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Intel Launches DRM-Enabled CPUs for Phones and Handhelds
squidfrog writes "AP reports, 'The next generation of Intel Corp. microprocessors for cell phones and handheld computers will, for the first time, include hard-wired security features that can enforce copy protection and help prevent hackers from wreaking havoc on wireless networks.' Or more ominously, 'The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.'" Intel has a press release.
Is that it will sell just as well as non-DRM'd hardware because the masses are clueless as to what it does.
We as geeks need to inform people about this thing.
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it can be hacked.
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'The same technology also can be used to ensure that content such as music or movies is used in a way dictated by the copyright holder. A purchased song, for instance, would not play unless it's sure that it's authorized and running on secure hardware.'"
Right, unless you hold down the Shift key when you put the CD in... honestly people, as long as its digital, people will discover loopholes around the system and break it. I don't want to say the effort is pointless, but it definitely is a losing battle.
How long before someone finds a workaround for these security features? Until now, no DRM has been left standing.
By what? One person in 100,000?
Have you ever tried to solder the wiring of a cell phone... and still have it work?
If all Intel, ATT, etc., etc., have to worry about is people soldering their cell phones, they've won. And gotten a good laugh in the bargain.
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I know this comment will be modded down, but really why is DRM frowned upon by Slashdotters? Suppose DRM were required to prevent abuses of the GPL -- would it be OK then?
If DRM enabled devices will make content creators feel comfortable making more content available, then I'm all for it. Also, since theft won't be an issue (unauthorized copying) they won't have to try to recover their losses by charging more for the content.
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Your right, and I think that your reasoning is why console video game systems (XBOX, Playstation, etc) get hacked so quickly. However, with Cel Phones, the hardware changes so often, that it wouldn't be hard to keep changing the DMA hardware code every generation. Cel phones are almost disposable these days and as hardware gets even cheaper, it is going to become more of a problem for your friendly neighborhood cracker.
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DRM on a cell phone? Was there a lot of ring tone pirating going on? Were people downloading MP3s and playing them when they received phone calls? Jogging along listening to the tinny phone speaker? Who's market did that effect and what's the point of having DRM on a cell phone?
I don't even see the point of DRM on a computer besides to kill the market. With music, it's always been easily obtainable. To make it the hardest to get and use on a computer is stupid. People will pick what is easiest for them, and that just happens to Kazaa. Remove the DRM on that crap. Most people won't pay for a crippled song when they can get the same thing for free. Another person will already make the copy, so crippling someone who has no intention of distributing it is DUMB!
That's scary.
Because _I_ decide what i do with the hardware i buy, nobody else.
Thats why i wont buy a DRM product, because i want control of what i own.
If someone else wants to retain control over the device, they can keep it
yeah, that's how it works in an ideal world. but then we wouldn't need DRM in the first place would we?
consider the recently released PC game Painkiller that contains SafeDisc anti-copy protection. this contains a blacklist. if you have any of the blacklisted hardware/software, the game won't run. the list includes:
-CD-writers
-Nero writer software
-virtual CD drive software
the net result: people who have legitimately purchased the game cannot run it. they have done absolutely nothing "wrong" in either the legal, ethical or technical meanings of the word. their only hope to use the product they have purchased is to bypass the copy-protection, making them criminals in the USA under the DMCA.
DRM isn't generally as bad as this case, but it is still fundamentaly flawed in that it can only work properly under perfectly controlled circumstances. that means saying goodbye to flexibility, and in some cases usability.
Ok. Now convince everybody who doesn't have a clue or don't care about DRM, to stop buying intel products so it will never succeed...<BR>
Another way is to buy the phone (since we may soon not have any non-DRM alternatives anyway), but just not buy any stupid ringtones and games for it.
These phones are usually sold at a loss, and they make their money back on the monthly service fee (which you sign a contract for), and on the sales of overpriced games and ringtones.
If you're like me, you've already figured out that, unless you want to be a hermit with no phone at all, it's cheaper to own a cellphone than to have a landline, so you might as well get that. But by not buying a top-of-the-line phone and getting a cheap subsidized phone instead, and then not buying the games and tones, you'll be keeping them from realizing any profits from this dumb strategy of theirs.
Unfortunately, while this will save you money, it probably won't change anything, thanks to all the stupid, mindless hordes of teenagers who happily buy all these games and ringtones with their parents' money. But at least you won't be part of the problem, and you can spend that money on something better.
If you have some cash, print up some nice stickers that say "WARNING: DRM Enabled Product. This device is a half-assed product" or something, and go stick em all over the products at the store :)
I've seen this sort of thing done to RIAA CDs somewhere, but i dont remember the URL
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
...is to understand that copyright holders have the right to dictate how their IP is used.
It's NOT a right! It is a PRIVILIGE provided by the gov't without the consent of the public. Not only is it a right to break bad laws, it's an obligation. The only way bad laws are repealed is through violation of the law. It is because of lawbreakers that we enjoy the freedoms we have today. If nobody broke the law, we would still have alchol prohibition(still working on other drugs). Blacks would still be riding in the back of the bus. Hell, the U.S. would still be a colony. But... if you're so dependant on the status quo, I can understand why you would say that. "Don't make waves."...right? Some people are just too comfy with the way things are to let a bunch of lawbreakin' hippies get in the way and try to set it right.
What?
I purchase all software I use, because I believe the money I spend on it actually goes towards the artists that create it.
.00001% of the music that's out there is the crap that's pushed on MTV. Those guys usually can form their own labels and become the pimp.
The case is not the same with record companies. 90% of the money you spend on a CD goes to marketing. Marketing of britney spears.
I am a musician, and most any musician who has tried to make it knows that you will basicially be screwed on your first 3 albums (ie take huge losses on them) just to be on the shelf (and most often not). Anyone but the top 1% or less of signed artists lose money on the deal, and usually don't even get their CD's in stores. That last 1%, probably
So, when you take the moral high ground about enforcing record companies rights, you should also enforce the right of a pimp on the street to push his ho's, because that's all the record companies are. Pimps. Living off other's talents and taking their proceeds. Destroying hope for those who just want to make a living.
The sooner they die a slow horrible death, the better. We will all have access to better music cheaper, and won't be subjected to freaking britney spears and boy bands everywhere we go.
DIE RECORD COMPANIES DIE!
STEAL MUSIC!
BOYCOTT INTEL!
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
If Hollywood continues to influence hardware in its
country, perhaps this can make 'off-shore' hardware
even more popular. Along with 'off-shore' everything
else. Its very ironic that Joe Sixpack might need
a Chinese DVD player to actually do what he wants with his machine.
How the fuck did we get to the point where music needs to be "secure content"?
What happened to kids having jam sessions in their parents' garages?
What happened to aboriginies hitting sticks against each other?
Or bands playing gigs in pubs?
Yes, these are careers and corporations, but just think about then and now. Music for the love of it then, music for the money in it now.
RIAA/MPAA & friends need to step back and take a look at what they're doing and requesting from hardware, software, and people.
'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
Rightsholders not only want to exercise their rights, but also forbid you from exercising yours.
That is the true heart of the problem, and the protest. Personally I've got far more paid-for content than not, and I'm very willing to pay for content as long as I can make full use of it.
However, I am not going to shell out my cash for content I can only use at home, on a Tuesday, if it's sunny, and I can get my DRM-enabled software to work. Furthermore I'm unwilling to repeatedly pay for content every time the distribution method changes - ie: from tape to CD, from VHS to DVD, etc. I want to be able to make the choice to "upgrade" my media based on the benefits of the media or the media delivery system. There are real benefits to be had by buying my movie collection as DVDs, but I want to be able to make that choice not have that choice forced on me.
If DRM becomes ubiquitous then you can guarantee that content will be "leased" and not sold. The sale model will be deprecated and all your content will be rented on a schedule dictated purely by the rightsholders.
DRM means you say goodbye to the general purpose computing machine. It means you say goodbye to home-brew software, homebew hardware, homebrew content creation - all that creative endeavour becomes illegal, or impossible. No more listening to CDs of your friends garage band - they can't afford a key to "sign" their content, and your CD player won't play unsigned content, and the DMCA says you can't hack it so you can.
Fuck that.
Pierre
If you think about it most people don't want DRM since it doesn't provide them with anything useful. What DRM really boils down to in terms of marketing effect is that when Joe Moron discovers that his fancy $100 Radio Shack mobile charges him 10 cents in royalties every time it rings old Joe ain't gonna be mighty impressed...
DRM is simply bad juju, and people will inevitably catch on sooner or later.
This would open things up to content control.
If you have 'unapproved information' on your pc, ( that just happened to be approved the day before ) *poof* it goes up in digital smoke... possibly even notifing the authorities of the transgression of knowledge.
And in this case, you cant do anything abut it since its at the chip level.
Sure, *we* may find a way, but the general public will have its core knowledge controlled and restricted.
Don't count on buying others chips.. they will all follow suit to 'keep up' with markets.
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You can't emulate a private key that you don't have.
It will not be modchipped.
Not on the mobile phones (however absurd that may be in any case) and also not on the desktop computers which are getting their share too with Intel now including LaGrande silently on their new processors starting with Prescott.
It's not used on the desktop yet but the hardware will be there when Longhorn comes out.
DRM would help the legitimate user here. None of those applications would have the ability to assist in copying and that DRM protected game.
additionally by my understanding of TCPA, DRMed applications cannot necessarily be aware of another application's mere EXISTENCE on a PC unless there is a granted trust relationship between the programs. And if Nero (DRM enabled or not) can't make a usable copy of a DRMed game on a DRM system, they have no motivation to go the extra step and request that trust relationship with those applications.
I think there are quite a few advantages to DRM, but to many people (myself included) the lack of control over one's own machine is disconcerting. But in this case, a law-abiding user wouldn't have a problem on a DRM system.
PXA-27x is the model number^Wname. The product name is XScale, ie it is an intel XScale CPU, PXA-27x model family, compared to previous models (families) of the XScale CPU such as the PXA-25x and PXA-21x. All of which essentially are revisions of the DEC SA-1100 StrongARM which intel acquired design rights to as part of DEC's sell-out to^W^Wsettlement from intel.
I use Friend/Foe + mod-point modifiers as a karma/reputation system.
Then I switch to a mac.
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But in this case, a law-abiding user wouldn't have a problem on a DRM system.
Right. Except for all of the OTHER cases where a law-abiding user WOULD have a problem with a DRM system.
Such as when he wants to make perfectly legal backup copies. Or when he wants to make perfectly legal educational-related use. Or perfectly legal research use. Or a perfectly legal parody. Or perfectly legally use it on different hardware. Or perform perfectly legal reverse engineering. Pretty much any personal use. The list just goes on and on. All legal uses obstructed by DRM.
TCPA
The entire foundation of TCPA/Palladium/NaGSCaB or any other Trusted Computing system is the assumption that YOUR Trust chip will not let YOU know what YOUR master key is. It's your property and you have every right to rip it open and look at it under a microscope to see what your key is. And once you've done that the entire Trust system falls apart.
Once you know your key you are able to make all of the perfectly legal uses I listed above. And yes, you are also able to commit copyright infringment.
The point is that you can't put an innocent person in prison (one who has NOT commited copyright infringment) for those perfectly legal activities simply becuase it means he could - but DIDN'T - commit infringment. And if you don't imprison those innocent people then the DRM system has no legal protection and is worthless.
The only way to protect DRM is to imprison innocent people. If you want to go after people who commit infringment, then fine. But you can't protect DRM itself. That happens to make the DRM worthless, oh well, the DRM is worthless.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
I'm on your side, and I agree...but, this sounds an awful lot like circumvention of an encryption device.