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Road Marker Marks You

If you could make a reflective road marker (a "road stud", in the jargon) that contained a small solar cell and battery, you would be able to: A) power a LED at night to provide lit lanes, not just reflection; B) monitor for fog or water on the road surface; C) monitor the temperature to detect ice; D) use infrared ranging and embedded cameras to detect and report the license number of anyone speeding on the road; E) All of the above. If the company can make them cheap enough, they'll be everywhere in a few years.

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  1. Oh shit by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here come the "Soviet Russia" jokes.

    1. Re:Oh shit by stephenisu · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Soviet Russia,

      Mile markers drive into privacy advocates.

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    2. Re:Oh shit by justforaday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here come the "Soviet Russia" jokes.

      Preemptively taken care of: from the in-soviet-russia dept

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    3. Re:Oh shit by athakur999 · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, Slashdot posts "In Soviet Russia..." jokes on you!

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    4. Re:Oh shit by Skevin · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Road Marker Marks You

      In Soviet Russia, You mark Road Marker... ...because Soviet Russia didn't have enough bathrooms.

      Skevin

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    5. Re:Oh shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The story is the Soviet Russia joke. "In Soviet Russia, road markers mark you!" It doesn't get any more straightfoward. By reversing it you'd have something like: "In Soviet Russia, you mark the road... wait."

      For once, it seems as if those damn Russians got it right.

    6. Re:Oh shit by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 3, Funny

      ISR, slashdot preemptively takes care of YOU!

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    7. Re:Oh shit by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Makes you wonder about whether the cost of insurance will rise as a result of this. If you get in an accident and down a street light, they'll send your insurance company a bill for a new street light. If you get in an accident and take out 5 or 6 solar-powered weather computers, your insurance company will be paying out the nose for parts.

    8. Re:Oh shit by Raven42rac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Step 1: Install little spy bumps.
      Step 2: ??????
      Step 3: Extra revenue.

      You can take our Soviet Russia cliche, but you can never take our underpants gnomes cliche!
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    9. Re:Oh shit by zipoff · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's my understanding that the studs are embedded in the roadway and cannot be hit. As this page backs up, there is only a 4mm spot that is raised above the pavement, which allows snow removal to occur over it.

      If a snowplow isn't taking them out, neither will you.

    10. Re:Oh shit by John+Hurliman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the other hand, since this will improve law enforcement's ability to catch speeders, and speeding tickets is one of the yardsticks for insurance costs, if you don't get any tickets you might see rates drop (slightly). Also any technology that improves traffic safety in general should have a long-term positive effect on insurance rates.

    11. Re:Oh shit by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Falling rates are a fallacious concept. Insurance, Government and other organised criminal associations are already screwing us silly, and there is little we can do against it. They will rise and rise until the common citizen decides it is no longer affordable to play by the rules, and that will result in civil disobedience and/or a really nasty war against The Man.

      Or we might just move to Mexico and give everyone the finger.

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  2. Capitalist America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In Capitalist America, Road Marker Marks YOU!

  3. Just make them cheap enough? by Exiler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about, if the company can make them cheap enough then think up some ingenious distribution method to replace the reflectors on millions of miles of roadways they'd be everywhere?

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    1. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by kinzillah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean like, prison details?

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    2. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by Exiler · · Score: 2

      "Road Closed."

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    3. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      IIRC, states get Federal funding for road projects. As a result, even the poorest state tends to keep their road construction budget quite high.

      Of course, this only applies to the US.

    4. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 5, Informative

      sheesh, I'd accept a temporary increase in my vehicle registration for a couple of years to see these on the farm roads here in Texas.

      You haven't lived until you've torn a chunk of the drivers seat out with your ass because of an unexpected turn.

      For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of driving on a farm road in Texas, here's a brief description.

      1.5 lanes wide
      No shoulder
      Painted lines optional
      Random livestock

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    5. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They'd have to be durable in northern climates because anything you put on the road has to be able to withstand getting scraped off of the road by a snowplow.

    6. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by Mithrandir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, so you mean like the average aussie road then. Nothing unusual about that.... In fact, 1.5 lanes is rather generous. Most roads here outside of the main cities tend to be around 1 lane wide with half lane of dirt either side of it. Somewhat like this:

      The Alpine Way 1 and The Alpine Way 2 in the Snowy Mountains area or somewhere near Mt Isa

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    7. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by swordboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We really don't need these for high-traffic areas. Ya' see, most cars these days are just huge rolling sensors with wheels and seats. Add bluetooth or wifi and allow the cars to communicate with a centralized data-acquisition system and you've got massive amounts of good, useful data. ABS kicking in on multiple cars in the same area? Warn other drivers of slick conditions (GPS sensor required). Air-bag deployed? Warn other drivers of potential debris/flotsam. Speedo registering well under the limit for all cars? Warn other drivers of congestion.

      But I'm sure that some idiot with a patent will keep this from being deployed on a wide scale for decades to come, causing unnecessary deaths, injuries or otherwise reducing quality of life for all drivers.

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    8. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by jdray · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Posted speed limit" is the phrase, aka "ignored arbitrary number."

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    9. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by jdray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great, then someone will come up with a hack that spoofs the receivers, creating "traffic jams" on deserted roads, "icy conditions" in the desert and many other, more nefarious things.

      Not that I'm necessarily advocating "Big Brother"-type, camera-on-every-lightpost monitoring, but it would be foolish to rely on people correctly reporting what their vehicle is doing at all times.

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    10. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perry county, central PA. Any given road that's not an Interstate will have any number of the following defects or problems:

      1. Animals ranging in size from squirrels to bears will camp in the road with impunity. Beeping will not help. Creeping forward will not help. This is why gun racks for trucks were invented.
      2. Drunken rednecks will stammer aimlessly up the side of the road between 8 a.m. and 9 p.m. and 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. (the lags are due to the time it takes shift changing workers to get drunk and compensate for bar opening / closing times). This is the secondary reasoning behind gun racks for trucks.
      3. Potholes. Potholes in most places mean "a hole in the road which causes temporary discomfort or, if serious enough, possible damage to the vehicle". In Perry County, it's a "dimple" in the road until it's large enough to swallow a CG-47 Ticonderoga vessel whole. Fortunately, any self-respecting denizen of Perry County owns at least two trucks twice the size of a Ticonderoga and loaded with five time the armaments.
      4. Thirty degree turns. I wish I made that up.
      5. A long, hard haul up one side and a drop off on the other that would make a roller coaster designer wet his pants. No hill in Perry County that has a road on it has any shape other than a perfect wedge. If you managed to run up one side fast enough, you could probably win the X-Prize with your truck after you ramp off the top.
      6. One lane. Or less. If there is a lane.
      7. Watch out for houses on the roadway. Literally.
      8. Roads in Perry County were invented for large pieces of farm equipment to travel on in first gear only. This warning actaully applies to the interstates and major roadways as well.
      9. No matter how many people die at the intersection, or how backed up the traffic gets, there is no red light. Perry County residents are stubbornly proud of the fact that there has never been a permanent red light in their county. Several attempts to put some in to save lives and manage the traffic flow have been brought forward. All of them got their shit seriously wrecked by rednecks in trucks with gun racks.
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    11. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by Some_Llama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Looking at those roads gave me flashbacks to "The Road Warrior".

    12. Re:Just make them cheap enough? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Animals ranging in size from squirrels to bears will camp in the road with impunity. Beeping will not help. Creeping forward will not help. This is why gun racks for trucks were invented.

      If you're talking about the ones in the window: They were actually invented to deal with the concealed carry laws in certain states.

      If you want to carry a gun in a car it has to be visible from the outside. Otherwise it's a "concealed weapon" because it's "concealed by the car". Thus the gun rack across the back window, where the guns are plainly visible.

      (Don't tread on me. And if you're a peredator don't eat my livestock - or try to stick up my car. B-) )

      By the way: At least one southwestern state had a law that required any gun carried in the car to be loaded. That's so the car's occupants can use the gun to prevent the theft of the gun by escaping prisoners and the like, in the regions where the nearest telephone or cop might be several hour's drive away.

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  4. Aqua-planing ? by zedmelon · · Score: 5, Funny
    A mere 5mm of water on the road surface can cause a vehicle travelling at 70mph to lose all grip

    5mm? 70mph? What if I'm driving in a quarter inch of water at 115kph?

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    1. Re:Aqua-planing ? by LqqkOut · · Score: 2, Funny
      Rub it in, you insensitive clod!

      We Americans all feel stupid now bc we don't use the metric system (as already pointed out a little while ago)

      At least we can all agree on a standard clock!

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    2. Re:Aqua-planing ? by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Funny

      This simple convertor should help.

      http://simpsons.shafe.com/hogshead.html

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    3. Re:Aqua-planing ? by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      5mm? 70mph? What if I'm driving in a quarter inch of water at 115kph?

      That depends on how many Newtons your car weighs.

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    4. Re:Aqua-planing ? by Adriax · · Score: 3, Funny

      That depends on how many Newtons your car weighs.

      Fig or strawberry?

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    5. Re:Aqua-planing ? by sparcnut · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, a gram is a measure of mass. A newton is a measure of weight, which is a force.

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    6. Re:Aqua-planing ? by printman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, gram is mass, newton is mass * acceleration which is equivalent to weight when referring to the acceleration due to gravity...

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    7. Re:Aqua-planing ? by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if I'm driving in a quarter inch of water at 115kph?

      You work in the aerospace industry?

      KFG

    8. Re:Aqua-planing ? by ibpooks · · Score: 3, Informative

      What kind of dumbass modded this up? A gram measures mass; weight is the force exerted on an object due to gravity.

    9. Re:Aqua-planing ? by SuperBigGulp · · Score: 5, Funny

      The important thing is to keep your mm*mph below 350. Just as 5 x 70 will cause you to lose control, driving on 1mm of water at 350 mph will also cause you to lose control. Similarly, driving 1 mph on 350 mm of water will also cause you to lose control.

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    10. Re:Aqua-planing ? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, we only use GMT in the winter. At the moment we're on BST which is one hour ahead.

    11. Re:Aqua-planing ? by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do not think you know what are you talking about. I have hit a stream running across a road in a tropical rainstorm which was just about quarter of an inch deap at 32 mph. Was more then enough for the car to completely lose grip. There was an 800m sheer cliff going down into the Atlantic on the left and 800m sheer cliff going up towards Cumbre Viejo on the right.The next 2 seconds I was busy avoiding either one of these and bringing back the car under control. Barely avoided either at least 3 times each. And believe me if you have ever aquaplaned you would not have ever tried to joke about it.

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    12. Re:Aqua-planing ? by zedmelon · · Score: 2
      I do not think you know what are you talking about.
      I was quoting the article. If you have a problem with my rounding errors in 1/8 inch and 115 km/h, I'll be happy to correct those to "0.196850394 inches" and "112.65408 km/h" for you. Please forgive my mental math.

      If you're challenging the figures' journalistic integrity, consult with the author.

      I have hit a stream running across a road in a tropical rainstorm which was just about quarter of an inch deap at 32 mph.
      I'm impressed; my estimations on how "deap" the water is are generally inaccurate, especially if I'm busy consulting my speedometer to ascertain my velocity down to the nearest integral mph.

      Was more then enough for the car to completely lose grip.
      "Than" maybe it wasn't the best decision to be out driving. Or at least not at the reckless speed of thirty-two mph.

      There was an 800m sheer cliff going down into the Atlantic on the left and 800m sheer cliff going up towards Cumbre Viejo on the right.
      I'll correct myself. You're quite the dope for driving so fast under those conditions. However, I feel compelled to ask you where the water ("running across a road") was coming from if both sides of the road were 800m lower than the driving surface...

      The next 2 seconds I was busy avoiding either one of these
      ...but you're not going to tell us which?

      Barely avoided either at least 3 times each.
      so you traversed the breadth of the road a minimum of six times within a timeframe of two seconds. At 32 mph, that would make the road at most 15.6444444 feet wide (excuse the inaccuracy). And that doesn't allow you any deceleration time as you swerve from left to right and back.

      I'll correct myself again. You're an incredible idiot for

      • driving over 15 mph
      • in a tropical rainstorm
      • on a road that bridges the difference between a 800m drop into the ocean and an 800m drop onto rocks
      • a road that comes complete with its own river (still no batteries included)
      • and not slowing down
      • though the cliffs were both sheer, so it was just like the scene about 75% through LOTR: FOTR, right after the fight scene with the troll.
      • let me make that "driving over 5 mph" in those conditions
      Are you sure you're not really Evel Knievel? Then let me restate my assertion that you're an idiot.

      And believe me if you have ever aquaplaned you would not have ever tried to joke about it.
      Oh, I believe you. There are just two things wrong with that:

      1. I have hydroplaned (sorry, we ignorant Americans call it hydro-) probably a dozen times; in Colorado it's quite common for rain to build up suddenly. Flash floods aren't rare either.

        My most recent hydroplaning adventure was on a busy rush-hour-traffic highway travelling at about 60 mph, I fishtailed around a curve driving through southern Denver. I decelerated from the 75 I had been traveling, because I had to suddenly change lanes when a three-car accident happened right in front of me, and it's customary, courteous, and generally smart to slow down when hazards occur. Then, around the corner, there was standing water on the road, which I didn't see through the cars that were wrecking around me. We've all been there. Relax.

      2. If you would read for content, you'd realize that my comment was poking fun at the inconsistency demonstrated by using two separate systems of measurement in the same sentence, not the hazards of water on the road nor the peril it can introduce into the act of driving.

      Re:Aqua-planing ? (Score:2, Informative) by arivanov (12034)
      Informative?
      So the mods are joking today too, right? Or does this mean the next time I "inform" the entirety of /. about the time I got real scared because I watched "The Exorcist" in the dark, I'll get modded up too?

      and bringing back the car under control.
      Whew. The gene pool would certainly have been incomplete without you.

      Focus your frustrations on whatever's causing them.

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    13. Re:Aqua-planing ? by fireshipjohn · · Score: 2, Informative
      >And to the folks that corrected my terminology: yes, I know "Z" or "UTC" is the more correct term, but old habits die hard. :-)

      Well actually its not :)

      The UTC (or Universal Coordinated Time) scale is an atomic timescale by universal agreement, that is, everyone compares their atomic clocks and adjusts towards the common agreement.

      While GMT is an astronomical timescale from observation.

      This means UTC is pretty constant while GMT might move around a bit with the decaying orbit of the earth.

      Over long periods GMT usually falls behind so every few years we have a Leap Second to bring them back into approximate alignment.

      So we use UTC for all our time measuring, but we need to monitor GMT to know when to correct UTC, otherwise they would slowly drift apart.

      But to a 'less than a second' approximation, they are about the same.

      More details here BIPM Website

      Is that clear now?

      John
  5. "Road Marker" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    FWIW, the correct term for these items is RPM, or "Raised Pavement Marker".

    1. Re:"Road Marker" by SRain315 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The theft of multiple road markers is therefore referred to as "compiling RPMs"

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    2. Re:"Road Marker" by zcat_NZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      And if you get caught stealing them, you could always claim it's because of a medical condition; RPM dependancy!

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  6. Or F by SheldonYoung · · Score: 5, Funny

    F) Drive along with a truck and a shovel, collecting enough solar panels and batteries to power your house.

    1. Re:Or F by centauri · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, I bet any decent wedge could pop those things right off. I'm thinking of a motorcycle stunt ramp. Just let those stinking Cavefish try to follow me!

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  7. Money everywhere... by Kjuib · · Score: 2, Funny

    then we could start a company that tore the markers off the road then sold them back to the Company. We will be rich! Or maybe we will make Marks to Mark where the road markers end up... there is an Idea for you.

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  8. Reg Free Link by karmatic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here.

  9. Lets just get it out of the way by aardwolf204 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lets just get it out of the way
    F) CowboyNeal

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    1. Re:Lets just get it out of the way by happyfrogcow · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lets just get it out of the way
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  10. One problem: by EMDischarge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Snow plows. Granted, you can embed them in a track in between lanes but that gets expensive over large sections of roadway. Cool idea, though, will probably be most useful in areas that don't get enough snow to warrant plowing.

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    1. Re:One problem: by karmatic · · Score: 5, Informative

      Blah, Blah, Blah - RTFA.

      "The original Astucia markers were glued onto the road surface. That left them vulnerable to snowplow blades and to constant pounding from car and truck tires.

      Mr. Dicks wanted to put the markers into holes drilled into the road surface. The key, he said, was finding self-healing resins for the top lenses that would be flush with the surface and subjected to much wear and tear."

    2. Re:One problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you surprised that someone named "Mr. Dicks" wants to put things into holes...

    3. Re:One problem: by bferrell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seems the brits have taken the placed of the soviets
      in taking credit for things:

      http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/bottsdots .a sp

    4. Re:One problem: by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait a second. If they're flush with the roadway, then how do they plan to take photos of speeders' license plates? I mean, isn't that

      (A) an impossible angle and
      (B) a very thick, slanted lens relative to the camera?

      That would mean making the actual optics in the cameras much more complex to compensate, not to mention the fact that with a snowplow scraping over them, the exterior surface will be in no shape to act as a lens at all. These things would be way too expensive to be viable anywhere.

  11. Sounds a lot like . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. Article Text by zoloto · · Score: 5, Informative

    In a Road That's All Eyes, the Driver Finds an Ally
    By IAN AUSTEN

    ABOUT 12 years ago, Martin Dicks was trapped in dense fog during a harrowing four-hour commute to his job as a firefighter in central London.

    "Virtually all I could see on the road was a cat's-eye reflector every now and then," Mr. Dicks said, recalling his trip down one of Britain's major highways. "I figured that if I could make the cat's-eyes more visible, I could probably save more lives than I could in the fire service."

    A back injury forced Mr. Dicks out of the fire department shortly afterward, giving him the time to pursue that goal. His training as an electrical engineer provided the necessary skills.

    Now, after perfecting illuminated markers that are embedded in the road surface to guide motorists through bad weather or warn of dangerous conditions, Mr. Dicks's company, Astucia Traffic Management Systems, is going a step further. Its latest creation is an embedded stud equipped with a camera that catches speeders, monitors traffic for criminals or stolen cars and even checks for bald tires on the fly.

    "Nobody knows it's a camera or a speed trap," Mr. Dicks said of his latest creation.

    Mr. Dicks's original idea was quite simple in concept. He wanted to create an illuminated road marker containing its own power source, a solar cell. At night or in bad weather, light from approaching vehicles would generate enough power to light up the marker, which consisted of light-emitting diodes. An illuminated marker would be more visible than a plain reflector, and the idea was that a car passing over the markers would cause them to stay illuminated long enough so that they would provide a warning trail of lights for any vehicles close behind.

    The trouble, at first, was the technology available in the early 1990's. Photovoltaic cells were not as efficient as they are today. And at the time, Mr. Dicks recalled, "the concept of a white L.E.D. was nowhere."

    Working mostly with family members at first, Mr. Dicks produced a prototype marker within two years. He dodged the white L.E.D. problem by combining the glow from red, green and blue arrays. The group not only overcame the limitations of solar cells, but also managed to engineer markers that turned red to warn when the gap between two cars was dangerously small.

    Mr. Dicks said the technology both impressed and alarmed British government highway officials.

    "They were frightened about everyone using the product on roads from one end of the country to the other," he said. "They thought it would make their budgets disappear."

    The first markers cost roughly twice the price of conventional embedded road studs. As a result, their use was restricted at first to especially fog-prone or dangerous sections of roads as well as crosswalks, including some in the United States.

    Mr. Dicks was not the only person with a desire to illuminate to road markers. After a friend struck and killed a pedestrian in 1991 at a crosswalk in Santa Rosa, Calif., Michael Harrison developed a system that uses flashing L.E.D.'s in the road surface to make crosswalks more visible. The company he founded in 1994, LightGuard Systems, now has about 700 installations in the United States.

    A study of 100 illuminated crosswalks by Katz, Okitsu & Associates, a traffic engineering firm based in Southern California, estimates that adding the blinking L.E.D.'s to crosswalks can reduce pedestrian accidents by 80 percent.

    The original Astucia markers were glued onto the road surface. That left them vulnerable to snowplow blades and to constant pounding from car and truck tires.

    Mr. Dicks wanted to put the markers into holes drilled into the road surface. The key, he said, was finding self-healing resins for the top lenses that would be flush with the surface and subjected to much wear and tear.

    "It's like running your fingernail on a rubber sheet," he said of the plastics' behavior. "The mark it leaves goes away."

    A

    1. Re:Article Text by elmegil · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But when their insurance starts going down

      Fat frickin' chance. Price went down for CD manufacturing. Did the price at Best Buy drop any? No. Are the Insurance companies any more ethical than the RIAA? Hell no.

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    2. Re:Article Text by switcha · · Score: 2, Funny
      "Virtually all I could see on the road was a cat's-eye reflector every now and then," Mr. Dicks said, ...

      I had the same thing happen to me, except all I (thump) could see (thump) was the occasional cat's eyes. (thump)

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    3. Re:Article Text by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Insurance companies offer all sorts of discounts if you qualify.

      At Allstate I have/had Safe drive and good discounts.

      They also give you breaks if you have safety features such as Antilock breaks and theft deterrent systems, such as reinforced ignition plates(not sure of the name, but you get the idea) The lower your rate when you pass a certain age, if you a Guy.

      Granted you can look at it as a cup half-empty/half-full thing. But the fact is there are many different rates in auto insurance.

      And this is the problem with using analogies.

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    4. Re:Article Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you really fucking think the cost of reproducing a CD is indicative of how much it should cost, you sir are an idiot.

      Past that, the fist CDs I bought were around $18. Most these days I can pick up at BestBuy at $10 - $13. This is 10 years later and inflation has pushed the prices of everything else up. Yet, the human power that it costs to record a CD is still the same.

      Are the insurance companies any more ethical than the RIAA? No, they are company and as such amoral -- their only goal is to make money.

      Fucking moron brat...get a job hippie.

    5. Re:Article Text by winwar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True. But what exactly do safe driving discounts and being a safe driver have in common? Generally these discounts mean you have no tickets or accidents. But speeding is not very useful in determining safety. At fault accidents, probably, other moving violations, probably. After all, how many people don't speed? Probably as many as get caught speeding, if that :)

      For instance, I have a speeding ticket. The second in 17 years of driving. According to insurance companies, I am suddenly a more dangerous driver, more likely to be in accidents. But my driving ability hasn't changed. Sure, they may be able to lump me in a different category, but that does not mean their model is correct. It's just that the only data they have to predict whether people MIGHT cause future accidents is tickets, so they use it and try to justify it. Garbage in, garbage out.

      If they really were concerned about safety, they would only give discounts to people who took real driving courses. Courses that teach you how to control your car. But then they might find that those people got tickets at a similar rate as other drivers, maybe even got into just as many accidents. Would kind of destroy their system, wouldn't it? After all, what is the justification for not giving discounts for people who successfully complete intensive driving courses, regardless of their records? That perhaps our system and consequences are much more random than we would like to admit? And there is not a good and equitable way to predict these outcomes?

  13. Reg-Free, Hijack Free Link. by karmatic · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apparently, they are now doing full page hijacking ads.

    Reg-Free, Straight to the page without hijacking link.

  14. Road studs by Cruciform · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those little studs are great. There's some newly paves roads in our area that have long curves with steep dropoffs and the painted lines really don't show up well on rainy nights.

    They placed the road studs on one of these roads and they practically glow compared to the paint. If the self-illuminating kind become readily available and easily placed it would be great for areas that see a lot of inclement weather.

    Might cut down on the number of oncoming cars that drift into my lane on during the commute home as well. Now if we could just jam cell phone use in cars.

  15. What would be very cool by obfuscated · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is if the government started putting leds embedded into the pavement and they could send you messages (eg. accident up ahead, work zone, speed limit changed to XXmph, etc) to you while you're driving having the message pace with your car.

    Also, you could make lanes that are dynamic during the day and night. (They already have those with changing street signs).

    Real time stopping distance approxomations (are you following too close?). Lane change "handoffs" (the road infront of you goes orange because someone is turning into that lane.)

    It's would be the same technology used for those rotating led clocks.

    Of course, it'll all be moot when people finally let computers do the driving for them.

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    1. Re:What would be very cool by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Here's a very direct link to Northwest Indiana's current solution, which doesn't incorporate all you asked for but does show everything I need and want :-). I do like your ideas, though.

      Click me!

  16. A ./ first? by lpangelrob2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Is this the first news story to be posed in the form of a multiple choice question? If so, can it also be the last? :-)

    On another note, at least mention the fact the article is New York Times.

    Now for on topic stuff... I like the idea of flashing lights for crosswalks, but not so much the cameras. It's sort of messed up to think that every single reflector in the road can be a camera.

    Also, at what point does this start becoming a distraction? Can I see the lights from my front window? Being LEDs, I would hope not, but it'd be nice to know. I also would be interested in seeing whether these things stand up to the weight of a Chicago winter... regardless of what the article says. :-)

  17. Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by dara · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As I say every time this subject comes up, I'd much rather have my car know the max speed on a given road for a given set of conditions and not be allowed to go over the max speed, than I want fancy electronics to check to see if I go over the max speed, and if I do, take my picture, and send me a ticket. I'd rather pay higher taxes than fund police through tickets (and we wouldn't need as much traffic police either if the cars were smarter).

    I claim that if no one could go over the speed limit, traffic would flow much more smoothly, and if the limit is too low (because you are expected to speed 10 mph), we will all complain loudly enough to get it changed.

    Other aspects of this project sound interesting though.

    Dara Parsavand

    1. Re:Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by Aero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The idea of engine governors (in any form) is great until someone gets involved in a side-impact collision that could have been avoided if they'd only been able to stomp on the gas and make the oncoming vehicle (which, engine governor or no, was still moving at more than zero speed) miss. Braking isn't always an option, nor is maneuvering...sometimes the only way to avoid a collision is to go faster.

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    2. Re:Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd much rather have my car know the max speed on a given road for a given set of conditions and not be allowed to go over the max speed

      There are times when going over the speedlimit not only legal, but done for saftey reasons. Passing another car on a two lane highway is one case where it's perfectly acceptable to go 10 or 15mph over the posted limit depending on the state's local laws. Even smaller towns near where I live who depend on speeding tickets for income when I told the judge I was passing a truck halling rocks, he understood and threw it out.

      I wouldn't object to a system where my car would understand the speed limit and beep at me if i'm going over, nor would I object to a cruse control i'm able to set at that speed, so long as I can override it for passing or other emergencies.

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    3. Re:Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by 87C751 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It would seem that you are unfamiliar with the revenue enhancement aspect of speed enforcement. Speed limits are only peripherally about safety. In many (most?) small towns, speeding fines are a significant portion of the municipal revenue stream. Of course, they won't publicly admit this in so many words, but a proposal to implement red-light cameras in Ohio was withdrawn after a lawmaker proposed warning signs and a first-offense-free policy. Both the camera company and the town involved complained that that plan would reduce revenue too much, prompting the legislator to ask "Is this a bill about safety or a bill about revenue?"

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    4. Re:Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by heytherefancypants · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, so allow speed bursting. This isn't an overly complicated issue. Allowing for short bursts of speed (5 seconds?) should be enough to allow preventable accidents and could also be smart enough to deal with people on/off/on/off the gas trying to get a higher speed.

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    5. Re:Don't ticket me - control my car's max speed by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you making this up? You're telling me that a lawmaker was actually interested in improving safety instead of making more revenue? Did you come from one of those parallel universes discovered with a laser pointer?

  18. Won't work in many parts of the North by tyrani · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the upper states (buffalo, etc) and many parts of Canada, they have a great deal of trouble with things like these. Snow plows simply pick anything not level with the road off. Even if they're dug down a bit into the pavement, they still get damaged and eventually get picked out. I don't think that it's going to work to well up here.

    Now, figure out how to do all that in a paint and then you're a kabillionair!

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    1. Re:Won't work in many parts of the North by nacturation · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article covers this already. Dig hole, embed reflector/sensor...

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  20. sorry but... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    while people will really like these if they do only the 'safety' tasks (illuminated, warnings for fog, standing water, ...), there's no way they wouldn't be vandalized instantly if they were used for speed limit enforcement.

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    1. Re:sorry but... by dex22 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just remember, when you hit them with the sledgehammer, hit them slowly or they'll take your picture!

  21. I've thought about this... by FlyingOrca · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...ever since I saw embedded reflectors in the UK. Problem is, where I live, we get large amounts of snow and ice building up on the roads. Sometimes when I'm driving on the highway, my mind will turn to the notion of holographic lane markers... or some equivalent system that would interact with the windshield of the car to visibly plot lanes etc... How about it, physicists of /.? Any brilliant ideas?

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    1. Re:I've thought about this... by Kaa · · Score: 2, Funny

      some equivalent system that would interact with the windshield of the car to visibly plot lanes etc...

      Anything that can be hacked will be hacked.

      Do you really want to see a picture of the goatse man on your windshield as you are driving on the highway?

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  22. similar idea by for_usenet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In a pretty recent issue of Spectrum (the IEEE "trade" mag), there was a piece on a sensor network being used on an island off Massachusetts to study birds that lived on an island in that region.

    The sensor were about the size of golf balls, and had sensors for info like temperature, humidity, etc., were battery powered, and capable of creating their own network along which they could relay info.

    Here, sounds like they're trading size for range of functions - but that's to be expected. Sensors, sensors, everywhere, and where does all that info go ...

  23. My reaction by chrispl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My first reaction is:

    LED lit roads - good
    Roads that track you everywhere you go - Bad

    So why does such a good idea have to become "real-world bloatware"?

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  24. Speed enforcement by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The markers will probably be useful for detecting fog and leaving a light trail after cars. Speed cameras are best placed on vertical structures where the lens is less likely to get covered with ice/snow/road grime/spray paint and where the lens is also best positioned to view license plates. Besides, we'll probably all go to RFIDs in cars within a few years :) Automated enforcement of speed laws is actually illlegal in many jurisdictions like NJ and PA (in PA local cops aren't even allowed to use RADAR or laser). Something about the right to face your accuser...

    -b0s0z0ku

    1. Re:Speed enforcement by Desert+Raven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (in PA local cops aren't even allowed to use RADAR or laser).

      True

      Something about the right to face your accuser...

      Not true. It's an old issue that involved poorly trained municipal officers, corrupt small departments and a desire to keep the really nifty things in the hands of the State police. The first two are not much of an issue anymore, since the state now controls training of *all* police officers, and oversight of municipal governments is now pretty tight. The last one still holds though. The State troopers like their exclusive use of radar.

      It doesn't really hinder the municipal cops much though. As long as it doesn't emit a doppler signal or use rangefinding, it's OK for use (VASCAR, speed tapes, stopwatch, etc.)

  25. RFID tags in tires by mec · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also, I expect these sensors to read the RFID tags embedded in tires.

  26. Insurance go down?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "We all break the law regarding speeding," Mr. Kerridge said. "The system may leave a bad taste in motorists' mouths at the beginning. But when their insurance starts going down and stolen vehicles start getting recovered, the benefits will overcome that."

    My insurance has never gone down with the same company here in CA. I have to switch providers for a $100 break, then it goes up, up, then I have to switch again. Perfect record.

    1. Re:Insurance go down?? by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      when their insurance starts going down

      Yea, that'll happen. I'm sure I'm not the only one willing to bet my life savings that this type of thing will only raise rates.

    2. Re:Insurance go down?? by Chewie · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure I'm not the only one willing to bet my life savings that this type of thing will only raise rates.

      You're crazy. This is just like when we got CDs and DVDs. They were more expensive at first, but once they got the manufacturing issues worked out, the prices came down just as promised.

      What? They didn't? Shit.

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    3. Re:Insurance go down?? by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Want to lower insurance rates? It's easy: Make fragile painted bumpers illegal.

      The outer shell of my rear bumper is made of brittle plastic and painted to match the rest of the car body. If some poor bastard accidently rear-ends my car at 5 MPH, the bumber will have to be replaced ($400), and then a body-shop worker will have to carefully match the faded paint on the rest of the car when painting the new one ($350) and that's not even counting the lights and stuff. Also, if he hits me at anything over 15 MPH, the bumper will fail to absorb all the shock, causing damage to the body and running the repair bill into the thousands. All of our rates are higher because of cars like mine.

      On the other hand, if all cars had an ugly pig-iron rear bumper which is not considered "damaged" if scratched and has a good system of hyrdolic shocks going through the length of the car which allows it to recoil against a 30 MPH collision without impacting the body or frame, "fender bender" accidents would start costing about $0, and probably involve fewer whiplash incidents. Rates would go down for everybody.

      But that would be too practical. People prefer pretty-looking safety equipment over stuff that works as it should. No politician could ever pass such a law and hope to be re-elected.

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    4. Re:Insurance go down?? by Garak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Its not just the bumper its the entire car.

      Make cars that are designed to be easily fixed and that last forever(moving parts should be easy to replace). Sure the auto industry won't make billions and employ a few thousand. But the small local garages will have more work to make up for the lost jobs and you won't be using as much power/resources.

      This model works, look at most professional trucks or equipment. Most trucks are expected to work for well over 30 years. They can last nearly for ever if you make the mechanical parts easy to replace.

      We have to get away from our disposible ways. With technology rapidly changing its difficult but alot of things don't change.

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    5. Re:Insurance go down?? by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Parts that wear out don't impact insurance, just the usable life of the car. Besides, cars already last a lot longer (with a lot less maintenance) than they used to. Just about any new car you buy today, unless it's a total lemon, you can expect to drive 100k before replacing anything beyond fluids, an air filter and maybe your break pads and tires. With a little extra maintenance, most of them will last well beyond 200k.

      So, if you drive 20,000 miles a year, you can expect a 2004 car to get you to 2014 and beyond, by which time the cars coming out then will be so vastly superior you will want another new one anyway, especially since you will be 10 years older and probably in a higher income bracket.

      Car bodies are now designed to give themselves up in high-speed collisions to save the lives of the drivers. I know, because a drunk driver hit my 2003 Nissan pick-up truck head on (off-set front collision... the classic horror story safety testers like to focus on), shattering the entire engine compartment to little pieced. When my ears stopped ringing from the air bag deployment, I noticed that I was not only unharmed, but listening to the music of my CD player, which continued to play through the entire accident!

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    6. Re:Insurance go down?? by cavebear42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ever think about this?
      Where do we get reports saying that speeding causes more deaths and accidents? Insurance agencies.
      Insurance companies base rate on points.
      Number 1 reason for points, speeding tickets.
      Number 1 lobbyer against repealing speeding laws? insurance agencies.

      Non-insurance agency reports generally say that speeding doesn't make an accident any better or worse.

      We don't like speeding laws but we never get the chance to vote them away based on companies funding campaigns full of biased data. This is a perfect example of a republic failing where a democracy would have succeeded.

      The republic was made because tallying votes from every person wasn't possible so we tallied the votes for an area and let them vote as a block. Now that it is possible (diebold aside) it's time to implement the democracy.

    7. Re:Insurance go down?? by SacredNaCl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Want to lower insurance rates? It's easy: Make fragile painted bumpers illegal.

      It's not just bumpers that need to be fixed, a lot of cars now have an external spare tire on the rear that is positioned so that if you get into an accident with them with a vehicle taller than say a Geo Metro - you are not only going to impact the bumper but the spare tire - which in turn will impact the rear glass, 3rd light, frame for rear glass. Since that piece is usually one section, you end up not only having to replace the bumper, but the entire rear door assembly + glass + electronics (like wipers).

      The accident that was $500 or less is now closer to $3,000-3,500 on a car like that.

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    8. Re:Insurance go down?? by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There have been a number of improvements, but also a lot of moving backwards.

      Newer cars do a lot to protect the passenger compartment in an accident, as it should be. However, I saw tests of SUVs backing into those concrete posts in parking lots at less than 5 MPH and doing $1500 worth of damage to themselves (commonly, the rear windshield shatters). That's inexcusable, especially in a so called utility vehicle.

      Of course, the worst I ever saw was a new Corvette with the entire body shattered after being hit by a Honda. Whatever damage the Honda may have had wasn't apparent while driving past. Thinking about the increadible bill the Honda's driver was about to recieve, I had to wonder if perhaps we should consider a legal duty to have a reasonably durable car. If someone taps your rear bumper and your $60,000 car goes to pieces, that's YOUR fault (and stupidity for buying such junk), not theirs.

      Crumple zones are necessary, but they shouldn't even think of crumpling in a <20 MPH accident.

    9. Re:Insurance go down?? by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Informative

      The outer shell of my rear bumper is made of brittle plastic and painted to match the rest of the car body. If some poor bastard accidently rear-ends my car at 5 MPH, the bumber will have to be replaced ($400), and then a body-shop worker will have to carefully match the faded paint on the rest of the car when painting the new one ($350) and that's not even counting the lights and stuff. Also, if he hits me at anything over 15 MPH, the bumper will fail to absorb all the shock, causing damage to the body and running the repair bill into the thousands. All of our rates are higher because of cars like mine.

      Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

      There's a plastic bumper cover, yes indeedy. Then there's usually half an inch to a whole inch (sometimes more) of styrofoam. In a collision, that styrofoam will crush, absorbing kinetic energy and distributing it across the entire area of the bumper. Both the plastic cover and the styrofoam are one-use parts and are designed to be replaced after each collision.

      Then, underneath all that, you typically find a regular steel bumper (although a bit lighter, thanks to the benefits of styrofoam) and--get this--shock absorbers.

      Bumpers today work completely different than the ones put out 30 years ago. Bumpers today distribute the energy of the collision and absorb it in more places before it even gets to the frame. This allows car manufacturers to manufacture lighter "weaker" frames (unibodies, mostly), giving us better gas mileage, better performance, and generally cheaper cars (adjusted for inflation, of course, but I read recently that a $10k car today was actually less expensive than a $2k car in the '50s).

      We've learned a lot about what actually happens in a collision.

      Now let's take a look at my truck (and yes, truck frames haven't changed much). My truck is a '71 Chevy Custom 10 with trailer mirrors and a positrac rear end (that's what the "custom" means). It rolled off the dealer floor like this. It has two big-ass steel bumpers on the front and back, and they are bolted directly to the frame. So, in a collision, all of the kinetic energy that the truck must absorb must be absorbed in the frame. This makes the likelihood that even a small collision will cause more structural damage to my truck much higher than, say, my wife's 2001 Toyota Corolla, with the plastic bumper cover, styrofoam, and shock absorbers. Sure, it's more expensive to replace the bumber crap on her car than my truck, but in a *serious* collision, is it more expensive to fix her car or my truck? Probably my truck. IN fact, it's probably more expensive to fix my truck than it is to buy a brand new Toyota Corolla to replace her old one (it's a disposable car, let's face it).

      So, now we get to the meat of the issue. The same wreck that bent my frame that would've probably totalled her car also probably saw her walking away from the wreck while I was being loaded into an ambulance. When it's all said and done, which wreck was more expensive?

      Finally, there are laws in place that require cars manufactured to meet certain standards in a collision, and the 5 mph test is just one of them. The focus of the laws is to save lives, of course. There are numerous occasions where manufacturers have designed cars that are specifically designed to sacrifice itself to save the passengers (cab-forward design is a good one, the passenger compartment rises to the top of the wreck, more or less untouched, while the rest of the car buckles). If car manufacturers were to focus on the monetary damages to the car instead of the health and safety of the passengers, we'd see injuries skyrocketing (again) and the death toll rising. Instead we see both injuries and deaths falling while number of drivers are rising (this is based on a vague recollection of numbers I read a few years ago).

      Of course, if money is more important to you than your fucking ass living through a wreck, feel free to go pick up an older car that matches your safety requirements. Mind you, that's no guarantee it'll cost less to fix, what with supply and demand and how it'll affect the price of body parts. Best thing to do is to just not get into a wreck in the first place.

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  27. Re:lit lanes ? by Saige · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've seen the flashing crosswalk lights already, and I can say that they're not that bright - not really any brighter than a road reflector, but without having to depend on reflecting light to be seen.

    When there's fog, or heavy rain, or snow, and the painted lines on the road can't be seen, these could REALLY help in driving. Back when I lived in Michigan, I always hated driving at night when it was raining - there were no reflectors on the roads, and it was literally impossible to see where the lanes were. You just had to guess, and it could be unpleasant at times.

    Even if it's raining so hard even your wipers can't keep up, I'd think these things would help let you know where the lanes were so you could have a much easier time getting somewhere safe to stop.

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  28. Runway lights by runlvl0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is for them to flash in sequence, so you see little ribbons of light flowing down the freeway. Trouble is, for it to look interesting, the lights would have to appear to be moving at about three to four times the speed limit. Which would encourage a certain class of Stupid Person to try and keep up with them.

    Actually, that's a very clever thought: if they could be set to sequence at exactly the speed limit, they'd be a great 'heads-up' speed (and speed limit) indicator - "if you're passing the little flashing lights, you're speeding."

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  29. Re:Shades of Orwell by plasm4 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why on earth would you be outside at midnight? Sounds suspicious to me.

  30. Needs more cameras to be legal... by Omega · · Score: 2, Informative
    D) use infrared ranging and embedded cameras to detect and report the license number of anyone speeding on the road;
    In many states, you need to photograph the face of the person driving in addition to the license plate. These little markers would need some sort of WiFi coordination with a camera positioned higher up in order to capture the drivers face.

    My only concern would be with night time. Unless these would only be used on highways with street lights, I can imagine all sorts of safety problems with a firing flash bulb in the face of a speeding driver. Red-light cameras don't have this problem because they're usually positioned in bright light areas and are used in low-speed situations.

  31. The big question is costs.. by Zarquon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Initial costs, reliability, expected lifespans. The conditions are:

    1) Outdoors in extreme temperature ranges,
    2) Very high humidity, and often corrosive atmosphere,
    3) Physically very small,
    4) Reasonably immune to physical damage (salt/sand sludge + snowplows do _nasty_ things to optical windows.)

    Power has to come from batteries at night; what is the battery life under industrial temperatures (-20 to 150F, forex.) Concrete doesn't get quite that hot, but asphault does.

    You can get away with powering LEDs with a supercap and a switcher, should have a better lifespan than a NiCD or SLA, but they're physically larger and not as robust (As well as pricey.) But that won't cut it for cameras or radios. So you have to replace the batteries every few years.

    These are not traditional road studs. 5" wide?? These are huge; the normal installation methods won't work.

    I'd like to see their business case. Almost certainly relies on questionable safety increases or revenue from being a speed trap.

    My state is running a multi-year reliability study on more traditional road studs (including those nifty blue reflectors) on various roads around the area.

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  32. There are some of these on my route to college by spamtastic2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think theyre made by the same company, but the ones on the road from Eckington to Chesterfield in the UK look like ordinary cats eye road studs, but contained within each one is a small rechargable battery, a solar cell, a few LED's, and a microchip pic microcontroller. As you approach them at night, once they detect a small ammount of light from your headlamps, they light up pretty bright, and continue to shine for a few seconds after you have passed. They look pretty spooky when you look in the rear view mirror and see them still flickering away (they don't light up constant but instead flash quite rapidly like the LED puch bike lamps). I believe the ones on the test site on this road were developed by an ex fireman.

    1. Re:There are some of these on my route to college by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Funny

      .. and the flickering gives you a bloody awful headache after a couple of miles.

  33. What would NOT be very cool by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is having all sorts of commercials follwing you around on the road.

    I guess the better option would still be to have the messages sent by wifi to the car's computer and displayed on its screen, so you can read them easily. Reading stuff off the pavement while driving is not exactly convenient.

    Interesting point though. It will probably happen, too (in one form or another), but not very soon.

  34. Re:Shades of Orwell by fiddlesticks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >While I'm willing to applaud better-lit roads, why incorporate speed traps?

    Because driving slower kills fewer pedestrians, and no matter how many times we *ask* drivers to obey the law, they won't. So we have to make them.

    >I mean, I guess it could be argued that if you obey the law you have nothing to fear

    Yes, you could argue that.

  35. Hmm what about road repairs? by funaho · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can imagine this will make road repairs a real joy, because now you have to *carefully* pry out all these electronic studs before you can repave (or even just reseal) the road surface.

  36. Re:Shades of Orwell by kabocox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because driving slower kills fewer pedestrians

    Will these things light the interstate up red if a pedestrain is walking there?

    Those pedestrians shouldn't be walking along the interstate! That is just asking for a Darwin award. I know it would suck if you had a flat or ran out of gas, but really you shouldn't walk on the shoulder of the interstate. You should be off the road entirely if you ever need to walk there.

  37. Enforcing the speed limit... by LesPaul75 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know, there's an ironic thing about the speed limit. I don't think that police really want to strictly enforce it. If they did, what would happen? There would be a tremendous flood of tickets issued at first... There would be serious outcry from the majority of people who feel the limit is too low... They would probably raise it slightly, but not enough to really matter...

    It's just like the weekly poker night that I host. I tell people: "Show up no later than 8:00, or cards will be dealt and your hands will be folded." Now, we don't really enforce that rule, but there has to be some rule in place, just because, otherwise, if I said, "Show up anytime from 7:00 to 9:00," then the first guy would show up at 9:30, and the game would start sometime around midnight.

    There has to be some speed limit, but strict enforcement just isn't good for anyone -- especially the police.

  38. Why not use an RFID tag in the licence plate by willy_me · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you want to identify who's driving where. Ignoring the obvious privacy concerns, it's not that bad an idea. For example, my uncle got hit biking by a hit-and-run. Shattered pelvis - never able to bike again. At least with RFID tags in the license plates that would have been able to track down the truck that hit him.

  39. Score -1: Get a life by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When your father is on his death bed in a hospital 40 miles away and you and your siblings want to get there to see him before he passes, I'm sure you'll want your car to be stuck doing the speedlimit...
    I also didn't buy a car with a 4.6L V8 to be hampered by built-in speed controls. Some people find driving fun you know.

    1. Re:Score -1: Get a life by Feanturi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some people find driving fun you know.

      It is fun, but unfortunately that's one reason we have to have speed limits and rules out the ass. There will always be people who don't know how to control their fun-having properly. That said, I think it is dangerous to have auto-limiting of a vehicle's speed, for various reasons. However, there is a bright spot in this sort of advancement... If the system can become smart enough, and do the actual driving for you, we'd probably be allowed to go much faster anyhow. You want speed thrills, ride a motorcycle then, because I think it would be much more difficult to get an auto-drive to work properly on a bike.

  40. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  41. Better try a pickaxe by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Streetdot epoxy is among the strongest glues I know of for good reason. They are practicaly impossible to remove without removing a large segemnt of asphalt. I've tried collecting street dots, and the only way to do it is with a pickaxe... and you try going in the street with a pickaxe and playing a game of collect the dots.

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  42. Re:With the sensors in them, ... by nizo · · Score: 2, Funny
    Take off those annoying doors. What, you got something to hide?

    Actually doors are kind of nice for other reasons:


    - They keep (most) people out of my house.
    - They hide Old People Sex so I won't go blind while driving down the street (and mask the sound of wrinkly liverspotted skin rubbing on wrinkly liverspotted skin).
    - They provide us exercise by making us get up to let cats/dogs in/out.


    So rather than take off all doors, just plan on having a BigBrotherCam(tm) installed for your protection instead (the 1984 kind not the TV show kind).

  43. Weight by FlyingOrca · · Score: 3, Funny

    Right. Force. Like pounds. ;-)

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  44. They won't come to Minnesota by bhurt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or if they do, they won't last past the first snow. Along comes a snowplow, and *pop* *pop* *pop* there go the reflectors, smart or not, right into the ditch. Along with the odd hunk of concrete that was sticking up, unlucky mailboxes, small cars...

    Nice idea for SoCal, tho.

  45. I'm being repressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am reposting this, within 30 min. of it's previous post by another AC it got modded down. Since it is obviously insightfull and ontopic I can only conclude either massive idiocy on the part of modders or deliberate supression.

    TOP SECRET FACT:Most modern cars have tracking transponders!

    Spy transmission chips embedded in tires that can be read REMOTELY while driving.

    A secret initiative exists to track all funnel-points on interstates and US borders for car tire ID transponders (RFid chips embedded in the tire).

    Yup. My brother works on them.

    Your tires have a passive coil with 64 to 128 bit serial number emitter in them! (AIAG B-11 ADC v3.0) . A particular frequency energizes it enough so that a receiver can read its little ROM. A ROM which in essence is your GUID for your TIRE. Multiple tires do not confuse the readers. Its almost identical to all "FastPass" "SpeedPass" technologies you see on gasoline keychain dongles and commuter windshield sticker-chips. The US gov has secretly started using these chips to track people.

    Its kind of like FBI "Taggants" in fertilizer and "Taggants" in Gasoline and Bullets, and Blackpowder. But these car tire transponder Ids are meant to actively track and trace movement of your car.

    Taggant research papers :
    http://www.wws.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/byteserv.prl/ ~ota/disk3/1980/8017/801705.PDF
    (remove spaces in url from slashcode if needed)

    I am not making this up. Melt down a high end Firestone, or Bridgestone tire and go through the bits near the rim (sometimes at base of tread) and you will locate the transmitter (similar to 'grain of rice' pet ids and Mobile SpeedPass, but not as high tech as the tollbooth based units). Sokymat LOGI 160, and Sokymat LOGI 120 transponder buttons are just SOME of the transponders found in modern high end car tires. The AIAG B-11 Tire tracking standard is now implemented for all 3rd party transponder manufactures [covered below].

    It is for QA and to prevent fraud and "car theft", but the US Customs service uses it in Canada to detect people who swap license plates on cars when doing a transport of contraband on a mule vehicle that normally has not logged enough hours across the border. The customs service and FBI do not yet talk about this, and are starting using it soon.

    Photos of chips before molded into tires:

    http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:TAQIKjBI01g C: www.sokymat.com/sp/applications/tireid.html

    (slashdot ruins links, so you will have to remove the ASCII space it insertess usually into the url above to get to the shocking info and photos on the enbedded LOGI 160 chips that the us gov scans when you cross mexican and canadian borders.)

    You never heard of it either because nobody moderates on slashdot anymore and this is probably +0 still. It has also never appeared in print before and is very secret.

    Californias Fastpass is being upgraded to scan ALL responding car tires in future years upcoming. I-75 may get them next in rural funnel points in Ohio.

    http://www.tadiran-telematics.com/products6.html

    but the fact is... YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A RADIO TRANSPONDER not counting your digital cell phone which is routinely silently pulsed in CA bay area each rush hour morning unless turned off (consult Wired Magazine Expose article). Those data point pulses are used by NSA on occasions.

    The us FBI with NRO/NSA blessings, has requested us gov make this tire scanning information as secret as the information regarding all us inkjet printers sold in usa in the last 3 years using "yellow" GUID barcode under dark ink regions to serialize printouts to thwart counterfeiting of 20 dollar bills. (30 to 40 percent of ALL California counterfeiting is done using cheap Epson inkjet printers, most purchased with credit cards foolishly). Luckily court dockets divulge the existence of the Epson serial numbers on your printouts... but nobody except

  46. Ain't gonna happen by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Interesting

    D) use infrared ranging and embedded cameras to detect and report the license number of anyone speeding on the road;

    States rely too much upon the fines for speeding. They have optimized their income with the current system. If speed detection was made 100% reliable, no one would do it and the states wouldn't make any money off of it.

    This is a part of the reason why interlock devices aren't placed on all cars at the factory. Everyone hates "drunk driving", but they make so much money off of it that they don't want it to completely stop.

    LK

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  47. Another speed/ticket issue by blueZ3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something that's prety much completely overlooked in these discussions of "auto ticketing for over the limit" is that setting one speed limit for all vehicles ignores the differences between vehicles that are based on physics and manufacturing quality.

    In my Z3, I can (safely) take corners at speeds far in excess of the posted "recommended" limits. Indeed, I frequently don't actually need to slow down for the corners. That's because the car's center of gravity is extremely low, the wide tires provide huge contact patches, and the car is almost perfectly balanced (50/50 front/rear). Add to the mix the outstanding OEM suspension, and it is completely safe to take the corner above the recommended speed.

    In my sisters Ford Excursion, however, a speed below the posted recommended limit is necessary to keep the behemoth between the lines. It has a high center of gravity, a terrible contact patch/weight ratio, and bad front/rear balance. Plus, being made by Ford, the suspension feels like a pair of overstretched rubber bands. The posted recommended limit is too high for that thing.

    Impossible, but I'd like to see speed limits take into account the physics that control how safe a vehicle is at speed. Much more frightening to me than a sports car travelling at 100 mph (not me :-> ) is the overloaded minivan going 85.

    That'll probably arrive right after the IQ requirement for driver's licenses.

    Dan D

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  48. Release 2.0 . . . by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 4, Funny
    . . . will actually disable speeding cars. There are several rumors about how this mechanism will actually work, but most focus on some sort of "switchblade" effect--sort of like a dehydrated version of the "danger severe tire damage" things you see at the car rental place. When a speeding vehicle is detected, the bump will hike itself onto its little retractable legs, erect its razor-like crest, and scuttle into the path of the oncoming scofflaw.

    Since they can also form packs, they can turn into a revenue center for municipalities either by extorting money from homeless people in the neighborhood or by breaking them up for parts.

    Version 2.5 will include the ability to self-assemble, leading the end of life as we know it. Personally, I salute our new artifically-intelligent speed bump overlords!

  49. Great for computer controlled driving by efficacymanUM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This would help to solve one of the problems with an auto driving car, as witnessed in the DARPA grand challenge: vision. If the roads were implanted with these with an rfid tag (uniquely identified for each road/lane) it would be easy to reckon your absolute position relative to the road and detect things like an upcoming dip in the road, etc. making it much easier to drive a car autonomously. Cruise control that adjusts speed according to the traffic ahead of you is already present. The only issue is what would happen in fail safe mode where there were markers missing or burnt out/ slashdotter vandalized.

  50. Re:We've got them in scotland by FlyingOrca · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not so much the ploughs I'm worried about, it's the fact that our roads are covered with snow and ice before and after ploughing - i.e., for most of the winter. Anything embedded would disappear exactly when most needed - low visibility due to snow & night, snow covering existing lane markers.

    Seriously, it's a problem. We just had the Trans-Canada Highway closed for a couple of days due to heavy snow. Increased lane visibility would eliminate one part of the problem. Cheers!

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  51. Already got them by David+Horn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We've already got these in the UK - some roads have cat's eyes with LEDs in them and they're great. It makes driving so much easier.

    However, they do have the side effect of making drivers go "Ooh! Glowy cat's eyes!" and switch off their headlights to see them better... hence, they're statistically rather dangerous!

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  52. Incorrect Assumptions by blunte · · Score: 3, Informative

    From my years of driving in 2M+ person cities, I've had time to observe what slows down traffic flow.

    Three things: braking (slow spots), inattention/under-limit driving, and fear.

    - Slow Spots

    What slows down traffic flow most is people braking when they don't need to, or braking more than they need to. The problem is that in congested traffic, once one car slows in one lane, a wedge of cars behind him slows, and behind them everyone slows.

    Then when that one driver speeds up (and it takes much longer to speed up than slow down), the next cars THEN speed up. They don't speed up exactly when the lead driver does because it takes them time to see the change. This carries on behind them.

    This creates a slow spot on the freeway. Once a slow spot is created, it only goes away once a gap backwards in traffic is large enough to allow the slowed vehicles to speed up to normal speed before the gap is completely closed by the approaching traffic.

    - Under-limit Driving

    This is obvious. Left or center lane driver drops below speed limit, cars behind have to slow (often they use their brake instead of coasting down), and you're in the situation above (slow spot).

    - Fear

    Car needs in another lane. Most drivers, if there is room ahead of the vehicle beside them, will still brake and try to fall in behind the neighboring vehicle. The following vehicles in that lane may not be friendly, and may not allow that. So fearful driver brakes even more, hoping to eventually get over. I've even seen some fools come to a complete stop in the middle of the freeway so they can hopefully work across 3 lanes to exit. They should have either sped up and pulled in front, or if that took too long, gradually worked their way over, missed their exit, and looped back.

    These things don't mean you should never brake, or that you should always drive aggressively, but some middle ground approach would surely improve things. The time cost for a full traffic jam is enormous. 5 minutes times 200,000 vehicles is 11 days of time. In a perverse way that's a really significant amount of power that one driver can exercise. Create a good traffic jam and you've just wasted 11 days of your town's time.

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  53. F) by Jo3sh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They could also be RADAR transcievers for automatic navigation systems in cars and trucks.

    The vehicle could send a ping which includes information about its destination or path, and the marker could send back a ping which contains information about upcoming hazards, speed limit changes, construction zones, road conditions, etc.

    Thus the road edges and distinctions between lanes can be discerned by the nav system by simple ranging, and additional info can be trasmitted by the road itself to the cars using it.

  54. Re:Not Without Benefits by jburroug · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Speaking for myself I'd that the reason why so many slashdotters are wary of such technologies is because we know technology well enough to know that it's not a panacea to all (or really any) social problems and we understand the potential for abuse that comes with any complex, secretive technology controlled by a group or agency that operate de facto without public oversight/control. We're also, as a group, less prone to take sweeping promises about what a new technology can and will do for us at face value mostly because we've heard so many that proved to be damn lies when the dust settled: "Face recognition cameras will only spot terrorists!"; "The new bomb scanners will make air travel safer and more convientent, and no false positives!"; "Peoplesoft is an easy to use and cost effective solution to your HR needs"; "The speed sensors are for your own protection citizen" etc...

    Also, speficically regard objections to automated traffic enforcement scams such as this a lot of object because we know that the stated objective, "increased safety", and promised benefits, "lower insurance rates" are total bullshit. If increased road safety were the goal then stealth enforcement wouldn't be seen as a benefit, bright red flags and flashing lights would mark the intersections dangergous enough to warrant traffic spy-cams and people would slow down, thus saving lives. That and having traffic engineers set the speed limit to a speed that the road can safely handle, or better yet pump the money being tossed into spy-cams into smart roads with adaptive speed limits. So yeah I'm afriad of any revenue generating, control increasing technology marketed as a safety device.

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  55. Frist Post? by Aexia · · Score: 2, Funny

    What if Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist does a guest column on Slashdot?

  56. insurance is like gambling in reverse by nounderscores · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The company bets that you are young and strong and that nothing is ever going to happen to you.

    You bet you are going to die tomorrow, and that your babies need some dollars quick.

    Once you pass a certain amount of time with the insurance company without anything bad happening to you, they start winning.

    Solution:
    1) take out insurance
    2) OW OW OW OW!
    3) profit!

  57. solved by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Catseye reflecting studs already line thousands of miles of highways, without such prohibitive problems.

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  58. Re:In my town by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've noticed new markers being installed on the highways. The markers in the opposite lane illuminate red, your lane is white, and the sides are yellow. I noticed the ones in the opposite direction aren't always visible though. any idea if this is related?

    Almost completely unrelated.

    Markers are setup to show white on one side and red on the other, so if you're going the opposite direction down the lane you should see red all over, and if you're going the right direction you see white. The sides are yellow on both sides, but there's something about the yellow markers that's supposed to distinguish no-passing zones from passing zones, I just don't remember it right off hand. The reflectors are specially designed to only light up when hit from certain angles, generally. When you see the markers in the opposite lanes, it's usually due to ambiant lighting, not actual reflection. If you go over to the opposite lane, I just about guarantee you'll see the reflectors all light up, RED. Try it sometime on a very very low traffic road. (I discovered the red part of the reflectors in Waco once, accidentally turned down a one-way. Scary)

    Blue markers indicate fire hydrants, and there's some other colors for other things, I think. Someone will probably google up a site with more information than I've given. ;)

    Oh yeah, in express lanes that have to go both directions, the markers are white on both sides, obviously.

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