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Cisco's LEAP Authentication Cracked

mtrisk writes "Just a day after Cisco released a security warning about its WLSE access point management tool, a tool to crack wi-fi networks using LEAP authentication has been released, reports Wi-Fi Networking News. The tool, called Asleap and developed by Beyond-Security, actively de-authenticates users, sniffs the network when the user re-auntheticates, and performs an offline dictionary attack upon the password."

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  1. Not Cisco's week by Novanix · · Score: 5, Informative

    Man to say this isn't Cisco's week would be an understatement. It can also read saved libpcap and airopeek captures. It also can save the required data only to a file for later processing so you can use it on a Palm or WinCE device. Also, for those who just want to get started: Windows Binary | Source.

    1. Re:Not Cisco's week by nova2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Better links: Windows | Source

    2. Re:Not Cisco's week by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Man to say this isn't Cisco's week would be an understatement. It can also read saved libpcap and airopeek captures

      Yeah it's been a bad week for Cisco but they aren't Microsoft. They won't ignore these problems. You'll see firmware updates to fix the password problem in a week tops (if it isn't already out). I suspect you'll also see an update to address the LEAP issues.

      The only reason to buy Cisco after all (in my experience -- I'm sure the detractors will speak up the minute I click post) is for the support.

      I recall a strange off the wall problem I had using an ISDN line card in a 2600 series router a couple of years back. The line card wouldn't co-exist nicely with the 56k DSU/CSU line card in the other slot. After a few days the ISDN interface would choke and die and the router would need to be rebooted.

      After working with our vendor's (Ingram Micro) Cisco support group and trying about a million different IOS upgrades they referenced us to Cisco -- the Cisco that we didn't even have a support contract with. They actually flew somebody out (we are on the East Coast) to look at the problem and released a specific IOS upgrade to address that issue once they confirmed it.

      Do you think Microsoft would do that for the small time Insurance Agency with one large router (and a couple of smaller ones in our remote offices)? A lousy $6,000 router at that (money for us -- pocket change for Cisco). That's support and that's the reason why I will continue to buy Cisco products even if they are insanely overpriced.

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    3. Re:Not Cisco's week by dave_t_brown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah it's been a bad week for Cisco but they aren't Microsoft. They won't ignore these problems. You'll see firmware updates to fix the password problem in a week tops (if it isn't already out). I suspect you'll also see an update to address the LEAP issues.

      Except that they've known about this problem for months, and the security flaw is not entirely inherent in the protocol. Forcing users to choose strong passwords will provide significantly more protection to a "LEAP-protected" networks than any patch that Cisco could issue for LEAP.

      I am entirely unenlightened on EAP-FAST, Cisco's replacement for LEAP, but I'm pretty sure it would be a significant deployment effort for IT to upgrade both the infrastructure and the client devices.

    4. Re:Not Cisco's week by JackAsh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah it's been a bad week for Cisco but they aren't Microsoft. They won't ignore these problems. You'll see firmware updates to fix the password problem in a week tops (if it isn't already out). I suspect you'll also see an update to address the LEAP issues.

      Read the article - the LEAP problem was reported to them in AUGUST 2003.

      I agree they are not a Microsoft, and they are generally much more responsive, but how would you feel if you had over the past six months implemented a major, wonderful, well protected Cisco LEAP wireless network? Only to receive the news that "yeah, we kinda knew since August our security sucked" (for the record, I am NOT in that situation, but LEAP was a contender for our upcoming wi-fi implementation).

      Honestly, Bruce Schneier was recently saying that it's no longer about the crypto, as anyone can do strong crypto these days. It's about the factors around it, like usernames and passwords, physical security, but most of all, implementation. You'd think that something which was hailed at the time as the solution to the broken WEP protocol would be partially secure... Ugh. Now I'm just ranting.

      -Jack Ash

    5. Re:Not Cisco's week by ca1v1n · · Score: 3, Informative

      They've known for a long time that LEAP is inherently flawed, and no patch can fix it. That said, it's a hell of a lot simpler to deploy than more secure things like EAP-TLS. This attack still requires an offline brute force decryption attempt. Granted, it may be a highly accelerated brute force decryption attempt, but if you don't allow your users to use passwords that are vulnerable to dictionary attacks, LEAP is Good Enough for many purposes.

  2. Insight appreciated? by monstroyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a small business, i use a Linksys wireless router. Cisco now owns Linksys. Can anyone alleviate my "phears" and tell me that this vulnerability is more for the hardware found in big companies like Bell Canada, and not my WEP 64 wireless? I'd really appreciate a summary of what all the fuss is about and how it affects people who don't run mega corps. Thanks.

    1. Re:Insight appreciated? by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not sure I can alleviate all your concerns, however...

      The easiest way to see if you are affected by this issue is to get the model number of your access point, and go to the Linksys website. See what capabilities your AP has, and if the AP supports the LEAP authentication protocol.

      If it does not, you are probably immune to this particular disorder. Beyond that I would say do not manage your AP over the wifi connection, without another encryption, and if possible disable login to the AP from the Internet. Beyond that I would recomend getting a good book on WiFi security, some have been reviewed here, though how good they are, I can't really judge.

      -Rusty

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    2. Re:Insight appreciated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your WEP 64 is already trivial to defeat with sufficient captured data (numbers fail me at the moment.. though something tells me that it may be in the many hundreds of megs captured).

      Moreso if your router is older and produces the 'weak' packets that programs like Kismet detect (in which case, hundreds of megs becomes hundreds of kilobytes :-P )

    3. Re:Insight appreciated? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Informative
      Cisco now owns Linksys. Can anyone alleviate my "phears" and tell me that this vulnerability is more for the hardware found in big companies like Bell Canada, and not my WEP 64 wireless?

      This is for Cisco wireless products (their Aironet series for example), not Linksys products. I'm sure they're still pretty seperate companies even though Linksys may be a wholly owned subsidiary. i.e. Linksys access points don't run IOS (hell, some run Linux). Plus, your Linksys box wouldn't support LEAP anyway. Now, the problem with you is that 64-bit WEP is already easy to crack with enough data so it's a thin veil of security, nothing more. Don't rely on it to encrypt your traffic! If you're doing anything that needs encryption then use higher layers like SSL or even IPSEC.

    4. Re:Insight appreciated? by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Informative
      As a small business, i use a Linksys wireless router. Cisco now owns Linksys. Can anyone alleviate my "phears" and tell me that this vulnerability is more for the hardware found in big companies like Bell Canada, and not my WEP 64 wireless? I'd really appreciate a summary of what all the fuss is about and how it affects people who don't run mega corps. Thanks.

      I haven't seen any Linksys hardware that uses LEAP but I haven't bought or used any since Cisco bought them out -- not out of distrust or dislike of Cisco -- just haven't had the chance or reason to.

      I have used LEAP before in the Aironet 350 series AP from Cisco. My hunch says that LEAP is still limited to the Aironet line (Linksys is more targetted at home users while Aironet is for Enterprises) but I could be wrong. In any case I wouldn't call your Linksys AP secure just because it doesn't support LEAP. There are other ways to break WEP/mac address protection that have been discussed here before.

      I purposely leave an AP on my home network. I figure it's an easy out if I get busted for downloading mp3s or Windows source code ;)

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    5. Re:Insight appreciated? by FauxPasIII · · Score: 5, Informative

      > hardware found in big companies like Bell Canada, and not my WEP 64 wireless

      Correct; asleap won't crack your network. However, airsnort will.

      http://airsnort.shmoo.com/

      So far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a link-layer security protocol for wireless made yet that
      hasn't been cracked. That's why I run ipsec.

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    6. Re:Insight appreciated? by ph4s3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First of all, don't use WEP. Many many articles about it being broken have been written. At a minimum you should be running a linksys with at least v1.41 (1.42?) of the firmware and be using the WPA security.

      If you're doing anything that needs real encryption, such as administering anything requiring strong passwords or doing financial transactions, you should be researching a VPN layer or something along those lines.

      Along the same lines, this seems to open up a new service category... VPN service authentication... Allow you to get a secure link from wherever you are physically at back to the VPN point. Protect your packets from being sniffed (and usable) by wire or wireless. Anyone seen this type of thing? I've only seen server+client side implementation, never an auth service.

    7. Re:Insight appreciated? by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How much damage can be done if somebody cracks your WEP? I am not particularly worried if someone is using my connection as much as I am worried that someone will get my private information like credit card numbers. If I only use machines on the wired LAN to keep and transmit private data, does that protect me?

    8. Re:Insight appreciated? by FauxPasIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > How much damage can be done if somebody cracks your WEP?

      If somebody breaks into your WEP, they can do anything that any machine on your LAN can do. That is, they can sniff your traffic, they can access any internal servers that use only IP address checking for security (NFS is commonly set up this way) and they can use your connection to the net. The latter is more serious than you might think; for instance, what if they launch a DDoS, port-scan a bank, or serve child pornography from your IP address?

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    9. Re:Insight appreciated? by Superfly_rh · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a small business, i use a Linksys wireless router. Cisco now owns Linksys. Can anyone alleviate my "phears" and tell me that this vulnerability is more for the hardware found in big companies like Bell Canada, and not my WEP 64 wireless? I'd really appreciate a summary of what all the fuss is about and how it affects people who don't run mega corps. Thanks.

      The vulnerability is if you use 802.1X authentication with the LEAP protocol.

      The Access Point doesn't have a security flaw in it, the LEAP protocol does. If you have a Radius server that is configured to do LEAP and you have a wireless supplicant that supports LEAP and a wireless card that works with that supplicant, then you can do LEAP.

      It used to only be the Cisco cards that could do LEAP, but I've noticed that changing lately.

      But, you have a 64 bit WEP network, probably not doing 802.1x. I'd worry about that. And the thing is, that's worse than having a network secured with the security flawed LEAP protocol. You have no authentication and probably no key rotation going on. WEP is known to be horribly flawed. With LEAP you at least has authentication (although proven to be crackable by an offline dictionary attack) and WEP key rotation.

      At least try and upgrade to WPA-PSK, with TKIP or AES. WPA w/Radius and TKIP or AES is preferred though. Some people say to use VPN's instead. I don't like that idea much... but that's just me, it seems to work great for some people.

  3. When it rains, it pours... by bfg9000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What are these guys, the Microsoft of hardware?

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    1. Re:When it rains, it pours... by PoopJuggler · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wouldnt that make them Microhard?

  4. So I guess... by ForestGrump · · Score: 2

    Wifi is once again unsecure.

    -Grump

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  5. dictionary attack? by Njovich · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure, this is a well done cracking tool, but isn't "cracked" a bit sensationalistic considering it still requires brute forcing the password? The weakness remains the password here, hardly the authentication scheme... good luck dictionary attacking a good password!

    1. Re:dictionary attack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, let me tell you, a dictionary attack WILL break a cisco router in seconds, every time.

      Of course, not just any dictionary will do: you need a dictionary with not only simple English words, but with long definitions and even off-beat, obsolete words.

      Routers are quiet small in the scheme of things, and they really can't stand up to a quick beating by, let's say the Oxford English dictionary, especially if the router is opened up and the electronics are exposed. No, those little dictionaries you get with a subscription to Time magazine won't do (after all, Time's vocabulary is pretty light-weight to begin with).

      However, a quality rack-mounted cisco router will likely be protected in a secure data center or other secure closet. in that case, you'll have to take all the words in the dictionary and hash them up. And if the users aren't dumb, they'll pick tough passwords. It can take many years (or even decades) to successfully attack quality passwords.

      I think the physical dictionary attack is the easier approach. Unless you permit your users to choose stupid passwords (like mine: "17Trees")

    2. Re:dictionary attack? by MBAFK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "good luck dictionary attacking a good password"

      The time to brute force the password is a combination of many factors not just the strength (length and composition) of the password. The amount of resources avaible to compute the hashes and the complexity of the algorithm used to create the hashes have a large effect on how long it will take to compute a match.

      In this age it is becoming possible to precompute the hashes and then look them up, in that case the "strength" of the password becomes less important.

  6. Cool. Now there's a laugh by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cos the very very large corporation which I very recently used to work for has just rolled out Cisco based wireless across *all* of it's sites worldwide.

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    1. Re:Cool. Now there's a laugh by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 3, Funny
      I think I know where you used to work, unless the company I used to work for did the same thing =P

      Woh, imagine that! Two different companies using wireless products from Cisco. What are the odds of that!?

    2. Re:Cool. Now there's a laugh by BlackHorse · · Score: 2, Funny

      I meant a "major" company "just" rolling out Cisco wireless to "all" locations.

  7. Yeah but, don't worry. by FreeLinux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because if you are using a Cisco network it is self-defending, self-securing and self-healing. No, really. I saw it on TV.

    They had this little girl on the computer and she like, downloaded a worm. But, the network saw it and popped up a message on her screan that the worm was there. Then it said that it was like, isolating the worm and everything. Then it like, popped up another message that said the worm had been destroyed. It was like, way cool and I didn't even know that Cisco like, made antivirus software.

    Of course the above is a joke but, what is not funny is that the television advertisement is well done and likely to be very influential to the typical PHB who will buy it hook, line and sinker.

    1. Re:Yeah but, don't worry. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      And like, the router was like BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP and then it crashed, it was a really good config too.

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    2. Re:Yeah but, don't worry. by slash-tard · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well Cisco does have some of the best HA hardware available. I think that qualifies for self healing. They also have 4 hour turn around on hardware repairs if you want to pay for it.

      Cisco also has IDS software that will detect intrusions and update access lists on the appropriate routers on the fly. I think that qualifies for self securing and defending.

    3. Re:Yeah but, don't worry. by porkus · · Score: 3, Informative

      What this commercial is really about is the Cisco Security Agent they are selling now. Comes preinstalled on some of their products, like the AVVID CallManager. It hooks into the system libraries and watches call sequences for potential virus/worm/trojan-related activity and stops the application from running if it detects something that fits the profile.

  8. Crypto subsystems are notoriously difficult... by Svartalf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's WHY you really, really ought to have a cryptologist design your subsystems if at all possible. If it's not possible, you need to have them AUDIT it at the very least. Suffice it to say, each and every one of the wireless designs so far seem to be fairly flawed- and I don't believe that a single one was designed by or audited by a competent cryptographer (Someone like Schneier comes immediately to mind- never mind how expensive this sort of person will be for you with the design work or an audit, the embarassment and increased liability for exploits on the system make it far, far more expensive to NOT hire them...).

    I'm a fairly competant amateur- I know better than to assume anything I or anyone else that's not an SME produces in this arena is anything but vulnerable until proven otherwise.

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    1. Re:Crypto subsystems are notoriously difficult... by ballwall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's another thing that I don't understand. Why use yet another method of encryption for wireless? Why can't the AP or router behind it be set up for a VPN. My company doesn't trust the internet, so it uses a VPN. If you don't trust your WIFI link, why not use a VPN?

      This is the setup I have at home:
      My AP is connected to it's own NIC in my router box (running linux). The DHCP server on the box will give people coming over that interface non-routable IPs, and iptables is configured to drop everything not going to the router from that interface. If a user attempts to go to a web page iptables routes the traffic to the routers web server which tells them how to set up a VPN, if they have a username/pass (my gf is always messing it up, so she needs instructions :) ). Once VPNing to the router you're given an IP on the normal wired network and off to the races. This way you get none of the downsides of WEP (insecure, slowdown, known key, etc) and all the benefits of encryption.
      It sounds complicated, but really it's not. I can't see why more people aren't doing this as opposed to WEP. It's my understanding WEP==BAD.

    2. Re:Crypto subsystems are notoriously difficult... by kbonin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I quit Cisco, I was the only real security programmer left in my business unit - all the other positions had been "outsourced" to Bangalore. That team didn't write "bad" code, it just wasn't robust. And they didn't get it. And management didn't care. And marketing just wants it to ship with the feature checklist complete.

      I said it below, I'll say it again here. Companies have to CARE enough about security to have experienced crypto people do this sort of work. To design it, to implement it, and to test it.

      But now its all about keeping things cheap.

    3. Re:Crypto subsystems are notoriously difficult... by sbrown123 · · Score: 2, Insightful


      It's WHY you really, really ought to have a cryptologist design your subsystems if at all possible.


      No!!!!!!

      Seriously, the last thing we need is slow hardware.

      The trick to beat hackers and crackers is put out so much variety they have no idea what the hell to do. Seriously, if 99% of people didnt run the same hardware and software for everything hackers would cause very minimal damage.

  9. I don't feel safe... by cdavies · · Score: 5, Funny
    .. with my Open System Wireless, with MAC address access control, but at least my intruders will be using a better class of operating system, on which you can easily spoof MACs.

    Script kiddies using canned cracks on me from Windows machines would just make me feel dirty.

  10. This has been in the wild for months by codepunk · · Score: 4, Informative

    I seen the leap cracker downloadable for at least several months now. This means it has been in use for quite some time no sense in worrying about it now.

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  11. Not quite a crack by russotto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an offline dictionary attack, not a cryptographic break as has been done to WEP. If you use a strong password (one not in the dictionary), this won't break it. I don't know if preventing offline attacks was a goal of LEAP; if it was, it's fair to describe this as a crack, but if not, this is really just a tool to automate what was already known to be possible.

    1. Re:Not quite a crack by wasabii · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read the article. They use a weakness in the establishment of the connection to DRAMATICALLY reduce the time it takes for a dictionary attack, by gaining knowledge of the last two bytes of the NT hash.

  12. Not really an issue for large businesses... by stienman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since large businesses use secure VPN over any insecure channel (wireless, internet, dialup, even inside their own wired network) then it will only affect small businesses or those with poor security specialists who try to save money by putting the security into the network infrastructure.

    Unfortunately while the firmware may be upgradeable, the cryptographic functions are usually implemented in hardware (better performance) and it may be hard, if not impossible, to secure the authentication so this kind of attack is harder.

    What they really should do is have a public/private key for each access point, with the SSID set to the public key. Then any client can transmit to the access point without possibility of eavesdropping. This would be used to set up the secure LEAP session. Since the password is never sent back to the client then it's not going to be breakable by offline brute force attacks.

    Of course, in the end anything is breakable given enough time and/or money.

    -Adam

  13. Offline attack by Knightmare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many people here are talking about the length of time it takes to brute the password. I saw a demonstration of the asleap tool about 1/2 a year ago and it took 15 seconds to reveal the password. Something you need to keep in mind is the fact that there is no salt involved in the password hash for LEAP. So a precached hash of the possible passwords is very easy. All you need is lots of disk space and a well written index of the hashes.

    There are quite a few others that are saying well thats only if you let your users pick bad passwords... Come on guys, have you actually worked in the real world? Normal users can't remember crazy passwords, they are going to pick their dog and their favorite football player's number put together. Or their aniversary and the current food they are eating.

    Keeping a dictionary of enough passwords to get into the network would be trivial. All you need is one user with a weak password to get in, after that who cares how strong the rest are.

    1. Re:Offline attack by Anime_Fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Come on guys, have you actually worked in the real world? Normal users can't remember crazy passwords, they are going to pick their dog and their favorite football player's number put together. Or their aniversary and the current food they are eating.

      At least we force hard passwords for administrators.
      I've got some 7 complex passwords for admin accounts at work.
      Add 2 for my regular accounts there.
      Add 1 for Lotus Notes there.
      Add 1 for my user at my home server.
      Add 1 for root at the server.
      Add 5 for the encrypted partitions on the server (one of which is 20 characters long).
      Add 2 for my laptop.
      Add 1 for my university logon.

      It's easy to remember passwords once you learn how to create _good_ ones (that aren't based on dogs name + 3-digit number that you raise by 1 every 90 days).

      But yes, most of my users tend to forget their passwords and need me to reset them once a month.
      And the rest of the bunch use as weak passwords as they can.

      The good thing is, their accounts don't matter to me. It's only some files they're going to find.
      The admin accounts, OTOH can access any users' files in an instant (saved locally on the computer or on Novell doesn't matter). This is the account that needs protection.
      That, and keeping the company off the internet, wireless networks et al.

  14. Does the US government want insecure WiFi? by throwaway18 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A conspiracy theory.

    WEP is broken by design. A few engineers who don't know anything about cryptanalysis making their own encryption system that turns out to be broken is quite plausable however wifi standards are set by the IEEE. The IEEE is not stupid.

    Was WEP deliberatly broken to make government snooping easier?
    That may seem ludicrus now but what if the likes of consume suceed in their goal of building mesh networks across citys? Securing wireless connections at VPN or application level is so much hassle that only 0.01% of users bother.

    The reaction of the American government to the new Chinese wifi encryption standard lends weight to this theory. Supporting WAPI just means hardware manufacturers have to write a bit more software. Once it's in the software it will no doubt be supplied as standard worldwide. It may actuall be secure with little work. Why else would the American government threaten retailation over somthing so obscure?

    1. Re:Does the US government want insecure WiFi? by eggboard · · Score: 2, Informative

      WEP was weak (not broken) by design: when the spec was being designed, the US government still had its onerous cryptographic export restrictions (classifying them as munitions) and one person involved in setting the WEP spec said they erred towards weakness in part because of that climate, and in part because they didn't have computational juice available. The broken parts are just broken, but the strength was intentional.

      On the Chinese front, you're way off base. The problem is that the Chinese government requires that foreign companies provide their intellectual property (chip designs, etc.) to one of a dozen Chinese firms that are licensed to create WAPI. So it's not a matter of just adding code to firmware, in which case it might be Yet Another Redundant Standard. Instead, the Chinese government is requiring that non-Chinese firms essentially give away their technological advances.

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  15. 'twas on http://dis.hert.org a few days ago by acz · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Slashdot's always a bit late on interesting security issues. This news was on the Hacker Emergency Response team beta new website a few days ago.


    The site which accidently looks a lot like slashdot, focuses on quality security news; no vuln reports people don't care about... all the latest news and white papers.


    A cool white paper on utf-8 shellcodes was released on it too.

  16. Cisco WLAN AP != LEAP in all cases by supton · · Score: 3, Informative

    EAP-TLS, EAP-TTLS, and other EAP/802.1x authentication mechanisms are also supported by Aironet 1100 and 1200 series APs. These use strong certificate-based authentication, which isn't practially vulnerable to dictionary attack. This, of course, requires you run a certicifate authority for your network, and means more work - but most companies running a VPN will already be doing this, and those that are not will do this to avoid having to put APs outside the firewall and maintain a VPN infrastructure for WLANs.

  17. "Cracked"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whee! /. goes security journalism:

    Dictionary attack == LEAP is cracked!

  18. Need to move to PEAP ASAP by hta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So NOW I know why everyone's telling me that LEAP is not the end-game, and we need to move to systems based on PEAP (which is supposed to be an open standard, as opposed to LEAP which is proprietary) or some other, even newer variant.
    Security protocols are like windows (the physical kind). Once they're broken, duct tape is not the answer.

    1. Re:Need to move to PEAP ASAP by scseth · · Score: 2, Informative


      I have seen a lot of half-truths in responses here.

      PEAP is not an open standard. But there are Linux clients available for PEAP. Meetinghouse sells one, for example.

      Cisco and Microsoft competed for different PEAP standards, while Funk Software competed with PEAP using a EAP-TTLS standard.

      PEAP (protected EAP) is suppose to be the succecessor for LEAP (light EAP, which may explain why Cisco has not released any type of update for LEAP yet.

      Also, Cisco is also releasing an EAP-FAST to help with secure hand-offs with their 7290 wifi phones.

      All variants of EAP (Extensible Authentication Protocol) were designed to create an encrypted authentication using the IEEE 802.1x standard. /seth

  19. WPA-PSK at risk in similar circumstances by eggboard · · Score: 5, Informative

    The LEAP problem is pretty egregious because PEAP and EAP-TTLS are in wide use -- both of which encrypt the authentication process protecting against just sucking down a transaction for offline analysis. PEAP was supposedly supported by Microsoft and Cisco, but I don't see how Cisco is supporting it by releasing EAP-FAST, which is an alternate approach that's not as strong as PEAP. (PEAP is also supported by Mac OS X 10.3, just by the way, as well as third parties who made 802.1X authentication software clients.)

    But remember that this problem isn't limited to LEAP. As Robert Moskowitz of ICSA Labs wrote last November, poor WPA preshared key passphrase choice can allow WPA keys to be cracked. WPA (Wi-Fi Protected Access) is a fix to WEP that involves dramatically more complexity and sophistication in deriving per-packet keys.

    However, if you choose a dictionary-crackable passphrase of under 20 characters in WPA, you hit the same problem as LEAP: a cracker can trigger a deauthentication, capture the reauthentication in less than a minute, and then crack at their leisure.

    WPA-PSK will probably only be used in home and small office networks, where passphrases may be poorly chosen. I have spoken to manufacturers about changing the presentation layer: don't let users pick bad passwords. So far, to no avail. Not even a recommendation from the Wi-Fi Alliance.

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  20. Allways on the ball by RustyTaco · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow, this is slow on the uptake even for slashdot. This was demonstrated last year at DefCon in August. It works because, as somebody else mentioned, there is no salt on the hash so you can pre-compute massive hash dictionaries. Also, it's a bastardized MS-CHAP which stupidly pads the hash with two constant characters so you can almost instantly cut down the keyspace you need to brute force by a huge margin.
    The limiting factor is how fast your attack machine can read your pre-computed dictionaries off the disk.

    - RustyTaco

  21. Hire EXPERIENCED security people, not cheap ones! by kbonin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is yet another example of why you need to hire security programmers with actual experience in the field, not just outsource it to a cheap Indian programming group with no real experience writing robust protocols.

    I'm an ex Cisco security programmer, and thats exactally what was happening before I quit. I wish I could say more...

  22. OUTSOURCING by ShadowRage · · Score: 3, Interesting

    anyone think this is due to outsourcing besides me?

    just after cisco started utsourcing, their products have become faulty, sure, the programmers in india are pretty smart, but most are quickly trained amatuers who are usually new to coding secure applications. anyone else think this may be the case?

    1. Re:OUTSOURCING by kbonin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was there. It is due to outsourcing. Period.

  23. dictionary attack ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe people should stop using dictionary words for passwords?

    I think of a phrase and take first letter of each word, like

    Top of the morning to you ==> totmty

    etc..

  24. Re:You, sir, are seriously mus-informed... by sbrown123 · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Some of the fastest hard crypto (i.e. military grade...)


    Your talking to someone who worked in DOD. Theres no such thing as military grade crypto. Its the same stuff you find in the consumer market. When the use Cisco hardware they dont load anything special on it. Thats why you hear of crackers/hackers getting into them or military projects hurt by simple things like Microsoft Windows worms.


    Even variety doesn't make up for a weakness in your system.


    Sure, but which system? Ill use a simple example with three server operating systems: NT, Linux, and Solaris. Name a single virus or weakness (besides DOS) that effects all three?