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BBC to Try TV On Demand

Shevek writes "The UK Independent newspaper is reporting on a new BBC trial: 'Later this month, the BBC will launch a pilot project that could lead to all television programmes being made available on the internet. Viewers will be able to scan an online guide and download any show. Programmes would be viewed on a computer screen or could be burned to a DVD and watched on a television set. Alternatively, programmes could be downloaded to a Personal Digital Assistant (PDA) ... By launching iMP, the BBC hopes to avoid being left at the mercy of a software giant such as Microsoft, which could try to control the gateway to online television.' Yet more proof that the BBC license fee is an unmitigated Good Thing(TM)."

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  1. I wanna work for the BBC by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 5, Funny
    The down side of this is that the test launch is limited to BBC employees only. Not only that, the employees all get a PDA capable of viewing the shows.

    Who do I have to blow to work for a company that hands out PDAs with 512 meg CF to all its employees, just so they can watch TV at work!?

  2. Yeah, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The BBC License Fee is great if it means that us Americans can get all that great programming without having to pay for it! :-)

    1. Re:Yeah, by Attaturk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This will probably turn into a bit of an off-topic rant so feel free to mod me down if you like but this is a good a chance as any to get this off my chest.

      Firstly the qualification: I'm a Brit - and I'm far from an anti-American one, although that sort of thing is definitely on the increase over here.

      As flippant as it was, the parent poster actually has a point. On top of my taxes I pay a license fee so that the BBC can provide its (undeniably) excellent services to the world. Its largely English language services of course benefit the U.S. as much, if not more than they do the U.K. Perhaps all the more so given the ubiquity and uniformity of corporate media power on that side of the pond.

      And so to the rant: At the moment my country does pretty much exactly what the Whitehouse (and Whitehouse-friendly corporations) want or tell it to do. But I can't vote for the president. So, since us Brits can't vote for our 'president' and, in more ways than this simple example, pay taxes and provide services for the whole English-speaking world, with very little in the form of reciprocation, is it any wonder that people over here are beginning to question the so-called 'special relationship'?

      Someone on /. recently had a dig at my pro-Kerry sig when they realised that I wasn't an American Citizen. I think the jist of it was: "If you want to influence our election, come to the U.S. and become a Citizen." That was probably my main motivation for this rant. Britons haven't served a foreign ruler in such a capacity since the Roman Empire. The least us non-Citizen class provincial Romans can do these days is appeal to those that live in Rome and ask that they carry our thoughts back to the Senate/Emperor.

      Right, that's the rant over - thanks for your indulgence.

      Now back on-topic:
      That's great! But even if every one of the UK'S 60 million or so individuals (including kids etc.) paid a license fee, that still wouldn't pay for hosting the BBC's entire video output at broadband quality for the entire global English-speaking world. Hopefully non-U.K. based clients will have to pay some form of fee, perhaps even a subscription, to help pay for these services.

  3. TV on demand is the future... by Grant29 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    TV on demand is the future, once you get a taste of it, it's hard to go back.. Luckily for the content providers, TIVO and ReplayTV have already demonstrated the market. Sure TIVO isn't really TV on demand, but it helped define the market.

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    1. Re:TV on demand is the future... by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      what helped define the market for me was BitTorrent. There was nothing like being able to download TV shows from the night before while at work, and watch them during the time of day when all that is on are reruns of older shows.

      I was able to watch them without interruption, in great quality (as I refuse to subscribe to CATV or buy a double-fucking digital receiver), at my choice of when to watch it.

      I really think that it would be an excellent idea for it to be brought here and used by the major networks. I suppose they would never accept it because of the possible loss in ad revenues... Sad really.

    2. Re:TV on demand is the future... by TexVex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used to use TiVo, and now I use a homebrew system built around SageTV. The thing continuously records TV from my cable box. Whenever possible it grabs shows off my "favorites" list. Over time it builds up a library, because not only does it go after first runs of my preferred shows, but it gets reruns as well.

      Because you can fast-forward through commercials, over time I've gotten in the habit of never bothering to watch TV "live". Instead, I just let it record and whenever I feel in the mood I go catch up on some of my TV watching. While this is not TV "on demand" is is definitely the next best thing. I always have a huge selection of things in the library to watch. It's more like "on demand with limited selection based on configurable preferences".

      All that being said, I can place a dollar value on on-demand television, based on what I pay per month for my cable service and how many shows I watch per month. I would happily pay $1 per hour of standard network/cable network TV if I could have it on demand and commerical-free, $2 per episode of premium-channel series shows (like Dead Like Me or Deadwood or Carnivale), $3 for a movie, and $4 for a new release movie.

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    3. Re:TV on demand is the future... by cmacb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My fear for this idea is that the media moguls in Hollywood will view it as another inroad to piracy rather than as a moneymaking opportunity.

      For example, we have this entire ad based economy that works off of estimates of how many people see an ad. Estimates, because they know how many people watch a show (the Neilson ratings are accurate enough for that) but they don't know how many people actually watch (and pay attention to) the ads. The same goes for magazines and newspapers, where subscription numbers feed the advertisers fantasy of how many eyeballs they are reaching. Compare that with the Internet, where you can know exactly how many people clicked though to a web paged based on a banner ad. In the latter case you know that someone was interested in your product (or not). You can even know how many people went on to buy the product as a result of the ad. That certainty I think actually hurts Internet advertising, since it gives the seller of the ad very little wiggle room about how much to charge for the ad.

      The reality is that most advertising is relatively ineffective. Content on demand dispels the myth, and there are quite a few people who don't want that myth dispelled.

      The flip side is this: If we had media on demand everywhere right now, and advertising built into the content, you would select a program, and while watching it see ads, just as you do now. But would you record the program on Tivo in order to watch the program later without the ads? I don't think most people would. The ability to watch something exactly when and where you wanted to would be too compelling to going back to the TV-guide sort of planning process that people do now.

      The trick is, finally, to educate people who pay for ads about how valuable those click throughs are compared to a nebulous subscriber count. I don't know if the BBC experiment will do this, but I hope adoption of content on demand elswhere will convice the relatively thick skulled people in Hollywood that they may be missing out on a good thing. That will release a lot of lawyers to do more productive work perhaps.

  4. Been there, done that by GraWil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I lived in the UK for 4 years and just returned to Canada. I only wish the CBC was as good as the BBC. I do find their style of news to be way to similar to the big, sensational US news outlets but, otherwise, the content is great! Heck, I'd probably even pay my license fee from Canada!

  5. License fee by mr100percent · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just to remind everyone, the BBC license fee is a tax on every television set in the UK.

    (I don't live in the UK, but I would pay it if I could get this kind of innovation)

    1. Re:License fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uh, no totally wrong. You pay the license fee for recieving the BBC services (actually, a small slice goes to local TV stations of commercial nature). You pay 110GBP a year for it, and that licenses your whole house for that year. You can have as many sets as you want. However, you can purchase a TV without any tax apart from VAT (sales tax to you americans). The TV licensing people will work out if you are trying to flunk the paying the license fee as most places now require you to fill in your address for the house you will be using it for if you purchase a TV..

    2. Re:License fee by Tango42 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, no. It's a tax on every household with a TV set in the UK. You can have as many TVs as you like, you still only pay once. I'm not sure of the system for businesses though. (NB: I live the UK)

  6. Trouble is by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'll go and use RealMedia or WMV and still be at the mercy of some other company.

    I doubt they'll use XVID or other open standards. Would be fairly neutral if they released MPEG-2 files, however these would be gigantic.

    1. Re:Trouble is by Motor · · Score: 5, Informative

      So maybe there's more to Dirac than just a cool open source project.

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  7. Not likely to be Worldwide... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The BBC will likely do something to limit the International use of this service, as having the shows freely availalbe over the Web might negatively impact their ability to sell their programs in other places, and some of the shows aired by the BBC belong to other companies and they want the exclusive rights to the show in their home territory.

    The article refers to this being a challenge, but one they plan on getting over...

  8. Freedom of Choice by tobechar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is great to see a company that is willing to provide choice to its customers.

    Perhaps this will force American media companies to offer a few better options to their customers.

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  9. putting media/news in the hands of proper citizens by dj42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a considerable boon to the future of de-centralized media to see a company like the BBC giving this a shot. If Internet users can acclimate towards using an Internet-based tv show broadcasting service, that could put media in the hands of those that deserve it, rather than those that have money and/or are already established as major players in the media industry. i.e. web sites like Slashdot could begin to leverage their user-base into targetted commercial ads, allowing the formation of "television" style shows online. Plus, the last thing we need is a software company like MS in control of the media because it's software is the platform to connect to all the sundries of devices.

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  10. Interesting... by lindec · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an interesting move, especially considering the events transpiring regarding digital televion, TV ripping and the like. I find it refreshing and interesting that while the recording industries (namely the MPAA) push broadcast flag legislation through, in an attempt to end behavior like this, the BBC makes it computer viewable. Also, sites that are providing ED2K links and torrents to TV Rips are beginning to feel the wrath of the DMCA, so I wonder how much this will change things? Probably not much... but hey, I try to be optimistic.

  11. All TV programs are already available on the net by aardwolf204 · · Score: 3, Informative

    But all TV programs are already available on the net,

    #tv-torrents

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  12. what happens about the licience fee? by flyingdisc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In the UK, if you own a TV you are required by law the pay the 100 pound licence fee each year. Only if you are able to demonstrate that you don't own a TV are the fees waived.

    This will raise some intersting questions: Apart from resulting in nonTV owners (and hence non licience payers) accessing the BBC it would this not lead to much wider dissemination of the BBC TV outside the UK. Wouldn't this damage the existing syndication relationships that the BBC has set up. I am amased that any broadcaster risk distribution over the internet. Certainty thinking outside the box.

  13. Now if we get the rest of them to go along. by Charcharodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's about time. The only way I watch TV any more is through downloads or season DVD's who has the time to play the network games when they bounce your favorite shows around every other week chasing ratings numbers.

  14. I'm ready for this any time... by MysticalMatt517 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We recently dropped our cable subscription down to the $10 /mth 19 channel deal, and we're thinking about dropping that. The problem is that we only ever watched one or two channels and we didn't get enough viewing time to make it worth our $99 /mth cable bill.

    I would love to be able to just watch the shows that I want, when I want them, and pay strictly for what I watch. I don't want to pay for a bunch of crap I don't want. Why should I be forced to buy HGTV when I'm an overweight fat slob who spends 99% of his day behind a keyboard? All I wanted was Tech Tv (although it's gone downhill bigtime).

  15. Read Slashdot Often? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You might be interested in /.'s BBC coverage from last week then, in which the BBC has created an open source, wavelet-based codec which ramps from low to high throughput with better than MPEG2 video quality.

  16. I would happily pay the license fee by Bimo_Dude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even though I am American, I would happily pay the 121 pound annual license fee. IMHO, the BBC programming is much more intellectually stimulating, and costs far less, than cable/satellite TV in this country. Most of the shows I do actually watch are BBC productions that are airing on PBS.

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  17. Broadcast flag by carvalhao · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There you have it!

    You don't need no restrictive technology to make money out of media content, just find an easy-to-use distribution vector and a fair price. Who will want to sweep through a couple of hundreds of low-res DiVx files on Kazaa to download a show when you can get it premium quality for a price this low?

    I wonder what is the ROI (Return on Investment) of the boradcast flag when compared to this...
  18. Re:A Question for UKians by aldoman · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, you do not pay on how many TV tuners. You pay per household.

    No, you don't have to pay for radio anymore. Radio makes up less than 1% of the BBCs total spending, so I guess they figured the cost of billing people for radios was over the amount they'd actually get.

    Also, portable TVs are exempt from the license.

  19. Pax Britannia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    TV and teeth on demand! How the hell did they lose the empire?

    1. Re:Pax Britannia by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 4, Funny

      "TV and teeth on demand! How the hell did they lose the empire?"

      A half-century of practicing free trade while the US and Germany errected heavy tariffs on imports. Fighting two costly world wars that the United States waited until the very end to jump into. The rise of the US as a superpower. Colonial unrest. The constant flirtations with socializing industry post WWII. Sterling's collapse as the premiere world currency. James Bond's expensive STD treatments. All the Imperial Officers having British accents in the holy Star Wars trilogy. Star Trek's (TNG) IP theft of the Cybermen. Simon LeBon's yacht wreck. And Yoko Ono!

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    2. Re:Pax Britannia by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "As alluded to above, what you're describing isn't socialism but fascism."

      No. German fascism built better quality cars than the Jaguars and the MGs of the 1970s. Lumping the British experiment under the various Labour governments pre-Thatcher gives the German experiment (Mercedes-Benz, VW, BMW) a bad name if that can ever be possible (excluding all the other tidbits - war crimes and all).

      "Translation: realisation that the dumb white folk from across the sea aren't here to help us at all but to exploit us. For a contempory example, see Iraq."

      Not at all. If the end of colonialism proved one thing, it was the British Empire's administrative skills were better than the native populaces that it ruled for the most part. See the nuclear problem that is the India/Pakistani dilemma. India's population boomed under British rule because of the advent of Western medicine and technology. Then look at the economic slide the country took after independence and the application of Stalinist economic principles up until the tech boom and the appreciation of capitalism in the 1990s. How about in Africa? Are the people of Zimbabwe better off under Robert Mugabe than they were under British administration? What about Hong Kong under the People's Republic of China? After all, if the PRC were so good to Hong Kong, the Taiwanese populace would be demanding reunification now.

      The areas the Empire "effed up" were with Palestine and the place formerly known as the British North American Colonies that is now known as the United States. Losing the colonies to the radicals known as the "Sons of Liberty" (SOL) has to be Britain's greatest cluster f*** since the SOL didn't have a leg to stand on when weighing the evidence. Palestine was a no-win situation following the discoveries of the Nazi attrocities in WWII. I'll also add the failure to adopt "Home Rule" in Ireland as the third biggest mistake and the area Benjamin Disraeli was incorrect on.

      "In other words, the UK practiced lassez faire capitalism (which an astonishing number of people on /. advocate) while the US and Germany offered state support to private indistry, also known as fascism."

      No. That's not what I am saying. Germany was not fascist prior to WWI. Sure, businesses tied to military procurement did do well following German unification under Bismarck, but it was not fascist. Great Britain was a free-trader at the time, but Germany preferred enacting heavy tariffs on foreign goods so that German industry would be protected. That's the textbook definition of protectionism in application. The same goes for the US during that same era. Couple both those countries with the outpouring of British capital looking for the next area to profit, and that is what created the two largest trading competitors to what had previously been known as the "factory of the world," Great Britain. That is also how the railroads of Germany and the United States were funded. It is ironic that British capital funded two of the major reasons why the British Empire no longer exists. Of course, that is what the "Little Englanders" wanted all along.

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  20. bit torrent by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Interesting

    why not provide shows on bit torrent?

    is it because it's harder to advertise?

    would people be offended by short adverts played at the beginning of the video files? (eg This Bit Torrent file is brought to you by...)

    networks could distribute the seeds across their affiliates to reduce bandwidth cost, etc.

  21. BBC starts paid online news subscription by $exyNerdie · · Score: 3, Informative


    A couple of days ago, I clicked to view a video on BBC news website and it told me that I have to buy a subscription as international user. I was a bit surprised since so far, BBC had been free and even free from ads.

    This page says that: "Broadband video news from the BBC is only available to international users by subscription. Find out how to get the latest broadband video news from the BBC here.

  22. Will the content be Free or Owned? by no_choice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't explicitly say, but the tone of the article suggests that the BBC's mentality is not much different from the **AA bunch.

    "If we don't enter this market, then exactly what happened to the music industry could happen to us... everybody starts posting the content up there and ripping us off."

    What would be wrong with the public freely sharing the content? They are subsidizing the creation of it with their tax payments.

    Why don't allegedly "public" broadcasters, like the BBC in Brittan or PBS or NPR in the US, produce and release content under Creative Commons type, or other Free licences? That way the public could use, share, and redistribute the content freely. People could even re-edit the content and create new and interesting works. Wouldn't that be a good thing? Isn't the idea behind public broadcasting to serve the public, instead of seek profits?

    Instead, the "public" broadcasters have developed the same control-freak mentality of the rest of the media that effectively opposes the very idea of a public domain and favors every byte having a DRM restricted ownership sticker. If that is the case, what is the point of the public subsidizing these broadcasters... and why should they even exist?

  23. Re:Me first by SkunkPussy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Yet more proof that the BBC license fee is an unmitigated Good Thing(TM).

    WHY OH WHY are the only fuckers who realise this not resident in the UK? the public tide in this country (UK) is more anti than pro, and Labour/TB have been doing their level best to destroy the BBC's credibility*.
    I on the other hand am very pro-BBC. The only slight problem I have with it is that the fee is the same for everybody (i.e. a poll tax).

    * Whether or not Andrew Gilligan exaggerated his story, the government (and Alistair Campbell non-gov) made an enormous issue out of it in order to discredit the BBC, as the charter is coming up for renewal soon. The bastards.

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  24. ms drm by maharg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    from
    http://p2p.weblogsinc.com/entry/6729473382759138 / :



    The most significant revelations were concerning the protection of the content. All content will be DRM'd, only available for a limited period time, once downloaded. As expected, it will also only be available to UK broadband users. In a break with the BBC's long-standing support of Real, Microsoft DRM will be used for the technical trial, but it appears that no final decision has been made.

    As was known previously, the EPG (Electronic Programming Guide) will cover fourteen days; seven looking forward and seven backward. The programs that have been broadcasted will be downloadable to the computer simply by clicking on them. A preview of a piece can be watched before committing to download a complete show.

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  25. Why the grass seems greener on the other side by mst76 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There seem to be quite a few Americans here who think BBC produces better quality programs than US tv. But remember, when you view something from abroad, it is usually selected because it is the cream of the crop, it does not nessesarily reflect the overall quality of BBC television. I'm sure few of you would care to see hours of snooker or cricket. Likewise, foreign countries usually buy the best American shows. Foreigners who only see the Sopranos, West Wing, etc. may conclude that US tv is of pretty high quality.

  26. Who? by thpdg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, now I can start another lost episode of Dr. Who, when ever I want.

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  27. Where's the Capitalist Innovation? by scrotch · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Isn't the BBC some kind of socialist, government supported thing?

    I thought only free-market, capitalist companies in competion innovated? That's what I was taught in my American public school. There's just no reason to improve if you've got a steady, government supported income. You have to be in blood thirsty battle for market dominance to justify doing anything other than resting on your laurels and IP rights. Right?

    Where's the innovation in product from the American networks?
    Where's customer focus from American media?
    Where's the desire to satisfy customer desire in America?

    (It's sarcasm. I love my country.)

    1. Re:Where's the Capitalist Innovation? by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Years ago, the BBC ran a series of adverts on BBC2 (and perhaps BBC1, I forget), the basic message of which was that the licence fee allows them to experiment.

      Because they're guaranteed at least some money no matter what they do, they can spend some of it trying out new stuff. Now, this was long before the net became a household word, and they were specifically referring to new programs, but the same applies.

      Because they're not entirely beholden to fickle viewers and advertisers, they can afford to experiment sometimes, and without experimentation, there can be no innovation.

      For the record, though, they are beholden to the Government, who occasionally make threatening noises about the licence fee (as do the Opposition). They also have to abide by a charter, although I've not read it, so I can't comment as to what it says.

  28. Channel 4 shurely by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 3, Funny
    They have usually had as edgy/edgier programs than the BBC: Bremner Bird & Fortune, Queer as Folk, Shameless, Metrosexuality. Also Scrapheap challenge is a good home for Kryton.

    Of course lots of the good programs could never get shown on broadcast TV in the USA - they freak out over a single female nipple after all.

  29. Re:The BBC is example corporate power by Attaturk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed. Well spotted to all those chimps that pointed out that BBC stands for "British Broadcasting Corporation". 10/10 for general knowledge and 5/10 for understanding.

    The BBC is operated under two constitutional documents: its Royal Charter and the Licence and Agreement. The Charter defines the BBC's objects, powers, obligations and the sources and uses of its income, while the Licence and Agreement sets the terms and conditions under which it must operate.

    "Subject to the general law of the land and the provisions of the Charter and the Licence and Agreement, the BBC has full editorial and managerial independence in its day-to-day programme and other activities"

    For more information visit this terribly informative site, which will doubtless also explain all about impartiality and public service broadcasting for you. :)

  30. Writers Guild Problems by lxt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I should point out the UK Writers Guild (not the American Writers Guild) is extremely pissed off about this move, because writers won't be getting repeat fees (which can be a large source of income). However, the British Guild has far less power than the American one, meaning not much action can take place over the programmes on demand...