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Slashback: XPiracy, Panel, Gentoo

Slashback is back, with a boatload of updates, clarifications, and corrections to make previous Slashdot stories make more sense. This week, there are bits on BitKeeper, Microsoft's update policy when it comes to illegally copied versions of Windows, a change in schedule for an upcoming games panel, and more. Read on for the details.

The real requirements for Longhorn, at least at this juncture. Cryoknight writes "It seems that Longhorn will run on almost anything that's a P4 or better, judging by this article from C|Net News. You only need a 64mb graphics card to run the slickest version..."

(That's in contrast with earlier reports that the average Longhorn system would be hefty indeed; of course, listed minimums and recommendations are often worlds apart.)

How many bits could Mandrake chuck if Mandrake could chuck bits? Shipud writes "Speaking of AMD beating Intel, Mandrake have just released their v.10 for AMD64. Claiming to be on the average 20% faster, and compatible with 32-bit applications." As usual, it's never a good time to buy a computer.

The War Of The Word, Part II Random Guru 42 writes "Chris Pratley, whose earlier blog entry was the source of much discussion [referring to this Slashdot post of April 27], has just recently replied to everyone's feedback both here and as comments on that earlier entry."

Gentoo Community Reaches Out to Daniel Robbins nporter writes "Slashdot reported the news that Daniel Robbins has stepped down as chief architect of Gentoo Linux. It was revealed that due to his commitment to Gentoo he racked up a hefty personal debt of $20,000. The Gentoo Community is showing its appreciation to its founder in droves by placing donations to the Gentoo Store, proceeds of which will go toward paying down Robbins' debt. I count over a thousand dollars (and growing rapidly) has already been donated, just based upon posts to the forums. It's great to see Linux users coming together like this to show support for someone who has contributed so much to the Linux community."

Bitkeeper redux, redux. gosand writes "Part two of the two-part interview with Bitkeeper author Larry McVoy is up at Newsforge. (Part 1 was posted here yesterday). They essentially talk about why and how BK fits into the kernel development model. There are only two questions, one answered by Larry, and one answered by Linus. Maybe that is because BK makes them 2.5x as efficient, and they can answer everything in just one answer each. :-)"

MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies PingXao writes "Unlike earlier reports, this eWeek story says MS will not be allowing pirated versions of Windows XP to install SP2. They plan to release the update within a couple of months as everybody knows, but what's interesting is this quote from a MS spokesperson that supposedly explains their reasons for this approach: "... using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates." Not that I blame them for not providing assistance to people who violate their copyrights, but I wonder if they actually paid someone to come up with that insightful explanation. Something like "We don't provide updates to pirates" would have done the trick. Why cloud the issue with talk about secure this and security that when the basis for the policy has absolutely nothing to do with security?"

Games panel at Smithsonian - update tripmaster writes "For those slashdotters that tried to get a ticket but were foiled by the smaller venue, the panel on games with Shigeru Miyamoto, Richard Garfield and Doug Church being held Sunday, May 16th at the Smithsonian in Washington DC has been moved to a bigger space. Miyamoto should be showing the same highlights of his latest game as premiered at E3. Questions from the audience will be collected and posed to the speakers -- a rare chance to ask query some of games' most visionary and influential creators."

Off again, on again. Doug Muth writes "According to this piece on Yahoo, the restraining order which was issued against SpamCop on May 10th has been dissolved by the judge who further remarked that, 'the TRO [entered May 10] was not a determination of the merits of the case.'"

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  1. Very cool! by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Slashback needs to be more often if possible!

    Happy Trails!

    Erick

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    1. Re:Very cool! by jgaynor · · Score: 5, Funny

      And while you're at it - bring back quickies. They were like Fark, but for smart people.

    2. Re:Very cool! by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...but for smart people.

      Obviously, the ones in charge realized that they were targeting the wrong audience.
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    3. Re:Very cool! by mattwarden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (Score:5, Insightful)

      Note to self: free karma to those who compliment features of the slashdot site.

  2. Always a good time to buy a computer by securitas · · Score: 5, Insightful


    As usual, it's never a good time to buy a computer.

    With prices constantly falling and better performance for price as hardware incessantly marches toward being a commodity good, one could just as easily say that it's always a good time to buy a computer.

    1. Re:Always a good time to buy a computer by The_Mystic_For_Real · · Score: 5, Insightful
      With prices constantly falling and better performance for price as hardware incessantly marches toward being a commodity good, one could just as easily say that it's always a good time to buy a computer.

      I think the case is actually that tomorrow is always a better day to buy a computer. I have to say that I myself have procrastinated ad infinitum when upgrading systems because it always seems that something awesome is coming up in a few months.

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    2. Re:Always a good time to buy a computer by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone begs to differ:
      The Effects of Moore's Law and Slacking on Large Computations

      Abstract :
      We show that, in the context of Moore's Law, overall productivity can be increased for large enough computations by `slacking' or waiting for some period of time before purchasing a computer and beginning the calculation.

      According to Moore's Law, the computational power available at a particular price doubles every 18 months. Therefore it is conceivable that for sufficiently large numerical calculations and fixed budgets, computing power will improve quickly enough that the calculation will finish faster if we wait until the available computing power is sufficiently better and start the calculation then.


      I particularly like their unit of measure : "slacktitude"

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  3. Only use "genuine" software! :) by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Funny
    "using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates."

    That's right, folks, only use "genuine" software for that clean, refreshing Microsoft feeling of comfort. The kind you cannot get with pirated software since they won't let you eliminate their own bugs that cause so many Net problems. The kind you cannot get with FOSS since you can see the code for yourself and fix the problems. No, if you want the genuine experience, the kind of out-of-the-box headache that only comes from Microsoft software, insist on "genuine" software! Our bank account balance will thank you.

  4. pragmatism and policy by jm92956n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS Clarifies: No SP2 For Pirated XP Copies

    So much for the herd effect. It's simply, really. If everyone but me has gotten a polio vaccine, I'll still be fine because the polio has nowhere to hide.As soon as 10 - 20 percent of the population isn't vaccinated, suddenly the problem [polio] reemerges.

    Why can't Microsoft understand the basic concept?

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    1. Re:pragmatism and policy by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Funny

      TechTV had problems that most of their on-air computers (which they're sure they paid for Windows on) ended up on the banned-number list when SP1 came out. See, it's kinda hard to do computer how-to segments and not accidently let the license key slip over the air a few times by mistake...

    2. Re:pragmatism and policy by gclef · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I'm waiting for the next virus/worm to change your activation key to a pirated one. That'll be interesting to watch.

    3. Re:pragmatism and policy by cmacb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I called them a couple years ago about a registration issue. I had installed the product more than three times (legitimately, because it had been removed from two of the older computers at this point). I got a third party company who said the computer that they needed to verify my authenticity was down. I was given some sort of fallback universal key (I don't know if it was time limited etc.)

      I asked what would happen if at some point in the future I needed to install the program again and was told I would have to call back each time. I asked if Microsoft had a commitment to always have someone there to answer the phone. She didn't know.

      That's when I decided to stop using MS products. It was the best event in my 10 years as a customer of the company. I immediately uninstalled the program (FrontPage of all things) and within 15 minutes had located an Open Source program that I actually liked better. The Web browser, word processor and operating system soon followed. It took a few months to adjust, but it was well worth it.

      I hope they keep up the good work. Make the product buggy, insecure, hard to use and too expensive. Maybe the US won't be so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to adopting open standards if MS cooperates by alienating their own customer base.

  5. Read it Again... by still_sick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS isn't saying they won't support Pirated versions - that implies that they're somehow changing their security scheme regarding service packs. They're NOT.

    The installation hurdles that existed in SP1 will be back again for SP2 - no more, no less.

    Nothing has changed, Move along, Move along...

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    1. Re:Read it Again... by cubic6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "The installation hurdles that existed in SP1 will be back again for SP2 - no more, no less."

      Yes, and as with SP1, the day after SP2 comes out, there'll be 10 warez releases of WinXP with SP2 slipstreamed in for your downloading pleasure. They will also come complete with working CD keys and some handy tools to bypass activation if necessary. I agree, this isn't really news at all.

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  6. Slashback Reguarly by beatleadam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this feature were to have a regular day of posting (i.e. Every Wednesday at 5:00pm or somesuch time frame) it would go a long way in adding credibility to Slashdot as a source of news.

    No joking/flames intended but every news source makes mistakes and has to either back pedal or update or simply roll with an ever changing or expanding story or what would be now defunct "facts".

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  7. Blackmail by Xhad · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Why cloud the issue with talk about secure this and security that when the basis for the policy has absolutely nothing to do with security?"

    I think what they're trying to get across is, "If your PC is insecure because you pirated our software, tough shit. Buy it next time and you can stay secure." I don't know that I like that attitude, since these unpatched machines as a whole also affect the people who do practice good security (usually through network traffic), but they're trying to equate "OS piracy" and "security risk", and just might succeed if new worms increase.

  8. wow by edrugtrader · · Score: 5, Funny

    "... using genuine software is an important part of keeping systems secure and running smoothly because it means continued access to the latest security enhancements and product updates."

    double speak is awesome.

    Q: why can't pirates get updates.
    A: you shouldn't be a pirate because pirates don't get updates.
    Q: i know, i implied they didn't get updates in my question, and you just repeated it to me...
    A: you should know that... i just told you.
    Q: see, you did it again. why are you doing that?
    A: you would be better off if you knew why i was doing this.
    Q: REM this is a question.
    A: ...
    Q: IS THIS A MICROSOFT PR BOT?!
    A: abort; goto end; kill();

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    1. Re:wow by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, man! Now they're gonna come out with the freakin' "install therapist" or something.

      "I see you've chosen to install the software o, D:, are you sure you wouldn't rather have it on C: where everyone else puts it?"

      "You haven't chosen to register now. Only bad people don't register now."

      "You don't call anymore, you just launch Mozilla and don't consider my feelings."

      Bastards!

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  9. Gentoo crew have done it right by Shapemaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a happy Gentoo user, I can testify to the usefulness of the system as a whole. Robbins and his crew really have done it right. It is the least the community can do to give something back to him for his hard work.

    We shall see how well the rest of the developers can knit the project together during the following months. It shall be interesting to see who will step forward as the new project leader as well.

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  10. Wow I'm glad MS can enforce this policy. by Gldm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean it must be comforting to know you can just blacklist the compromised install keys that pirates use and be done with it right? I mean it's not like anyone could possibly have made a key generator for Windows XP right?

    Is it just me or are anti-piracy measures just growing more and more inconvenient for legitimate users (product activation etc) and not at all more inconvenient for pirates (who get modified versions with the annoying features removed)?

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  11. Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) by elid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where's the logic here? If you want to use Linux, use it. No one's forcing you to use a Microsoft OS. But don't pirate Microsoft software and expect to get updates. The only question up for discussion is whether not providing security updates for pirates will hurt people besides the pirates themselves.

  12. Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP by Afrosheen · · Score: 5, Informative

    UT2k4 is linux native, jackass.

    Warcraft runs under Winex.

    Next!

  13. Re:I dontated $5 to Gentoo by NiceGeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're right...it should say "Your products will COMPILE within 2-5 working days".

  14. Most people I know, dont like windows.. by xxx_Birdman_xxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunally most people I know who aren't interesting in computers (I'm mainly thinking family members here), just want to turn on their computers, do some typing, send an email and surf the web.
    The are simply not interested in updating their OS. Most of them don't understand what updating is for. They only time they worry about it is when I get a phonecall going:
    "Ryan, the computer keeps shutting down for no reason.. what should I do?" - then i go in for cleanup, patches, firewall, firefox, etc, etc...

    So what happens is that you can end up with lots of legal AND illegal versions of software that aren't patched. I think many people wouldn't even know if they have a legal version or not.. They just use what is given to them.
    This is why worms lately have been able to cause so much havic lately. People just don't understand they have to update.

    So stopping the service packs from being installed just increases this issue and we have more and more machines on the net that are a breeding ground for worms- its hard to get people to update as it is!
    People see all these computers around with problems with Windows and form a bad opinion of it. Isn't it better to try to aim to have ALL copies of Windows installed around the world up to date and working smoothly, than risk getting the reputation that it's a bug-riddled OS?

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  15. Troll??? No. Insightful by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think that the parent post was a troll. I actually thing that the causal copiers are *exactly* the type of home users we want to market Linux to.

    For the record, I only use the term piracy to refer to organized cartels of copyright infringers. I presume most of the unlicensed copies of Windows XP in the US are from causal copiers or multiple installs from the same media. I think it is important to distinguish these issues in public discussion and policy.

    Every unlicensed copy of Windows represents a user who is unwilling to make a choice between paying full price for Windows or moving to an alternative operating system. By helping these people see that there are better deals that they can use without worrying about the ramifications (no service packs or patches, etc.) of using unlicensed copies of Windows.

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  16. Re:Ok, here's plan B for pirates using XP by raodin · · Score: 4, Informative

    How is he screwed on Unreal? Epic is one of the few companies that actually supports linux gaming - both server AND client.

  17. Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) by cyril3 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    since you can see the code for yourself and fix the problems

    Speaking as an average user can I just say that I don't wanna play with my kernel. I just wanna type my letters and go home. I don't wanna know what happens behind my desktop.

    It's a tool, like my car. I wouldn't have a clue how the engine management system in my car works. Hell, I don't even know if it has one apart from Joe down the garage. So I pay Joe or Microsoft to know that stuff. And it gets updated every now and then and with a little effort and a decent AV package I've never been hit by any worm or destructive virus.

    I use a fairly vanilla hardwear setup and when the ease of installation, and use of the OS and applications (and the range of applications) reaches the same level as Windows let me know. I and millions like me just don't have the training, time, or inclination to fiddle with the box.

    I appreciate that many do and it is those people who will eventually move Linux up to a position where it can replace Windows. But I object to being ridiculed as a mindless automaton because I don't share your passion for fixing operating systems. Because from a users perspective, it isn't as broken as you claim.

    Unless of course the 'you' referred to is the 0.0001% of the computer using population that does eliminate their own bugs or see code and fix it.

  18. Solution for Windows Users... by evilviper · · Score: 4, Informative

    For all you Windows users out there, I have a solution... DON'T UPGRADE!

    If you need to use Windows, at least be smart and don't get XP. MS insists on making you jump through extra hoops, so why not stick with good old 2000? It can do anything XP can, without registration, without the nasty new interface, and faster of course. Now that XP is the current Windows version, you can find perfectly legal copies of 2000 really cheap.

    Personally, I never upgraded from NT4. It's more stable than any other version (I would know), insanely fast compared to any other version, hardware drivers are always available, and it's still got rather modern Windows features (like DirectX 6). Runs all the same Windows programs as XP/2000.

    Now for some interesting prices:
    WinNT 4.0 Full $21.00 <-- recomended version
    Win 2000 $88.00
    Win 95 OSR2 w/USB Full $17.00
    Win 98 $49.00

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  19. Re:Only use "genuine" software! :) by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I wasn't ridiculing people such as yourself. You do not have to tinker with anything, if you don't want to. That's cool. Just write your letters and go home, that's fine.

    But to use your analogy of the car further, although you may not want to learn how the engine management system works, isn't it good to know that you could learn it if you wanted to? That you could open the hood at any time to check on the work the mechanic did? Wouldn't it be awful to be told you weren't allowed to look at your engine and had to trust the auto manufacturer any time they made an adjustment to your car?

    That's the freedom part of FOSS. Not that you have to look at the code, but at least you can look at it if you wanted to. You have the freedom to look or not look as you want.