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Consumer Electronics Make Music

metoikos writes "Forget about hacking your Gameboy -- what about cat toys or Teddy Ruxpins? Any of these is fair game to a circuit bending hobbyist. Essentially, circuit bending is the art of making interesting noises come out of re-engineered consumer electronics, mostly toys. Bending recently came into the spotlight when a number of news organizations discovered the 2004 Bent Festival at New York's Tank. Derek Sajbel, a bender from California, is writing a book/doing a documentary on it." BishopBerkeley writes "Circuit bending has apparently been going on long enough among a large enough contingent of benders to merit a weeklong festival dedicated to bending circuits. The art is largely a process of making musical instruments by 'bending' the circuits of fairly common electronic instruments and gadgets. According to this article in the New York Times people have been making rather interesting music by modifying the strange toys with which a lot of us grew up. If you're near Manhattan, and you didn't know about the Bent Festival, then think about going. You can find more info at the official circuit bending web site."

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  1. Benders? by Seoulstriker · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bender Festival? Think of all the oil, cigars, and robot pr0n there would be...

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    1. Re:Benders? by douglasmc · · Score: 1, Insightful

      heh sounds pretty sweet i must say... destroy all humans!

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    2. Re:Benders? by VirtualWolf · · Score: 1

      In fact, forget the festival!

    3. Re:Benders? by daveinthesky · · Score: 1


      More like weed, kid toys and random old music you'd never think you'd hear again.....

      it's kinda funny, the way the music scene's gone the last couple years..


      i remember during the dot com boom everyone was vying to have their superstar dj grace the mainstream with a musical style underground artists had been making for years without their notice or attention.

      a club around here (LA, the echo) is even trying to dedicate a night to "chip [mod] music" ... errmm-- ha ha. fun to see if the LA music clique ever decides to try and take circuit bending mainstream. that'd be the day.. maybe it'd knock a few of those shitheads doing the airwave programming around here around enough to give them half a sense of musical taste (in the anti-anti musical headfuck sense)

      anyways. small world. check out the fuckin tech-trip sound. http://absurdity.biz/~david/ you just might like it (bare with me as i prepare my server for a slashdot acid fry). pay derek a visit while you're there, too.. he's a cool cat if you meet em in person

      peace

  2. Uhm ok... by mindless4210 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Can you actually call that music? I wonder what it sounds like.

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    1. Re:Uhm ok... by Bobdoer · · Score: 0

      People listened to Brittany Spears, N'Sink and other such "artists;" I doubt most of them could tell the difference in quality.

    2. Re:Uhm ok... by mindless4210 · · Score: 1

      Hah agreed.

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    3. Re:Uhm ok... by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 2, Informative
      Can you actually call that music? I wonder what it sounds like.

      Not to start a dictionary war but from websters:

      Main Entry: music
      Pronunciation: 'myü-zik
      Function: noun
      Usage: often attributive
      Etymology: Middle English musik, from Old French musique, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikE any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse
      1 a : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony
      2 a : an agreeable sound : EUPHONY b : musical quality
      (snip)


      I would define music as sounds created with artistic intent.

      Not all of the music I listen to neccessarily has rhythm and melody/harmony. And Harmony is a concept of western music, other musics are based on other mathematics.

      Ambient music, which I like a lot, does not neccessarily have a discernable rhythm or melody, but can be very intersting to listen to.

      There is only so much you can do when restricting yourself to octive based music. Just about everything that would sound nice to most people has already been done. That's why I find experimental music so interesting. It is different.

      I like music that is sample based, and I like music that is made from unorthodox techniques, such as the current article suggests. I like normal music too but music like this just fascinates me.
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    4. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I would defind music as sounds created by someone other than a country singer.

    5. Re:Uhm ok... by mindless4210 · · Score: 1

      I can't disagree with you on that. I guess the impression I get is that it sounds like squeaks and what not. Then again, I've never heard one of those things.

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    6. Re:Uhm ok... by sahonen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There is only so much you can do when restricting yourself to octive based music

      Wrong. Let's say you play eighth notes at 120bpm for three minutes. Even if you restrict yourself to the 7 tones in a particular key instead of a full twelve tone octave, that's 1.3 x 10^325 possible songs.

      Okay, so most music has a bit of repetition in it, so let's say the verse lasts 30 seconds out of that song. You still have 1.5 x 10^54 possible verses. And I'm not even taking chords into account.

      Only non-musicians think that there's no new music to be made, because non-musicians simply don't realize the potential that exists in every single musical instrument. Of course, the other reason could be because pop musicians aren't even trying anymore. Fact is, there is plenty of original music being made, you just have to look for it. Go down to a big-name music bar on a Friday night instead of browsing slashdot. (Yeah, yeah, I know. But I've got a gig tomorrow.)

      On a side note, I am so sick and fucking tired of electronic "music." I don't know about you, but I want my music to be played by a fucking MUSICIAN, wielding an instrument like an extension of his body and putting all the feel and soul into it that ONLY a human can. THAT is music, not a bunch of wav files you strung together in Acid and called a song. Some guy sitting at a keyboard is not a musician, okay?

      Let me know when you find electronic music that can make you cry or fall in love or get that amazing "that rocked so much" feeling when you hear a great performace. It's the human element that truly makes music what it is.

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    7. Re:Uhm ok... by sahonen · · Score: 1

      It ain't a troll just 'cause it's true. There are way too many techno fans with mod points out today. Music always has and always *should* be created by humans using analog instruments.

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    8. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "N'Sync" you cock-gobbling spaz-badger.

    9. Re:Uhm ok... by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On a side note, I am so sick and fucking tired of electronic "music." I don't know about you, but I want my music to be played by a fucking MUSICIAN, wielding an instrument like an extension of his body and putting all the feel and soul into it that ONLY a human can.

      OK, so how do you feel about Laurie Anderson , who plays hand-made experimental violins and Pauline Oliveros , who plays Accordian, but not in such a way that you can tell it is an accordian?

      And out of curiosity, how do you feel about the music of Wendy Carlos, especially the Switched On Bach series?

      I like and have a very large collection of classical music, I just like other music too, and some of it is quite weird, but usually more complicated than "a bunch of wav files you strung together in Acid" (Although that makes me wonder if you've listened to Not Breathing.)

      And for clarification, part of what I meant about the limitations of octive based music was looking at stuff like eastern music.

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    10. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it change how much they suck if they had a different name?

    11. Re:Uhm ok... by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I think they're three of the nasties bulldykes in show biz!

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    12. Re:Uhm ok... by sahonen · · Score: 1

      I've never hard of any of these people, which was probably what you were expecting. I went to all of the web sites you provided but could find no clips for download except for Not Breathing, see below.

      OK, so how do you feel about Laurie Anderson, who plays hand-made experimental violins and Pauline Oliveros, who plays Accordian, but not in such a way that you can tell it is an accordian?

      Playing old instruments in new ways is what keeps music alive and thriving.

      but usually more complicated than "a bunch of wav files you strung together in Acid" (Although that makes me wonder if you've listened to Not Breathing.)

      I listened to a little bit of it, but it sounded pretty much like your typical samples over percussion loop techno. I don't know how you can even bear to mention that kind of crap in the same sentence as classical, which is the absolute hardest genre to execute due to the fine degree of dynamic and tempo control and sensitivity that every single musician on stage has to have. Techno, or even popular music can't even begin to compare.

      And for clarification, part of what I meant about the limitations of octive based music was looking at stuff like eastern music.

      New and interesting scales are always fun to listen to. Try listening to something in the Locrian mode, it'll weird you out without even resorting to random noises.

      Interesting note of the day, it's not always an even twelve tone scale. The half step is not the smallest unit of pitch. Microtonal music can go down to quarter steps, but it requires incredible skill to be able to manipulate pitches in ranges that small. There's also temperments of tuning, where each note in the scale is sharped or flatted slightly from its even temperment (straight logarithmic scale of frequencies) pitch to lend a certain flavor to songs played in certain keys. It's how everything used to be tuned.

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    13. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know and don't care, I just wanted to link to a goatse image.

    14. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To paraphrase a song of the Who "[I w]on't get fooled again."

    15. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't like music snobs... How can you maintain an emotional conection with music when you know so many technical details about it? Everything listening becomes an analysis.

    16. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one was a really nice one though!

    17. Re:Uhm ok... by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

      I've never hard of any of these people, which was probably what you were expecting.

      It doesn't suprise me but if you're into Classica I might have expected you to have heard of Wendy Carlos. Switched on Bach was the first full album made completely from a Synthesizer. It was also the first classical album to go double platnum or something.

      Laurie Anderson is an Avantgarde performance artist who had a one hit wonder in the 70s (Oh Superman) which got her a 8(?) album contract with Warner Brothers with complete artistic control. Her hand-made violins include a Viophonograph which has a mount for a 7" record on it with a stylist on the bow, The tape=bow Violin which has audio tape on the bow, Zeta MIDI Violin which retrieve aduio from a sampler, a digital violin (Not sure how this is different from the MIDI), and is a Clevinger Bass a unique instrument?

      Pauline Oliveros was another pioneer in electronic music. In her early days she was particularly inspired by the frogs in a bog near the studio she created music in. She did many variations on a theme based on this. You probably wouldn't like this stuff because I would describe it as electronic noise.

      You might like her Deep Listening project which uses such instruments as accordion, trombones, didjeridu, garden hose, organ, flutes, and electronics. This music is Ambient, very relaxing, but most songs do not have a discernable rhythm or melody.

      (About Not Breathing) I listened to a little bit of it, but it sounded pretty much like your typical samples over percussion loop techno.

      The stuff on the website is more unreleased stuff for the fans, and is more just messing around. If you were to search Kazaa for a song I would recommend Sacred Relapse from The Starry Wisdom.

      I don't know how you can even bear to mention that kind of crap in the same sentence as classical

      Well, for one thing I am interested in all sorts of music, just about everything except top 40. In recent years I've become completely bored with most guitar oriented music. Another thing is I'm more into Industrial than Techno, and would classify Not Breating as being more Industrial. That is heavily influenced by the fact that my first experience with them was seeing them live, warming up for Pigface, joined by Mike Spybey and people playing accoustic instruments including didjeridu. The first song started really slowly and kept building and building into a crescendo. I count it among the 10 most incredible performances I've witnessed, and it blew away the main act.

      which is the absolute hardest genre to execute due to the fine degree of dynamic and tempo control and sensitivity that every single musician on stage has to have.

      Well, are you talking a Symphony, an Ensemble, a quartet or a solo act? I've witnessed a string quartet perform Bach, followed up with Avantgarde "noise" including screaching, and being very impressed with both works so to speak.

      Yet another thing is that Industrial music has a lot of inspiration from modern classical music such as John Cage and Pierre Schaffer. So there is an evolution from classical music to the Avantgarde and Industrial musics.

      Interesting note of the day, it's not always an even twelve tone scale. The half step is not the smallest unit of pitch. Microtonal music can go down to quarter steps, but it requires incredible skill to be able to manipulate pitches in ranges that small.

      You mean like Gyorgy Ligeti?
      If so then yea, I heard it in the store one day and had to buy it. Very cool stuff.

      Maybe the music this /. article is talking about specifically isn't in the same league, but I'm usually interested in experimental music, even if it is being weird for weirdness's sake. After listening I decide if I actually like it or not. And there is experimental music that I dislike. I just find it interesting in general, and like to check new stuff out.

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    18. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The above is closer to the truth than the author probably realized, since Pauline Oliveros is actually a lesbian. And, just for the record, Wendy Carlos, uh, didn't start out as Wendy Carlos. Laurie Anderson is the only I have no gossip on...

    19. Re:Uhm ok... by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Laurie Anderson is the only I have no gossip on...

      I don't know for sure, but she pretty much sets off my gay-dar. At her last concert she mentioned her partner, something I don't recall on any of her albums, all of which I own. Anyway, she didn't mention the sex of her partner, but I got the impression it's a she.

      And she did a split album with William S. Burroughs and John Giorno, both of whom I know are gay so um....

      But then Laurie is definately on the skinny side so I don't think I would describe her as a bull-dyke.

      I'm not sure why I picked 3 women. Just the first few off the top of my head who in some way transend Classical and Avantgarde music.

      I could have mentioned John Zorn but he is more between Jazz and Klezmer and Avantgarde.

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    20. Re:Uhm ok... by ExInferus · · Score: 1

      quoth sahonen: "Let me know when you find electronic music that can make you cry or fall in love or get that amazing "that rocked so much" feeling when you hear a great performace."

      Okay - here's one for you: VNV Nation. (the one song they actually have on the site is an old remix and not representative of their work really). Maybe not for everyone, but they put on the most amazing live show I've seen, and it's pure electronics with vocals. Quite literally life-changing for me.

      I see no problem with looking to interesting sources for sound. While I do agree there's plenty of possible songs possible with 'traditional' means, I think finding interesting ways to produce the sounds is an entirely viable option. In GOOD electronic music, not only does the musician compose the song, but they effectively create the sound it's played with. There are more ways to produce pleasing sounds than just strings and breath.

      Though I admit that just making the interesting noises is not that amazing to me, musically. They have to be used well, by passionate musicians.

    21. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me: how can one Goatse be better than another?

    22. Re:Uhm ok... by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      Death before Techno!

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    23. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A rose by any other name..."

    24. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine Lisa Simpson's Spello saying "please let me die" in a sad pathetic voice. That will give you the basic idea of what they sound like.

    25. Re:Uhm ok... by black88 · · Score: 0

      And who they fuck matters because? Not trying to flame or troll, as I have a feeling that by your User name, you probably are not homophobic, but still, I wanted to add something to the conversation.

    26. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, according to this entry he is technically correct.

    27. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something tells me you are either:

      a) not a musician at all

      b) a bitter, frustrated crank of a musician

      c) all of the above

    28. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laurie Anderson is married to Lou Reed.

    29. Re:Uhm ok... by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      Exactly my definition. Sound created with artistic intent. A rather extreme example: Someone records the sound of a truck driving by. Someone gives the tape or whatever medium to someone and says, "This is a recording of the sound of a truck driving by." Another person, an experimental musician, to express his/her rebellion against "normal" music, records the same truck driving by. He gives this tape to someone and says, "This is a song/track/work that I just finished recording." The former is not music, while the latter is. Now, I wouldn't be too impressed with said musical work, and I'd probably only listen to it once before absorbing all the appreciation I could from it, but I wouldn't say, "Are you crazy or stupid? That's not music! You need rhythm and melody to have music!"

      I'm sure most of you will mock this example, but in my mind, that is what seperates music from just sound. Sound is just a waveform, just like a painting is just a bunch of matter arranged to form patterns of color. What makes them art/music is the intent. Are they created for functional purposes, or simply to express the creator's self? That is the difference, to me.

      Otherwise, music and art both become very messy to define, as well as unnecessarily exclusive.

      Have any of you ever heard Merzbow or any other Japanoise bands? It's some of the most extreme and nontraditional music I've heard. Most people would think it's simply the sound of electronics going badly badly wrong. White noise. Screeches. Metallic squeals. Snatches of looped jazz. Check it out if you want to see how far the limits of music can be stretched. I attended a Merzbow concert at the end of a film festival and was amused at the stream of people leaving, not knowing what the hell was going on and covering their ears, leaving the people who actually came to the festival to see him (like me).

      BTW, if you are actually interested in hearing Merzbow, www.amazon.com has audio samples. Be sure to turn your speakers down, however. Check out Venereology for one of his harsher albums.

    30. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, thanks grampa. That 'music' the kids listen to is just noise I tells ya!

    31. Re:Uhm ok... by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 1

      On a side note, I am so sick and fucking tired of electronic "music." I don't know about you, but I want my music to be played by a fucking MUSICIAN, wielding an instrument like an extension of his body and putting all the feel and soul into it that ONLY a human can. THAT is music, not a bunch of wav files you strung together in Acid and called a song. Some guy sitting at a keyboard is not a musician, okay?

      While I agree in spirit, I can't disagree more in implementation. I've recently adopted midi sequencing as part of my personal repertoire. Why would I do a silly thing like that? Well, go check out my music on my website. Notice any missing sounds from the mix? Like, perhaps, a bass that I don't own? Also, I'm moving away from thrash metal and into more melodic stuff, and as such I'm wanting some good harmonies and texturing noises (violins and synths, mostly), upon which I'll be building compositions, rather than just songs. So I figure there's still a human element, and there's still the base muse being involved here.

      To keep it with real humans playing every single instrument, I'd have to know a hundred musicians all with the ability to play a variety of instruments. I'd need a big, good acoustical room for them to play in, and hundreds of high-dollar microphones to record them. Then I'd need to compose a score and distribute it to all the musicians, wherever they are, and it would really suck if the day came to record and I discovered I had an entire harmony line written out half a step too low. Oops. Without having all these "friends" I'd have to hire them. So you're looking at a thousand-dollar proposition for me to make the music that I want to make.

      Or, instead I can delegate the less-important parts to the computer, play the important parts myself, take my time, and do it all with existing facilities/utilities. In the end, what's going to be the noticeable difference between the two recordings (assuming all technical factors of recording being equal)?

      Not a whole lot. I could probably get a little more collective emotion into the recording by having humans play it. Instead I'm depending on the listener providing that extra emotion. And it's not like the computer is writing the music, just performing. In the long run, I can get a midi pickup and literally play every part, just not all at once. ;)

      So it's not as simple as just "electronic music sucks". There is good and bad electronic music. I particularly enjoy Yello. I also enjoy some of the sampling that Anthrax has been doing lately (as in the last ten years). On the other hand, I don't enjoy the music you hear in a standard techno dance club. That stuff doesn't appeal to me, it's all loud, throbbing bass drum and more or less random samples thrown on to "sound cool" and "have a dance beat". Of course, in that case they're not trying to make music, they're trying to make dance, which is a different muse entirely, I think. Or should be, anyway.

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    32. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I happen to like non-electronic and electronic music of all sorts.

      Rather than ragging on people making tunes in ACID (not a pro tool and you know it) why dont you and your band get some practice, cos I followed the link to your homepage and man do you guys suck.

    33. Re:Uhm ok... by sahonen · · Score: 1

      That was my band in high school, and it's some kind of law or something that high school bands have to suck. I'm a much better player now, playing in a much better band (ironically, a former electronic project), but we haven't put anything on tape yet.

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    34. Re:Uhm ok... by sahonen · · Score: 1

      I'll sometimes resort to MIDI when I'm recording demo stuff and I'm not a good enough guitarist to pull it off (I'm primarily a bass player/drummer) or when I don't want to wake people up with drums, but I hate doing it just because the feel is so horrible, especially on the drums. In order to put in the feel that comes naturally to me playing live, I have to mess around with the velocity of every single note, and even then you don't quite get that subtle "behind the beat" feel that makes it funky.

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    35. Re:Uhm ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotal story. This doesn't show the failings of programmed drums. It shows your failings as a drum programmer.

    36. Re:Uhm ok... by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

      And who they fuck matters because? Not trying to flame or troll, as I have a feeling that by your User name, you probably are not homophobic, but still, I wanted to add something to the conversation.

      Nope, I'm not in the least homophobic, and It probably doesn't matter who they fuck. I suppose I was trying to take the fun out of the trolls by causually discussing it. Then again, with Burroughs it kinda matters because he did write about aspects of his own life quite extensively.

      And hey, I found out something I didn't know because an AC replied saying Laurie Anderson is married to Lou Reed. I've been meaning to get into Lou Reed for a while now. This just increases my desire to get some of his albums.

      Funny that someone would mod my post flamebait, as I was not using the term gay as an insult, simply as a matter of fact.

      I'm a fan of Burroughs and Giorno. John Giorno is a gay buddhist poet who uses a lot of electronics (delays mainly) in his poetry. I think all his stuff is out of print except for "You're The Guy I Want To Share My Money With" which only has two poems. And I was only able to find one other poem when searching Kazaa.

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    37. Re:Uhm ok... by black88 · · Score: 0

      Have you checked out Ubuweb?

  3. So If I.. by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Funny

    So If I just go ahead and bend this keyboard something interest should come out...

    waits 10 seconds...

    ASDLJGFLKJ#$()!*U@#$!)ADFKOH#@$I!HJ@#KJRQWEKJFAK DS FHAKEJHROQWEOURQWLKJEF:LKJ#!LKJ#@$!

    1. Re:So If I.. by typhoonius · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let me give it a shot.

      234df516g798!@3412$t5a46S546DF89f%@#a874!@23DF89 f%@#a874!@234df516g798!@34124df516g798!@3412$t5a46 S5234df516g798!@3412$t5a46S5#JLD89234df516g798!@34 12$t5a46S5235mD21f81wad7as123xz2384Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune24asqw546w@3412$t5a46S546438#a874!@#JL45a46 S546438#a874!sf132Fa@3412$t5a46S546438#a874!sf132F

      Oh, never mind, nothing'll ever come of that.

  4. PS2 disc loader by PoprocksCk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I should probably take my Playstation 2 into one of those geeky bending festivals -- maybe they could get that darned DVD tray to open and shut faster!

  5. Obligatory... by Wooky_linuxer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of bended toys trasmitting datagrams using interesting music... oh well.

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    1. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God damn that's funny... You should quit your day job and do this comedy thing full time!

    2. Re:Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      did anybody else read your joke as "bended boys"?

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  6. A certain kind of bent by the_laotse · · Score: 0

    I guess it requires a certain kind of bent of one's mind..to bend the circuits

    1. Re:A certain kind of bent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      do not try and bend the circuit, that is impossible. instead only try to realize the truth. there is no circuit.

  7. There's more than one way to bend a PCB by drewhearle · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Think that circuit boards can only be bent by water if they're the cheap cardboard kind? Think again. Any cheap electronic toy's circuit board can be "bent" (in the musical context) by placing drops of water on the board in strategic locations.

    Electronic toys have also been known to melt (well, 'bend') when the batteries start running low.

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    1. Re:There's more than one way to bend a PCB by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      Ouch, you just better hope you don't drink that water!

    2. Re:There's more than one way to bend a PCB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no cardboard PCBs. Where did you get that information? Perhaps you mean phenolic, which are made by the 'punch and crunch' process. They're not cardboard, but pretty close.

    3. Re:There's more than one way to bend a PCB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck is this +5 Interesting? How about -1 Idiotic?

  8. Wow, That's Awful by dirkdidit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sorry but I'm not sure you can call that anything but controlled noise, albeit poorly controlled. It's pretty bad.

    If that's all it takes to be called music, then I'm going to record all the noises my car makes and sell a CD of it.

    1. Re:Wow, That's Awful by The+Gline · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've been beaten to it. Well, sort of.

      There's a group from Norway called Voice Crack, who create experimental electronic music from what they call "cracked everyday electronics." One album of theirs I heard used everything from a broken Speak and Spell to an electronic greeting card. Definitely not music as we know it, but interesting if you are drawn to that sort of thing. I imagine they would love being at something like this (and if they were there, correct me, please!).

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    2. Re:Wow, That's Awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not like that.
      You work for hours on a keyboard with a handful of wires, resistors, caps and what not.
      Record the lot, edit out the boring bits, then start the normal way you go about making tracks.
      It's a way to get new sounds.
      You've probably heard thousands of sounds from sample cd's on tracks. It's good to get original noises sometimes.

    3. Re:Wow, That's Awful by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 1

      Umm... this sort of thing is actually done. You can buy CDs of engine recordings from popular car models (In particular high-end sports cars are popular).

      Check out www.enginemusic.com for instance.

      By the way, I don't understand the appeal.

    4. Re:Wow, That's Awful by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter how long it takes to make it, it still sounds like absolute shit.

      I can spend four hours gluing sequins on a kazoo, it's not going to help.

      Tree wave does something similar to this with a C64, atari 2600, compaq portable and a epson dot matrix printer.. but it actually sounds like.. music, sort of. It has like.. notes and stuff.

    5. Re:Wow, That's Awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently these days it's not too hard to get away with music that sounds like shit. I went to a concert awhile ago where the symphony performed some modern-classical piece that sounded like random notes for 10 minutes.

    6. Re:Wow, That's Awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the idea is that you work on it until it does not sound like shit... All computer music starts off sounding pretty terrible. A single loop or synth part is very dull. It's the start of the compositional process, things only come together after a lot of work.

      There is no rule saying you must *only* use circuit bent noises in a track, and none from any other source...

      btw, covering your kazoo in sequins *can* improve it. Have some fun, that's what it's about!

    7. Re:Wow, That's Awful by Animats · · Score: 1
      Agreed.

      About 20 years ago, there was a fad for this, using dozens of effects pedal modules and noise generators. It was called "power electronics".

      It sucked.

    8. Re:Wow, That's Awful by nosphalot · · Score: 1

      Even before them, The Residents came out with an album called Duck Stab, most of which was performed on toy instruments, like Fisher Price keyboards.

  9. I don't know what to say. by DAldredge · · Score: 0, Troll

    That is worse than techno. I mean, it sounds like someone took a cat and pluged said cat into the wall. That isn't music, it is noise.

    1. Re:I don't know what to say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ok, who let grampa out?

    2. Re:I don't know what to say. by antic · · Score: 1

      Bending is to Slashdot as Swinging is to the rest of the population?

      And the two groups both have very different interpretations (and uses for!) "toys".

      I love Slashdot. Without it, I might not be producing bizarre music from electronic childrens' toys, making my computer look like it's actually made from wood, and learning why running for geeks is at all different to running for anyone else! :)

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    3. Re:I don't know what to say. by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      I down loaded some of the MP3's. It isn't music. I sounds like some piped a flawed PRNG thru /dev/audio.

      I physical hurts my ears and my son looked at the computer like it was about to blow up.

      I was and is just horriable sounding.

    4. Re:I don't know what to say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'll answer for the noise making people. Please read this sentence again so it's not mistaken that what I say next is serious.

      Ahem. It's not the music it's you. You need to open your mind up because you obviously don't understand our music. Try opening your mind instead of criticizing. I suggest you use a twelve gauge. Which reminds me, I just made a 19 minute excursion into the realm of mimiced 12 gauge sounds created with a bent Simon and some baked orange peels. I'd post a link but it's beyond you all to understand. Beeps and screeches are in a realm beyond all of you mortals. Even I have problems recifying the complex melodies and harmonies (if they existed in our music, chumps) because this is gods music. I only wish Bartertown really existed so I could record underwold because that was music that could only come from a choir of angels. I don't expect any of you to understand, what with your time and key signatures and beats and notes and tone and what not. Silly things like scales and talent. Free your minds from "notes" and structure. I've wasted my time enough with you all. I'm going to go open my mind more by listening to a car compactor that could use an oil job.

    5. Re:I don't know what to say. by sahonen · · Score: 1

      Haha, I love it, nice. If you weren't an AC you'd be on my friends list.

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    6. Re:I don't know what to say. by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Please log in so I can make you a friend. You are insane, but fun to listen to.

    7. Re:I don't know what to say. by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      I would expect the closeminded attitudes from most places, but I thought that geeks and nerds were supposed to be open minded. I love electronics and I love electronic music. Not crappy dance music, but music that sounds like it was created by robots and cyborgs and artificial intelligences.

      The guitar/bass/drums thing has been done, done, done, done, done to death. Blah. How boring. It's the 21st century. I think it's time for new kinds of music created by new kinds of instruments. To paraphrase Masami Akita of Merzbow, if noise is sound that's unpleasant to listen to, then pop music is noise to me.

      Go ahead, mod me as as flamebait or a troll. But try to open your mind just a bit first.

  10. Hacking Teddy Ruxpin... by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2, Funny
    What about [hacking] cat toys or Teddy Ruxpins?
    Ha! I remember when my sister had "Cricket", another one of those Teddy Ruxpin-like dolls that had a cassette player built into it. I threw a Metallica tape into Cricket, and she started lip syncing to Enter Sandman! Ah, those were the good ol' days...
    1. Re:Hacking Teddy Ruxpin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I remeber the good old days when I gave your sister "Crabs", another one of those STDs that left little insects built into her. I threw a Meat tape into her, and she started lip syncing to Enter Sandman! Ah, those were the good ol' days...

    2. Re:Hacking Teddy Ruxpin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, this is really funny... Why hasn't it been moded up yet?

    3. Re:Hacking Teddy Ruxpin... by AaronD12 · · Score: 1

      Heh! I did something quite similar. I worked for an educational toy store at the time that sold Teddy Ruxpins. I put Prince's 1999 cassette into Teddy, and when Prince screamed, Teddy's mouth opened wide and his eyes rolled back into his head!

  11. HP Printer Easter Egg by John+Courtland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember reading a story about how an HP engineer set up a row of printers (I think it was 12, in total) and he programmed the servos to sing "Happy Birthday" for a fellow engineer... I wish I could remember more details but I'm in no state to look up details right now.

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    1. Re:HP Printer Easter Egg by kisielk · · Score: 1

      I have a HP ScanJet 5p SCSI scanner that plays Ode To Joy. You have to set the SCSI ID to 0 (or 1? Can't remember off hand) and then hold the scan button while powering it up. The motors in the scanner then play ode to joy. I have an ogg recording of it here.

    2. Re:HP Printer Easter Egg by fermion · · Score: 1

      I also recall a scene in Infinity in which Feynman set up the computing machines to play music for the new recruits. I can't remember exactly what it was.

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    3. Re:HP Printer Easter Egg by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      The IBM 5100, which my father brought home from work a few times when I was in High School for us to mess with, had a program that printed a bunch on the line printer, and the sounds the line printer made while printing this particular pattern was a fairly good rendition of the William Tell Overture. The rhythm pattern, at least.

      That was in the medium-old days, before the PC. Not sure what the 5100 is classified as.

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    4. Re:HP Printer Easter Egg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HP Scanjet Easter Egg-
      set scanner to SCSI ID #0
      boot system while holding down Scan button

      you will hear "Ode to Joy" as Beethoven intended it-with the scan motor's whine :)

    5. Re:HP Printer Easter Egg by iantri · · Score: 1
      As someone mentioned in another comment, many of HP's scanners can play "Ode to Joy" if you perform a certain set of actions..

      you do it like this and it works on a lot of HP's older scanners..

  12. DSP music box by Doomrat · · Score: 0

    Although not quite the same thing, some people are making neat music from plain hardware. See this site for some interesting output from a DSP processor. Audio synthesis is a great hobby - the signal processing and mathematics involved are fascinating.

  13. This is not as good by Slashdot+Hivemind · · Score: 2, Interesting
  14. Learn from the masters by L3WKW4RM · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bah. If you want to know circuit bending, check it out from the real masters...

    I've been torturing electronics for years, and have some personal instruments that make sounds no commercial synthesizer could ever do.

    1. Re:Learn from the masters by sahonen · · Score: 1

      I've been torturing electronics for years, and have some personal instruments that make sounds no commercial synthesizer could ever do.

      Probably because nobody in their right mind would actually want their synthesizer to make those kinds of godawful noises.

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    2. Re:Learn from the masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have a question for benders. has anyone experimented with the "Wrinkles the talking dog" toy? It came out in the 80's. My dad was the lead EE on the project when he used to work for a toy company. It was actually a pretty entertaining toy. each one had a slightly different appearance, like cabbage patch kids. i would really be interested to know if anyone remembers that toy.

    3. Re:Learn from the masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've definitely given me some 'bent' ideas ;)

    4. Re:Learn from the masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's actually funny. my dad said when they were designing it, and testing the speech out, they had it say sexual things. this was in the 80's before the PC regime took over our workplace with lawsuits. funny stuff indeed. long live Wrinkles

  15. The first thing I thought of by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 1

    was that Big Mouth Billy Bass someone modded a long time ago to say "Pork!

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    1. Re:The first thing I thought of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, I really love you Jin! Let's meet up some time and fornicate like rabid foxes!

    2. Re:The first thing I thought of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to be the one to burst your private fantasy world, but rabid foxes don't really fornicate all that well you know.

    3. Re:The first thing I thought of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn

  16. I hope they don't get sued? by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Offtopic
    In one of the more unusual corners of the annals of copyright law, I seem to remember there being something about the "Teddy Ruxpin" which might well deter you from hacking it.

    For those of you who don't remember that device (and I have only vague recollections of seeing it on TV myself), the Teddy Ruxpin was a stuffed bear which moved its mouth in sync (more or less), to the words of any cassete placed in the device. When packaged with a book & tape, it would, in effect, read the book to the child.
    Now I imagine that by now you're wondering what on earth this could possibly have to do with copyright law, right? Allow me to quote from this:
    As an example of copyright law, Zittrain cited a case that involving the manufacturer of the Teddy Ruxpin talking teddy bear. The company sued when someone created a "new" Teddy Ruxpin doll by removing the tape inside the doll that simulates its speech, re-recording the tape and inserting it back into the doll. The judge found that the individual had in fact created a derivative work that infringed on Teddy Ruxpin's copyright.
    And we had best get used to unusual decisions like this. Unless you live to be over 70 (and barring a change in the law), absolutely nothing copyrighted during your lifetime will ever pass into the public domain.

    Of course, if you're a US voter, and you would like to help end some of the copyright inanity (the DMCA, the NET Act, etc.), feel free to petition your representatives. You can call them for free via this 1-800 number (they will help transfer you to the proper representative): 1 (800) 839-5276
    1. Re:I hope they don't get sued? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with you that the DMCA et. al. are not good things, I think you have to keep in mind that the guy who replaced the tape in the Teddy Ruxpin doll was only sued because he was repackaging and selling the damned things. He would have been left alone had he not been so stupid.

    2. Re:I hope they don't get sued? by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      In one of the more unusual corners of the annals of copyright law, I seem to remember there being something about the "Teddy Ruxpin" which might well deter you from hacking it.
      Except that the person you quoted above got it all wrong. "The Teddy Ruxpin copyright owner then successfully sued other companies who marketed tape cassettes with additional stories in them for Teddy Ruxpin toy bears to read with animation."

      In other words: Someone selling or distributing unauthorized recordings designed to be used in the Teddy Ruxpin doll could be (and was) sued for copyright infringement.

      Nothing about this lawsuit would "deter me from hacking" a Teddy Ruxpin doll, or anything else for that matter, as I'm not interested in marketing the results.

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    3. Re:I hope they don't get sued? by jovlinger · · Score: 1

      If I read the grandparent correctly, there was nothing special about the tapes; they were any audio tape (I imagine the mouth was controlled by convolving the VU meter output).

      So, according to the TR owners ANY audio tape infringes their copyright!

      I thought maybe it was a trademark issue, that the tapes were marketed using the TR name, but your link makes it seem that wasn't the case. The case hinged rather on the similar effects that could be acheived with the tapes, rather than their marketing.

      I'm agoggle at US law. again. You'd think I'd get used to it. Or remember that EU law (with the benefit of seeing what a mess the US legal system is) is falling over itself to copy those mistakes.

    4. Re:I hope they don't get sued? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of 'first sale'?

      Of course you can repackage and resell things. You have to buy it first.

    5. Re:I hope they don't get sued? by S.Lemmon · · Score: 1

      Heh - good thing the recording industry didn't think of this. Imagine if every record label would required you to use their own proprietary playback device!

    6. Re:I hope they don't get sued? by S.Lemmon · · Score: 1

      Er, sorry about that. Readers please mentally ditch the non-sequitorial "would" in the post above. :-/

    7. Re:I hope they don't get sued? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Or remember that EU law (with the benefit of seeing what a mess the US legal system is) is falling over itself to copy those mistakes.

      Maybe the US will sue the EU over copyright then...

  17. Einstuerzende Neubauten by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ASDLJGFLKJ#$()!*U@#$!)ADFKOH#@$I!HJ@#KJRQWEKJFAKDS FHAKEJHROQWEOURQWLKJEF:LKJ#!LKJ#@$!

    Try listening to Einstuerzende Neubauten. I'm sure that they've used something that sounds like that in at least one of their songs.

    And that way you can save yourself another keyboard.

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    1. Re:Einstuerzende Neubauten by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      They are a cool band, but I'm much more into their old stuff compared to the new. Their classic music was performed on all kinds of metal junk. And this was well before Stomp.

      I heard about circuit bending a *long* time ago, but then I'm into noise, industrial, and experimental music and I make it when given the time and inclination.

  18. "But that's not music" by HeavensTrash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apparently from reading comments on this board so far, most people seem to be offended by experimental music. "You call that music? That's just noise!". Believe it or not, Noise actually is a genre of music and has a rather large following. I don't care if you don't like it, but I could just as easily criticize whatever MTV or Classical Rock things you are all listening to.

    Remember, people used to say the same thing about Rock N' Roll, which in my opinion is a completely stale genre. Try and open your minds a bit to things you don't understand.

    1. Re:"But that's not music" by Duty · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even if you don't live in the state of, shall we say, bentness it takes to appreciate Merzbow, it is handy for driving away unwanted houseguests.

    2. Re:"But that's not music" by HeavensTrash · · Score: 1

      Funny that you mention it, I'm actually wearing a Merzbow T-Shirt as I type this.

    3. Re:"But that's not music" by Jin+Wicked · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the band "Art of Noise." =)

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    4. Re:"But that's not music" by sahonen · · Score: 0

      At least MTV and classical have notes. Holy shit, this stuff offends me. I haven't been studying music theory and applying myself at a *real* instrument, only to have some hack with a circuit board call a bunch of farting noises "music"!

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    5. Re:"But that's not music" by sahonen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, way to use your "overrated" rating to avoid metamoderation.

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    6. Re:"But that's not music" by fermion · · Score: 1
      The debate goes back as far as you want to go back. Someone mentioned classical. Many famous compositions were decried as little more than random noise when they premiered. Many would consider jazz as a random sequence of squeaks.

      Earlier this year I went to a presentation of three one act ballets . The company is a major, tours worldwide, and has significant funding. The new artistic director is a young guy of his mid thirties. Anyway the third act was an incredibly choreographed presentation. Beautiful costumes. Minimalist scenery. And prerecorded industrial noise.

      Now noise is not my favorite but I was getting into the rhythms of the music and the movements of the barely clothed bodies. Other older patrons were not so lucky. I heard that a few got physically ill.

      To them and the rest I say get some broad culture. You can't submerse yourself in local or some accepted standard culture and consider yourself "cultured." Music is varied and arbitrary judgments are just silly. You enjoy what you enjoy, but there is more music in heaven and earth than any of us could possible appreciate.

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    7. Re:"But that's not music" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I do

    8. Re:"But that's not music" by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      This isn't music any more than putting a gold fish into pluged in blenders in public is art.

      It fits none of the classical defs of music. It is random electrical noise caused by torturing circutboards. Hell, if this is music, the sound of a cat pluged into the mains would be a fscking symphony.

    9. Re:"But that's not music" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love you Jin!

      You are the best!

    10. Re:"But that's not music" by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      Sorry if you're bitter about wasting your time following in the footsteps of long-dead musicians. Don't get mad at people who listen to truly new music. Notes, shmotes. This is Slashdot, not old-fogey (in mind, anyway) central, shouldn't you be more openminded?

    11. Re:"But that's not music" by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      Think outside your little box of what society has told you music is. When people started making music, don't you think people thought it was weird? When people started plucking strings and blowing into carved tubes and beating on stretched skins? Remember that jazz and rock were both considered noise with no redeeming value when they were new. This has been true of all forms of new music; same thing with art. What makes plucking a piece of metal-wound wire any more valid than generating tones on electronic devices? We've now developed the technology to go beyond the limit of sounds that can be generated in the physical world, and have the capabilites to push sound into barely imagined areas. Do you think we should ignore those possiblities just because it hasn't been done before and because people raised on country or classical or butt-rock don't appreciate it?

      I don't ask you to like this stuff if you don't want to. But can't you accept that it has musical and artistic value to people? The same merits we see lacking in most music we find in experimental music. If anything is not music, it's this corporate-spawned drivel that's so popular now. It may have the parts that people consider necessary in music, but not the creative spirit.

    12. Re:"But that's not music" by general_re · · Score: 1
      But can't you accept that it has musical and artistic value to people?

      Erm, well, sure - in the same sense that I "accept" that cat shit might have food value to some people. But for those same people to expect me to join them in their delusion by agreeing that cat shit does indeed make a tasty and nutritious meal - that's really a bit much.

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    13. Re:"But that's not music" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you probably think the commodore 64's sid chip is shit too, right?

      fucking music elitist.

      if i call it music, it's music. you may not like it, but it's music.

      or put it this way - if this stuff isn't music, then neither is 99% of 'music' out there, because most of it offends me.

      in short, fuck you.

    14. Re:"But that's not music" by RichardX · · Score: 1

      Same thing that was said about Jazz when that was the new sound.

      Same thing that was said about rock when that was the new sound.

      For that matter, same thing that was said about Classical when that was the new sound. I don't remember the specifics (anyone care to fill in?) but IIRC early/primitive music (as I believe is the correct name) only used a subset of the notes we use today. When these fancy-pants upstart noise makers came along with their full scales everyone thought the world was coming to an end.

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    15. Re:"But that's not music" by RichardX · · Score: 1

      Here we go again with the "Yes, but is it art?" issue.

      I personally can't understand why this debate rages on so long. It's a very, very simple issue.

      To determine whether something is art:

      1. Does it mean anything to you?
      Yes: It's probably art.
      No: It's probably not art.

      For example.. let's say you're wandering through a museum, and you come across, say, a toilet seat painted dayglo orange and nailed to the ceiling...

      If your reaction is "Oh. It's a toilet seat. Painted orange and nailed to the ceiling. How unimaginitive" then for you, it's not art.

      If your reaction is to be prompted to thinking about the kinds of every day objects that we take for granted being seen in a new light or an unusual way.. then congratulations. It's touched something in you, and you've experienced art.

      There IS no definitive answer to "This is/isn't art." Because what inspires one person may bore another. The closest you can get is to say that the majority of people will or won't be affected by it.

      It's exactly the same as a movie, or a song. You can't really accurately say "This IS/ISN'T an enjoyable movie" you can only say whether you found it enjoyable.

      Generally speaking, if you're absolutely sure that you can safely denounce something as worthless without experiencing it, then you're probably missing something. There's a remarkable amount of depth, feeling, imagination, and subtlty within the genres of experimental noise.
      Merzbow or Japanese Torture Comedy Hour may be a bit much to start off on, but I defy you to listen to Steve Reich's Different Trains, and not be moved in some way.

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    16. Re:"But that's not music" by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Any jackass can place fish in a blender. HTF does that qualify as art?

    17. Re:"But that's not music" by sahonen · · Score: 1

      Sorry if you're bitter about wasting your time

      If making great money as a session player is wasting my time, I would hate to see what creating crap "music" is.

      following in the footsteps of long-dead musicians.

      They may be long-dead in some cases, but at least they were musicians.

      Don't get mad at people who listen to truly new music.

      I *create* truly new music all the time, it's called a "jam session." You should listen to one some time.

      Notes, shmotes.

      I suppose off-key singing in a karaoke bar is artistic and not simply lack of vocal control. Maybe you collect tapes of bad karaoke so you can hear their brilliant dissonance. Or maybe notes are actually important because they're the foundation upon which music is built.

      This is Slashdot, not old-fogey (in mind, anyway) central, shouldn't you be more openminded?

      At 19 years old, I'm not exactly an "old fogey." I am openminded about new forms of music (and have even played some of them), but you have to draw the line somewhere.

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    18. Re:"But that's not music" by sahonen · · Score: 1

      DANGER, LOGICAL FLAW. People denounced Classical, then Jazz, then Rock as too noisy when they came around, therefore anything that someone says is too noisy will become the new form of popular music. If this happens, I will seriously kill myself. Rap was bad enough, but strange clicking and humming noises blasting from car stereos? Maybe Dr. Kervorkian had it right after all.

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    19. Re:"But that's not music" by OneEyedApe · · Score: 1
      Any jackass can place a fish in a blender.

      But only an "artist" can successfully sell it as art.

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    20. Re:"But that's not music" by RichardX · · Score: 1

      DANGER, LOGICAL FLAW

      No, not in the least.
      I'm neither stating nor implying that if people think of it as unlistenable noise it's destined to become the next big thing.

      In fact, I think everything that needs to be said about this can be summed up thusly

      "One man's poision..."

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    21. Re:"But that's not music" by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Don't forget the band "Art of Noise." =)

      They were about as experimental as Bananarama.

  19. cell phone feedback by gribbly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've had some fun with cellphones recently. Have your cell phone in one hand, and use the other to have a friend's cell phone yours (may as well use his minutes, right?).

    When the call is established, put the cellphones in... er... a 69 position I guess. Microphone to speaker. You should get some pretty cool feedback this way, and you can 'control' it (sort of) by moving the phones around.

    I recently covered the Pixies song "Alec Eiffel" for an online Pixies tribute album (link omitted... don't need the /.-ing), and used my cellphone and answering machine to create some cool noises at the end.

    grib.

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    1. Re:cell phone feedback by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      Heh, wanna e-mail or IM me a link to that pixies tribute? I'm a big fan.

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  20. Printer music by metamatic · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you think that's cool, look for a copy of the CD "Symphony for Dot Matrix Printers" by [The User], as previously discussed on Slashdot. It's excellent.

    Not quite as good, but still worth buying, is "Xerophonics"

    Of course, circuit bending is how popular electronic music started. Kraftwerk were building their own instruments from scavenged parts in 1970.

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    1. Re:Printer music by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      If you are looking for the true granddaddy of electronica, check out Karlheinz Stockhausen. His 1959 album Kontakte is a not much more than a strange mixture of electronic noises, but the roots are definitely there and are strong. It is not for the faint of heart though, as most people would not call it music. :^)

  21. Musique Concrete by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

    If that's all it takes to be called music, then I'm going to record all the noises my car makes and sell a CD of it.

    Actually, there is an entire genre of modern-classical music, Pioneered by Pierre Schaeffer where the music is made primarily, or exclusively from found sound. It celebrated it's 50th anniversary a couple years ago or something.

    A show on a local radio show does Musique Concrete once a month. One of my favorite shows was musick made entirely from train sounds. It's funny that I thought of that from a slashdot article posted earlier today.

    Usually the sounds are manipulated in one way or another.

    The music that this article talks about is not Musique Concrete, but it is experimental music that would probably be appreciated by the same people.

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  22. Theremins and other benders by aacool · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Wonder if anyone remembers the theremin - this was invented by a Soviet scientist Leon Theremin in 1918, it had no strings, no pipes or keys.

    Led Zeppelin used it to great effect. Here is the Beach Boys using it in Good Vibrations

    One would venture to call this a 'bender' device since it is functionally the same as a metal detector, and works by sensing the proximity of the player's hands to the antennae.

    Any other similar devices or early bender apps?

    1. Re:Theremins and other benders by FatalTourist · · Score: 1

      Actually the Beach Boys used a theremin-esque instrument where pitch was mechanically controlled.

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    2. Re:Theremins and other benders by aacool · · Score: 1

      So they bent the theremin?

    3. Re:Theremins and other benders by L3WKW4RM · · Score: 2, Informative
      Wonder if anyone remembers the theremin - this was invented by a Soviet scientist Leon Theremin in 1918, it had no strings, no pipes or keys.

      Absolutely! If you want to build your own, check out the PAiA Theremax or Bob Moog's own Big Briar Etherwave. I've built several of both, and recommend the Big Briar as being a better quality instrument as well as more professional kit. The PAiA has a real geek factor to it though, probably good for Slackware fans ;)

      If you're interested in a cheap but fun project, search the net (or lots of the good circuit bending links in this story comments thread) for a "light theremin". Instead of using heterodyne principles, it gets a similar sound/action by modulating a simple oscilator using infrared light sensors that you can still play with your hands.

      If you're really interested...there's a huge Synth DIY community on the net, from people that build giant modulars from scratch, to simple kits from the above mentioned PAiA all the way to the completely badassed and never-ending MOTM (MOTher of all Modulars, Module Of The Month).

    4. Re:Theremins and other benders by S.Lemmon · · Score: 1

      I always thought that while a thereamin's sound itself is pretty limited, a thereamin-like control device would be great fun. Especially attached to effect devices or filters.

    5. Re:Theremins and other benders by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      I built a PAiA Theremin from kit form in 1979. It was a pretty neat instrument.

      I attempted to build one from scratch a few years before that. But that was when I was a kid in H.S. and didn't have good soldering skills, etc. Plus that earlier-design theremin used 'coils.' I can't remember the number of times when I was a kid that I looked at the schematic for a project and was disappointed that it used a coil. Dunno why I was so afraid of winding coils, but probably because they're fussier to make than slapping in resistors, capacitors, and transistors.

      My first electronic musical instrument was an electronic organ I built, using the schematic for the Code Practice Oscillator in a Boy Scout merit badge pamphlet. I build the 'oscillator' and then figured out 'I can change the resistor and it varies pitch' and then 'I can build eight or ten 'keys' for my code practice oscillator, all which put a different resistor value in the circuit. That was in fifth grade. Back in the 60's.

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    6. Re:Theremins and other benders by FatalTourist · · Score: 1

      So they bent the theremin?

      Well, it's theremin-esque simply due to it's portamento sine wave sound. So kinda-sorta would be my answer. :)

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  23. Industrial by Frennzy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I read all the comments to this point, and saw no mention of industrial.

    It started at least 15 years ago (though some other versions may have started earlier)...in Germany.

    They recorded (sampled) industrial noise, and mixed it together with vocals, percussion (indeed, some bands used the sampled noises AS vocals and percussion) to make music. Skinny Puppy is a great example.

    Just thought I'd bring it up.

    1. Re:Industrial by HeavensTrash · · Score: 1

      Actually, industrial music goes way back, but generally Throbbing Gristle are thought to be the fathers of the genre due to the fact that they formed the record label "Industrial Records".
      Throbbing gristle and most of the Industrial movement of the 70's were infact *NOT* german, they were for the most part british. German influence didn't come around until later when ebm came on the scene.

      That weren't necessarily the first Industrial band, there were quite a few at the time, but they were one of the more popular ones. The band actually came together around '75 or so, which is more like 30 years ago, and before that they were a performance art troup called Coum Transmissions.

      By definition, the *true* meaning of Industrial music was to create music that is not influenced by Blues. Basically, it was a rebellion against music in itself. Punk at the time was rebelling against 70's stadium rock, but it was still rock; Industrial music took it one step further. So, basically, Industrial music *IS* noise, and what these guys are doing basically is in the true spirit of Industrial.

      Now, on the other hand, Skinny Puppy formed in '83 in Canada, which was 21 years ago.

      Also, it is a common misconception that Industrial music for some reason has samples of factories and such... I'm not sure where that came from, I'm just assuming people are thinking this because of the name of the genre. Maybe someone has done it, but that's not what defines an industrial song at all.

      Ok, I'm done now

    2. Re:Industrial by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      Right on. I was about to post pretty much this exact message, but you beat me to it.

      I do agree that Skinny Puppy was a *fantastic* band, but they'd be technically post-industrial.

    3. Re:Industrial by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      I thought 'Industrial' started with Throbbing Gristle, in the U.K.

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    4. Re:Industrial by Frennzy · · Score: 1

      Good stuff. Thanks for sharing...It's good to see this many people who not only 'get it', but know more about it and can share. (NFF) --(Non facetious flag)

    5. Re:Industrial by g1bb0ns · · Score: 1

      you fellow puppsters might like to know that ogre and cevin have decided to reform the skinny puppy project, with a new album to be released may 24th, with a euro and american tour immediatly following. www.litany.net

  24. Ethno Techno Squeako Skweeko by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

    That is worse than techno. I mean, it sounds like someone took a cat and pluged said cat into the wall. That isn't music, it is noise.

    I haven't checked out the sites yet, does that mean they have mp3s to download (look of excitement).

    You probably wouldn't like the song Ethno Techno Squeako Skweeko by God is my Co-Pilot. It is a 3 minute song that sounds kinda like Techno, but with Clarinet and lots of squeaky toys.

    Some people find it annoying but it is one of my favorite songs of theirs. Most of their music I would describe as noisey punk rock.

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    1. Re:Ethno Techno Squeako Skweeko by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Yes, they do have mp3's to download, and while I may not like the music you linked to (it will not currently load for me) I bet it aleast sounds like music. Hell, it has Clarinets in it and I used to play one. :->

      Besides, not all techno is bad. Some of the 0db sections of techno sound GREAT!!!! :->

    2. Re:Ethno Techno Squeako Skweeko by alib001 · · Score: 1

      There's a page of "circuit bending" MP3s here

      Although I'll warn you in advance that you may be overcome with an overwhelming desire to:

      • Run from the room clawing at your head whilst screaming: "My ears! MY BEAUTIFUL EARS!"
      • Join the Amish.

      Gotta go - I've got apologies to make to my speakers.

    3. Re:Ethno Techno Squeako Skweeko by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

      Hell, it has Clarinets in it and I used to play one

      You might not appreciate the way it is played by them but yea, I love reed instruments, and I bought myself a Clarinet and have been wanting to learn to play it.

      Also out of curiosity, have you ever listened to John Zorn, who is probably more famous for noise projects, but also does some really cool Klezmer-Jazz music?

      Even in the noise projects I think he primarily plays Saxophone.

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  25. (C) + few possible melodies = chilling effect by tepples · · Score: 1

    Okay, so most music has a bit of repetition in it, so let's say the verse lasts 30 seconds out of that song. You still have 1.5 x 10^54 possible verses.

    True, but different verses may still sound roughly the same. Though your melody has several dozen notes in it, a judge will often take only about eight of them when determining what melodies are "substantially similar" for copyright purposes. Now you're down to under six million melodies. Compare that to how many songs have been written (over 4.5 million in BMI's repertory alone), and you get the depressing result of the article "A Chilling Effect on Music".

  26. A Mic, a Grinder - now that's Awful by rueger · · Score: 1

    Famous noise artist G.X Jupitter-Larsen, when performing with his band, The Haters (who celebrated their 25th Anniversary last month), used to hold a live microphone against an electric grinder.

    At maximum amplification.

    Until it stopped working.

    As GX is fond of saying...

    A xylowave occurs everytime an effect has no cause, or a cause has no effect.

  27. Hard Drives as speakers? by Jestrzcap · · Score: 2, Funny

    Check this link out
    http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~hsakr/hdspeakers/hdspea kers.htm

    I saw this a while back, you gotta check out the movies clips.

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  28. Experimental Hand-made Instruments by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also, if you like instruments that you hold in your hand, here is a gallery of all sorts of really weird instruments.

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  29. *not* the official web site by bossert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Needless to say, something as odd as circuit bending doesn't have an "official" web site. However, the person widely credited with starting and popularizing circuit bending is Reed Ghazala, and his site is http://www.anti-theory.com/. Got to give credit where credit is due, folks... More information on bending and other amazing experimental musical instruments is available at http://www.oddmusic.com.

  30. Aphex Twin Anyone? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

    Does this remind anyone of Aphex Twin? He created a couple of albums using analog toys and circuits, including the sounds of the programs recorded on cassette tapes for the ZX-Spectrum computer (people from Europe will know what I am talking about), that was my first computer by the way a whooping 3.5 Mhz with 48K or ram.

  31. DMCA violations galore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    None of these non-standard uses are authorised by the patent holders. I'm notifying each and every one of the manufacturers about these blatant violations of the DMCA.

    1. Re:DMCA violations galore. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i don't know whether to laugh at you or knee you in the ballsac.

  32. Translation: by alib001 · · Score: 1

    Happens I know a little Keyboardese...

    KEYBOARD: "Arghh! It hurts! It hurts! Oh the pain!"

  33. Current 93 in the Talking Christmas Tree by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

    Were Teddy Ruxpins still around when Enter Sandman came out?

    Reminds me of at a place where I worked they had a toy singing Christmas Tree. I can't stand Christmas Music for personal reasons, but to make a long story short I really wanted to put in a tape of Current 93, especially their gothic folk music stuff. (Not as much for the spooky noise. Falling Back in Fields of Rape might be appropriate.)

    Never did it. Would probably get me fired. Example Lyrics. I particularly like Hourglass which has accoustic guitar, flute, chello, violin, and really intense vocals.

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    1. Re:Current 93 in the Talking Christmas Tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you still around when I came out of your mom?

      Reminds of at a palce where your mom worked they had a real humping donkey. I can't stand donkey shows for personal reasons, but to make a long story short I really wanted to put in a dog too, especially for your mothers stuff. (Not as much for the spooky noise. Falling Back in Dogs of Rape might be appropriate.)

      Never did it. Would probably get her opened up like a prom date. Example Pictures. I particularly like seeing her taken from behind.

    2. Re:Current 93 in the Talking Christmas Tree by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      Wow, the anonymous cowards are out in force tonight, aren't they (referring to the first replies to both your post and to mine)? How peevish they are.

    3. Re:Current 93 in the Talking Christmas Tree by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

      Wow, the anonymous cowards are out in force tonight, aren't they (referring to the first replies to both your post and to mine)? How peevish they are.

      Yea, I would have left for a party an hour ago but I enjoy discussing experimental music almost as much as I do listening to it.

      OMIGOD! LOOK!

      I thought I saw Bakunin's ghost... realistically, though, I probably didn't.

      Goodnight everyone!

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    4. Re:Current 93 in the Talking Christmas Tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, your sister cowered when I forced into her tonight, didn't she (referring to the first stuffing to both her cunt and her anus)? How pryed open she was.

    5. Re:Current 93 in the Talking Christmas Tree by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 1

      Wow, your sister cowered when I forced into her tonight, didn't she (referring to the first stuffing to both her cunt and her anus)? How pryed open she was.

      Yea, I would have left for a party an hour ago but I enjoy dick sucking my mother almost as much as I do having her suck it.

    6. Re:Current 93 in the Talking Christmas Tree by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 1

      I have to appologize for that... I just wanted to see if I could do one of these too... It turned out aweful, and I'm ashamed I even tried.

  34. Casio VL-Tone by ktakki · · Score: 1

    Oh, the fun I used to have with a Casio VL-Tone twenty or so years ago. I was playing keyboards in a sort of psychedelic funk band (think XTC meets Parliament) and though my main keyboards were a Farfisa Mini-Compact, a Roland Juno 106, and an Ensoniq Mirage, a pair of VL-Tones were part of my gear.

    Despite tone generators worthy of a Nokia cell phone, a rhythm box that made a 606 sound like John Bonham, and a four-banger calculator to boot, they sounded like God's Own Voice when run through a Roland Space Echo, an Electro Harmonix Memory Man, various fuzz boxes and guitar effect pedals, and an Ampeg bass amp driving an 18" speaker.

    For purely visual effect, I'd have my roadies duct tape one to each of my forearms for that Casio Borg effect. We used the cheesy rhythm box sounds as a click track for one of our songs (our drummer was steady enough to keep in sync without a headphone feed).

    Playing melodies on those tiny chicklet keys was a bitch, though, especially after a few backstage drinks.

    k.

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  35. Yesterday's News by Tiro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am getting tired of reading yesterday's nytimes stories on /. This article was released twenty-four hours ago on NY Times Online, and has been in print all day.

    1. Re:Yesterday's News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... that's what slashdot does, it links to stories on other websites.

    2. Re:Yesterday's News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, and I missed it because I wasn't in New York today.

      Have some pity for us on the other side of the world. If it's an interesting story, I want to read about it, regardless of the source.

  36. I was doing this when I was a kid by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was in 4th grade or so, I had one of those "Little Professor" calculators from Texas Instruments which I decided to abuse with a sottering iron one day for shits and giggles. After messing around for a little bit, I found by reconnecting the transistors I could get it to make different sounds controlled by the keys. Suffice to say, it was very limited, but fun to play with for about a week.

    Funny how this is suddenly a fad.

    1. Re:I was doing this when I was a kid by S.Lemmon · · Score: 1

      TI did a lot of early speech synthesis stuff. The first computer I ever had was a TI/994a with the speech synthesizer module. I've no idea how it worked, but it wasn't simple PCM sound. You could feed it random data and it would produce all kinds of bizarre pings, gulps, croaks, wooden sounding knocks, and other interesting sounds. I guess it must have used some kind of algorithmic method of making sounds rather than just stringing sampled allophones together.

    2. Re:I was doing this when I was a kid by thrash242 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's been around for a long time, since at least the 80s in serious experimental music. It's just now been seen fit to post on Slashdot to be mocked by everyone, that's all.

      There are whole genres of music, like glitch and noise that make use of things like this regularly.

  37. F1 Engine music by alib001 · · Score: 1

    Formula One company Asiatech made one of their engines play The Saints Go Marching In".

    Details here (at the bottom).

  38. OT!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you stupid mods even read the first sentence of the article? Oh, right, I must be new here :P

    Forget about hacking your Gameboy -- what about cat toys or Teddy Ruxpins? Any of these is fair game to a circuit bending hobbyist.

  39. How many remember Boston - the band that is by humidors · · Score: 1

    Here were a bunch of MIT grads that did just this...and everyone loved them at the time. Sure they included guitars and other equipment but they always had the BENT deal....

    1. Re:How many remember Boston - the band that is by humidors · · Score: 1

      And that was just the well known band...others did it but just didn't make it.

  40. Destroy all humans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay... since when is "destroy all humans" considered insightful? Funny, maybe, but insightful!?

    Oh well. I guess that only the trolls are left here to moderate this late on a Friday night...

    1. Re:Destroy all humans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay... since when does anyone want to listen to someone whining about somebody receiving one mod point? YOU NEED TO GET LAID

      WHEN YOU HAVE MOD POINTS. YOU CAN MOD. UNTIL THEN, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

  41. No, only Tom Scholz was an MIT grad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The others were just regular musicians.

  42. Printer music, Xerophonics, and Droplift by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

    Anyone still subscribed to Emusic.com can download Symphony #2 for Dot Matrix Printers as well as Xerophonics.

    Also, a project everyone can download for free is Droplift which is created by multiple peole inspired by Negativland. (Of whom everyone should have downloaded their illegal U2 single by now. It's about a little dog named Snuggles.)

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  43. future purposes by TechnoFreek · · Score: 1

    It doesn't look like much now, but I can't wait to see where it goes. Imagine working at a toy store, and posititioning Tim the Talking Teddy squashed under a stack of boxes, begging, "Please help me... I don't want to die." I don't see any real meaningful non-entertainment purposes to it, but I sure as hell wish I could reprogram my little brother's talking dolls to say, "bitch, ima fuck yo' ass up!"

  44. hacking "barbie radio" toy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there's this "barbie radio" toy that I've been dying to hack... whenever I go down the barbie isle with my girlfriend, I usually press the buttons of the toys to all go off at once just to mess with her... and one day, I realized this barbie radio toy had really good chiptunes playing (if you can ignore the barbie voice going "hey, cool!" randomly... something I'd definitely like to remove). some of the songs sound like they were lifted straight out of a megaman game for the NES. it'd be pretty cool to do what these guys are doing with circuit bending... but... it would be even cooler if I could write my own tunes for the hardware. any ideas?

  45. egads by senatorpjt · · Score: 1

    I can't tell what's going on here.

    Either they're trying to prevent filesharing by making crap that nobody would ever bother to download... ... or they're trying to defeat the RIAA by creating "music" that sounds just like the deliberately corrupted mp3's on KaZaA.

  46. Well by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    To be music, I think that sequence of sounds needs to strike you as something more than just noise. I mean I suppose I could go into a technical definition of how tones relate to each other, the classical 12-note to an octave scale is NOT an arbitrary decision but relates to how sound waves work, but it's kind of lengthy for a ./ post. Basically, there is more to being music than just making noise. I mean I can play an executable as PCM or PWM data, that doesn't make the resulting noise music.

    I think industrial music is an excellent example of the difference between moise and music. It started through the sampling of sound from industry (as in factores, foundries and such) and the use of that in music. This was applied with some impressive results, eg Skinny Puppy. However while that is music, you'd be hard pressed to walk in to an actual factory and listen to the random sounds in there and call THAT music.

    Just because someone screws around and lays something to a track doesn't make it music. That doesn't mean that music can't be changed by experimentation, but just because you are experimenting with sound doesn't mean you are creating music.

    1. Re:Well by psiphre · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. this is perhaps the most eloquent explanation of this concept I have ever read.

    2. Re:Well by RichardX · · Score: 1

      Very well put point, however..

      I mean I can play an executable as PCM or PWM data, that doesn't make the resulting noise music.

      Very true. I've experimented with something similar myself, loading NES roms into an oldschool MOD composer. 19 times out of 20 I ended up with completely uninspiring chaos, or a crashed program. But that other 1 time out of 20 made it worthwhile. It's the old monkeys and typewriters thing - generate enough random noise and you'll find something interesting eventually.

      The thing I find fascinating, however, about reusing data in ways it was never intended (such as turning ROM files into music) is that it's not entirely random. There's art in there. Data structures that exist in the file, such as sprites and background images, or map layouts. These have a humanly created form to them, and thus produce different effects to pure random data.

      To my mind, one of the most important factors of music is that it's a balance between order and chaos. Either extreme is boring - Pure order is silence, and pure chaos is white noise. Neither makes for good listening. It's the interaction and play between the two that makes things interesting - pushing something to the brink of chaos, then, when disaster seems inevitable ,and everything's about to collapse into a chaotic mess, pulling it back from the edge..

      This is only one of many factors that go into music, but I think it's one of the less considered ones.

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    3. Re:Well by Threni · · Score: 1

      > To be music, I think that sequence of sounds needs to strike you as something more
      > than just noise.

      I think you meant `what I call music needs...`. Don't speak for me.

      Go and check out some Stockhausen, Cage, Boulez, Varese, Berio and Webern and then come back and talk about music, yes?

  47. Worth listening... by bano+(O_o) · · Score: 1
    (A little bit off-topic, though)


    A track made with windows(TM)sounds only.

  48. Re:Wow, That's Awful . . . not! by v8media · · Score: 1
    I'm kind of surprised how many people just write off things like this. One of the reasons this is Slashdot-worthy is that when you bend many of these devices and plug them into an amplifier, they can make far better sounds than the original toy. Not just subjectively, well, never mind, that would definitely be subjective. I have a really cheapo toy keyboard that sounds horrible normally, but when you plug it in, it is a completely different thing. When plugged in, I definitely consider it an instrument, otherwise, merely a toy.

    With the great sound of some of these toys once bent, if you listen to just "normal" music, I'm sure there are some bent instruments slipped in. If you listen to any electronic music, the probability is almost 100% that you've been liking the sounds of these things already, possibly even as some of the main instruments in your favorite tracks.

    Bands like Nine Inch Nails, Meat Beat Manifesto, and I'm sure many others use these things in their music. Some of the people I have been doing visuals for have been using bent instruments and I've been playing with them for a while now. You'd never know that toys were making some of the sounds. I would assume that everything was created somehow on the computer if I didn't know better from firsthand experience.

  49. The truth about circuit bending... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

    It is true that it is possible for some people to do some interesting things.

    However, that isn't the case most of the time. Usually these people have little or no electronics knowledge. Instead, they do a lot of drugs and poke around the live circuits with spare bits of wire.

    At the end of it, all they're left with is some broken toys and hopefully a recording of an oscillator burning up as it's shorted to something else.

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  50. Self's Gizmodgery - The Toy Instrument Album by everdave · · Score: 1

    A band called Self (www.selfies.com) has already created and released an entirely toy-instrument based album titled "Gizmodgery" - search Amazon for it. It was released on Dreamworks in 2002. The US version is out of print, but the Japanese import is still available. It is a brilliant album of REAL songs, not jokes and I would recommend checking it out. Check www.selfies.com, they may have some downloads available.

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  51. c64 was doing this years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok, not as early on as some of the industrial bands, but the c64 had a program that would play music using the stepper motor of the 1541 floppy drive. i even think there was an amiga version too.

  52. New Tapes for Teddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought that creating new tapes for Teddy Ruxpin would be fun. Just figure out the signal to move the mouth and then record some soft of porn type tape and have him move his mouth to the words. They killed the doll from the market before I had a chance to get that project going. Dang....

  53. Reminds me of the Self CD "Gizmodgery" by uberchicken · · Score: 1

    Every instrument on this album is a toy.

    Gizmodgery

  54. Speaking of Making Music out of Toys... by Greenisus · · Score: 1

    There's an album by Self called Gizmodgery. It was made entirely with Fisher Price toys. It's pretty hard to find, but definitely worth the effort. Here are a couple of reviews:

    here's one

    here's another

  55. Nicolas Collins teaching a 3 Week Workshop in June by iTichy · · Score: 1

    I saw a portion of Nicolas Collins' entertaining workshop at the Tank last night in NYC. Incredibly fun and interesting stuff no matter which side of the noise versus music argument you find yourself, particularly if you are curious about hacking CD players, licking circuit boards, etc... Mr. Collins is an assistant professor at the Art Institute of Chicago and Editor-in-Chief for the LMJ and is teaching a 3-week workshop on Circuit Bending in June. I haven't been able to find any links to the workshop just yet.

  56. Re:Wow, That's Awful . . . not! by petsounds · · Score: 1

    yeah..Matmos, the electronic group who did a lot of the beat programming for Bjork's last album Vespertine, are big into circuit bending. I mean, for electronic-focused music, there's only so many things you can do with an 808. More groups are breaking out of the confines of dance music, and I think that's a Good Thing.

  57. Noise by Anarcho-Goth · · Score: 1

    I haven't gotten into Japanese noise yet, but have heard of it. When I was on emusic.com I did download a couple of various artists noise albums that included Japanese artists.

    What I can say is that a performance of an Oakland project Noisegate is also in my top 10 performances. It was so loud I had earplugs and my hands over my ears for the entire 30 minutes of their performance. You didn't exactly listen to it as much as feel it. They had a guitar and two keyboardists (I think) but you wouldn't be able to tell there was a guitar from listening to a recording of it.

    Noise isn't high on my music priorities, but there are some noise projects that do really impress me.

    I'll have to check out this Merzbow project. Thanks.

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    1. Re:Noise by thrash242 · · Score: 1

      Merzbow isn't to everyone's taste, to put it mildly, but I like him. Another good one is Dissecting Table. Also from Japan and very harsh, but a little more structured. Some of it sounds kind of like electonic death metal. Masonna is similar to Merzbow's harsher moments and then Aube (I think that's the name) is cool too, most albums are centered around one sound source that's manipulated and varied throughout: water dripping in one, something else in another.

      And yeah, the Merzbow performance I saw (only one in Texas ever that I know of) was loud and he blew out the PA speakers in the first five minutes. Had to take a break while they brought in more. Earplugs would have been a good idea, but I didn't think of it.

  58. incorrect info. by g1bb0ns · · Score: 1

    the official site would be anti-theory.com the homepage to the man who created/coined circuit bending..Reed Ghazala