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Andromeda And Mutant X Cancelled

dmehus writes "Science fiction fans may be dismayed to learn that "Mutant X" and "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda" have been cancelled, despite the fact "Andromeda" had been cleared for a final season beginning in the fall. That prospect seems highly unlikely as the show's producer, Fireworks Entertainment, is shutting its doors for good and owner CanWest Global Communications (which also owns canada.com, the National Post, Global Television, and a bunch of other media assets) announced it will take a $159 million writedown on Fireworks. The news means "Mutant X" has a series total of three seasons and 66 episodes, while "Andromeda" will have a series total of 88 episodes in four seasons. Slashdot has previously covered 'Andromeda'."

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  1. 88 and rough end is tough fate in TV biz... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In TV-land, 100 is a magic number for a weekly series. When you hit 100 episodes, you have enough episodes to go 5-a-week and last 20 weeks without a repeat. That's good enough to survive on cable or syndication with a nearly infinite life. Lesser series have done it, but you've gotta be really deep to not risk burn-out.

    So, Andromida stopping at 88 is kinda an ugly number to get caught at. Sci-Fi might have an interest in funding a series-ending run of about 13 episodes to run as an exclusive event, and therefore give the show some life in daily reruns. 88 with an abrupt-stop ending just isn't that valuable for reruns in comparision.

    Of course, that depends on Sci-Fi being able to see the value in rerun rights. If the library of Fireworks assets including the 88 existing episodes get sold to a party that's not interested in letting Sci-Fi have the show on a 5-a-week daytime basis at a reasonable price... then there's no point in doing the deal.

    The Sci-Fi saves the show thread is a longshot, but it could happen so it can't be ignored. The show's not dead yet, but it's taken a usually-fatal blow.

    1. Re:88 and rough end is tough fate in TV biz... by Chalybeous · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Shows have survived in syndication with less. There were, if I remember right, 79 episodes of Star Trek (plus the original pilot, which remained unaired til the mid-1990s, although it was released on video around 1984-85) when it went into syndication.
      That said - the original Star Trek was a good series. I've seen some Andromeda, and while it looked okay and had the occasional interesting moment (not to mention some impressive visuals and sets - I remember seeing a giant observation deck with a diplomatic function going on), it never hooked me. Probably part of it was that I can't stand Kevin Sorbo - although DeepWater Black's Gordon Michael Wolvett was a welcome addition to the cast, and Lexa Doig is reasonably easy on the eye.

      No offence to those who like Andromeda, but I think it's about time people stopped cashing in on Gene Roddenberry's name just to get ratings. (modern Trek's high point was DS9 - since then, it's just been flogging a dead franchise!)

      DISCLAIMER: The above views of TV shows are just my opinion. Yours may vary. Remember, opinions are like assholes - kindly stop shoving yours in my face ;-)

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    2. Re:88 and rough end is tough fate in TV biz... by Babbster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Actually, 100 is the magic number for "big money" syndication. There are many (many) TV shows in perpetual rerun land nowadays because there are so many channels with relatively little content. Given the number of awful movies that Sci-Fi Channel trots out on a regular basis, they'll probably have Andromeda in reruns for the duration.

      Finally, I would note that the idea of Sci-Fi funding enough episodes just to round out to 100 is just silly. After all, they're the only network that's likely to be interested in rerunning Andromeda ANYWAY, so why would they want to make the property more valuable (and thus more costly) unless they truly think that making new episodes is a profitable proposition (as they did with SG-1)?

    3. Re:88 and rough end is tough fate in TV biz... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Informative

      No offence to those who like Andromeda, but I think it's about time people stopped cashing in on Gene Roddenberry's name just to get ratings.

      Actually, Andromeda did have a basis in Roddenberry's work -- at least more so than Earth:Final Conflict did (unless I missed something). The original idea was a show called "Genesis II" about a man named Dylan Hunt who was put in some kind of suspension for an experiment, and found by a group called Pax something like 150 years later, after Earth had been through bad events and balkanized. He and the Pax teams would use subshuttles to get to all the different city-states that had grown up after a technological and civil collapse. The intent was to give the characters access to many different cultures, like the Enterprise had in Trek, and let us watch as Pax and Dylan rebuilt society. There was another pilot, very similar, called "Earth II" (I think), that, again, had Dylan Hunt sleep for a long time (this time on a space station), before returning to a balkanized Earth to help rebuild civilization.

    4. Re:88 and rough end is tough fate in TV biz... by Chalybeous · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's a lot of stuff in Roddenberry's notes, and I acknowledge that Andromeda was drawn from there. But basically, the Andromeda we have now was made from those notes and updated by other people, and Gene's name was only used as a crowd-puller (i.e. brand recognition for Trekkies).

      All I'm saying is, Gene's been dead for over a decade. Isn't it about time TV stopped making shows from his thirty year-old rough drafts? Strikes me as a combination of authorised plagarism (his widow and son are involved in it) and grave robbery...

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    5. Re:88 and rough end is tough fate in TV biz... by Chalybeous · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know about its air status in the US, but "The Cage" was aired at least once on BBC2 in the early-to-mid-1990s (I have a feeling it was either 1991 or 1996, for the 25th or 30th anniversaries, but I could be wrong). I just chose not to say anything before you chimed in, in case someone decided to mod me "-1, Smartass" ;-)

      For the uninitiated (and there probably aren't many on /.), Star Trek's second pilot (at the time, an unprecedented feat in TV) was called "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and aired as the third episode of the first season. This is why the uniforms, consoles and equipment (and some of the sets) don't match up - although the sets went through a near-constant process of upgrading, so there's a clear but gradual change between "The Man Trap" (the first regular episode) and, say, "Balance of Terror".

      OK, I just earned myself 2D10+5 geek points for that little FYI...

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  2. One could say ... by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 5, Funny

    -- They're dead, Jim.

    1. Re:One could say ... by mphase · · Score: 4, Funny

      And so the Bad Shows were executed in the mannor most befitting virgins.

    2. Re:One could say ... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Slashdot, the only place you can make a Futurama reference and then have it expounded upon.

      Futurama lasted only 72 episodes, yet is still doing perfectly well in 5-a-week infinite reruns on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. It is possible to survive with less than 100 episodes... but the show has to be detail-filed and good in general.

  3. on the other hand... by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Science fiction fans may be dismayed to learn that "Mutant X" and "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda" have been cancelled


    Though fans of quality television will rejoice. Mutant X? It has to be one of the worst TV shows I've seen more than 5 minutes of in the last 10 years.

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    1. Re:on the other hand... by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "Mutant X" has a series total of three seasons and 66 episodes

      That's 67 episodes (I'm fining them an extra one...) too many as far as I'm concerned. Andromeda was just barely watchable and only because I of Keith Hamilton Cobb's (Tyr Anasazi) overacting while he was still there. I tuned in to see just how much he would ham it up this week.

      Mutant X on the other hand was unexcusably horrible on all levels.

      Sci-Fi Channel must be kicking themselves in the ass. The passed on Firefly to get a show whose studio goes belly-up before they even air an original episode.

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    2. Re:on the other hand... by clickety6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Action/Sci-Fi doesn't always need special effects. Sci-Fi isn't just laser guns and spaceships and giant sand worms and 3D holographic simulations. The trouble is, everybody wants to be Star Trek these days.

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  4. And yet... by Jhon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Enterprise gets picked up for another season.

    Isn't it obvious? GOOD SF doesn't sell. Cheap commercialized tripe does.

    1. Re:And yet... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Enterprise keeps getting renewed because UPN needs something, anything, with the Star Trek brand in order to hold the network together. UPN is a constant sixth who sometimes risks falling to seventh behind Spanish-language Univision. It's main problem is any time Paramount has a good show, sister network CBS grabs it. Having to eat CBS's leftovers, and then having its backbone major-city affiliates also being treated as CBS's little sister just is no way to run a network.

    2. Re:And yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as they don't cancel StarGate SG 1. It is the only *good* Scifi on the air right now. Not that this means anything to cancel-bots who will cheerfully favor horrid garbage -- as long as it is cheap to make.

    3. Re:And yet... by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Enterprise gets picked up for another season.

      Isn't it obvious? GOOD SF doesn't sell. Cheap commercialized tripe does.


      Did you just call Andromeda and Mutant X good sci-fi?

      Andromeda has spaceships making race car noises, and Mutant X had its Xavier-wannabe use communication satellites to download the DNA needed to stop an epidemic in mutants!

      Not that I'm defending Enterprise, I think Rick Berman should be stoned to death, but Andromeda? Mutant X? Good riddance!

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  5. Yet another quality Slashdot communitycancellation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    First goatse.cx gets shutdown, now Andromeda.

    Is nothing sacred anymore?

    What's next - Lucasfilm is cancelling Episode III!!?!?

  6. 88? by kahei · · Score: 4, Funny


    *88* episodes? The fact that someone kept Andromeda going for 88 episodes is deeply disturbing. I always assumed there were only about 4, and they got repeated a lot.

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  7. Not really by laiquendi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Science fiction fans may be dismayed to learn that "Mutant X" and "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda" have been cancelled

    Heh, more likely they won't. Save your pity for Firefly.

  8. Mutant X by thisfred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't seen much Andromeda, but I can't say I'm surprised to see Mutant X cancelled. All it was, really, was a very cheap ripoff of the X-Men (Scientist provides place for young and confused mutants and together they fight crime.), and it didn't even seem to want to hide that fact. Good riddance.

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  9. Obligatory… by RadRafe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blame Canada.com!

  10. Good riddance to bad crap by JoeShmoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean...seriously...these shows are unwatchable. Completely. Why in God's name would anyone mourn these shows being cancelled?

    There's no science. Please, someone find me the gene that lets a guy turn into some kind of Lava monster. That's a more amazing evolutionary feat than the bombadier beetle. It's like the worst parts of the worst episodes of X-Files all jammed into an solid 40 minutes, with an entire rip on the whole X-Men concept to boot.

    And Andromeda...starts out with this gimmick of a holographic hot chick representing the ship (sort of a video version of Star Trek's talking female ship voice). Then they drop all pretense and somehow she becomes a walking talking hologram. And then later, I'm not sure, but did she end up turning into a real girl somehow? And those stupid names. God, who the hell green lights crap like "Rev Blem" or "Trance Gemini"...oooo! So alien! So spacey future sounding!

    Forget it. Other shows, like Farscape or whatever, hey...I'm not a fan, but I can be appropriately sad to hear another Sci-Fi show bites the dust. But Mutant X? No. Andromeda? Quit beating the dead Roddenbery. These shows should die...every dollar not wasted on them is perhaps another dollar that can maybe somehow through a miracle end up going towards new Firefly episodes.

    - JoeShmoe
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    1. Re:Good riddance to bad crap by Kris_J · · Score: 5, Interesting
      And Andromeda...starts out with this gimmick of a holographic hot chick representing the ship (sort of a video version of Star Trek's talking female ship voice). Then they drop all pretense and somehow she becomes a walking talking hologram. And then later, I'm not sure, but did she end up turning into a real girl somehow?
      There are three distinct versions. A screen-only, all-business personality. A cynical hologram. And a modified "we robots don't have emotions and sometimes that makes me really sad" robot. It is to Lexa Doig's credit that she unflinchingly maintained these three distinct versions of the same character through all the bad scripts and questionable editing.
    2. Re:Good riddance to bad crap by JoeShmoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thank you for clearing that up...not that it really matters but...I really question the direction and general quality of a show when major plot points are subject to such huge revisions. Case in point...

      Enterprise was sold on the principle of a "simpler, earlier Trek". Remember the exolinguist Hoshi? Remember the struggle to communicate? Wasn't that supposed to be a major theme of the series? It took precisely five episodes for the show to go from "omg omg omg the computer will take six hours to translate this so we know if this alien is hostile" to "I'm Captain Archer onboard an alien prison ship but apparently everyone speaks English or the Universal Translator is now small enough to fit invisibly in my ear". Enterprise has pretty much thrown out everything it was based on, giving us episodes involving time plots and DeathStars more complicated that anything from the other so-called advanced series.

      Back to Andromeda...I gave it a try or two for the first half season or so then promptly forgot about it. A couple years later when I revisited it during a bout of insomnia, I remember thinking that absolutely nothing was the same. The angry fend for himself bounty hunter was somehoe like the chief ship security officer, the pacifist preacher was doing some kind of ninja kung fu, and the hologram of the ship was somehow walking around and trying to get laid. Or something like that. Anyway, I got the sense that the series had probably been through two or three shark jumps and flipped back to Cheers reruns for the 10000th time.

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  11. Conversely... by ScriptGuru · · Score: 5, Funny

    Science fans may be excited to learn that "Mutant X" has been cancelled.

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  12. Re:Yet another quality Slashdot communitycancellat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's next - Lucasfilm is cancelling Episode III!!?!?

    We can only hope...

  13. He's dead, Jim. by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the name above the title was dead years before the show started... you're running a show based on an idea that wasn't good enough to go forward when he was alive. That's the first sign you're in trouble.

  14. Too bad by noewun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Andromeda's best point, imo, was that it didn't take itself seriously. It never pretended to be anything other than a cheesy science fiction show, and had a lot of fun with some of the sillier conventions of sci fi. To me, it was the perfect antidote to shows like DS9, which seemed to be so concerned with being "serious" sci fi they forgot about things like character, dialog or plot.

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  15. Holy cow! by natet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I must be the only person on the face of the planet who actually liked both of these shows. I watched them, not to learn some profound truth, or for their rigid adherance to sound scientific principles, but because they entertained me. Don't get me wrong, neither were my favorite shows, I wouldn't go out of my way to watch them, but if they were on, and I wasn't watching something else, I would watch them.

    Even if I hated both of these shows, I would still be sad to see them go. The main reason is... With the trend of sci-fi shows being cancelled, eventually all we will be left with are the vapid teeny-bopper soap operas (Smallville anyone?) that seem to be so prevalent lately.

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    1. Re:Holy cow! by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't get me wrong, neither were my favorite shows, I wouldn't go out of my way to watch them, but if they were on, and I wasn't watching something else, I would watch them.

      You, sir, showcase the alarming arbitrariness of the TiVoless.

  16. Re:Fireworks did put out some decent genre TV by Coward,+Anonymous · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a list of everything produced by Fireworks.

  17. make that 3.5 by The+Rizz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stargate is pretty much guaranteed to run its whole plot out without getting cancelled (since there's only 1 season left, and production is already a good deal underway). Unfortunately, the later seasons' plotlines aren't as good as the earler ones... but at least it's another to add to the list.

    Also, there is ReBoot ... well, sorta. They finished off the story started in season 2 when they were picked up (nearly 5 years later) for season 3. Then a few years later they got the greenlight to do new episodes and started a new major plot ... just in time to get cancelled mid-plotline yet again!
    However, it is animated so it may not count in this list, anyway.

  18. As close to the horses mouth as I can find: by Hungus · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is pulled directly from the official andromeda bboards:
    From: JeremyTII Apr-21 7:51 pm
    To: Rayhana (27 of 56)
    11360.27 in reply to 11360.26

    While I cannot answer every question everyone has about the issues discussed in this thread, I believe I can offer some encouraging information.

    From speaking with TPTB, I can tell you this: Mutant X and Andromeda have not been written off; Tribune very much wants to produce another season (meaning S4 and S5, respectively) of both shows.

    Beyond that, I really don't know many details.  Bottom line: You, the viewers, want the shows to come back.  Tribune is trying very hard to make sure that happens, I assure you.

    On another note, Marta is no longer with Tribune.  In the interest of preventing future rumor-mongering, I will say that she was not fired or laid off; she left voluntarily, and on good terms. She may log in here again sometime, but that's up to her.

    Hang in there, folks; we're tryin' our hardest.
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  19. Its still running? by OriginalChops · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know that momnet in time where you switch the TV on and it shows you something on the channel you left it, just before you decide to change channels?

    Well, thats probably all the entertainment i got out of Andromida after the first episode. The quote "Did you see the size of him? He looks like some ancient Greek God or something!" did it for me...

    Did any of you manage to see "John Doe"? Now that I was sad to see canseled. And canselation of Firefly should be considered an act of treason, any an all people involved in that decision should be procecuted to the full extent of the law in all countries Firefly was shown.

  20. Pure science fiction will never sell. by master_p · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's why lots of excellent true fictionary science books have never been touched for televised media. Average Joe does not really understand science, and he/she does not want to be bothered with operating their brain.

    Throw a little soap opera in there, and you may have a winner.

  21. Of course science does not sell... by tizzyD · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Really, even look at CSI. It's not a show about the science of forensic analysis, how they can use DNA to determine a 1 in a billion chance of who did it, or how lasers help them solve crimes. It's about the story. It's always been about the story.

    Consider the oldest stories, like the Indian epic the Mahabharata or the Greek's Iliad. It's not about the wars or conflicts. It's about the interplay between people. It's always been about the context of the people. We as people want to see other people experiencing things.

    Now, look at the lastest successful sci-fi, IMHO Babylon 5. Sure, they made space fighting a lot more realistic. But it was the story of the Shadows vs. the Vorlons, Sheridan's heroic sacrifice on Z'ha'dum, and the betrayal of Garibaldi. Really, look at this summary about the conflict:

    The Shadows, awakened years earlier from a millenium-long slumber on their ancestral home of Z'ha'dum, gradually made their presence known, and their purpose became clear: weeding out the weak and defenseless among the younger races to promote rapid evolution. Moving largely behind the scenes, they set the younger races upon one another, causing wars and inciting genocide. The Shadows are the embodiment of the question, "What do you want?" They seek not military victory, but philosophical dominance, a universe in which younger races scramble madly to attain their goals without regard for the consequences. Such an environment demands chaos, and it's chaos the Shadows have so effectively brought upon the major races.

    When the other First Ones departed for reasons of their own, the Vorlons were left behind to oppose the Shadow philosophy. If the Shadows represent chaos, the Vorlons are lords of order: they seek the same outcome, the advancement of younger races, but on their terms, whether their charges like it or not. The Vorlons prefer to ask the question, "Who are you?" It is a question that leads to introspection and spiritual growth, but not to expansion or scientific advancement.

    Unfortunately, the struggle between the two philosophies is played out not among the ancients, but among the younger races, unwitting pawns in a game few yet realize is being played.

    Little here talks about science, the reality of evolution, or the underlying science. It's about philosophy, life, and the questions we all encounter along our own life. That's the story, and that's what made it more interesting than any show about cool tools. It's never been about the tools. They just get us to start watching. It's always been about the relationships, whether we want to admit it or not.
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  22. Two things we should think about. by Yo+Grark · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Mutant X was not a cheesy ripoff of X-men, it was sanctioned by Marvel in a struggling time and helped keep Marvel going even in a small capacity. Besides it was filmed in Canada, most in Toronto, how much quality can you REALLY get? :P

    2. Andromeda WAS good with good story arcs till Sorbo decided that his "fans" couldn't handle anything more than 1 story long and became "episode adventures" after he fired a true writing guru...

    "Robert Hewitt Wolfe has parted company with the last bastion of scifi for people with half a brain - Andromeda. Wolfe said: "Basically, they want the show to be more action driven, more Dylan-centric, and more episodic. They also want more aliens, more space battles, and less internal conflict among the principal characters. Also, they want a lot less continuity so as not to confuse the casual or new viewer with too much backstory."

    Well congrats Sorbo, your simple plan worked perfectly. Maybe they'll invite you back on a Young Hercules episode. Wait...that was cancelled too you say? HA!

    Yo Grark

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  23. Re: "Dismayed" is a bit strong. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Informative


    > WTF is "jumping the shark"?

    Originally it meant a show doing something outrageous and irrelevant in order to boost sagging ratings, e.g. Fonzie jumping over sharks on waterskis.

    Now the term seems to be generalized to a couple of broader meanings by a lot of people, such as (a) making changes that take it away from its original conception, or even (b) simply going down the tubes.

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  24. Re:No Offense Intended by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do people whatch that dren?

    Simple, the majority of people are idiots, and TV networks look to attract as many viewers as possible. If its a well written show with many plot twists and great dialogue, its bound to confuse a significant portion of TV viewers, who find it uncomfortable. The key is to find an acceptable level of mediocrity. If people weren't getting dumber and less literate, there would be no motivation to reduce the reading level of news magazines.

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  25. Re: No Offense Intended by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny


    > uncomfortable. The key is to find an acceptable level of mediocrity. If people weren't getting dumber and less literate, there would be no motivation to reduce the reading level of news magazines.

    Would you mind explaining that again, without using so many big words?

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  26. Re:DS9...Huh? by Chalybeous · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, I'm calling it the high point of modern (post-1987, non-theatrical) Trek. Sure, like any show, it had trash and treasure - but it also had some well-made, thoughtful episodes, a reasonably good Dominion War arc, and the lovingly produced 30th anniversary special, "Trials and Tribbleations". Remember, even TOS had "Spock's Brain" - and weighing it up on my favourite episodes, it outshines TNG, Voyager and Enterprise. Of course, DS9 will never be as good as classic Trek...

    It's not the best TV scifi ever made, but it beats the pants off Voyager!
    (The best recent scifi are the three Fs - Farscape, Firefly and Futurama!)

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  27. Ripoff... yes... by Raptor+CK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In fact, it was such a ripoff that they even had Marvel slap their name on it!

    As I recall, the reasoning behind Mutant X was that Marvel has some agreement with Fox regarding any X-Men TV series, but they weren't getting anywhere, so they scrambled to get *some* mutant-related show on the air with any other network.

    Mutant X is basically just X-Men tweaked to the point where isn't legally X-Men, and can therefore be aired on UPN. Of course it's crap, but I doubt it can be called a ripoff when it's done by the same people. Unoriginal, sure. Derivative, certainly. Ripoff? Not so much.

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