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RIAA Forgets to Make Royalty Payments

theodp writes "NY Attorney General Eliot Spitzer agreed with the RIAA on one point - artists WERE being deprived of money that was rightfully theirs. But Spitzer managed to find $50 million for performers without shaking down grandmothers. Spitzer's culprits? A Who's Who of the nation's top recording companies - members of the RIAA - who failed to maintain contact with artists and stopped making required royalty payments."

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  1. Motives by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Instead of coming right out and bashing the RIAA, (yes, that needs doing as well), I have a different question...

    From the Article ( bold emphasis added):

    "The companies have also agreed to comply with New York State's Abandoned Property Law, which requires that if an artist or his or her family cannot be found, unclaimed royalties be "escheated" or turned over to the state. The state then holds these monies until a claim is made."

    While this will be great for a lot of artists I question the motive. I doubt that Eliot Spitzer is doing this for artists. I'm sure New York state will benefit from the interest revenue from "hold[ing] these monies. It won't hurt his career to have his name in the paper either.

    Of course, I didn't bother to look up his record. Maybe he really is just doing his job, protecting the citizens of New York State.

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    1. Re:Motives by spaeschke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Spitzer's been a great watchdog for US citizens. All of those crackdowns on securities violators? Primarily coming out of Spitzer's office. Of course, it also doesn't hurt his political career, but hey, the guy's been doing a bang up job as NY DA.

    2. Re:Motives by davidu · · Score: 5, Interesting


      Spitzer has been doing an AWESOME job.

      I don't think it's any secret that he has political aspirations -- even if you ask him -- but that doesn't change the fact that he has been going after the wall street crooks WAY harder than the feds have. He has been nailing people left and right and sticking them for all he can.

      We need more people like Spitzer around to go after the bullshit without being crazy like Ashcroft.

      -davidu

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    3. Re:Motives by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Good point. See, I knew my question would get some good ol' RIAA bashing in.

      So, how does New York prove which money is theirs to hold? New York holding money would do little good for someone who's living in Alaska or Hawii.

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    4. Re:Motives by Belisarivs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember reading an article pondering the next New York governors race. It was decided that Spitzer would be the best Democratic candidate, as his poll numbers were around 60% . . . among Republicans.

      I'm a conservative Republican, and I voted for him last time around.

    5. Re:Motives by Colonel+Angus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Personally, I couldn't give two squirts what his motives are. It's not every day that you actually see someone actively trying to catch crooks. I am sure I am not the only one who is sick of seeing the excessively rich get richer by bending over those who are likely struggling to get by as it is. At current rate we'll soon have two classes... middle class will be relegated to "back in my day" stories.

      So if he's doing this for political gain... great. Go nuts. If he's doing it to get chicks, let'er rip! If he's doing it because the voices in his head said it's the right thing to do then who am I to argue. Let him clean this shit up since no one else who is SUPPOSED to be doing it is.

    6. Re:Motives by Lord_Raptor · · Score: 5, Interesting


      If Kerry wins the Presidential election, I'm thinking that Spitzer has a good chance at being AG for the US.
      Now that would give me a little more confidence in where the country is headed.

    7. Re:Motives by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I highly doubt that these people are hard to find;
      "David Bowie, Dolly Parton, Harry Belafonte, Liza Minnelli, Dave Matthews, Sean Combs and Gloria Estefan"

      Withholding money from Dave Matthews may have been more than an oversight. After-all, he's spoken out more than once about royalty free music for the masses.

      Otherwise I agree that the RIAA is marginally different from the individual publishers it represents.

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  2. Hmm... by odano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am as anti-RIAA as the next guy, but this doesn't seem all that bad.

    The RIAA is going out of there way to correct a royalty problem that may/may not have entirely been their fault. And the article makes it seem that it was the idea of an RIAA lawyer.

    Just my 2 cents...

    1. Re:Hmm... by Daemonik · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The RIAA collects fines from people who violate the copyrights of it's membership. All monies collected in this endeavor are kept by the RIAA.

      Their stance that they are fighting to see artists get paid is based on the theory that if they stop copyright violation, everyone will buy legitimate copies of the work and the record company will pay the artists. The RIAA is not actually writing checks out to Metallica, except perhaps for their promotional work.

  3. Any hope of draconian fines? by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Say, fine the RIAA members $100K per non-paying incident, like they were threatening to charge the kiddie downloaders?

    Friggin' corporate pirates should be MADE to pay their proper dues!

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    1. Re:Any hope of draconian fines? by Progman3K · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >Say, fine the RIAA members $100K per non-paying incident, like they were threatening to charge the kiddie downloaders?

      Well, if they're guilty of stealing from artists, like they claim P2P users are, then they should pay the same fines, shouldn't they?

      Oh boy, it would be interesting to watch the RIAA lobby for that!

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  4. Where does the money go? by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If these royalties for artists that they can't find, what happens to the money? Does it go into a general fund or does it go back to RIAA to line their pockets?

    Another question would be WHY the RIAA lost touch with these artists. Was it on purpose or accident?

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  5. Cat and Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Forgive my oversimplification of the RIAA (and Anti-RIAA) tactics, but it seems to me like this is such a cat and mouse game. Someone points out problems with the RIAA, the RIAA points out problems with filesharing. One-Up to P2P, One-Up to RIAA. I'm waiting to see if politics, technology and common sense can elicit some sort of resolution to this perpetual nonsense. I won't hold my breath.

  6. $50 million in cheated royalties? by Mudcathi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The RIAA has sued what, 3000 people so far? With an average "catch" of $2500 each? If these numbers are correct, that's $7.5 million. Versus $50 million that RIAA cheated their own artists out of!

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  7. Then not only should the RIAA make sure they are by Phil+John · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...paid...they should be paid with interest plus fined/sued for compensation. This is a perfect opportunity to point out that there shouldn't be one rule for consumers and one rule for the conglomerates.

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  8. Re:compared to cd sales decline by Matrix272 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to CNN, sales dropped about 7.5% from 2002 levels of 32.2 billion to 2003 sales of 32.0 billion. RIAA blames "rampant piracy" for this.

    I'd love to see a comparison of all the years between 1999 and 2003 for sales decreases, number of releases, average age of the buyer, and the cost of a CD. Then, I'd like to see that cross-referenced with the recession in the economy, including such factors as unemployment rates, average income per household, etc. After you have all that, cross-reference all that with what the RIAA claims it's lost from file sharing. I can almost guarantee you it's nothing even near what they're claiming, and any decrease in sales has been just as drastic as any other major industry in the country.

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  9. Re:Lost track of these artists? by ExistentialFeline · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This assumes that the artists know they are owed money. If the artists were contacted on a semi-regular basis about payments and the companies occasionally "forgot" about some money it may not be obvious for the artists to ask for the money. IE a check for $2500 could be only half of what they owe but the artist don't know any better since the artist hasn't asked exactly what their debt is; they just know they're owed something.

    Of course as things usually are on /. this is wild speculation.

  10. Why NY? Devil's advocate. by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The article isn't clear, but how does NY know that they should be holding this money... What if I live in Nebraska?

    So, I wake up from a five year coma. I go looking for my royalty checks, and am told that they are being held by the state.

    So, I go down to the Comptroller's office in Lincoln and ask where my money is. They tell me it must be some other state. Well, my brother is in Florida... I'll call there. Nope. Oh, yeah, my mom in Arizona, maybe it's that state. Nope.

    Why would my money be in New York? Why not California where a "marginal" majority of these contracts are signed? It's great that the proceeds from this money will go to benefit the people of New York, but what if I don't live there?

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  11. Uhh, what are you smoking? by gosand · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't understand why the government has not seen the RIAA as an orginization that doesn't adhear to the rules that it's set for everyone else.

    Who says they haven't? You are making the assumption that the government believes that the rules apply equally to everyone. If that were the case, then Oprah Winfrey would have been fined or taken off the air for indecency. Microsoft would have been punished under anti-trust laws and for illegally maintaining a monopoly. There are many many many other examples, these are just some of the more high profile ones.

    The rules do not apply equally to everyone.

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  12. Change in My Tactics by endofoctober · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love music, and used to spend a lot on buying new CDs before this RIAA shakedown started. Stories like this, however, have made me change my ways, and now I buy exactly $0's worth from any label that supports the RIAA.

    It's appalling to think that this is all done defending artists from file sharers when their watchdog is either this clueless or dishonest...with the RIAA, it's hard to tell which.

    Artists might fare better if they could see an alternative to this corporate mire. Perhaps if they understood that consumers would be more supportive of the music if there was some reasonable guarantee that money would actually get to the artist rather than a conglomerate?

    Granted I have no guarantee of that with my current label selections, but I feel better knowing that my cash isn't feeding the anti-piracy machine.

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  13. You can't blame the RIAA -- it's easy to forget. by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For example, I've forgotten that I need to be bothered with buying overpriced CDs for the past 8 years. Instead, I've been spending my cash on video games, DVDs, live entertainment and socializing with my friends.

    And sometimes I also forget that I don't need to buy a CD in order to determine whether I like the music. P2P has been gracious enough to keep reminding me of this whenever I feel the urge to go to the nearest Virgin Megastore..........

  14. Re:compared to cd sales decline by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Don't forget that many of us have been boycotting them for several years now. That has to hurt as well.


    Not at all. Your missing dollars are added to the "loss of sales due to piracy" column.