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Sony PC/DVR Incorporates 7 Tuners & 1TB HD

GFD writes "TechJapan has an article on the 'Type X' Viao PC/DVR that will have 1TB and 7 tuners - allowing the recording of 7 shows at the same time. It also has a very cool look."

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  1. "...very cool look" by Beatbyte · · Score: 4, Funny

    It looks like a black box with "VAIO" on it.

    Damnit man lets give them an award!

    1. Re:"...very cool look" by ZaMoose · · Score: 4, Funny

      The picture also gives no sense of scale. For all I know, it could be the size of an S/390 (errrm, zSeries, rather) and sit in the middle of my living room like one of those 2001 monoliths.

      I'm just sayin'...

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    2. Re:"...very cool look" by jsinnema · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some pictures for scaling purposes:

      here

    3. Re:"...very cool look" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, it looks more like a light grey box with "Process limit exceeded for uid 11363." on it.

    4. Re:"...very cool look" by PeekabooCaribou · · Score: 5, Funny

      Keep in mind that the woman in the picture is six inches tall.

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  2. Sure, it has seven tuners... by Snowspinner · · Score: 5, Informative

    But they're all analog... you can optionally buy a single digital tuner. But, really... why? How is someone ever going to find seven shows they want to watch at once in general, little yet if they're limited to the analog band?

    And, obviously, no HD capabilities either.

    1. Re:Sure, it has seven tuners... by Suidae · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd have to agree. Before I buy a PVR its going to have to be able to handle at least two digital streams at once, preferably by directly storing the compressed video data without reencoding, ala DirecTivo.

      Frankly, I'd prefer if the cable company would just store all this stuff at THEIR end, dump all the broadcast channels, and use the bandwidth to feed the cable modem system so I can watch anything I want, whenever I want, without having to make copies at my end. I'll even pay extra so I don't have to watch commercials, and I'll be happy to tell the networks which shows I watch, when I watch them, and if I thought they sucked or not.

      They can even set up 'suggested lineups' for different viewing preferences so it works kind of like regular TV where shows come on at regular times, but they can talior the steams for more groups. This would let them take advantage of multicast capabilities and let them hit viewers with highly directed programming (ie, I want the sci-fi and technology stream, no chick flicks, and no horror-pretending-to-be-sci-fi, but my wife might want the cooking, home-improvement, and drama stream).

      It would be nice to still have the stream cached locally so I can pause whatever I'm watching, but I don't really want to have to keep a terrabyte system sitting around so I can watch older stuff, that should be provided by the cable company.

      Come on networks, use your imagination, this stuff shouldn't be too hard! I've already got purchase on demand, streaming, pause-able, rewindable digital movies, start doing it with regular TV too!

    2. Re:Sure, it has seven tuners... by Le+Marteau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Before I buy a PVR its going to have to be able to handle at least two digital streams at once...

      Whatever. I figured, at about $300 for my Tivo, if it lasted two years, that's .50 cents a day for the privilige of never needing to sit through another commercial again. It was, and is WELL, WELL worth the price, and I just can't concieve having to deal with those inane, insulting, idiotic commercials again.

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    3. Re:Sure, it has seven tuners... by mjh · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Frankly, I'd prefer if the cable company would just store all this stuff at THEIR end, dump all the broadcast channels, and use the bandwidth to feed the cable modem system so I can watch anything I want, whenever I want, without having to make copies at my end.
      Not me. I prefer to have the DVR at my house. Mainly because it allows me complete control. DVRs are a distributed problem; everyone has their own set of preferences that don't necessarily align with anyone elses. Consequently, distributed preference implies distributed control. So it makes sense to me that the solution also be distributed:
      • I can manage my own data space without having to rely on the cable company's shared data space.
      • I can decide that I want to keep a program for 7 months instead of relying on the cable co. to automatically delete everything after 7 days.
      • I can decide which shows I want to record instead of relying on the cable co. to decide for me.
      • I don't have to deal with latency associated with sending the command to do something accross the internet, and then be responded to by a machine that's trying to handle a gazillion of these types of requests simultaneously.

      IMHO, DVR is a distributed problem. In the long run a distributed solution works better for everyone.

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  3. umm.... by King-Raz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this overkill? What consumer would honsestly need this! When have there ever been seven TV programs worth watching on at the same time?

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    1. Re:umm.... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given the bad habit of broadcasters to have unusual starting and ending times nowadays for their programming, you'll be surprised how many people want PVR's with multiple tuners.

    2. Re:umm.... by jonjohnson · · Score: 5, Informative

      I want to record Law and Order, Simpsons, South Park, and the Daily Show. However, if I try to setup a schedule to do this, I'll have conflicts left and right, because I can only record 2 streams right now. While 7 may be overboard, I can see a need for 4 streams today.

    3. Re:umm.... by kabocox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When have there ever been seven TV programs worth watching on at the same time?

      I'm going to call this one. There have been times that 3 or more shows have been on in the same time block that I'd have liked to watch. I agree that TV generally has gone down hill. The thing Cable has special interest shows.

      If I was a sports person, I might want to record 3-4 games and a sitcom. If I was a homesitter, I'd likely record 4-5 stations worth of daytime soaps.
      When I was a teenager, there was a time block of 3:00-4:00 that all the really good after school cartoons came on. Here is another thought though. Maybe this isn't might all for me. Maybe it is so that I can record my 2 shows, while my wife can get her 2 shows, and my 2 kids can each have some options. I may be interested in entirely different things than my kids, but it would be nice if we had one center media server that did all. In my parents house we started off with 1 VCR. Over the years each individual either bought or recieved a VCR for a gift. PVRs are alot more powerful and personal than VCRs. IF I had the $3-4K that this will likely cost, I'd buy it. I don't have that kinda of money. If it was $500-$1500, I could maybe get it by the wife though.

  4. Here's the text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just in case you want to record 7 channels at the same time for a week, Sony has just the product. Well it's a PC too so I guess it's not a complete ripoff. Ripoff? Sony hasn't even presented the price yet. I'll take a guess though, and say...$9000? Just a guess.

    Sony held a meeting in Tokyo on the 10th to present their new "VAIO" products. Among them was the "type X," a HD recorder on a PC base.

    The device features 7 above ground analog TV tuners, as well as more than 1TB of HD space, and a maximum of 7 channels can be recorded at the same time. one can store about one week's worth of programming from seven different channels, and Sony has said that it is "to keep in touch with past and present programs like a time machine, one can choose their favorite program and watch it."

    Sony plans on releasing the machine before the end of 2004, and since it is currently under planning/development, concrete specifications have not yet been finalized.

    The device has been placed in the "next generation recorder with a PC base" category, and unifies AV and PC functions. It can also be used as a normal PC with a wireless keyboard/mouse and remote controller. Also, using the D4 output, it can output to flat panel TVs such as the "Wega" series.

    Furthermore, Sony also plans on selling an optional terrestrial/BS/110 CS digital tuner. There is currently no PC supporting digital transmissions besides NEC's "VALUESTAR TX/TZ." The VALUESTAR also has limitations such as only being able to output up to 480p, so much attention is being paid to what the type X will support, since the current specifications are not final.

    At the announcement event, there was also a demonstration from Sony's IT & Mobile Solutions Network Company NC President, Keiji Kimura, involving the type X and a portable video player currently in development. He introduced the company's next generation AV concept by wirelessly outputting video to a Wega from the video player, whose video data was transferred from the type X.

    From May 14th until the 16, there will be reference models of the "type X" on display at Sony's Mediage in Odaiba, in the "Do VAIO World 2004" event.

  5. wtf by millahtime · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait, hold up. We at /. are complaining about overkill on a cool new tech toy.

    And when has it been said you need all that you buy it for. We buy SUVs and only like 1% of people can use them for what they are for. Overkill has bragging rights.

    1. Re:wtf by Malc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought they were meant for wasting money, guzzling fuel, polluting, creating false feelings of security and safety, increasing the feeling of separation from the dirty real world and giving people an excuse to drive badly. Thus 99% of people use them properly!

  6. If it's from Sony... by CaVi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it will look sexy, but will be crippled by some DRM, I'm afraid.

    The article is slashdotted already, but what DRM will it have? Sony has too much to protect (Sony Music) to allow people to enjoy their hardware fully.

    I've had a Sony MD, you could transfer from your PC to the MD with the USB cable, but what you recorded on the MD (even if recorded with an analog device, you couldn't transfer it back to your PC...)

    I hope they haven't done the same kind of mistake: making a great hardware, with functionalities crippled by some DRM.

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  7. Well... by SavedLinuXgeeK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a non-home setting, this device could work really well as a video surveilance setup. I mean B&W vid @ low res, you could channel 7-sources into it, and keep a great deal of informatio stored. Now I am sure thats not the purpose of this, but that is the only thing I can think of, for seven tuners at one time. Unless you really want to watch every station's take on a presidential message, im sure the slight camera angles make all the difference in the world ;)

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  8. Useless. by Jarnis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Analog = RIP. And dedicated separate digital tuners/descramblers = teh suck for timeshifting etc.

    What I need is a 1TB box with 2-3 *digital* (DVB-C or DVB-T for us euros) tuners, and with a Conax descrambler smartcard support. So I could record at least one channel while watching another (or maybe 2 channels while watching third). In full digital glory. HDTV support would be a bonus, but that is not happening in europe at such a fast rate - I think broadcasters first want to move to digital, and then its easier to reuse the spare frequencies for HDTV signals once analog is dead and buried.

    But no. Sony is designing an obsolete analog tuner box with a ridiculous pricetag... :(

  9. 7 buffers at once by BugMaster+ChuckyD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the great things about tiVo is how it buffers the show you're watching so you can pause rewind and skip commercials. When you change channels the buffer is gone and you can't rewind the new channel etc.

    With this device you could (presumably) set it up to buffer your favorite channels as well as the one you're watching. You could watch one show and then jump over to CNN (or whatever) and rewind to watch the start of the news broadcast, then jump over to ESPN and watch the baseball game etc.

  10. More Info and Pictures by doctor_no · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those of you interested about the user interface:
    Here& Here

    More picture of "Type X":
    Link
    Link 2

    Thing also seems to have a DVD-burner: Pictured Here

    More links (in Japanese)
    Watch Impress Japan

  11. What good is 7 tuners by Monoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What good is 7 tuners if I have digital cable or sattelite?

    They need to come up with a standardized way to interface tuner cards in TVs or generic set top boxes.

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  12. Time Shifting! by WushuJim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an owner of a ReplayTV, I can think of one great use for 7 tuners. Time shifting! Buffer the last seven watched channels or however many tuners available. That way if you switch to a channel and see something you want to go back and watch, it is buffered.

  13. Re: I'll even pay extra by mjh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, (et al) all care about which shows people watch and whether or not people like them. And in exchange for people paying extra, there are no commercials.

    The type of programming that the OP was talking about exists today in the premium channel systems.

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  14. Doing the math by azadrozny · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My "small" 40GB Tivo can record about 35hrs of programming. Thats about 1.15GB/hr. Base on that figure a 1TB (1024GB) DVR would be able to record for about 890hrs. That's a shade more than 37 days of continuous programming. That's what I call a couch potato.

    Now that may sound like a lot, but what if in addition to the 7 input tuners, it had multiple outputs. If you could tie it into some kind of distribution system for your house, throw in Tivo's ability to predict what your family likes, you have a very cool system. Every member of your family could be watching a different program at one time. $9k is a bit pricey, but the price is bound to come down.

  15. 7 tuners is great, but more are needed! 50 tuners by JGski · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The folks pooh-pooh-ing 7 tuners don't get the use model. Imagine a combo of channel surfing, instant record PVR and pictures-in-picture. I really miss picture-in-picture with my DirecTV Tivo, and even then having only 2 tuners on my TV in the pre-Tivo days was *way too few*. I'd want to be able to mark a set of "surfable channels" as PiP with PVR available to be running on them while I'm surfing on the others.

    The other serious flaw with most set-tops and tv channel UIs (Tivo almost gets it right) is not having dynamic filtering and style sheets for the schedule and channels attached to the up/down channel buttons. E.g. there are some channels I absolutely never want: fine I lock them out now. But then there is the gray area which is content dependent: I'm not a big basketball fan so I should be able to make channels disappear completely during the time that basketball is on - if I up-channel through it, it just skips and if I chose it's even gone from the schedule. When other "desired" programming is on those channels re-appear again.

    Now combine that kind of "editing/filtering" to 50 tuners with PVR and PiP: now you have television usability!!

    A serious, serious bone-head UI gaffe on the DirecTV Tivo: you ascend channels up-screen with the channel up/down buttons but the program guide the channels ascend down-screen! Who was the moron...?! Oh yeah, Huge Air Crash idiots own DirecTV.