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Green Tea Cleans Hard Drive Heads

mprindle writes "Wired.com has an article announcing that a 'study of the use of green tea extracts for polishing the magnetic heads in hard-disk drives has yielded a compound that works three to four times faster than conventional compounds. If the findings can be reproduced in an industrial setting, the compound could reduce the cost and environmental impact of hard-drive manufacturing.' And you just thought that green tea was good to drink."

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  1. Green Tea by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always knew green tea was meant for something other than drinking.
    It's nasty stuff.

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    1. Re:Green Tea by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lies!
      Go to China, sit in a cafe in a bamboo forest next to a stream and have a glass of green tea. The tranquility of that is something I'm sure I'll remember for some time :-)

    2. Re:Green Tea by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 5, Funny
      Go to China, sit in a cafe in a bamboo forest next to a stream and have a glass of green tea. The tranquility of that is something I'm sure I'll remember for some time :-)
      And then have the party ruined by the communist party goons who raid the joint because someone logged-on Slashdot...
    3. Re:Green Tea by antime · · Score: 3, Informative

      In some places (eg. Russia and Arabic countries) tea is traditionally served in glasses.

    4. Re:Green Tea by kamukwam · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here in Holland you also get tea served in a glass usually

  2. one word by Neuropol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    antioxidant

  3. Sssssshhhh! by TiMac · · Score: 5, Funny
    Don't let this get too publicized or all those office morons (the ones of tech support legend: CD Tray==Cupholder, etc) might start pouring their morning tea on the computer after a crash.

    This could only prompt me to ask them: One Lump or Two? [WHACK WHACK]

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    1. Re:Sssssshhhh! by mst76 · · Score: 4, Funny

      > This could only prompt me to ask them: One Lump or Two?

      Side note: Chinese and Japanese don't drink tea with sugar.

    2. Re:Sssssshhhh! by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have it backwards. Publicize the shit out of this, so people start pouring their morning tea in their computer - and thus my job security is guaranteed.

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    3. Re:Sssssshhhh! by TiMac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      my job security is guaranteed

      Lemme guess: You use and recommend Windows products to those users for the same job security reason?

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    4. Re:Sssssshhhh! by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I, personally use and recommend Linux products for the same job security reason.

      Don't underestimate what your boss can do when you deploy few custom openldap schemes here and there, few not so obvious backups that wipe data entirely if the you didn't give the special sequence on the other hand of pipe.

      Ah.. not enough... few perl scripts I do can do even better.

      Yes, I'm BOFH, muahaha :)

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  4. Not in my opinion. by Slayk · · Score: 5, Funny

    And you just thought that green tea was good to drink.

    No, not really.

    1. Re:Not in my opinion. by nizo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually I always thought it was pretty good when added to the big pile of sugar already in my cup.

  5. Green Tea Cleaner... by zaba · · Score: 5, Funny

    And here I thought green tea was only to clean your...uh... "internal soft drives"...

    1. Re:Green Tea Cleaner... by DrLZRDMN · · Score: 5, Funny

      off topic but A friend of mine claims that xbox is a computer and gamecube isn't. He mentioned the hard drive so I told him that a hard drive is not nessecary for somehting to be considered a computer so he says "A computer must have a hard drive and a soft drive" I spat green tea all over laughing.

  6. Bio-active materials LESS polluting? by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Considering that bio-active materials like green tea (yum!) decay and eventually become unusable and must be disposed of properly, doesn't it make more sense to stick with chemicals which, though bad for the environment, do not decay or degrade and can be used in a specific task indefinitely?

    Add to this the fact that landfills are full of "biodegradable" waste which because of the lack of oxygen in the area are unable to break down. It makes far more sense to go with a material which can be reused and/or recycled. Bio-degradable sometimes ain't.

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    1. Re:Bio-active materials LESS polluting? by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Considering that bio-active materials like green tea (yum!) decay and eventually become unusable and must be disposed of properly, doesn't it make more sense to stick with chemicals which, though bad for the environment, do not decay or degrade and can be used in a specific task indefinitely?"
      I don't think they'll actually be using green tea :)
      Just any extracts from it that can do the job well (although, I hope they look into whether it'll degrade or not over time).

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    2. Re:Bio-active materials LESS polluting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      RTFA, please, before replying.

      The conventional slurry has to be disposed also, according to strict environmental guidelines.

      Furthermore, the green tea compound is just used to wash off the ceramic particles produced during polishing.

      And I'm pretty sure that green tea biodegrades in any suitable environment, oxygen or no.

    3. Re:Bio-active materials LESS polluting? by THotze · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is that the chemicals involved in any chemical reaction aren't infinately reusable. As one of the posters above noted, green tea works because it's an anti-oxidant, meaning it removes oxygen (oxides) from the hard drives. The industrial chemicals would also undergo reaction, and after so many uses, become unusable (assuming that 'so many uses' doens't mean once). While it's true that some industrial chemicals can undergo a reverse reaction relaviely easily, and therefore be 'regenerated' and reused, many cannot, and many that can are so cheap that they're disposed of anyways.

      While it's true that bio-degradABLE doesn't mean that they're bio-degradED, it does open the door. Also, its probably more environmentally friendly to PRODUCE green tea than it is for other industrial chemicals, which may produce waste products that end up in the water supply, require high temperatures and therefore require lots of energy, etc.

      So yeah, you're right that there is NEVER a magic-bullet. But if green tea is easier to produce, easier to refine, and can be broken down with a little simple composting, etc., then its a step in the right direction.

      Tim

    4. Re:Bio-active materials LESS polluting? by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's water. Put it outside in a bucket and it simply "goes away."

      Except for a for small amount of . . .chemicals, which you may then do with as you please.

      I suggest mixing them with water and pouring it on your houseplants. They'll love you for it.

      KFG

    5. Re:Bio-active materials LESS polluting? by kencurry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      green tea works because it's an anti-oxidant, meaning it removes oxygen (oxides) from the hard drives.

      not to be pedantic, but this is not oxidation. As the original article states, the tannins bind to the tiny ceramic particles that that are unwanted on the surface. Thereby solubilizing them, allowing them to be rinsed free.

      What the article doesn't state but could have environmental impact is the ability to avoid organic solvents vs. being able to process with water. Since tannins are (mostly) water soluble, this would be another plus for this process.

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    6. Re:Bio-active materials LESS polluting? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What the article doesn't state but could have environmental impact is the ability to avoid organic solvents vs. being able to process with water. Since tannins are (mostly) water soluble, this would be another plus for this process.
      Keep in mind that tannins, being acid, are a considerable enviromental problem themselves when concentrated or present in large quantites. Just being 'natural' does not, of itself, mean that a product does not potenially constitute an enviromental hazard/problem.
  7. green tea? by gusmao · · Score: 5, Funny

    If green tea is all that good, just imagine when they try beer!

  8. Wikipedia on green tea by jsinnema · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Wikipedia on green tea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wikipedia on karma whoring

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_whoring

    2. Re:Wikipedia on green tea by JeanPaulBob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please, next time don't post as an AC. I want to add you to my friends list.

      OK. This is really me again, not some karma-whoring credit-stealing bastard.

      Really.

  9. So? by Limecron · · Score: 5, Funny

    What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?!

    Oh... umm... Nevermind.

  10. Wrong date! by rcotran · · Score: 2, Funny

    Aren't these stories supposed to be for *April* 1st? :)

  11. Bad reporting by Cryogenes · · Score: 2, Informative

    There appears to be an innovation that may make HD production more efficient. So far so good. How is this made more relevant by the fact that it involves a chemical compount also found in green tea?

  12. They should try hemp by lildogie · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, hemp, it's good for "heads."

  13. this is what happens when by dncsky1530 · · Score: 2, Funny

    computer repair people drink tea.

  14. Well! by SeaDour · · Score: 2, Funny

    Next thing you know, they'll be telling us green tea is good for your HEALTH, too.

  15. Imagine what it does to your insides! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    mouth-clean
    throat- clean
    digestive tract - clean
    nasal cavity - clean if not swallowed properly.
    teeth - green.

  16. old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    they have bee cleaning hard drives in china with green tea for a thousand years...

    1. Re:old news by JamieF · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank goodness. I was really getting tired of finding that people had written "WASH ME" in the pollen that's all over my bees.

      I'm curious to see how a hard drive can clean a bee, though.

  17. My BS meter just tripped by 99Percent · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think this is a joke, some kind of May Fools day.

  18. hello, China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thats right... All the tea!

    (family guy, for the ones without humor)

  19. Prices... by LaBlueCow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, perhaps if production is cheaper (I bet tea is cheaper than chemical compunds), then maybe HDD prices will drop a bit? Or maybe margins will increase for PC part sales. Bah.

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  20. antistrontidant? by Gropo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I visited the U.S.S.R. in 1988 our assigned 'tour propagandist' in Samarkand, Uzbekistan informed us that the green tea was drunk in part to prevent strontium-90 poisoning. gg Communist science bureau!

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    1. Re:antistrontidant? by TildaBang · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is true. If overbrewed, the tea tannins will attatch to the strontium-90, and pass through your system, instead of it being depositied into your bones because of the likeness to calcium.

  21. Re:Why not Earl Grey??? by dhanes · · Score: 5, Informative
    Japanese Green Tea, from the Camillia Sinensis plant , has been steamed, hand-rolled and dried to prevent oxidation .

    This process is gentler to the components that make green tea such a wonderful beverage. Earl Grey, Ceylon, Bo Lei, and whatever other brown or black tea have been pan-fried or dry-heated to stop the natural oxidation process.

    Steaming preserves the EGCG , which is being studied for it's anti-bacterial and cancer fighting properties, and also L-Theanine , which gives real green tea it's flavour and purportedly induces Alpha waves and tranquility in the brain.

    Ounce per ounce, Steamed green tea contains more polyphenols than red wine or grape seed extract.

    I have an anxiety problem, and had to swear off coffee a few years ago. No caffeine in any form for me, until I stumbled upon japanese green tea. All tea contains caffeine , but it is about 1/2 the amount in the same serving of coffee. The added benefit of the L-Theanine practically cancels out the effect of caffeine on the body and in the brain.

    I start the day with a cup of thin matcha (do two of these and can you say "420"?) , then a cup of Gyokuro and in the evening some nice genmai cha.

    Unfortuneatly, green tea is only harvested 4 times per year in Japan. Green tea is very perishiable, and is best when fresh. The bags you can purchase in asian groceries here in the U.S. of A. have been sitting on shelves too long and taste like crap. (Bonus note: all the decaffeinated 'green' teas you can purchase in regular supermarkets will not taste like the real thing, pretty bitter and bland. There is no decaffeinating process that doesn't kill all the good things about green tea. Fresh green tea is naturally sweet and not bitter when prepared correctly.)

    Interested? I purchase all my teas from here.

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  22. Doesn't green tea have antiviral properties? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That could really help with hard drives.

  23. regular or decaf? by whovian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does regular or decaffeinated matter?

    On a humorous note, will caffeinated green tea make the hard drive faster?

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  24. Sleep mode? by 2.246.1010.78 · · Score: 2, Funny

    But wouldn't the teeine prevent the hd from going into sleep mode?

  25. This is old news by Spatula+Sam · · Score: 2, Funny

    but I've found that I can actually get better results by soaking my hard drive overnight in coca-cola.

  26. Good to drink? by Lispy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "And you just thought that green tea was good to drink."

    Actually I always thought it tastes like dishwater. Good to see it might at least be of some use. ;-)

  27. Jumping to conclusions regarding pollution by XavierItzmann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some here are jumping to the conclusion that this will pollute less.

    Until somebody spends another $1 million of our taxes (read: NSF grant) in doing the net impact calculation, consider this:

    1. More land dedicated to grow green tea = less uncultivated land, less *nature*, as they say

    2. Fertilizer & pesticide for green tea, and all of the petrochemicals that went into it

    3. Fuels and other energies used to sow, harvest, clean, store & transport green tea

    4. Chemical processes to refine bioactive compounds out of the tea itself

    And I have not even mentioned the fuels used to create the wealth that is going to get taxed in order to pay for the agricultural subsidies that (of course!) are eventually going to be given to growers of green tea.

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  28. Sounds bogus... by mtrupe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sounds like one of those stupid John C. Dvorak articles that are supposed to be funny bet aren't.

  29. Re:Doh! by slickwillie · · Score: 2, Funny

    I should have RTFA first.

  30. Oh, great. by MajorG17 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now they'll come out with a whole line of holistic tech support.

    "Coming Soon -- a new Ginko Biloba extract to double your RAM!"

  31. Magnetic cores by retro128 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Reminds me this story that my dad told me, who's worked on big systems back in the 50's and 60's working as an aerospace employee, back when they were still using magnetic cores. They had been having major problems with the core overheating. Somehow, and don't ask me how, they figured out that Wildroot Cream Oil was the perfect coolant, and the core worked like a charm from then on.

    Guess they figured it out in much the same way they figured out green tea cleans heads really well!

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  32. Anticalcidant by dwbassett42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And the tannic acid also has the wonderful ability of leaching the calcium from your bones, and impairing the body's iron absorption. After living in Japan for 3+ years, where they drink green tea like we drink soda pop, I saw thousands of grandmas that had osteoporosis so bad that their upper spine could't go above parallel with the ground.

    So for green tea, we know that it:

    1) Contains chemicals that are effective in cleaning hard drives,
    2) Contains tannic acid, which can cause calcium and iron deficiencies, AND is used in softening animal hides,
    3) Contains caffiene, which has many health side-effects, even more numerous than tannic acid.

    I don't see why anyone would want to drink this stuff!

  33. Stephenson says... by cei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In his interview at Salon a couple weeks ago, Neal Stephenson wrote, "Every culture can be kind of defined by what they drink in order to avoid dying of diarrhea. In China it's tea. In Africa it's milk or animal blood. In Europe it was wine and beer."

    I didn't realize the same would apply to hard drive cleaning...

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  34. Priceless... by atomic-penguin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Forty Green Tea bags from local Dollar Store, $1.

    Five or six large capacity hard drives, $1,000.

    Recieving a $100,000 grant from the National Science Foundation to fund the project, priceless...

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  35. Beer doesn't work by Julien+Brub · · Score: 2, Funny
    I accidentaly poured a complete beer in a laptop... yeah, those things appends. It was ruined... The beer poured in was cold, but it was hot when it came out... I guess it touched some hot part of the laptop...

    I also droped my Palm in a coffee... but it still works. Thanks Ford my coffee was not too hot...

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  36. Re:Doh! by Cornelius+Chesterfie · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I should have RTFA first."

    I won't have that kind of talk in here, young mister!

  37. The cleaning power of tea by DrDNA · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Chinese restaurants, waiters pour a bit of the leftover tea onto the table to clean it. They say it works much better than plain water. Ho gon-jeng! (very clean)