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Overseas Crooks Abuse TTY Phone Service

Rick Zeman writes "The Arizona Daily Star is reporting on how 419 scammers and credit card thieves are abusing the US' TTY service which enables hearing-impaired citizens to make phone calls with the help of an intermediary operator. 'The callers try to use stolen credit-card numbers to make big purchases of merchandise from American companies. The operators often suspect fraud, but they can't just hang up. Federal rules require them to make the calls and keep the contents strictly confidential.' Yes, Virginia, they have no shame...."

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  1. No authentication leads to abuse... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anything that's totally given away for free meant to help a certain segment of society should at least seek proof that the person taking advantage of the service is a member of that segment of society.

    No government in the USA hands out handcapped parking permits to everyone who asks. There's a documentation process to certify that one is entitled to it. Sure, that process sometimes gets fooled into giving a permit to somebody not entitled to it, but as least there's a paper trail created by such a fraud that can be followed once it is discovered.

    Free TTY services be allowed to issue usernames and passwords to their customers, keep text logs of the conversations, and able to revoke the access of those who abuse their accounts. Basically, the laws that are requiring them to be open are also regulating this service to its death. This needs to be fixed quick.

    1. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by Unnngh! · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I did a quick googling and found some statistics:

      http://www.access-board.gov/telecomm/marketrep/app endices/ttyvm.htm

      That's 200000-700000 people using an older type of tty terminal. Maintaining a database and logs for this many users alone is a fair-sized task, and the offices are distributed nationwide.

      I'm afraid a cost-benefit analysis would reveal that it's (currently) cheaper to let the scammers scam:(

    2. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by BlewScreen · · Score: 4, Insightful
      keep text logs of the conversations, and able to revoke the access of those who abuse their accounts.

      You can't be serious... Would you advocate keeping a log of every voice call as well, and revoking phone service from those who "abuse their accounts"???

      Who's going to define "abuse"? Can a TTY user have phone sex, or is this something the deaf shouldn't be allowed to access?

      -bs

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    3. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by 77Punker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Credit card companies should handle credit scams; that's how they do it for non-TTY credit scammers.

    4. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Insightful? Last I checked, phone sex was not illegal whereas credit card and wire fraud are.

      I do, however, agree that logging calls is a very, very Bad Thing to do. The companies being scammed need to have safeguards in place to make sure they can not only recognize problems, but go back and figure out what happened, who did it, and where they are with the help of law enforcement.

      TTY ops are intermediaries. Their job is not to protect companies on one side of the line from fraud and vice versa. They are there to channel information, not concern themselves with its content.

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    5. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We don't give the disabled access to everything. Case in point: you do not see wheel chair bound workers placing the I beams of skyscrappers.

      We provide the disabled access where it is feasible. I know many hard of hearing (and a few deaf) people, and the majority are otherwise normal smart people. They can function in society with just a little help. Now I have a choice: I can give them money for food each day, or I can pay for a few things like TTY operators and let them then earn their living. The latter is cheaper, and gets beggars off the streets. (I prefer to leave that room for musicans who provide me a service in return for my money)

      Now there are also those who are deaf because of mental problems. That is a different situation. I'd prefer them off the streets though, (They would freeze in our winters) and most in limited ways are interesting people. We support them because it is the right thing. We give them TTY because it is not only cheaper than supporting them right out, but it lets them do something useful.

    6. Re:No authentication leads to abuse... by Buran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've seen some suggestions here that look good, like requiring a note from an audiologist (mine would happily write a note for any service I did require) as is the case for handicapped parking placards/plates. It certainly would make sense to implement some such thing.

      Blind people and drivers licenses aren't quite the same as TTY services or closed captioning. If someone doesn't use TTY correctly or is deaf and doesn't use captioning, no one gets hurt -- but a person who can't see well enough to operate a car could hurt not only themselves but others, so the requirements are more strict. There are jobs I can't do (911 operator, for instance) because my disability could get someone hurt, and I recognize the necessity of the restrictions.

  2. No different by JanneM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this different from the same scammers calling people with the same pitch?

    I would be a lot more worried about the idea of an outside party filtering my incoming calls without any control from me.

    More specifically, it is hard to have fun with phone salesmen or religious door-knockers once they learn to avoid you. :)

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    1. Re:No different by BCW2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that most small business owners have a concience and will bend over backwards to help someone they think is disabled. Then they get caught in the scam and lose.

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    2. Re:No different by twbecker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The crime itself is the same but it's much harder for the retailer to be suspicious of an American operator who isn't speaking improper English with a heavy accent of some sort.

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  3. playing by the rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This only proves that playing by the rules is not
    for everyone, be they terrorists, scammers or
    script kiddies.

    It takes a lot of work to make something, abuse
    or destruction is so much easier.

  4. Log today, spam tomorrow (or worse) by starsong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    keep text logs of the conversations

    This one doesn't make sense to me. Do the people who issue handicapped parking permits keep a list of the places people park? These conversations are often intensely personal; it's literally the only way some of these people can use a telephone. I agree completely with authentication, but keeping records seems intrusive and demeaning. And if they are kept, sooner or later the deaf will start getting "targeted" TTY advertisements...

    "You recently mentioned to your mother that you're thinking of moving. Contact Local Realtors Inc for a free consulation!", etc.

    To say nothing of the legal implications; a warrentless wiretap on thousands of American phones, always running, in plain-text, east-to-search format.

  5. ofcourse by Wouter+Van+Hemel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Last year I had to track down some carders operating from the US, who were trying to buy products here in Europe with stolen and/or generated credit card numbers. It makes sense to pull that stunt with people (read: jurisdiction) far from your own home...

    You know how difficult (and expensive) it is to both track down the people and get a conviction? Laws are made on a national level, institutions such as police and justice departements are also pretty much bound to their specific country (unless you just act as if you own the world), hence international crime has little or no resistance. I mean, why would you care if the crime has been committed elsewhere?...

    Same with spam, really. Most spam I receive comes from scumbags on US soil, and it's pretty hard to harm them from here. As opposed to local spammers: a friend of mine once made a real-life visit when he received a spam email from a company not far from where he lives. He didn't get any spam anymore from that company.

    That might be a viable solution to the spam problem anyway: just a global team-up of people willing to visit spammers living close to their own home. I'm not implying a violent posse here. Even a criminal would get a clue when there's suddenly a bunch of very pissed off people in front of his/her door.

  6. Simple Fix... by zulux · · Score: 2, Insightful



    Here's a simple fix:

    Change the TTY/Realy number to a 1-900 numner and charge calls from whereever ther're made. Say $1.00 a minuite.

    Then every month - Registered and bonified deaf people can submit a copy of their telephone invoice to the Federal Government and get a refund check for the amount used.

    People who abuse the system without being daaf get to pay for it - deaf people get this vital service for free.

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    1. Re:Simple Fix... by elmegil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some variation of this may be workable but I see two big problems as stated: 1) it requires all Deaf to register. Imagine if you were talking about Japanese, or African American, or Gun Owners instead... 2) not all Deaf are going to be able to put the money up front, especially if for some reason they have an especially heavy call volume (say a death in the family, or whatever). Imagine if you had to do this for your phone bill, paying the phone company in advance for what you might use and then getting refunds....

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  7. Easy solution? by rjelks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't the merchants just require the 3-digit security code on the back of the credit cards , if they're losing money?

  8. Re:We've gotten this by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there's any people who genuinely use the service...sorry, we just can't afford to spend hours wading through these phone calls to get to you.

    Thankfully, legitimate deaf people can use the internet to make their orders, a lot quicker I would guess.

  9. Big money maker for companies providing relay by yarrick · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But Internet relay service makes up a minuscule fraction of revenues for Sprint, said company spokesman Steve Lunceford.

    "It's not a financial thing for us," he said.

    That's totally false. I used to work for an internet relay company as a relay operator (*cough* begins with an M ends with an I *cough*). Here's the plain and simple facts of it:

    Relay companies get paid XX amount of dollars per day, assuming they can meet a certain service level. They have to answer calls queued into their system within a certain period of time. Every call that isn't answered is counted against their running total.

    If a relay company falls below a certain percent (it's around 80% or so in a 24 hour period of time), they receive NO MONEY for that day. For the company I worked at, they had 1 day last year where they failed to maintain the standard. The amount of money lost for 1 day? Approaching $3 million according to management.

    Anyone saying that business isn't a money making enterprise is full of BS.

  10. Re:We've gotten this by aosgood · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Obviously you don't have deaf parents or family like myself. Hanging up on someone just because they are deaf is like parking your car in a handicap spot or being a member of the KKK. This is completely crazy. Some people haven't been given the gift of hearing when they were born or had complications during birth to 3 years old. My dad had Scarlet Fever and because of that he lost his hearing. My mother, they just don't know. I think you guys could handle relay calls a little bit better like have them email you from a friends or family computer.

    Sorry for the ranting but this just bothers me since i have been around the deaf community all my life.

  11. Re:Why? by idesofmarch · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I thought about this for a long time too. I am a little surprised the article does not get into that more. Here is what I can come up with:

    First, I think you are right about the accents. Because the scammers are pretending to be Americans (possessing credit cards of Americans) they would have a harder time on the phone, with their accents. Also, the call is free, as best as I can tell. Finally, I think there is the additional degree of anonymity, because there is no call to trace. I can only conclude that these advantages outweigh the unusual nature of the relay call.