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Power Over Ethernet for AirPort Base Station

An anonymous user writes, "With Apple's recent announcements I took a quick stroll through some other items on the site and noticed that there's now a third AirPort Extreme Base Station. This model, at the same price as the model with modem and antenna ports, does not have a built-modem, however it does have an antenna port, supports Power Over Ethernet, and conforms to UL 2043. Great news for those that have wished they could put their Base Stations out of reach of a power outlet."

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  1. Also announced by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Also announced today was AirPort Management Tools 1.0, which provide powerful tools for planning, setting up, fine-tuning, and managing larger, enterprise-class wireless networks. Both of these announcements aren't targeted towards the home user; they don't do Power-over-Ethernet, nor have to manage lots of AirPort Base Stations.

    With this plus the other things today, it sounds like Apple is starting to get serious about the Big Enterprise. WWDC could be really intersting.

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  2. Re:$300!?! by lxt · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Is there something else great about this that would make me crazy enough to buy this?"

    It's white! Just like the iPod!

  3. I'm waiting until... by lxt · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...power over wireless ethernet. Now that would be good... ...A man can dream :)

    1. Re:I'm waiting until... by skarth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, I though you were dead!

    2. Re:I'm waiting until... by leperkuhn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah yes, lightning. Can't wait for that.

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  4. Re:$300!?! by phobokleon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have one of the 200 dollar models, and there are a couple of reasons. 1st is they work with appletalk. Most third party wireless products don't. 2nd They act as a wireless print server. Given that stand alone wireless print servers run ~$150, this is a big deal. Access point, print server and full mac compatibility for $200, modem for those without broadband for $250. I'd Say that all together its not a bad deal. Like may thinks mac, the total cost seems high, but to get equal functionality elsewhere, the cost runs almost the same. The only complaint would be they don't sell an access point only model for 100 to 150 dollars.

  5. Re:$300!?! by larkost · · Score: 5, Informative

    I agree that it is a bit expensive, but if you start to look at the specs a bit better, you will understand more:

    USB Printer Sharing Built in

    A good antenna (optional external antenna hookup also)

    One model has a built in modem with AOL Compatibility (the only one out there)

    An application based admin interface both for Windows and Mac

    Like I said.. they are still a bit expensive, but not as much as as it first appears. Much like most of Apple's products.

  6. Re:$300!?! by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Informative


    It's the only one with AOL compatibility, I believe. If you care, which you probably don't, but someone might. Other advantages someone else lists below, like printer sharing, phone-home modem (so you can call your computer from the road (which others don't have, I don't think?)).

    I have to admit, as much as an Apple fanboi as I am, I don't even have an Apple Base Station; I went for an Xsense router, since it gave me a 4 port switch for cheaper.

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  7. Re:Ethernet power rating by nadda · · Score: 5, Informative

    802.3af specifies 48V. Google for specs.

  8. UL 2043? by System.out.println() · · Score: 5, Funny

    UL 2043: "Fire Test for Heat and Visible Smoke Release for Discrete Products and Their Accessories Installed in Air-Handling Spaces" ....so my new AirPort base has a smoke detector inside it? Why don't they build that into the new Powerbooks? ;-)

    SYSTEM ERROR #43: MOTHERBOARD ON FIRE.

    1. Re:UL 2043? by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 5, Funny
      UL 2043: "Fire Test for Heat and Visible Smoke Release for Discrete Products and Their Accessories Installed in Air-Handling Spaces" ....so my new AirPort base has a smoke detector inside it? Why don't they build that into the new Powerbooks? ;-)

      It means you can shove an airport base station into an air duct without violating safety codes.

      SYSTEM ERROR #43: MOTHERBOARD ON FIRE.
      From Ward's Wiki:
      The BeOS programmer's guide covers two functions IsComputerOn (returns 1.0 if computer is on, unspecified otherwise) and IsComputerOnFire (returns temperature if mainboard has flames coming from it, unspecified otherwise). It's right there in the printed version (though I quote from memory).
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  9. Power over ethernet? by kekeruusperi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow, and I thought RFC 3251 was just a joke!

  10. POWER Over Ethernet by jareds · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you absolutely sure it supports power over ethernet?

  11. Re:$300!?! by b-baggins · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Airport Base Stations also BRIDGE the wireless to wired connections. Most wireless routers do not bridge.

    Bridging is essential if you want Rendezvous to work properly between your wired and wireless machines.

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  12. 802.11 by peu · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do we need for power over 802.11 ? Tesla coils?

  13. Re:$300!?! by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And there are so many anti-Mac users out there, that even when Apple designs a pretty damn good product, that's well-engineered and well designed, that somebody just wants it to be cheap cheap cheap. If it's Apple, it must be a gyp.

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  14. wow... Story copied word for word by acomj · · Score: 3, Informative

    see http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/.. For the original email this was posted from.. No wonder it was done anon...

  15. Value of Airport Base Station by reidconti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had a snow ABS I bought for $300.

    Used it for a year and a half

    sold it for $180 on ebay, bought a linksys for $60.

    The linksys just sucks. Apple's hardware simply works way better. You get what you pay for.

    Sticking with the linksys because I don't feel like laying down the cash for the ABS, but I should have just kept the Airport originally..

    1. Re:Value of Airport Base Station by hrbrmstr · · Score: 3, Informative

      The WRT54G model, once re-flashed with some of the very feature-rich firmware produced by the open source community has been a rock-solid, problem-free device.

      I would love to be able to spend the money on an apple airport base station, but *this* model Linksys works for me. I can see where an all-Mac home/shop or even a small, multi-platform environment might want to go with easy-to-manage Apple WLAN equipment, tho.

      Now, the older, 802.11b AP's from Linksys were not worth the plastic case they came in, so if you're comparing the Apple equipment to those, Apple is definitely worth the price premium.

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  16. Not $300 but $249 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You should check the price before you complain.
    Though you can still get a generic 54g basestation for less, they do not have the same performace or features:

    Radius Server Compatibiliry
    Excellent & Stable WPA implementation
    Built-in 56k modem with Dial in Access
    USB Print Server (with Rendezvous)
    WPA Bridging (Best i've seen so far)
    Roaming
    Inteference Robustness (Frequency Hopping)
    Antenna Output Power Control

    I set up wireless system for a living and i even use the AE Basetations for my PC customers. Not only are the features are better, the IMPLEMENTATION is far more stable. Firmware Updates are so much easier to apply.

  17. Re:External Antenna Port Worthwhile? by kencurry · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have an original graphite station. I added a lucent external antenna (I don't remember the specs, maybe a 5dB boost?) that required a "case hack" I saw posted somewhere. In may case, the antenna plugs directly into the embedded PCMCIA card. the addition did boost performance for me, but I still found that some areas downstairs remained spotty.

    I noticed that the Dr. Bott is more expensive than the lucent. To be honest, I think you will be disappointed to spend a hundred bucks and find only marginal improvement.

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  18. Re:$300!?! by extra88 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Speaking as someone who is in my setup, I can tell you that Rendezvous does work. I am sorry that stating that the clients can "see each other" did not make that clear.

    Here's a little picture of my network, the mini-hub is connected to one of the Netgear's 4 LAN ports. Yes, the mini-hub is usually extraneous, I could connect the NAT/DHCPd to the Netgear and the wired clients to the Netgear but sometimes I have more than 3 wired clients I like that I can remove the Netgear without disrupting anything except the wireless clients.
    cable modem
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    mini-hub--wired client
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    Netgear - - - wireless client
  19. Anyone know when apple will allow WDS with WPA by adrianm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Currently I can only use Wireless Distribution System (WDS) with WEP not WPA. WDS was one of the major selling points for me with the Airport. I would love to move to WPA, I sort of assumed that the client portion of the WDS code would need to be updated to be WPA capable.

    Adrian