leads to near certain death since the involuntary inhale after a gag reflex sucks pure seawater into your lungs leading to more gagging and no good way to expel it.

    And believe me in surging seas and murky conditions puking is something you find neccessary. Its not a fun thought.

    but with the bubble, no problemo. Nasty yes. but no though process required and no instant death if you screw up.

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    1. Re:Oh and one more thing by trewornan · · Score: 5, Informative
      With suba if you need to puke then you have to stay calm and puke into your regulator. This takes unbelievable self control to pull off.

      You're joking right ? Puking through a regulator is no harder than puking any other way, and I know from personal experience.

      As an added benefit you would be amazed at how all the beautiful fish swarm round you afterwards.

  16. These vehicles will ultimately HURT the reefs by poopie · · Score: 4, Informative
    Coral reefs and most underwater ecosystems where this contraption could be used are *very* fragile and endangered.

    Have you even seen the damage done by a cruise ship dragging anchor across the ocean floor?

    Have you even seen a 3000+ year old reef destroyed by some offcourse barge?

    Do you know that most of the reefs at popular dive destinations are DYING?

    The last thing we need are a bunch of inexperienced divers crashing these underwater vehicles into table corals, soft corals, and otherwise speeding up the demise of our fragile coral reefs.

    Think I'm exaggeratting?

    Freighter damager 1200ftX200ft swath of Florida reef

    60% of great barrier reef hit by bleaching

    Great barrier reef 50 years from death

    Sewage killing Tobaggo's reef

    Bottom trawling fishing destroys large portions of deep water coral reefs never explored