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THG Linux Migration, Part Two

LqqkOut writes "Tom's Hardware Guide has posted part 2 of their Windows->Linux migration article. This time around, we're presented with some nifty divx screen caps that make life look oh, so easy. The Tom's crew packed a lot into this article, but did they sacrifice some essentials like 'RTFM' and other sage advice? This follows up their first article where users were shown how to choose and download a distro, back up some important data, and check for HW compatibility."

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  1. Great Video by Rapid+Home+Offer · · Score: 4, Informative

    I love how they demonstrate video players by showing Steve Ballmer's sweaty-pitted Developers video on Xine.

    1. Re:Great Video by red+floyd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I liked that! And the Mozilla sample was Groklaw.

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  2. Did I miss something? by drewhearle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps I missed something in the article... but why are the installation screenshots RedHat and the desktop screenshots SuSe?

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    1. Re:Did I miss something? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Funny
      but why are the installation screenshots RedHat and the desktop screenshots SuSe?

      It's Tom's Hardware, what the Hell do you want?

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    2. Re:Did I miss something? by cavebear42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tom is really, really good at hardware. OSes aren't hardware.

  3. Win2Lin Migration HOWTO by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Move from MS Office to OpenOffice.org (cost: 2 weeks to settle down, 1 month to adapt fully)

    2. Move from MSIE to Mozilla (cost: 2 hours to settle down)

    3. Move from Outlook to Mozilla Mail (cost: 1 week to settle down)

    4. Switch the OS when no-one's looking (cost: $40 for Xandros, 1 hour per PC).

    Seriously: the key to migrating is to start with the applications.

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    1. Re:Win2Lin Migration HOWTO by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Seriously: the key to migrating is to start with the applications.

      What about games? I still have a Windows box at home just for games. :(

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  4. RTFM by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't you just hate that phrase? The whole "RTFM" thing is quite funny if you ask me. I know of NOBODY that has RTFMed everything they touch.

    If I RTFM before I did anything, I wouldn't ever get anything done, as I would still be RTFM.

    I hardly ever RTFM, and when I do, it is in reference to a singular problem. As in, "how do I do ______", and RTFM section on that.

    Actually, if one could write a FM, they ought to be able to SCRIPT it and put it in a GUI, don't ya think?

    Here is a trick that nobody has thought of, how about a CLI command builder. You know a GUI interface to utilities and programs that doesn't actually do anything but create the CL necissary to execute a command you need done.

    That way, a person could use the GUI to improve their CLI skills.

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    1. Re:RTFM by Juanvaldes · · Score: 4, Informative

      well there is Google Linux and tons of Linux Faq's
      Let me say I know the frustration, this weekend I finally got a linux distro to like our PC's hardware and actually work. While a massive centralized faq would be nice I know it will never happen and so I use what is available to me. This is one of the downsides to a discentralized system, there is no one place to look and lots of reinventing the wheel is done.

    2. Re:RTFM by canajin56 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Asking the Linux Guru's how to do something in Linux is the wrong way to do it. Say you want to find all the files in a directory that contain some string.

      Wrong Way to Ask : "How do I search for files that contain a certain string, using Linux?"
      This will only get you a RTFM

      Right Way to Ask : "Linux sucks because in Windows, you can easily find files that contain a certain string just by going to 'Search for files and folders'! Linux can't do that"
      This will get you at least 10 ways to do it ;)

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  5. high and mighty by MagicM · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not to disrespect Tom or anyone else that cares, but this article just sounds way too "high and mighty" for my tastes. Some snippets:
    In Windows, you don't have much of a choice with browsers, as you probably used Internet Explorer.
    In essence, you get to see what is under the "hood of your car," as compared to Windows, where the hood is welded shut.
    While this may be true, it makes it sound like this article is for the typical "windows idiot", in which case "make sure you download the GTK+ development library" is WAY not enough information. And for someone willing to try to move to Linux (and get Oracle, Apache and SMB working), this is just insulting.
  6. Good for those of us who are used to Windoze by Steve+the+Rocket+Sci · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a person who mainly cut his teeth on Windows and DOS-based PCs, this series of articles helps out a bit. Sure, it's fun to figure things out yourself, but I'm not always in the mood to have to reference Google every time I try something new and exciting. Now only if they had something that would remember all those console commands so my stupid brain doesn't keep filling up. =P

  7. Developers, developers, developers, developers! by drewhearle · · Score: 5, Informative
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  8. Serious flaw by Oriumpor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When a very linux biased review doesn't do a good job of convincing a linux user that the linux method of application distribution isn't a crock there's something wrong.

    I'm not just piping in on this topic, I have had to deal with dependency BS just like the rest of anyone who hasn't had some obscure perl module.
    You are also required to download other programs/packages to make your program work.


    Thank microsoft's installapp creator (visual studio) for alleviating this problem on the Win32 side of things. Linux is left to flounder without, since there's no real way to baseline the needed dependencies and install them with the application across multiple Distros/versions easily.

    Automation is what makes computers useful, big round buttons make them usable by the avg.
  9. Re:My first Linux migration. Success! by ciczan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux and Porn are such a good combination!! Using wget I can make simple scripts to download sequences of images or videos. Mplayer handles almost every format. No pop-up overflows. No spywares.

  10. I was expecting more by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this was geared towards newbies, but I was hoping for a little more about the software. I never had a problem with linux, but I still think the software I use in windows is better than that available in linux. Yeah there's more choice, but all those options never seem to cut it for me. Actually, I think the only things holding me up are photoshop and windows media player and lack of printer support. Oh well, maybe next year...

  11. Hardware by t_allardyce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They missed out hardware, i think its important for them to mention that most hardware manufacturers are bitches when it comes to supporting, or even being in support of linux or any other OS than Windows, If you're switching to linux make sure your hardware is fully supported, its not enough that there are 'drivers availiable' you have to be ruthless and only buy the most popular and known to be supported stuff, make sure you search the forums and dont waste your time on anything thats not used by less than 30% of the linux community or anything that people complain about because its going to cause you grief.

    let me just add to the list:
    -Sagem f@st 800 ADSL USB Modem and PPPoA, just hassle
    -ATI All-In-Wonder Pro dual screened with a 9200SE - if you get this working ill grovel down to you.
    -Diamond S90 (vortex) sound card - shove it up your ass, you'll get better performance

    and unrelated - IBM Deskstar harddrives - if you hear that grinding noise your screwed.

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  12. Well done by bogie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My first reaction when watching the videos was duh, but then I realized what a great job he had done. We are a culture that flat out doesn't like to read instructions, having it done in a visual manner was a smart move. Also seeing something done right before your eyes is a much bigger confidence builder then just reading a quick howto on the internet. Look at the Outlook migration video. How nice is it to just say "download the video on it" and know that they probably won't need much assitance beyond that. People and companies especially pay big bucks for videos like this which train users how to install or use a product. While they are not the most comprehensive Linux video training out there and I have a few minor nitpciks, its Free so how can you knock it? Tom's has done a real service to the community with these articles and videos and they deserve our thanks.

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  13. RPM Hell by krmt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This bothered me too, but maybe that's because I've been using Debian for so long. Seriously, do Linux users really work like this? Hunting after the right RPM's and such? I mean... I remember doing that in 1999 (and it was a solved problem even then) on Mandrake, but they had already begun work on urpmi or something similar at the time. Honestly, I haven't dealt with a real dependency issue in half a decade and I haven't had to compile an app that I didn't write in years (unless I wanted to package it myself for some reason). I thought this was long solved for all distros now.

    Do you guys really live like this? If so... why?

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  14. Linux is GREAT for games by linuxkrn · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just a *few* big games that run WITHOUT Wine[X]

    And of course tons more run with Wine[X] including those Direct3D only ones.

    Lets not forget the GREAT Linux games too...

    NO reason not to use linux for games!
    1. Re:Linux is GREAT for games by tesmako · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK, lets play a game then, for each game that runs native on linux you mention I mention two that do not (picked quite randomly);

      * Uru: Ages Beyond Myst
      * System Shock 2
      * Silent Hill 3
      * Serious Sam
      * MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
      * Homeworld2
      * Europa Universalis
      * Deus Ex: Invisible War
      * Dark Age of Camelot
      * Beyond Good & Evil
      * Planescape: Torment
      * Master of Orion III
      * Mafia
      * Far Cry
      * Warcraft III
      * Max Payne
      * Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
      * Command & Conquer Generals
      * Sacrifice
      * Grim Fandango

      Your turn

  15. Re:no go in the corporate world by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't underestimate the power of MS Office macros, VBA-scripts and specially the users that made them. They can be hard-necked.

    I'm not underestimating them They send email to me all the time. Fortunately, my AV software gets most of it.

  16. Linux zealots shooting themselves in the foot... by stienman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In fact, [a particular program] is used in many some big movie studios such as ILM, Sony and DreamWorks. If it's good enough for them, it should be good enough for you.

    Quotes like this make me cringe on so many levels.
    1. What do they use the software for? Perhaps they only use it because some intern set up a script to automate a file renaming process. That doesn't make it good enough for me
    2. What makes you think my needs are completely met by something that meets someone else's needs? This argument has no value. "Kibbles and bits - if it's good enough for lassie, it's good enough for your half a bee, Eric."
    3. ???

    "I'm not a real Linux user, but I advocate Linux on my hardware site. Testing hardware is tough, but when my working evironment consists soley of Windows machines, at the end of the day I like to go home and relax at the command line of my RedSuseBian. There's nothing like a good scripting session to clear the head and soothe my tender muscles. Try it! You'll like it - I gaurantee."

    Bleah. Leave the PR quotes to real PR people, and just give us the facts.

    -Adam