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Linux in Canada

Flxstr writes "Lots of Linux articles in Canada's national newspaper today, starting with Calgary switching from SUN Unix to Red Hat Linux. Another article discusses whether Linux will become a target for viruses as its popularity grows. This article mentions how Linux costs less, so more firms are becoming interested. Finally, an article discusses how pushes by major vendors such as IBM, HP, and others is speeding acceptance of Linux over other alternatives. Altogether, some good articles for any CIO's desk."

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  1. Viruses spread by stupidity not OS'es. by Jason+Straight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As we all really know viruses are spread by stupidity of users, not the OS'es, so Linux popularity on the desktop will be it's deciding factor to virus targeting.

    As it becomes easier to use and more useful to dumbasses who still open attachments they aren't expecting, it will likely be targeted more by virus writers.

    1. Re:Viruses spread by stupidity not OS'es. by Jason+Straight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, to some extent. I think the distro's and desktop makers are doing a good job making things like rpm and apt usable to non-root users through wrappers. For most people if they had to be root to install software all the time they'll just run as root all the time.

      Many people will be confused by the security model of unix and run as root all the time so they don't have to su to traceroute, make install, etc...

  2. Damn it all by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    According to the Bank of Canada's website US$699 ~= CA$917.79

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  3. A more favourable environment for Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my opinion, Canada is definitely a more favourable environment for Linux. Partly because of less Microsoft influence spreading FUD about it, and partly because they don't develop laws designed specifically to stifle technology like the DMCA and the Patriot act.
    I used to be proud to be an American because of our technological culture ... I'm not proud any more :(

    1. Re:A more favourable environment for Linux by Frymaster · · Score: 5, Interesting
      they don't develop laws designed specifically to stifle technology like the DMCA and the Patriot act.

      or the encryption/munitions legislation... why do you think the openbsd team resides in canada? (calgary in fact... i can see theo's house from my office window right now :))

    2. Re:A more favourable environment for Linux by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft is up here and is just as aggressive in corporate centres as in the US. However, Canada's national government has slightly different objectives than the US government or businesses, and that is a huge opportunity for Linux.

      First off, for national defense or other confidential government affairs, linux would be the logical way to go -- its completely open source. The government could hire a Canadian company to customise and secure a linux kernel for specialised functions. If Canada buys Windows, however, there's no guarantees about security, and lets be honest...I find it perfectly reasonable to assume that there's a nudge-nudge/wink-wink backdoor in microsoft products for the NSA or CIA to leverage if necessary.

      The other issue is languages. French isn't very popular in the US, but about 20% of our population speaks it and we're officially a bilingual country. We also have a whole territory (e.g. think 'province-lite') that is native speaking (Nunavut). When Windows 2000 came out here, the French version was several months behind...and it was more Parisienne French instead of Quebecois French, which was what was promised.

      Finally, I think there's huge savings to get off the 'upgrade now' software assurance lifecycle. For government terminal functions (e.g. get a new driver's license) baseline it, secure it, and let it run for 10 years. No need to refresh you hardware and software every 3 years. Hell, refresh every 5 years and you've increased your equity by 40%.

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    3. Re:A more favourable environment for Linux by Sepper · · Score: 4, Interesting

      and it was more Parisienne French instead of Quebecois French, which was what was promised.

      So true... don't know how much time I lost because the french Windows install default to AZERTY instead of QWERTY keyboard...

      "Dammit, Where was the 'M' Key again?"

      The devil is in the details

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  4. More viruses for Linux? by MBAFK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if this is teh case I think the bigger problem will be when we have more Joe Blogs users who surf the internet as root. I see a lot of n00bs doing it and we always try and talk them round.

    Even with the distro installers creating a normal acount its still worryinglt common. Run as root and you are more likely to be pwned in a nasty way.

  5. /me blushes. by benow · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not only is the city now run on linux, but the Light Rail Transit system is powered by wind power. Go Calgary (about time they did something to balance all the non-renewable promotion coming from this town). Now, they just need to move the University away from Sun.

    A (Mostly) Proud Calgarian.

  6. "Canada's national newspaper?" by handslikesnakes · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have more than one, you know.

    1. Re:"Canada's national newspaper?" by saforrest · · Score: 4, Funny

      We have more than one, you know.

      I'm guessing the poster is from Toronto.

  7. Less monoculture by Coryoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows is also more standardized than Linux, Mr. Friedrichs says. There are a number of distributions of Linux from different vendors, with differences significant enough that a virus or worm designed for one won't necessarily have the same effect on all the others. That fragmentation is a good thing when it comes to discouraging virus writers who want their work to have the maximum impact.

    There's another advantage that they don't mention. Linux plays nicely with the BSDs, Solaris, OS X, and most other operating systems, so it really is easier to have a diverse environment - not just diverse distributions, but diverse operating systems and architectures.

    Yes, Windows will work okay on a heterogenous network, but it doesn't really like it much. Compared to the shared UNIX foundations of Linux, OS X and BSD it is much easier to have all of them happily running side by side on the network sharing resources. Linux or Solaris workstations for the research division, Macs for the designers, Linux and/or BSD for the servers, developers get to choose their platform... and maybe even a nice pretty GNOME or KDE desktop for the paper pushers.

    Jedidiah.

    1. Re:Less monoculture by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Linux plays nicely with the BSDs, Solaris, OS X, and most other operating systems

      I was off work, ill, and working from home (I'm a web-developer - SunONE-ASP on Raq boxes) and needed my girlfriend's XP laptop to talk to my server. Normally that's no problem - server runs Samba. But I didn't have SunONE ASP, so I had to use Microsoft IIS ASP (the server's dual-boot). Could I get a Windows XP laptop to talk to a Windows 2000 server? Could I hell! Now I accept I'm not the most capable Windows admin, but c'mon! How hard can it be!

      Moral: Linux plays nice with other operating systems. Windows barely gets along with earlier versions of Windows.

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    2. Re:Less monoculture by xutopia · · Score: 4, Funny

      you don't get it. Microsoft makes sure that viruses work between Windows versions, not essential business programs.

  8. virus-targeting, and the cause of the problem by perlchild · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About those viruses becoming more prevalent...
    Can someone balance that FUD with equivalent numbers from MacOS X?? It's a lot more popular than Linux, and both haven't been plagued with viruses(yet) in widely publicised numbers.
    The bit about multi-user was nice, but user-education about the benefits of proper privilege separation is very low, and needs to be addressed by those people who think changing OSes is a solution to the social problem of viruses. Of course, a lot of CIOs would rather use viruses to justify spending half a mil to change servers, than 10000$ on training... Even on equivalent returns...
    That's also a social factor.

  9. Re:'Canada's national newspaper' !?!?! by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now now, very few Canadians actually hate Americans. Many joke, but few hate.

    Not only do we have more than one newspaper, we are also proud to announce that we have more than one telephone, as well as more than one automobile!

  10. Viruses on Linux? Yeah, right. by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It takes user stupidity to infect a Linux box with a virus, namely because you _don't run as root_ unless it's necessary (su, please) and no code is therefore fully trusted. Therefore, it takes an idiot running as root, _multiple_ steps thanks to the encrypted archive files), and a Linux port of a virus to infect a Linux box.

    With Windows, it's open, input password, extract, run. Wow. You're boned. Simple, ain't it?

    Linux is secure simply because no one runs as root for daily work. Those who do are either idiots or have _really_ strong bowels.

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  11. Something is wrong here by mkro · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the "virus" article:
    Alec Taylor, senior manager of platform strategy at Microsoft Canada Co. in Mississauga, agrees Linux is likely to get more of the kind of unwanted attention Windows has had from virus writers. "It's a challenge that we all face and we're all targets in the software industry," Mr. Taylor says.
    ... and that was it. That is the end of the Microsoft quote. Wtf? No mention of communism? No "Yeah, but the TCO of a virus attack is larger on Linux"? I'm speechless. Mr Taylor can probably expect a phonecall from Mr. Balmer tonight.
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  12. Advanced IT by andawyr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A few years ago (10?) the Alberta government started to move the primary focus of Alberta business away from the Oil patch. At that point in time, Alberta was sort of a one-trick pony - most of the head offices for the Oil industry were here (and situated in Calgary), with a large number of the smaller businesses supporting the larger (fewer) oil companies.

    If the Oil economy went down, so did the rest of Alberta. Bad.

    Over the past 10 years, business diversity has increased a tremendous amount; the oil industry is still a large part of our economy, but not so large that we'd be hammered to death if the price of oil dropped substantially. It would hurt, but much less than it would have 10 years ago.

    Part of the reason for this success is the high level of technology in this province. Calgary especially is very high tech, and this latest story just enforces that point. Businesses tend to move fairly quickly here, and are able to take advantages of the benefits of newer technology.

    Through the use of and research into technology, Calgary is both a very good place to work and live.

  13. Virus' Due to install base?!? by fritz1968 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mr. Friedrichs says the majority of viruses and worms today are aimed at Windows, because of its large installed base. Threats that target Windows also tend to have more impact and get more publicity than those aimed at Linux, because there are so many Windows-equipped computers for them to affect, he says.

    From what I have read and understand, the install base has nothing to do with it (or very little at least). The problem is that MS software is so easy to crack.

    For example, MS Exchange has roughly a 85 million install base. That email system has been hit hard over the past several years. Lotus Notes has not been hit nearly as hard (if at all) during the same time frame. If install base had anything to do with it, then one would assume that Lotus Notes has a substantially lower install base than MS Exchange. The fact is that Lotus Notes has a comparable install base (of roughly 90 million).

    It's the insecure software that is the problem, people!

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