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Suicide Caught on Surveillance Tape Appears Online
Jason writes "Reuters reports (and News.com mirrors) that the video of a man who shot himself after his girlfriend broke up with him has appeared online under the heading of 'Introducing: The Self-Cleansing Housing Projects.' It goes on to say that the police officers receive no training to deal with privacy issues."
So what's the big deal? The Faces of Death commercial videos have featured stuff like that for years.
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Why would they name it [Introducing: The Self-Cleansing Housing Projects.]?
I read the article (both actually -- sorry!). It seems that at least one of the websites that host(ed) the video has a racist leaning. And, presumably, they're trying to make a metaphor about young aspiring rap stars (or blacks in general if you prefer) to the effect that they are "trash" that needs to be cleaned from housing projects (as in be removed or killed).
Since this young man killed himself in the housing project of which he was a part (in a sense, since he lived there), according to the metaphor describe above, the housing project in question "cleaned" itself by removing (killing) this "trash".
Mods please note that those are not my sentiments in any way. I am just trying to help the parent understand the (apparently racist) footage title.
everything in moderation
1. I was thinking closer to Penny Lane. Who names their male child 'Paris' anyway?
Priam, maybe?
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Yeah, right.
Actually, people do seem to interested in seeing this stuff. That's why Ogrish exists. And no, I don't enjoy seeing it or even ever visit the site. But, for those crazy folk that like it, there's a place for them. That's all I'm saying.
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1. Vince Foster committed suicide outside at a public park and the government was allowed to withhold photos. The Supreme Court unaminously ruled that the right to privacy attached to family even if the person in the photos is dead. Justice Kennedy wrote, "Family members have a personal stake in honoring and mourning their dead and objecting to unwarranted public exploitation that, by intruding upon their own grief, tends to degrade the rites and respect they seek to accord to the deceased person who was once their own."
If a private individual took photos or otherwise recorded the incident, they may not be bound by the same rules as the government. However, the police probably couldn't have released the suicide video nor could have the public housing authorities since they are publicly funded.
If there were no privacy for deceased individuals or their family, sick fucks could get photos of their (or other criminal's) victims from through the Freedom of Information Act.
IAAL but this is not legal advice.
Congratulations, you're a moron.
I think you're refering to We by Yevgeny Zamyatin
How about just a kitty-kat instead?
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Nobody cries for the children when they show (real) trauma patients' injuries (bones sticking out!) and surgeries on television. Why should deaths be any different?
All those people survive to sign a release form.
You mean like this:
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http://www.insecurities.org/library/suicide.htm
I'd rather you do it wrong, than for me to have to do it at all.
He's right, that was messed up. And talk about public! I think this Paris guy lost any titular "Right to Privacy" by committing suicide in a public place, but the Bud Dwyer incident set the standard both for sheer nastyness and public dissemination. Hard to get worse than blowing your head off on tv, during the news.
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Back in the days before half the world knew the internet existed, there used to be a website that was chock full of this stuff. I think it was called the "Death Museum"
They listed photos and videos of famous suicides, grotesque battlefields, and gruesome accidents.
They even claimed to have a photo of Kurt Cobain post-shotgun. Not that there was really much left to confirm it with.
http://chrismetcalf.net
Public housing has nothing to do with "acts performed in public". Is the bedroom in a public housing unit also a place where "acts [are] performed in public" and therefore confer no right of privacy? Or are you arguing that anyone that dies (under whatever circumstance) in a public place has no right to privacy?
"Their job is to capture criminals, not ensure their privacy."
Funny... I thought their job was to enforce the law, even the boring parts of law that don't deal with kicking in doors and hadcuffing felons.
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First: I am not posting this link to encourage people to pursue obscene material - or to increase traffic for the website that hosted the suicide video.
e tail.asp?id=617&page=1
Second: The original video has already been taken down. As is usually the case with a news story like this, the story had already been around for a short while before it reached the major news services.
So here's the link to the site that originally posted the now infamous suicide video:
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/
Consumption Junction is not a normal porn site. They host videos like the suicide one all the time. Car wrecks, riots, people getting hurt/killed are common fare for their photos and videos sections.
Basically, this is just one of those websites that anything goes. They're primarily considered pornographic because of all the porn ads that bring them revenue. They've received a lot of attention for obscene material in the past, much the way that other sites like rotten.com have.
Think of them as rotten.com with lots of pr0n and less of a conscience. Here's what one of the consumptionjunction.com staffers had to say about the whole incident:
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/home_d
Yeah, the band "Filter" had a song called "Hey, Man Nice Shot" that was about this incident. I had thought that they used that footage in the video for the song, but from searching now online, I don't think that's the case (anyone know?).
I'd rather be lucky than good.
Such liability is an empty threat. You might study a little law before making such statements. One of the prerequisites for such a liability is a specific duty that google owes you, or some consideration you paid for their specific performance. Since neither exists, then your claim of potential liability is, well, without merit.
Google, a private business, offers you a free service. Use it or don't. But do not claim that they owe you specific results (suppressed or not).
The song was on the album "Short Bus". It was indeed about the Bud Dwyer suicide, but they didn't use footage in the video. Thank God.
If my answers frighten you, stop asking scary questions.
Why isn't it the same for marijuana? Both substances can be just as dangerous.
That's not even true.
Alcohol is far more dangerous.
Alcohol doesn't even grow on plants, unlike "Hemp For Victory".
No, Americans don't eat cats because we have always had a steady supply of much larger animals (bison, cows, deer, etc.) to eat.
'Standards' in computing only impress those who are impressed by things like 'standards'.
There's more than one. The one you mention (I think) is a closeup as they stick a knife in his throat, while he is lying on the ground (probably held there), then let him bleed out.
The other is one where a soldier is sitting on the ground, held at bay. He is taunted by being shot in the arm by his captors. Then, one guy goes over and stands astride over him, and starts to saw off his head, first cutting his throat but continuing until he gets to the vertebrae, and eventually decapitating him (and displaying the head). The soldier was injured, and slow to react to the cutting, which makes it all a bit surreal.
They are both sickening, but the second is even more disturbing (IMO), due to its length, and the taunting slow buildup.
Do I recommend watching them? No, not really. An yet, no amount of movie violence, no matter how "authentic" looking (and I have seen plenty) has ever come close to haunting me like videos, or forced me to mourn the sad lives and ends of people I never knew.
Close, but no smoking thingy.
Yeah, if you read further down the thread (luckily the video didn't load for me, not something I really want to see) There are tons of racist comments about how more "darkies" should do this.
Quite a disgusting display of the dark side of human nature.
Are you a lawyer? Law student at least? It is quite possible that there is law that would show such duty exists (copyright, trademark, obscenity, DMCA, contributory infringement), and that the fact that they have in the past suppressed results at the behest of a corporation, government, or what not would put them in a position of liability. Claiming that all the complex issues that could intertwine to provide a convincing theory of liability could not possibly exist is naive. If you're not a lawyer, your exhortation to "study a little law" is, well, without merit.