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Wi-Fi Security Robots?

John Hering writes "It was bound to happen.... Security Robots that are "Wi-Fi" enabled and capable of enterprise-grade tasks. Details have emerged about a robotics platform that combines cutting edge security and wireless technologies and is capable of integration with buildings' central heating and cooling systems, security systems, air quality controls, wi-fi networks, and even lighting and power systems to provide valuable building services and emergency back-up. It can even greet guests, guide them to their destinations or lead building tours! Similar projects in the past have pushed these robotics technologies forward and spawned numerous new projects , especially amongst the linux community."

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  1. security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has anybody thought about the security flaws/exploits that would obviously be a problem with such a device? Im not so sure Id want such an extensive robot so open to potential attacks/interference.

    1. Re:security? by KrisHolland · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Im not so sure Id want such an extensive robot so open to potential attacks/interference."

      You mean you would much rather have a human security guard that can be blackmailed, bribed and bought off.

  2. Lets hope that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its secure enough to not let this happen:

    Some one hacks one of these things and it opens the front door for them.

    1. Re:Lets hope that by metlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some one hacks one of these things and it opens the front door for them.


      Worse - someone hacks into one of these things and has access to your entire network.

      Now *that* would be some security breach.

    2. Re:Lets hope that by GregAndreou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As opposed to someone that hacks into your network and has access to your entire network?

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  3. What operating system... by JessLeah · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...do these security robots run? I just know I'm going to get modded Troll for this, but with all due respect, I wouldn't feel terribily comfortable with a company whose security bots run Windows. I'll feel especially freaked out when the security bots advance to the point where they are actually armed. Can you imagine Windows BSoDing on one of these things, and causing a gun to fire? Gives me the shivers. And I'm sure it's only a matter of time before it happens... (shit, if the Navy can base an entire warship around Windows...)

    1. Re:What operating system... by metlin · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you had read the article, you would have realized that they do not carry arms themselves - they merely assist the guards by carrying equipment and the like into dark and unsafe places. They're primarily built to be surveillance robots, that is all!

      It's not just the software being Windows or Linux or whatever - its the hardware too. There is a reason NASA had chosen x86 for a lot of its missions - reliability and hardware dependability.

      And quite honestly, I find it really unlikely for any of these things to be running anything close to Windows (if they ever wanted, it would be CE, which again is not really a good option). These things would have to be built for realtime apps, coupled with networking capabilitis and the like and would perhaps be happier running something like QNX.

      Or ofcourse, customized Linux/*BSD kernels.

      And oh, Naval ships do run Windows within the ship - perhaps not the control centers, but still, a significant chunk of the (active and on-duty) Navy does use Windows.

    2. Re:What operating system... by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just know I'm going to get modded Troll for this


      Yes, because dissing Windows on Slashdot is really sticking your head into the lion's mouth. You wild, untameable, devil-may-care, free-speaking rebel, you.
    3. Re:What operating system... by bigdd · · Score: 3, Informative

      NASA uses the X86 because it is the only CPU that has been hardend to withstand the rigors of space flight(stuff like radiation).

      Navy ships do use Windows, but not for any "Mission Critical" systems. Unix is used for all the sensory input type stuff. By law ships are only allowed to use computers as "navigation aids." Computers cannot be used as the primary means of navigation. On a navy ship the Quartermasters still get out their Sextants and "Shoot Stars" and other hevenly bodies every night to check the ships position against what the computers/GPS are telling them.

    4. Re:What operating system... by subtropolis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      they merely assist the guards by carrying equipment and the like into dark and unsafe places. They're primarily built to be surveillance robots, that is all!

      Yeah sure, for a while. But human nature...

      guard 1: Johnny-5 just came back from the ventilation system; says a M4d gang of h4xx0r5 have penetrated into the NOC - and they're armed with some really stoopid hardware.

      guard 2: I'm not crawling around in there. Here, give Johhny you're shotgun...

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  4. Hmmm by crawdaddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    A walking, talking robot? Is his name Johnny-5?

    1. Re:Hmmm by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, his name is Johnny Wi-Five...

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  5. Well! What's new? by PhrozenF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I hope you all have seen Sony's QRIO ROBOT. It's that humanoid robot. More like an AIBO in the human form.

    Can do all that the AIBO can, and can do it all a lot better cause it can carry a lot more equipment. It has Wi-Fi, and a customizable software that lets you control all cameras / motion / etc. It can be used as an autonomous creature, or be remote controlled.

    A customized version could easily do security robot tasks.

    Read more about it here.

  6. Reality check in aisle four, please! by igrp · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Cute? Check.
    Futuristic-looking? Check.
    Create enough hype to get VC, DARPA and NIH funding? Check.

    In reality though, these are a far cry from being practical, cost-effective replacements for human security or maintenance personell. Well, maybe HP R&D does use them but that's about it as far as practical applications go (at least at this point). It just doesn't make sense to employ these outside of a tradeshow or R&D environment from a business point of view.

    What happens, for instance, if an intruder does decide to jam the WiFi network (not really that hard to do)? Do the robots have the AI required to perform their scheduled tasks autonomously? Or will they require human supervision and internvetion (in that case, they aren't really anything more than cool, mobile surveillance cameras).

    I'm sorry but I just don't see any practical applications (aside from, maybe, logistics) for these robots at this point.

    1. Re:Reality check in aisle four, please! by TheTreeFrog · · Score: 3, Interesting
      What happens, for instance, if an intruder does decide to jam the WiFi network (not really that hard to do)?

      That in itself tells you something. If you're wireless networks being jammed, somethings wrong.

      Don't think human replacement, think human augmentation. One human security guard from a safe central terminal can monitor a bunch of automated surveillance drones. The drones can be in multiple places at once, carry thermal imaging cameras, fit in small places, etc, etc. The guard functions as the control for the cluster, if any of the drones hit something suspicious they flag the guard who can take a look for himself.

      Pretty neat actually, it would allow one guard to cover a lot more physical territory at once, and 'go' places that might be dangerous in an industrial environment.

      You're using the wrong paradigm. Don't think human replacement with robots, think cyborg humans only with the hardware mounted externally, and with some simple AI to cut down on the need for direct attention. After all, we are basically using computers right now as artificial memory/intelligence augmentation by using them to do things the human brain isn't well set up to do. Now we can do some simple physical augmentation as well. Pretty cool really.

  7. Good timing... by danielrm26 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Kind of ironic that Assimov's "I,Robot" trailer just hit theaters this weekend. Anyone who hasn't, by the way, needs to read Bill Joy's "Why The Future Doesn't Need Us."

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  8. Not particularly breaking news ... by foobsr · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... there is a company here (de) which has a product out since ~2001.

    See ...(with product videos).

    Disclaimer: I am not an affiliate.

    CC.

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  9. Uh oh.. by poohsuntzu · · Score: 2, Funny

    security systems, air quality controls, I can see it now.. someone logs in trying to use an unencrypted signal. HAL: "What are you doing Dave? How do you feel?" Moron: -gasping for breath-

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  10. "enterprise-grade tasks" by UrGeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    "enterprise-grade tasks" Would that be NCC-1701/A/B/C or D? What a load of marketing crapspeak.

    1. Re:"enterprise-grade tasks" by isorox · · Score: 2, Funny

      Would that be NCC-1701/A/B/C or D?

      NCC-1701. No Bloody A, No Bloody B, No Bloody C, and No Bloody D

  11. MY Wi-Fi bot... by Tsunamisan · · Score: 5, Funny

    The idea was of a micro air vehicle with a CCD camera and an intercom that I could control via the campus Wi-Fi network. I could sit at home in my underwear eating Cheerios and literally "land" my little robot on my desk at the 8AM antenna theory class and "attend" lectures :-)

    My biggest concern would be lag that would cause me to lose control and crash into a door or the professor's head. Then again, imagine this: You're happily strolling to class and right as you get to the closed door, this tiny robot aircraft hovering there starts talking to you "Hey, little help with the door, please?"

    Awesome :-)

  12. Robocop by ChronoWiz · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Please put down your weapon! - You have 20 seconds to comply!
    You now have 15 seconds to comply!
    You now have 5 seconds to comply! 4...3...2...1..."

  13. Social Impact by Rui+Lopes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did anyone thought of the social impacts these "wifi robots" can bring? i mena, here at Portugal this kind of job is usually done by retired men and young people that couldn't find another job. If these robots substitute humans, more unemployed people will appear. Social-unfriendly technology isn't the way to go, IMHO.

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  14. Money does NOT grow on trees, you know! by malia8888 · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article: Once a PatrolBot scans its work areas, it travels automatically to perform tasks: mapping temperatures to improve central heating and cooling efficiency; measuring wi-fi signal strength to improve coverage; enabling security guards to remotely investigate several problems simultaneously, and carrying light, emergency supplies or other equipment into an unsafe or dark building.

    One of these PatrolBots was modeled after my dad. He walks up and down the halls in his blue flannel robe shutting off the lights; turning down the heat; mumbling that the company is NOT made out of money.

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  15. I can see it now... by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dave: Let me out, HAL! I have to get to work!
    HAL: I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave. A fatal exception 0E has occured at 0428:C000A313 in VXD VMM(01) 00009313. The current occupant will be terminated.
    Dave: Oh, crap.

    ~UP

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  16. Three laws? by HawkinsD · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Yes, but are these units Three Laws safe?

    I'm not sure how well Windows XP runs on positronic brains.

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  17. Can they... by segfault7375 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can they go to meetings for me and just smile and nod? If so, where do I sign up? :)

  18. jammer by tasinet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is not only about vulnerabilities and exploiting the robot's software, even simpler things could be a great issue in such cases..

    For example, a jammer. Operate a jammer in the 11 wifi bands and you got it isolated.

    Simple?

  19. iRobot and Raytheon by zogger · · Score: 2, Informative
    --already being developed, the fighting armed robot. They are starting with just surveillance and whatnot, but quickly got to the point in the article and through the hemming and hawing they dropped Raytheon's name, which is a good indicator to me of an example of a "extreme violence is highly profitable" corporation.

    Here's the link to the Wired article about it

    I think it's a valid concern, because you know they will keep developing these things all the way, I have expected it.

    There's already enough trouble dealing with human guards and police in the civilian sector if they get incensed or follow illegal orders and go mad dog on you. In strict military terms it's alwas been thus because the objective is to "kill the other guys" basically and any accidents are classed off as "collateral damage". We barely have any sort of reasonable expectation anymore of arguing a differing point of view in the civilian world, exploring what might be a mistake in intent or circumstances, before getting maced, beat or shot, but not with a robot, you won't get that. Binary. Won't really matter which OS it's running because even when it's running "well" it will still be dumb as a rock, they aren't even close to having the intelligence a good guard dog has, let alone a human. But, they are well past "close enough" to make them mobile and armed, a pretty dangerous situation, IMO. They won't wait for AI to equal just the mundane functionality, not when "collateral damage is almost always acceptable" is their over all mindset on achieving objectives. These sorts of robots won't be able to do the critical reasoning necessary to be effective in all cases, and you can bet that there will be a lot of cases of "collateral damage" with them once they are armed and programmed for aggression.

    In the military it's a no brainer for them,of course, it's just a smart tank sort of logical progression, various sizes. And predator is getting closer to the concept on the aerial platform, and cruise missiles I think could be classed as almost fully robotic in nature, and are in widespread use now, as are all the other complex "fire and forget" type munitions.

  20. The inevitable response... by WillDraven · · Score: 3, Funny

    I for one welcome out new wi-fi enabled robot overlords.

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