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Build Your Own Wireless Beer Pitcher Monitoring System

Willy K. writes "Technology comes to the rescue when disaster strikes and your pitcher runneth dry. These Cornell students have rigged up beer pitchers that wirelessly advertise to the central serving station when they are empty, prompting alert wait staff to bring another round." Add a few steins and you're all set.

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  1. Now all you need... by timmi · · Score: 5, Funny

    is an automated system to refill it!

    1. Re:Now all you need... by thedillybar · · Score: 2, Funny
      Oh no...drunk people spilling beer is bad enough. Malfunctioning machines spewing it everywhere?

      ALCOHOL ABUSE!!

  2. Hahahaha by (1337)+God · · Score: 4, Funny

    In combination with this earlier pizza story from tonight, this should make for an interesting evening!

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  3. In taverns, I find.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...that a cut-down shotgun get's the attention of the bar staff..

  4. Wow something useful by WordODD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is probably the most useful "college student" invention post I have seen on the front page of Slashdot in a long time. As a former bar manager this would be something I would purchase with very few refinements. If this ever goes past the "gee thats neat stage" and becomes a real product it could be a must have for numberous establishments.

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    1. Re:Wow something useful by MikeDawg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Next step past this invention would be a cocktail waitress that would actually pay attention to your/your "buddy" bars orders and drinking needs.

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    2. Re:Wow something useful by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Funny
      My main worry would be how they plan to survive hundreds of runs through the glass washer.

      That wouldn't be a problem at the bar where I hung out in college.

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  5. How is this so different? by MikeDawg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this so dramatically different from the author's previous stated stein post? Does the original story differ that much from stein to pitcher? You'd think the original empty stein could be very easily modified to fit on to a pitcher, and voila! a wireless pitcher that would notify bar personnel that your pitcher is empty.

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    1. Re:How is this so different? by DrSchlock · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a different way of solving the same problem, and a reasonably clever one at that. Each idea has its points; the original capacitance method is cheaper, as the authors observe, but it also doesn't work well with viscous fluids that cling to the side of a container and conduct electricity around its circumference.

  6. I've got a system... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 4, Funny

    it's called living in Vegas. The only place where "last call" even exists are in "family" establishments.

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  7. Hmmm by stevenbdjr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny, I always thought that was the job of a good bar maid...

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      BEER WENCHES dude.

  8. I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about just using a simple mercury switch that is tripped when the pitcher is tipped to a certain point?

    1. Re:I have an idea... by OtakuHawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In some states mercury tilt switches are illegal because of thier applications in bomb making. No joke.

  9. Dupe? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 3, Funny
    So since this is a dupe, do they bring you two pitches of beer?

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  10. complicateed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The server station consists of an LCD and an array of control buttons that reset the meter, change the table number, and reset the pitcher count. So now I need an engineering degree just to serve beer?

  11. Overkill? by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's interesting and all, but isn't it overkill? I mean they are using an accelerometer! Couldn't a simple CDS photocell detect when the thing is empty based on the ammount of light filtering through what's left of the beer? Seems like it would be simple to calibrate. Just take one, fill it up with the maximim ammount of beer before a refill is called for (since you may have a tiny bit left when it's still "empty"). Set it on a table and press a button, it's callibrated. Even a simple mercury switch could probably be set up to do this reliably without needing an accelerometer. And if you were willing to permantly modify the container, you could do more like a small float, tiny bits of metal on the side so you could use conductivity to figure it out, a pressure sensor (beer weighs more than air), etc.

    I'm not denying that their idea works, it just seems there is probably an easier (or at least cheaper) way.

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    1. Re:Overkill? by randyest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree; it's underkill.

      They had a 2D accelerometer that could measure in X and Y directions, but used a pitcher to force a given plane of tilt (determined by the handle/spout axis) and just looked at the X reading, ignoring Y.

      They should use both measurements and put it on regular drinking glasses as well -- the same device would work on a pitcher, glass, or most drinking containers no matter what orientation (within the X-Y, or horizontal plane) it was mounted. Their system needs the "X" axis of the accelerometer to be parallel with the line connecting the handle and spout. And it requires a specific tilt plane.

      It would be easy to duplicate code and check both angles, and this would be particularly good for me as I prefer Sapphire and tonic to beer, and a pitcher of gin & tonic would be very dangerous. A promptly-filled (or at least opportunity to fill) glass of said refreshment would be highly appreciated. This is a very good idea indeed, and I think with minor refinement this could be sold all over the world at huge profits. Bars make money. Keeping drinks filled makes them more.

      It also probably means (a few) more drunks and a slight hike in alcoholism, but, eh, whatever :)

      BTW, I've seen the "similar" systems in Japan referenced in the article as inspiration. But the ones I saw required you to actually move a finger and push a button when you wanted a drink. Effective, but usually unnecessary since service in Japanese eating and drinking establishments is remarkably and consistintly good, IME.

      I disagree with the other poster who suggested that somehow weighing the beer pitcher is simpler than this accelerometer method. Accelerometers are cheap, small, reliable, and easy to work with compared to weight-measurement devices.

      Finally, someone else said to use an electronic switch closed by beer (beer being the conductor) that senses lack of beer when the switch opens. Cheaper yes, but I'm not sure how passing (even a small) current through beer would make it taste, but I bet one (or both) of the terminals of the switch would be a corroded nightmare after a few weeks. Cleaning that would be a bitch, and it would look gross.

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    2. Re:Overkill? by b!arg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or how about putting a button at the table that says "Beer Me" when your done and forget the pitcher altogether. You know, like the flight attendant button. :)

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  12. Excuse me, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How is this different from shouting WERE OUTTA BEER! at the top of your lungs?

    1. Re:Excuse me, but... by zalas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nice idea! ...so we should find some way to pack 4 seconds of digital audio into these little Atmel chips, connect up some DACs, feed it into a nice bridged amplifier and speaker, and voila!

  13. Beer Pitcher? by Intocabile · · Score: 3, Funny

    I like my beers handed to me not thrown.

  14. Unlicensed amateur radio operation! by VT_hawkeye · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a former ham (still got the license, but haven't done anything with it in years), it's kinda depressing to see that they don't even know what amateur radio is -- which led them to illegally use the 70-cm UHF band, thinking "amateur" meant "do whatever you want".

    They needed a frequency in an unlicensed or research/experimental band.

    1. Re:Unlicensed amateur radio operation! by jcwren · · Score: 4, Informative

      They didn't illegally use 70cm. There is a specific allocation for 433MHz for low power equipment. Radiometrix, and a bunch of others all make perfectly legal transmitters for this allocation.

      I believe the 433MHz is secondary or teritiary use. The Europeans equivalent is 419MHz

      K4JCW

  15. I'm sorry sir you're bladdered... by h0tblack · · Score: 3, Funny

    We used the a priori knowledge that when a pitcher is empty the pitcher's bottom is perpendicular to the ground..... There is a direct correlation between the maximum angle the pitcher has reached and the volume still in the pitcher.
    Could this be modifed to:
    We used the a priori knowledge that when a punter is full the punter's bottom is parallel with the ground..... There is a direct correlation between the maximum angle the punter has reached and the volume still in the pitcher.
    Could be a good way to easily tell when you've had to much ;)

  16. Tips by KalvinB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I recognize the fact that I'm in college and don't tend to spend a lot of money on food so I over tip (sometimes the amount of the meal) when the (usually) waitress does a good job. At places like Chili's or Ruby Tuesday's a plate usually doesn't go much over $7. 15% is barely a $1.00. She does pretty much the same amount of work regardless of how expensive my plate is so I usually don't tip less than $5. I've also worked food service so I know what the job is like.

    This is nice for personal parties when there's a lot going on but it's not encouraging to patrons who busted their ass all day and now get to watch the waitresses or whoever sit in the back getting paid to watch the beer indicator.

    When I worked as a host for birthday parties at a kid's pizza place, the pitchers where the excuse to keep myself visible to the parents and active in the party in order to get a larger tip. You fill the pitchers before they become empty and while you're doing that you talk to the parents and see what else you can do for them.

    In the food business that's the way it works. The more involved with the customers you are, the better the tip. So although a nice novelty, it could have a negative impact on the tip for those who use it to try to make their job "easier."

    Ben

  17. Your rights online? by momerath2003 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is michael posting. Shouldn't this article be under YRO? I mean, think of the privacy applications of having a device monitor your beer consumption. Frankly, this is pretty frightening, and, though I may be putting on my tin foil hat here a bit, I think it's safe to say that this is another drastic setback for modern privacy rights.

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  18. I see an FCC problem here.. by the_rajah · · Score: 5, Informative

    From their web page: "The FCC sets aside frequencies between 420 MHz and 450 MHz for Amateur use, thus we are complying with the standard by transmitting our signal at 433MHz." IAHRO (I'm a ham radio operator - for 46 years.) It is fine to transmit on 433 MHz IF they have an FCC license and the transmitter identifies it's call sign at the proper interval. Otherwise, it's not legal.

    Amateur radio does not mean unlicensed. Getting a license is very easy. Check with your local ham radio club for details or visit http://www.arrl.org/

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    1. Re:I see an FCC problem here.. by djplurvert · · Score: 4, Informative

      First of all, I too am a ham and hold a "new" extra ticket in case anyone cares.

      Many hams seem to not understand Part 15 which allows unlicensed operation in almost ANY part of the spectrum. In particular, there are only a very few specific frequency ranges where "intentional radiation" governed by part 15 is not allowed. This simply means that you are building a device which is intended to be a transmitter as opposed to being one accidentally. Computers, for example, transmit accidentally and are therefore goverened by part 15.

      There are also specific ranges, such as those used by wireless phones and 802.11b, where there are bands set aside with specific restrictions on power, antenna size, etc.

      Even if there is no such range in the 430mhz band one can still use that band as long as you restrict the field strength of your transmitter to 200 microvolts/meter measured at a distance of three meters from the antenna. From a practical perspective this is a transmitter that if placed inside a small building probably would not radiate significantly beyond the walls of the building.

      Part 15 transmission should not intefere with licensed transmissions and hams are very protective of their hard won spectrum space. Thus hams seem to frequenly speak out against unlicensed usage even when it might not be warrented as they have experienced significant inteference and spectrum space loss over the years. While it doesn't necessarily sound like this is inappropriate use of 430mhz, whenever you are operating close to ham bands it would behove you to be sure you are operating within the bounds of the law. Not becuase "it's the law", but because hams are very protective and self-policing and you are more likely to get a complaint than if you are in one of the specific part-15 ranges.

      On the other hand, the comments on here that suggest it's no big deal to cause interference seem to reflect the general ignorance of slashdot in regards to radio/electronics. Before you start talking about "leaky transmitters" sic, and rules you have never read, perhaps you should go read a book or two on the subject.

      /plurvert

  19. This is useless... by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...as real pubs don't have wait staff, they have bar staff who you ask for a new jug/pitcher from when and if you need one. If y

    The most annoying though is guys in the toilet in some bars that are there for the sack of tips. I mean really I know how to wash my hands, and dry them to. The're only reason as far as I can see is to basically squirt soup on my hands and after washin my hands to dry with paper towels, and then for me to give a tip for a task I could have completed in half the time if I had done it by myself. In fact I consider very tacky for a bar to do this, it insults the intellgence and cleanliness of its clients.

    1. Re:This is useless... by Jardine · · Score: 3, Funny

      a task I could have completed in half the time if I had done it by myself.

      I think I've figured out the problem. You're not getting drunk enough. That guy in the bathroom is there to let you know which one of the two sinks you see is the real one.

  20. Hmm... by physicsphairy · · Score: 5, Funny
    Build Your Own Wireless Beer Pitcher Monitoring System

    Well, I guess that's definitely a step forward from the (now) antequated "Plug-in Beer Pitcher Monitoring System." Sure, you can get around the bar if you bring an extension cord, but don't spill your beer on any open leads. Drunk geeks make excellent ground connections.

  21. One word: by momerath2003 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wife.

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  22. Had to know this was coming by AvantLegion · · Score: 5, Funny
    Much like the invention of the sword required the invention of the sheath, or the invention of the engine required the invention of the brakes...

    ... the invention of the CLI pizza interface requires the invention of the wireless beer pitcher monitor!

  23. Messure weight by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's all you have to do. Just messure the decrease in weight. Why do they have to make it anymore complicated in it needs to be? *sigh*

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  24. Why is drinking automatically bad? by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the project site:

    1. Accept responsibility in making engineering decisions consistent with the safety, health and welfare of the public, and to disclose promptly factors that might endanger the public or the environment. We realize that our project could appear to be unsafe because it encourages drinking and the continuation of purchasing beverages.

    Why must everything involving alcohol (at least in the US) automatically assume at one point or another that drinking = bad? All this does is let you (or rather, the wait staff) know your pitcher is empty for a refill. I fail to see how it "encourages" excessive drinking (which is implied). When I go to a restaraunt and the waiter/waitress asks if I'd like a beer, is he/she "encouraging" me to drink excessively? Is he/she "encouraging" me to drink excessively when asking if I want another beer when my current beer is almost empty?

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    1. Re:Why is drinking automatically bad? by thedillybar · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This is a class, and they're required to talk about the ethics involved. Of course they're going to make up some bullshit to convince the graders that they thought about it and spent a lot of time on it.

      Seriously though, engineering firms have to consider things like this. It's common practice, and it's the reason that most people think as highly of engineers as they do. If your firm is selling this to a marketing firm, you should inform them of any ethics issues like this. In this project they're not really even analyzing it...they're just saying "this could be an issue."

  25. Something on the mind by jimmy+page · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seems like Michael has something on his mind. First the Command Line Pizza and now the Auto Replenish Beer.

    Guesses for next subject - Barf Bags, Taxi Rides Home, Diet Trends?

  26. Solid! by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now this is a solid Slashdot story. None of this duplication bullshit, none of this silly Microsoft vs. Linux garbage. True technology by geeks for geeks. News for nerds that matters.

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  27. That chic is hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think we all wish our lab partners were as hot as this chic!!!
    Now we know the true intentions for the beer pitcher project!

    *shameless pickup line* Hot chic...if you read this, email me!!!! I like beer too!

    1. Re:That chic is hot! by momerath2003 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No one can email you if you post as AC and don't leave any sort of identification or email...

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  28. Another improvement by Guernica+Bill · · Score: 3, Funny

    These "college students" forgot one thing. They need to tweak that trigger angle. Never wait til the pitcher's completely empty to order the next one. Sheesh. Kids these days . . .

  29. An alternate solution... by DrSchlock · · Score: 4, Informative

    The same problem can also be solved by measuring capacitance of the glass across the remaining fluid. (I don't really understand this, but I'm believe it's fairly simple.)

    The article references this, in fact.

    http://www.merl.com/projects/iGlassware
  30. More jobs going down the tube by vxvxvxvx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great, so now instead of paying a person to make the rounds and ensure everyone has a supply of beer we can replace them with a machine. Whatever can't be outsourced..

  31. Accounting for vagueness by toothfish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be really useful, the notifiaction ought to take into account the temp of the beer (if it's room temp, it's probably not being actively drunk-- abandoned/empty/etc), weird angles on the bar table, and (most importantly) time (if it's 1:45, there are going to be a whole lot of beeping pitchers, but only a few will need refilling-- and those few will have to be refilled asap).

    The time thing is probably the most important-- maybe prioritize based on previous purchases or your local ABC laws, etc.

  32. The next step by Ty_Webb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But does it advertise to the central server the precise brand or type of brew you were drinking?

    Oh the possibilities...

  33. I need a beer. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 3, Funny
    This is an incredibly good idea. I think every bar needs to use these. Quick response and low latency is of critical importance when you're trying to get drunk.

    Now all we need is method and apparatus, er, that is, a solenoid-operated tap controlled through a command line utility that works in most UNIX shells, so we can refill our pitchers or glasses from our keyboard. It might look something like this:

    refill -v=pint -b=guinness

    (It would be similar to the Pizza Party utility advertised in another of /.'s stories posted tonight, except it would refill beer instead of ordering pizzas. The -b option would use a flat text file to map beer names to tap numbers for maximum convenience.)

    Then, we could create a beer glass or pitcher monitoring daemon, beerd, which would invoke refill every time the pitcher empties, sending as the -b argument the name of the beer with which beerd was originally invoked.

    I can see it already: U.S. Patent #287542384328092840234, Method and Apparatus for Refilling a Beer Pitcher or Glass Through a UNIX Command Line Utility, and U.S. Patent #234823084932842843492, Method and Apparatus for Providing a GUI Frontend to the Beer Refilling Command Line Utility. (The GNOME version would be called Geer, the KDE version would be called Keer, RMS would insist that names of beer should be changed to GNU/Guinness, etc.) And, needless to say, U.S. Patent #234823084932842843493, Method and Apparatus for Automatically Invoking the Beer Refilling Command Line Utility, After Optionally Displaying a Dialog Box that Reads, "Are You Sure You Want Another Pitcher, You've Already Had Ten Beers Tonight?" With The Yes And No Buttons Moving Around So The Drunk Can't Click On Them.

    Then, we'll sue Darl for infringing on our patents when he's drinking his depression away after SCO crashes and burns. (What a waste of perfectly good beer.)

    And as if this isn't enough, we'll invent Pay Per Drink, a system whereby you get a keg of Guinness and a tap installed in your home for free, and when you activate the tap, a charge will be made to your credit card through the Internet. Brings new meaning to DRM. But to make IRC conversations with your friends across the globe more interesting, you could download ebeerd, the Extended Beer Daemon, which would allow your friends to "buy you a beer" through the Internet, which would be dispensed through the tap at your house. Then, you can buy all your friends a round, from the comfort of everybody's home, with a single click. (GUI frontends for GNOME and KDE should be forthcoming for this one, as should a Jabber plug-in.)

    Hmmmmmmmm... All this talk about beer, I need to get me a drink. Lucky I have some Guinness around. :-)

    Guinness. Because friends don't let friends drink Lite Beer.

    (Astute readers might notice that a long time ago, I didn't like Guinness and made a lot of posts where I said so. In fact, for a while, my sig even said something to the effect of, "George Killian's Irish Red. Because friends don't let friends drink Guinness." So what's changed? I discovered the difference between Guinness Stout and Guinness Draught. I stopped drinking Stout, started drinking Draught, and that fixed the problem. Now I drink at least a pint every night. Oh, and by the way, Irish Red is really, really good!!!)

  34. No FCC problem by Dr.+Mu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Though I'm no regulatory expert in the matter, I've seen numerous unlicensed devices operating at 433 MHz. As long as they adhere to Part 15 of the FCC rules, they're likely okay.

    1. Re:No FCC problem by n6mod · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is in fact a section of part 15 (don't remember it now, sorry) that permits very, very low power transmission on VHF and UHF frequencies. Garage Door openers and the like. 433MHz has become popular for weather stations and similar devices.

      73 de N6MOD

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  35. Plagiarisim by stendec · · Score: 4, Informative

    Funny how your post is so familiar.

  36. finally good use of technology by Mantorp · · Score: 2, Funny

    the last few years have given us: blue teethed camera phones, wi-fi, gps, i-tunes, etc. All useless compared to this fine implementation of hi-tech that will benefit all of mankind for generations to come.

  37. Slashdot effect with beer pitcher? by prog99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What if everyone finishes their pitcher at the same time, could we see the slashdot effect at the bar?

  38. Wireless-shmireless by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Why is not there a simple button on each table in each restaurant of more than 5 tables: "Excuse me, waiter, I need something".

    The cheapest thing to add, it would remove the irritation of having to catch the waiter's eye, and allow the waiter to know, everyone is fine without constantly looking at all tables.

    Airplanes had this for years, but I'm only aware of one restaurant, where such a system is in use.

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