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Build Your Own Monowheel

glengineer writes "Just when you thought it was safe to buy a Segway, Popular Sci has an article on the Monster Monowheel, an 1,100 pound single wheel 'scooter'. From the article: '...works on the hamster-in-a-wheel principle: Move a wheel's center of gravity forward and the wheel turns.' It has an 80cc four-stroke Honda scooter engine and 80 pounds of lead for ballast. Scary part: the driver's seat is in the very front, and the seat scrapes the ground when braking really hard." The builder's website is theriotwheel.com.

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  1. It looks really wide... by adrianbaugh · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... and since the tyre profile looks quite rectangular I guess it's "wheely" hard to steer ;-)

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    1. Re:It looks really wide... by wankledot · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What would be cool would be two large wheels in the back, with the ability to power one more than the other. Then they could be rectangular for better traction, plus you could turn on a dime (literally) and spin in place. You could work out a differential system to turn them both in the same direction for top speed, or power one more than the other to turn. Or to do it simply (but inefficiently) upt brakes on them and slow the right one down to turn right, etc.

      You're right though, if it was one large wheel you would need some secondary method for steering, unlike the other one-wheel devices that rely on leaning right/left on a more motorcycle-like rounded tire.

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    2. Re:It looks really wide... by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As it is - it could be useful for strange locations.

      We talk about humvees being the all terrain vehicle, but in the end - the ability to "port" the vehicle (carry by hand) is what makes a vehicle trully All terrain.

      a mono wheel maximized diameter while minimizing size - it is therefore the optimal design for an all terrain vehicle.

      AIK

    3. Re:It looks really wide... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      What would be cool would be two large wheels in the back, with the ability to power one more than the other. Then they could be rectangular for better traction, plus you could turn on a dime (literally) and spin in place. You could work out a differential system to turn them both in the same direction for top speed, or power one more than the other to turn. Or to do it simply (but inefficiently) upt brakes on them and slow the right one down to turn right, etc.

      Do you mean, like a...Segway?

    4. Re:It looks really wide... by wankledot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except that low-speed stability would be very poor, especially on bumpy terrain. Maybe a very large two-wheel single-axle vehicle.

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    5. Re:It looks really wide... by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Interesting


      This is kind of off the subject, but it's a three-wheeler also.

      T-Rex.

      I've seen a few of them here in Montreal, especially during F1 season.

      Apparently it's a road rocket, but given the low seating position and view that the rider/driver (as compared to a bike) has you'd have to be extra super careful when piloting it. Very cool, though, it never fails to attract more attention than the usual Ferraris and Bugattis.

    6. Re:It looks really wide... by MrScience · · Score: 2, Funny

      At 1100 pounds? I'm not exactly fit, but I think my fingers would get tired...

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    7. Re:It looks really wide... by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work in shipping, and had a lightbulb today. Why not fill bubble wrap bubbles with helium. On large packages it wouldn't make much difference, but on small things it would probably save a few bucks. Not sure how feasible it is though... Pat. Pending... :-p

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    8. Re:It looks really wide... by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For a humvee to be truly considered an ATV it would need to carry a supply of high explosive to remove gates, trees, rocks and a digger arm to widen the road where necessary.

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  2. See also... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone linked to this when we had the article about the Bombardier Embrio, another cool concept employing segway-type gyroscopic action.

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    1. Re:See also... by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Funny

      I find Maddox's segway design ideas intriging.

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  3. What impresses me MOST... by YankeeInExile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... is that they have a version that is licensed as a motorvehicle in California.

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    1. Re:What impresses me MOST... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Rear-end impact, 5 MPH: wheel tipped forward, occupant thrown forward onto ground and run over by vehicle. Slightly above-average damage (approx. 7 standard deviations above the mean for CA motor vehicles).

      Front-end impact, 5 MPH: occupant's legs broken off, driver seat torn off and subsequently run over by vehicle. Comparable economic impact to modern SUV damage estimates.

      Side impact, 5 MPH: vehicle tipped on side, occupant's left arm broken off, driver seat broken off due to shear force and subsequently crushed under vehicle. Comparable results to Segway Human Transporter.

      Head-on impact, 120 MPH combined: occupant broken into several pieces, many of which fused to the vehicle and subsequently crushed under weight of vehicle. Comparable to average damage when involved in a collision with an SUV.

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    2. Re:What impresses me MOST... by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 4, Funny

      is that they have a version that is licensed as a motorvehicle in California.

      You're impressed that California found a way to tax this thing? I'd be impressed if the builders found a way to avoid it.

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  4. Ummmm by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not so sure that it's a good idea to ride a vehicle that, if it fails at high speed, will run the driver over. All it takes is for something to seize up a little bit.

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    1. Re:Ummmm by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that if something siezes up in the right place, it makes not much difference if you have two wheels or one.

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    2. Re:Ummmm by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But a motorcycle's front wheel is free-rolling, and the cycle has a lower center of gravity. The monowheel already scrapes the ground when braking, it's not very stable as far as pitch is concerned. The driver is basically a bump on a 1100-pound wheel, and if something happens, it's all gonna roll.

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    3. Re:Ummmm by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not so sure that it's a good idea to ride a vehicle that, if it fails at high speed, will run the driver over. All it takes is for something to seize up a little bit.

      Seriously, did you read the article? The driver is held in place by a counterbalance. Even with no power, the rules of physics do not change.

      LK

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    4. Re:Ummmm by neurojab · · Score: 4, Informative

      >The driver is held in place by a counterbalance. Even with no power, the rules of physics do not change.

      Indeed. If the mechanism that allows the wheel to spin independently of the driver were to sieze up at 60MPH, what do you imagine would happen to that massive wheel's rotational inertia?

      It woudn't be pretty.

    5. Re:Ummmm by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I imagine a very comical-yet-terrifying leap into the air followed by a large amount of spinning and bouncing. Of course, the driver would be dead before the wheel came down for the first bounce.

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    6. Re:Ummmm by KarmaBlackballed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless the counterbalance can adjust position without power, an engine seize at high speed will result in the following series of events:

      1. Wheel locks up. (Conservation of momentum requires that the vehicle continue moving forward.)
      2. Because of the seize event, the frame now spins with the wheel.
      3. Look who is spinning with the frame, that flat guy. See him, no look now, see him? No look again, there he is, wait, he will spin back around, see him now?

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    7. Re:Ummmm by ignorant_newbie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >Because of the seize event, the frame now
      spins with the wheel.

      um... yeah. except that the weel weighs almost nothing (it's a big tire with a gear bolted onto it. the heavy part is suspended in the middle, and consists of several counterweights, etc.

      thus, the inertia of the weel is almost nothing compared to the intertia of the non-rotating bits, and isn't going to flip you over, any more than your car filps over during a front stop.

      moron.

    8. Re:Ummmm by cybercuzco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just design it so the wheel cant lock up. Have it powered by a ratchet system (think bycycle) so that when power is not applied the wheel still spins. Thus if the engine locks up all that happens is that you roll to a stop. You could theoretically push it when the engine is off with this system. A better way to lock the wheel up is by braking (going into a skid) so antilock brakes are a must.

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    9. Re:Ummmm by random735 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      wrong. notice how your car tips forward during a hard stop? There may not be much rotational inertia, but there sure as hell is forward momentum and if the wheel suddenly becomes joined to the previously floating central axle, the whole thing will need to roll together. (or maybe skid, if you're lucky...all depends how much traction the wheel has).

      All your forward momentum will be converted into a rotation as soon as the seize event occurs. (again unless the wheel can slide because it's on a frictionless surface)

    10. Re:Ummmm by Cecil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, because I know of so many people who have been maimed because their bicycle or motorcycle wheels seized up for no apparent reason out of the blue. Wait, actually, I don't even know anyone who has ever had any mechanical parts seize up at random while a vehicle is in motion.

      Why do so many people insist on responding to every new idea with "Wow, this could hurt someone" hysteria? Are they like the anti-invention version of Slashdot's grammar police?

  5. Cool, the latest from apple: The iWheel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny


    Can I get an Envirofriendly Gas Hybrid Model in Candy Apple Red?

    and does it have an iPod hookup?

    1. Re:Cool, the latest from apple: The iWheel. by ubugly2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just paint it some weird pastels and call it the iDarwin...

  6. Nifty! by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I read the summary, I thought "Oh, like the one on Monster Garage". For those of you who didn't see the one they featured (briefly), there was a monowheel with a Caddilac engine, and the rider rode on the inside... at high speeds it was unstable until the designer added Stabilizing fins...

    But, for those of you who don't RTFA: You ride in FRONT of the wheel. It's *really* fuggin' cool looking.

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    1. Re:Nifty! by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My thoughts to, though that kind of thing is not new. They have been around for decades. I remember the bochure for my university for the engineering department had a guy working on one on the cover 5 years ago. They were also done on junkyard wars. Hell, even Gadget on chip and dale rescue rangers made one, with suction cups on the outside no less.

      Really curious how this guy turns with that tire. Someplace there is a copper mine with a dump truck that lost a wheel, and it looks like the joker got away with the wheel and showed up at burning man.

      Silly Hippies

  7. Scary part: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scary part: the driver's seat is in the very front, and the seat scrapes the ground when braking really hard.

    In other words, Ford owners will feel right at home.

  8. Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check out www.zekewheel.com too, if you want a non-motorized wheel to ride inside of downhill.

  9. The Bikers know how do to it by pvt_medic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just check this site out where a bunch of harley riding bikers have created their own monowheel thingy.

    Automobile Mag

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    1. Re:The Bikers know how do to it by l810c · · Score: 2, Funny

      That thing sure makes harley riders look like wussies.

    2. Re:The Bikers know how do to it by Etcetera · · Score: 4, Interesting


      Here's a video link from a link from the article. It's described as what "must be the first operational V8 monowheel."

      Nifty! Though I do like the RIOTWheel too...

  10. I love the diagram on their site... by BitWarrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    Particularly the labeling of the rider as - "Dummy". I may have to agree with that assessment ;-)

    1. Re:I love the diagram on their site... by bergeron76 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If for no other reason than that he's riding this "contraption" without a shirt! I can understand wearing a leather jacket, or hell even a t-shirt - but to go topless on something like that takes serious balls...

      Of course, I could just be jealous because I look like E.T. when I take my shirt off... but I digress.

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  11. nice by stfubye · · Score: 3, Funny

    The local segway owners will be soo jelous.

  12. Steamroller by RotJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    The most obvious use for this vehicle is to run over those snotty people using Segways. Of course, I guess you'd have to back up over them.

  13. Is it just me? by JazzXP · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally I think the whole concept of that is really quite cool, that said, I don't think it's place is on the road with other motorists, maybe only on a race track.

    1. Re:Is it just me? by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For some people maybe... as far as I'm concerned everyone should be allowed to drive whatever they want as long as:

      a) they can go fast enough, stop fast enough, and maneuver well enough to avoid inconveniencing or endangering other drivers.

      b) in the event of an impact they will not unduly endanger the lives of others. i.e. a car can be strong enough to protect you without being so heavy that it's guaranteed to destroy anything it hits.

      So by my rules there would be no gas guzzling, top heavy, overweight, unmaneuverable SUVs on the road. But monocycles would be just fine by me if you want to ride one.

      Personally I drive a little 2 door that stops faster than 99% of the cars on the road, can swerve around a hazard with ease, and weighs less than 3K lbs so it won't kill you if I run into your bumper. And it's got four airbags and a strong frame in case you run into me. If you want to ride a monocycle go ahead - you're endangering me less than the asshole in his Expedition, and you're doubltess aware of the... er "safety limitations" of your own vehicle and won't be dicking around those guys in their living rooms on wheels.

    2. Re:Is it just me? by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I'd rather be in one of these than one of these, yet the former weighs almost a tonne less. Weight isn't the only important factor.

  14. Whackety - Whack! Don't Talk Back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If this goes south on him/her, it has got to make one of the best "Whackety-splat-whackety-splat" sounds the world has ever heard. 1,100 pounds and stabilized on the horizontal axis by only 65 pounds of gyros? If you have ever seen a gyro fail at high speed, well, uh, can you say mincemeat?

    1. Re:Whackety - Whack! Don't Talk Back by HawkinsD · · Score: 3, Funny

      But there is a SKID in the front. Which makes this machine GROSSLY safer, and more practical, and stop-able, than the last thirty designs for mono-wheel vehicles that we've seen on Slashdot.

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  15. Twisted Metal by bigtrick · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doesn't this remind anyone of Axel from Twisted Metal? You have a huge wheel and a shirtless guy riding it. Mmmm, I can imagine the fiery explosions that will ensue.

  16. Amazing by dirtsurfer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clown technology has really come a long way

  17. This is new? by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a vehicle out there that really IS a monowheel -- it has no axle at all. It's a one-wheeled motorcycle with the driver inside the wheel...I've seen it demonstrated at motorcycle shows. The frame, holding the seat and engine, runs on a circular steel monorail with a tire around the outside of it, about 6 feet in diameter.

    It's also a very retro-looking thing, built sometime around the early Thirties.

    rj

    1. Re:This is new? by some_schmuck · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, I don't think you understand the concept of 'monowheel' ... It means 'one wheel', so it doesn't matter if there's an axle or not.

      It's from the Greek, 'mono' meaning 'one wheel', and 'wheel' meaning 'duh' ;-).

    2. Re:This is new? by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm, yes...and the picture shows what looks like TWO wheels on an axle. You can call it a biwheel or a roller, your choice: either way, gravity constrains it against motion about the longitudinal axis. The monowheel motorcycle contacts the ground at ONE point.

      rj

  18. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Seriously, did you read the article?

    You must be new here...

  19. Best Quote from the Article by MikeDawg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    (From the FAQ)
    Why the Top Hat?
    Dignity, always dignity.
    The runner-up to this would most likely be:
    Technical - The Driver
    What Does it Do?
    Controls the wheel using its bodyweight, the joystick, throttle and brake. Looks out for suicidal pedestrians and bicyclists. Aims toward them.
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  20. Yeah... by Cyno01 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thats what i thought at first too, kinda dissapointed. Although the one on monster garage reminded me waaay to much of the "It" on south park... Linky

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  21. Mr. Garrison's invention? by rkmath · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is an improved version of what we saw in South Park. There is no steering lever to be inserted into the rider's mouth. The other lever is still being used I think, as in Mr. Garrison's design.

  22. How much would 'they' charge by kurt555gs · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Illinois the Tollway Authority charges 'per axle'

    I wonder if this would be free?

    Cheers

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  23. Umm... by dupper · · Score: 3, Funny
    Just when you thought it was safe to buy a Segway

    I never thought that. Well, I started to, once, and immediately preemptievly kicked my own ass.

  24. What a great idea! by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the safety of a poorly-made, precarious go-cart, but with the weight and fuel economy of a small car.

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  25. My Monowheel Experience by Sexual+Ass+Gerbil · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had a chance to test drive a monowheel last summer. The first time I had trouble learning how to steer all over again, Because of the high center of balance (hint: it's just below the line of radial symmetry), you must be very careful while turning to avoid tipping the vehicle over! This is especially tricky because slowing down for a turn results in gerbilling (see below for a definition) where the driver is swung up from the base of the vehicle, further raising the center of gravity at a time when you need it as low as possible. Fortunately, the second time I mastered the trick of bringing the vehicle to a near stop in order to make sharp corner turns. I've (fortunately!) had several opportunities to drive one since then and my skills have improved.

    For those interested, monowheel vehicles have a vocabularity of their own. For example, gerbilling is when a rider rotates around inside a monowheel due to a sudden force (such as when the wheel stops), much like what happens when a rodent stops running in an exercise wheel. Another loss of rotational control is due to the snowball effect. Snowballing is when a monowheel develops a coating of snow while rolling in much the same way you might build up layers on a snowball by rolling it. Be very careful when driving these things during winter! Monowheels are very efficient vehicles and even when driven on nearly flat ground-- even a small gradient can lead to rolling out of control.

    Monowheels will never be practical vehicles. However, as recreation vehicles, they are quite fun. They're a ride, literally. There's nothing quite like steering around in one of them and feeling the unique forces that can only be felt inside of a big moving wheel. I can tell you personally that gerbilling and snowballing are both enjoyable activities assuming you take the right precautions.

    1. Re:My Monowheel Experience by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can tell you personally that gerbilling and snowballing are both enjoyable activities assuming you take the right precautions.

      Lucky someone didn't take that statement out of context, you could be portrayed as someone decidedly unwholesome.

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  26. Oh, crap. by ro_coyote · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scary part: the driver's seat is in the very front, and the seat scrapes the ground when braking really hard.

    Well, it seems two definitions of the term "tire tracks" will finally meet...

  27. Does it come with a set of Fred Flintstone feet? by blair1q · · Score: 2, Funny

    This thing is the Lawn Dart of tomorrow.

  28. Another design - sit inside... by Bagheera · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't remember the specific issue, but there was an article in Car and Driver some time in the last year or two where a guy built a monowheel (actually a series of them) where the driver and motor set -inside- the diameter of the wheel. I seem to remember all of them had the motor ahead of the driver, and the whole thing running on some kind of big bearing structure. He sold them in kit form for about $8000 as I remember.

    The killer was the Monster version that had one of those tiny Buick V8's driving it. From what I remember of the article, he bailed it at something like 50 once...

    There have been a LOT of these things built over the years. Check out:

    http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/ mo torwhl/motorwhl.htm

    Now, as for this specific machine . . . I'm not sure I want my ass hanging out in FRONT of the rest of my vehicle like that. A motorcycle is bad enough with only a little overhang between you and the rest of the world. This thing just seems suicidal...

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  29. Junkyard Wars (scrapheap challenge) by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One episode of Junkyard Wars (Scrapheap Challenge its original UK title) was to make the teams BUILD a monowheel and race it.

    Their designs were based on the rider being inside the wheel. Picture a round cage with a seat. The seat is off-center so that it is near the bottom of the inside of the wheel. Thus the rider's weight is not in the center of mass (this is deliberate). When you accellerate the wheel, the torque swings the inner cage forward, making the rider's swing to the front, and when you apply the brake, the rider is swung backward. This is nicely stable because this is slightly countered by the tendency of the rider to get "left behind" when the vehicle accellerates, or get "thrown" to the front when it decellerates.

    One effect of this is that the maximum amount of accelleration or decelleration force is mostly a function of the rider's mass. If the vehicle is accellerating, then the rider is perpetually "falling" from the front down to the bottom, and this "falling" force translates into the Newtonian
    equal and opposite reaction" against the engine spinning the wheel. (Without this, the wheel might stay put on the pavement while the inner cage spins around.) So, the fatter the rider, the more push the vehicle can have (but, of course, the more push it *needs*, so I don't know if this is really helpful or not).

    Anyway, it was a cool episode right up to the moment they started actually trying to race the vehicles. Then it was comically SLOW. I think the teams actually made good vehicles, but they didn't have the driver skill to use them, and so they were too frightened to make them go. I suspect it was something akin to trying to use a unicycle.

    The vehicle is steered by the leaning of the driver, and it balances a bit like a unicycle.

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  30. Looks fine but..... by avidday · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where are the front and rear flexigrip handles?

  31. Re:Woah. by macshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would much much rather be on the road with bikers and truckers than the average joe/jane.

    Doesn't it just come down to `people suck,' though? If everyone drove a motorcycle, then the average motorcyclist would be completely clueless.

    [Best new auto safety feature: a giant spike in the middle of the steering wheel -- just watch how carefully people drive!]

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