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Internet2 Plus P2P Equals...
Bill, I'm lost in cyberspace... writes "News.com has an article up about a Direct Connected P2P network set up at universities which are on Internet2. This is majorly cool! More direct information is available at i2hub.com for those lucky enough to be located at a University with Internet2 access."
I highly doubt the RIAA even has access to the internet2
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Well at my school, the majority of the people with access to Internet2 are the Graduate Students, and I have a feeling they aren't spending their time file sharing (Though I could be majorly wrong, feel free to correct me). Ive thought about the abilities of Internet2, and the greatest things I could come up with were to instantly download ISO's for Linux Distributions, or massive amounts of source Code, or to trade a huge wealth of research. Im sure I am missing alot.
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It would be very interesting if the students managed to completely congest "internet2". I'm serious - if they do it then it demonstrates that we would still need more bandwidth.
Sorry, maybe I was not sufficiently clear (or, you are making a joke and I am excessively dense) - the "bears" in my OP are the copyright holders (or their hired goons).
Which is why I included my first paragraph -- developing Yet Another P2P protocol counts (albeit just barely) as research
I would be much more impressed if they spent this time developing something novel
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But we also knows that... if and when the funding get shut off - this internet2 will be turned to commerce inevitably.
And that was what happened in 1990s, sadly.
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My understanding was that any connection between 2 schools that were on Internet2 would automatically use the faster other pipe.
That's how it should be.
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Well, ok, the software being used is new...but I was trading legal live music over internet2 years ago. Theres a well known community called etree where people list ftp servers and listings of what they have and rules for there server. Someone came up with the idea of trying it with just internet2 users, so i2shn was born. Obviously, the amount of content was kind of small on i2shn...but I guess ftp could be described as p2p. It was still cool and I support this effort. And if people wanted to keep i2 strictly for educational use, they wouldn't allow dorm computers to automatically route through i2. When you give any student at a college the ability to use i2...of course they're going to do whatever they want with it. I checked network graphs for i2 at my school...and we probably never used more than a fraction of 1% of the total resources it provided us. Wicked cool.
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Yes. That's true, there will always be file-sharing. This doesn't mean we need to pollute the Internet2 with such things.
You may not realize that there ARE things that require huge bandwidth. Going to a research University (especially one attached to one of the top Medical schools in the country - Johns Hopkins) means that I've seen a LOT of data going back and forth. When our link to Internet2 went down last month, everyone noticed it because every campus connection suddenly got MUCH slower. Resnet, library connections, faculty connections, etc...Everyone noticed a change. So there is a lot of bandwidth that is necessary for research at i2 universities.
No, I don't know any specific research because I'm only a Freshman here, but (from working on Resnet, and knowing what I do about the bandwidth requirements, hardware, etc) I know that the Internet2 is used a whole lot here (as well as anywhere else), as can be proven by my previous utterance about the molasses-like slowdown.
Of course students aren't complaining - they don't care, so long as they get their sacred files.
I'm not debating any legality at all - that's immaterial. What I am saying is that this could eventually ruin the i2, if it gets out of hand.
Sure, one spam message doesn't hurt....so why not two, or four, or....etc. Spam has gotten out of hand and now permeates every corner of the Internet.
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Think about it. All it takes is ONE host on Internet2 providing a connection to ONE host on Internet1. And it *will* happen. Just wait and see. Maybe it will happen for illegitimate reasons, but I think it will happen for very legitimate reasons. Someone will need access for some reason or another, and there you have it.
Personally, I think that instead of building a bunch of separate networks, they should build more high-speed infrastructure for the Internet. Bigger pipes and more of them, more satellites, etc. Then, the speed will be there for just about anything, and communications within organizations can be protected with VPNs or other technologies.
Either that, or build many "parallel" Internets, each with specific purposes (science, government, business, 1337 h4x0rz, etc.) with highly controlled firewalled connections between them for allowing legitimate traffic to go between them.
Internet2 is also fully multicast enabled (up to the border router of the each institution). I've always thought it would be cool to somehow build in an option into peer to peer software to multicast software.
I imagine something like the following....
1. You announce the availability of a file
2. Other peers respond saying they would like it.
3. After pre-determined amount of time, if a threshold of users have responded that they want the file. Then send back another announcement that a multicast of the file will commence in some short time period (like 5 min).
4. Let it rip!
I'm sure there would be other problems to think about, like what happens if you drop packets....but it would still be cool.
I'm on an Internet2 multicast enabled organization, and as a test I multcasted a DVD LIVE using VLC to a friend on the other side of the world. It was really cool!