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Akamai -- The Other Huge Distributed System

Frisky070802 writes "Technology Review, the MIT alumni magazine, has an article by Simson Garfinkel that compares the huge distributed systems run by Google and Akamai and speculates that Google might even consider buying Akamai. It also discusses the flame-out of Akamai after its tremendous IPO."

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  1. not surprising by strook · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think there's plenty of room for both groups to be successful. One thing Google and Akamai have in common is their desire to hire extremely skilled people instead of making it up with large numbers of code monkeys.

    I assume this is true, at least, because at some point each of these companies have hired a friend of mine. ;-)

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    1. Re:not surprising by taion · · Score: 4, Informative

      Definitely. Back when they could afford to, Akamai gave a huge sum of money to AMC, which runs the highest level high school math competitions here, and pick the US team for the International Math Olympiad and such. Some Akamai person gave a presentation very, very heavily stressing how their problems related to problems at the forefront of mathematical research, and how they were into hiring the best people in the field.

      And they're damn right to do so. One or two of the very top people who were present there (at the USAMO) could probably easily do a few hundred times the work of your "average" MIT grad.

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  2. Gogle uses Akamai already? by bartash · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this Google already outsources their DNS load balancing to Akamai.

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    1. Re:Gogle uses Akamai already? by mastropiero · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to dig, it is confirmed...

      Just do a dig www.google.com

  3. google speculation by quelrods · · Score: 4, Informative

    There has been lots of speculation on google lately...they might offer stock, they might design their own operating system, why do we enjoy so much speculation about google? C'mon they're busy with Gmail and their secrecy will always out do our guessing.

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  4. Re:Akamai exec by bartash · · Score: 2, Informative

    Akamai Technologies lost co-founder and CTO Daniel C. Lewin on American Airlines Flight 11.

    http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/1460 55 1

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  5. Re:Akamai exec by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Didn't one of Akamai's executives (a founder maybe?) die in the September 11 attacks? Did that have any effect on Akamai's stock performance?

    One of the founders, the CTO, was on American Airlines flight 11, which hit the WTC. No mention of what happened to the stock, but it sure hit company morale hard.

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  6. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google would only have to report that information to its shareholders who could sit on it if they wanted to... however, if any shareholder wants to sell, then anybody they talk to about selling the shares would have to get the "true" info too.

    Since there's no NDA at all possible, the secrecy would likely crumble very quickly if the shares are all but very thinly traded.

  7. Re:FlameOut Indeed by 4what4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ok.... I'll byte...

    If you had $650 a year and a half ago and bought akamai at @ .80 you would have $7280.... ....or 661.81 12 packs of the old nunber "6"

  8. Re:Searching by yourself is futile... by be-fan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google is hardly a monopoly. There are almost no barriers to entry in their market. There is lots of healthy competition (Altavista, Yahoo, AOL, MSN). I repeat: there are almost no barriers to entry in their market.

    The case for Microsoft is 180-degrees in the opposite direction.

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  9. Re:FlameOut Indeed by Myridon · · Score: 2, Informative

    On the other hand, if someone were to have $650 laying around and bought 915 shares of Akamai in September of 2002, they would have $12,746 now.

  10. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by Uber+Banker · · Score: 4, Informative

    The point is because they have an employee compensation scheme (plus lots of VC investors) that lets so many employees 'invest' in the company the SEC will treat them like a listed company. That is fact. So if they are going to be treated like a listed company and get none of the benefit why not just get listed.

    That is what the parent said. It doesn't matter that no one can invest in it... it is treated as having the entire public as potential investors by the SEC (the reason being lots of people (mainly staff by numbers) have an investment in the company).

    To suggest nearly nobody reads reports, though, is pathetic. Share options in your employer, your annual insurance and savings plan reports... If you don't look after your money I hope you don't cry to the government when someone does funny things with it (WorldCom, Putnam, who else?)...

  11. Re:You don't know how To Tell The Truth! by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Informative
    but maybe google never intends to become public now. They have more than enough money to beat out even the best Public companies.

    Maybe so, but as the poster above pointed out, they may have to behave like a public company, and so, may go IPO if they lose the benefits of being private.

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  12. I think you mistake the point of Akamai... by Slump · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...at least from a customer's prospective.

    We're one of Akamai's larger customers.

    We use them because the traffic patterns on our websites include 10x (and up) spikes in traffic during news and weather events.

    These events are specifically times when we CANNOT be unavailable. We live and die by those events.

    But, those events are not very often - perhaps a few per month.

    Akamai allows us to serve this massive traffic spikes without requring us to maintain a massive overhead in servers and bandwidth that goes unused most of the time.

    Each site in our network has a geographically localized audience, but across the network as a whole, we have users everwhere.

    Edge Serving allows us to provide extremely low latency service to all of those users - and providing a much greater resistance to core internet connection issues.

    Further, Akamai provides us with massive redundancy. A single (or group of few) datacenter, not matter how large and well designed, is still not as redundant as the Akamai network.

    Finally, if our origins become unavailable for whatever reason, our sites live on, completely available on the edge (albeit, growing stale as time goes on) while we restore origin connectivity.

    Then we have EdgeJava, Akamai Network Storage, the video serving, etc.

    Our latest web project (which will become quite popular in mid-late August) will be served entirely from the Edge using Akamai.

    1. Re:I think you mistake the point of Akamai... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You may also take a look at www.netli.com - they compete with Akamai, but in different manner - they specialize in dynamic content delivery acceleration.

  13. Re:The article misses the point by Single+GNU+Theory · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, I think you've missed the point of Akamai. Akamai is in the delivery business, but bandwidth is only part of that. Akamai delivers content, and is capable of delivering CPU cycles as well. You have also forgotten about the other last mile: the content provider's Internet connection. Most people don't go buying themselves a direct-backbone connection to put up their websites- that's left to their ISP or their ISP's ISP.

    Take, for example, a website linked to in a Slashdot front-page article. The HDD cannon today seems to have been hosed pretty badly by the Slashdot Effect. First problem was that the provider's bandwidth was not nearly enough to serve what was apparently a graphics-heavy page (I don't know- I never even got to see it!). The second problem was that even if it had been a simple page, it still takes a fair amount of power to serve a large number of simultaneous requests.

    Had that web site operator used Akamai's services, the Slashdot Effect might not have been able to make the content unavailable. Instead of one last mile to the provider being clogged, the traffic is distributed among all of Akamai's "last miles". At the same time, no one server has to cope with answering all those requests in a timely manner.

    Google can get away with a few datacenters full of servers. The bandwidth to any one Google datacenter can probably be planned for and new pipes provisioned pretty readily as they grow and expand services. Akamai is there for other uses- for example, hosting video streams of immensely popular but short-shelf-lifed sporting events. If the sanctioning body for a sport invested in enough infrastructure to provide it themselves, it would be underutilized out of season. If Akamai does it, they can host video streams of the baseball World Series for MLB, then the Superbowl for the NFL, then March Madness for the NCAA, and those organizations don't have servers sitting around twiddling virtual thumbs in the off season.

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  14. Re:Akamai exec by damiena · · Score: 3, Informative

    In September 2001, Akamai's stock had already plummetted to a fraction of its peak value. The price finally bottomed out about a year later and has been slowly climbing back up ever since.

  15. Re:Akamai is still losing money by SlamMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speedera, for one.

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  16. Re:Akamai competitors - AT&T and Speedera. by billstewart · · Score: 2, Informative
    AT&T and Speedera are two of their main competitors. They've all got different tradeoffs for how many servers, how big, and where to put them, and have branched off from the original big-caching models to a variety of other applications like streaming media which scale a bit differently.

    Back during the Internet boom, there were also some companies that did satellite multicast to ~600 servers around North America, which competed with some of the kinds of things Akamai is used for. (But that was the boom, and those guys are gone now.)

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  17. Re:Strong Words! by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Technology Review is the MIT Alumni magazine. Akamai was founded by MIT professors and alumni, and employs many MIT alums. Technology Review hypes Akamai... hmm, I'll leave you to do the math there.

  18. Re:The article misses the point by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ah, but the grandparents point is that given the same number of CPU's and the same amount of agregate bandwidth the same task can be performed no matter if the servers are at the edge or the core. He asserts that core bandwidth is super cheap and so agregate bandwidth is achievable at the core. This ignores a large part of Akami's business model which is that they don't pay ISP's for edge bandwidth! I know that my ISP was happy to get an Akami cluster on their LAN because it saved them peering cost for Akami hosted high bandwidth content that their customers were viewing. Heck I don't think they even charged them for power and AC =)

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  19. Re:If those numbers are correct.... by stienman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately my numbers for the 1024 bit key are not correct. It would take them significantly longer than a year to break a 1024 bit key. The 512 key (12 times a day) is still pretty substantial, though - used widely in hardware crypto systems.

    See Bulletin #13 from RSA Labs for a decent machine-cost analysis of breaking larger keys.

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  20. Don't Trust Technology Review by smiff · · Score: 2, Informative
    As I have demonstrated previously, Technology Review is not to be trusted.

    From the last time I posted:

    I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in what Technology Review has to say. With a quick look at their staff you will see where their priorities lay. They have one fact checker and 26 people involved in marketing and advertising.

    They may have once been a reputable magazine, but since Bruce Journey took over, they are more concerned with selling magazines than quality reporting. Mr. Journey used to work for such rags as Time and TV Sports. When appointing Mr. Journey to lead Technology Review, William Hecht said:

    "Technology Review has long been highly regarded for its editorial excellence," Mr. Hecht said. "It is now time for MIT to invest in its commercial potential. With the appointment of Mr. Journey, we have begun the effort to secure a prominent place for Technology Review in the competitive world of commercial publishing."

    Besides that, Technology Review is twice removed from MIT. They are run by the Association of Alumni and Alumnae of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology which is loosely associated with MIT.

    I would really like to know why Slashdot keeps posting fantastical stories from that ratings-driven rag.

  21. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by generic-man · · Score: 2, Informative

    Use dig. When I run 'dig www.google.com', I see this:

    ;; ANSWER SECTION:
    www.google.com. 3600 IN CNAME www.google.akadns.net.
    www.google.akadns.net.&nb sp; 300 IN A 64.233.167.99
    www.google.akadns.net. 300 IN A 64.233.167.104

    Slashdot won't let me post the whole output due to their filters, but try it yourself.

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  22. Re:They're not going to merge, they can't. by sweetooth · · Score: 2, Informative
    Look a little deeper.
    dig www.google.com

    www.google.com. IN A

    ANSWER SECTION:
    www.google.com. 3600 IN CNAME www.google.akadns.net.
    www.google.akadns.net.&amp ;nb sp; 300 IN A 66.102.7.104
    www.google.akadns.net. 300 IN A 66.102.7.99

    AUTHORITY SECTION:
    akadns.net. 172800 IN NS a-93.akadns.net.
    etc....

    whois akadns.net

    Registrant:
    Akamai Technologies, Inc.
    8 Cambridge Center
    Cambridge, MA 02142
    US

    Domain name: AKADNS.NET

    wow, now was that so hard?
  23. where to turn... by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's actually plenty of competitors for Akamai's product -- it's one of the reasons they're having such trouble getting to profitability. It turns out that a static edge caching service is, while tricky, not quite rocket science, and several companies have done it: off the top of my head, Speedera, Globix, and Digital Islands (or whoever owns them now; probably level3).

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  24. Re:Akamai competitors - AT&T and Speedera. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Did AT&T ever launch a real product, or just sales brocures.

    Back a few years ago (company was doing about 50Mbps sustained through Akamai) AT&T came and pitched us on how they were just as good as Akamai - except that they didn't actually have a large network of servers yet - just a couple here and a couple oversees - but that don't worry they were well-connected servers and could buy more someday.

    Was quite the surreal experience. I think they really just wanted us to switch phone hosting facilities (were using MCI).