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First-Ever Private Spaceport Nears Final Approval
bobhagopian writes "According to the article on Space.com, the Federal Aviation Administration is nearing the final stages of certifying the Mojave Airport as the first-ever private spaceport. Both Scaled Composites and XCOR Aerospace (the two leading competitors in the X-Prize competition) currently fly out of Mojave Airport. The approval of a commercial spaceport will certainly facilitate the creation of even more private-sector space technologies."
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There will finally be a place for *visitors* to land
and visit!
Does this mean that ET will not need government approval to set down at this space port?
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That they'll change all the signs to the Mojave Airport to the Mojave Spaceport? That would be really cool and I bet those signs 'll disappear every week or so:)
is mojave a proper locale for a wretched hive of scum and villainy?
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But when the aliens land there, how will Homeland Security be able to verify the required government issued ID?
Probably not a real issue; once aliens sample what passes for food in an Earth airport, err, I mean SPACEport the word will travel quickly and they will all stop coming.
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Ahh, but once they do make it into space, they won't have to change all the signs/business cards/etc. Saves time and money!
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...are the actual space ships. I'm definitely looking forward to many of the X-Prize contenders, but so far they're only building simple rockets to go up and down. It's a great in-between stage, but I'm looking forward to the day when orbital rockets will be built.
The one caveat to that is that a manned orbital rocket would probably be launched from the ocean rather than land. The reason for that is that water makes a plentiful rocket fuel. Tote along a reactor (nuclear is preferable, but diesel will do), convert sea water to LHOx, and launch your rocket. (This was the premise behind the Sea Dragon craft.) While a nuclear generator would probably be out of the range of a private company, using a diesel and/or solar reactor to make the fuel could cut the costs of the launch considerably.
Oh, and it's environmentally friendly.
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That is a neat thing, to have an actual "official" spaceport, but it will be even more exciting when the FAA designates a "public" spaceport! But I am looking forward to spacecraft with "RyanAir" markings setting down at our local municipal air... ahem SPACEport!
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The Mojave Airport is a really cool place... you drive by it and there's nothing but random planes, everything from jetliners to fighter jets. They're mostly an aircraft storage yard. Picture of their storage yard Link to their main site
Was there any real reason for non-explorers to visit North America back in the 1400-1500s?
I mean, aside from the wow-factor of, "I've been to the New World!", there wasn't really a reason for the average civilian to go. It's not like they're going to visit relatives or anything.
So does this mean that they'll change all the signs to the Mojave Airport to the Mojave Spaceport? That would be really cool and I bet those signs 'll disappear every week or so:)
Modes proposal for keeping the signs up:
Make up extras. Sell them at the spaceport office (profits to help fund the spaceport or space exploration in general).
Print notice on the back of the ones on the road that reasonably-priced souvenirs are available at the office or by mail-order at (x) for ($y) and how big the fine is for stealing THIS one. B-)
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But seriously, there's plenty to do, assuming that you've got a cheap way to get stuff up there. Part of the reason why com sats, mapping sats, etc. are so expensive is because they need to be incredibly lightweight to economize on launch costs. Remember, a cellular phone satelite doesn't have people complaining about it being in their back yard.
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Think of it as a sign of confidence and commitment. It means even the government is beginning to realize that the private sector has a better chance of making space exploration a going concern. Sort of an approving nod. Official recognition is usually a good thing. With all the red tape involved, making the efort main stream is absolutely necessary. This is a start.
Tourists will do all kinds of things. Favorite activities will be looking out of the window, all kinds of strange zero gravity sports, and of course zero-gravity sex.
And who says that civilians can not do science in space? There is a lot of science that has not yet been done by NASA, so you can expect many of the initial customers to be from universities and private research labs.
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I don't think civilians will go to space merely for the wow factor. I mean, space tourism will have a small niche, but I don't see it getting big just yet. However, getting civilian companies into the business of launching satellites, hiring private astronauts, and other such things seems (to me, anyway) the future of the business. We need to stop relying on NASA and the Europeans to launch our satellites. We all know that governments are ridiculously bad at spending more than need be. Civilians companies are much, much better at it (though not perfect). And that's the whole idea, right? To lower the cost of getting into space? NASA and government-backed space agencies don't have the same impetus to lower costs and raise productivity.
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What about the Green River Intergalactic Spaceport in Wyoming?
Maybe YOU don't have relatives on Mars...
Why do people go to Florida in the summer? It's hot, humid and full of bugs. Yet, people from around the world go to Disney just because they've never been there. I think the X-prize winners will find enough people to make a buck.
That's a good location:
- Just over 1/2 mile up.
- Latitude 38 (not ideal but still good)
- Handy highways.
- Town and roads to the West, lots of nice empty desert to ditch in to the east (which is the direction you're headed if you want the earth's help getting to orbit).
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Sure.. even if they weren't "explorers", i'm sure many of the people who came over here were after other things, like potantially acquiring vast ammounts of wealth, or possibly just to escape from their otherwise oppressive homeland.
Just two reasons off the top of my head.. im sure you can think of others if you really try.
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A fair majority of scientists and researchers are civilians. I'm sure they'd be lining up to get out of the atmosphere and run their experiments. Plus, privatizing space travel keeps it from becoming a government "monopoly". In other words, if we don't think the government is making effective use of its space travel ability, then (with enough funding) we can do it ourselves.
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The reason there was a mass influx unto the New World is because there was money in it. And that is the same way you'll see an influx into space from the private sector : once there is money in it. And yes, I know 15 quadrrillion dollars worth of minerals on each asteroid, the moon is a giant lump of He-3, and we can beam down solar energy from microwave stations.
Make the harvesting of asteroids feasible and profitable. Find a present-day use for He-3, and then find a way to collect it that is feasible and profitable. Make the microwave-beaming-thing feasible and profitable, too. Then you will see people enter space.
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White Knight, the carrier is N318SL.
SS1, the spacecraft is N328KF.
Note below that SS1 is a model 316 and WK is model 318.
(previously discussed, there is no model 317)
[begin FAA registry querry results]
N318SL is Assigned
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 001 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name SCALED COMPOSITES LLC Certificate Issue Date 07/05/2002
Model 318 Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-Jet
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50663044
MFR Year 2002 Fractional Owner NO
Registered Owner
Name SCALED COMPOSITES LLC
Street 1624 FLIGHT LINE
City MOJAVE State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 93501-1663
County KERN
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer AMA/EXPR Classification Experimental
Engine Model UNKNOWN ENG Category Research and Development
A/W Date 07/01/2003
Other Owner Names
None
Temporary Certificate
Certificate Number T024366 Issue Date 07/05/2002 Expiration Date 08/04/2002
Fuel Modifications
None
N328KF is Assigned
Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 001 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name SCALED COMPOSITES LLC Certificate Issue Date 03/20/2003
Model 316 Status Valid
Type Aircraft Glider Type Engine None
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50706357
MFR Year 2003 Fractional Owner NO
Registered Owner
Name SCALED COMPOSITES LLC
Street 1624 FLIGHTLINE HANGAR 78
City MOJAVE State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 93501
County KERN
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer NONE Classification Experimental
Engine Model NONE Category Research and Development
A/W Date 12/09/2003
Other Owner Names
None
Temporary Certificate
None
Fuel Modifications
None
It remains to be seen whether Mojave will in fact get approved. Either way, Southwest Regional Spaceport near Las Cruces NM had already been announced by Ansari/X-Prize, as the spaceport site chosen for at least an annual X-Prize event, and expecting the X-Prize contenders who (win or lose) continue on and offer services to the public. Plus, according to the articles which may or may not be accurate, Mojave is being considered for horizontal launched craft. SRS is not being restricted to horizontal launch. My money says SRS will become a regular gathering place for the next step in rocketry, those growing out of amateur/hobbyist rocketry ($100 gets you a model that goes Mach 1 and a mile up) and those following hot on the jets of Ky "Rocketman" Michaelson and CSXT's recent first private rocket into space.
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So...what are the civilians going to DO in space?
Good question. I'll let you know in 20 years.
50 years ago, you might well have asked why someone would want a computer in their home. I doubt anyone could have given you a particularly good answer to that one at the time. So, I think the answer is that we don't know. Hopefully something fantastic. Of course, it also quite possible that the whole thing becomes a huge waste white elephant.
Err, there's already one out there in Oklahoma, called, funnily enough;
SpacePort, Oklahoma.
Google it up, there's alot of good info about it, and makes a pretty good site too. Just enough out the way.
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... a mission to Mars could be bit pricy for a car owner.
According to Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, we can launch hyrdoponics labs that will feed the nation, energy collecting solar satellites, and a missile defense system.
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Or the ever popular "If I was still in the old-land I would have been put in jail/put to death" argument. A number of people came here to avoid prosecution.
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I think we can all agree that privatization is key for /affordable/ civilian spaceflight. However, I sincerely hope that those pursuing privately pursuing spaceflight settle for heavily regulated and subsidized government regulation (control) of "private spaceflight". /We/ will never reach maturity in spaceflight as long as government is involved. Government just waists too much money and is too sluggish and inefficient. Any sort of [government] planning of capital and resources going into private/civilian spaceflight will have a negative effect.
If government and NASA would stop with the Mars nonsense and the Impending Asteroid Impact bullcrap and completely privatize space, we'd be much further along --- technologically and financially.
Speckpot?
Both Scaled Composites and XCOR Aerospace (the two leading competitors in the X-Prize competition) currently fly out of Mojave Airport.
Scaled Composites is taking part in the X-Prize competition, but XCOR is not. They are developing their products to break into a market of suborbital payloads and microsatellites, as well as the passenger market (they are currently under contract with Space Adventures to provide the space travel experience to "adventure travelers" for $98,000 when the technology is ready). You can read more about their goals on their website.
The X-Prize website hosts a list of the teams competing for the X-Prize.
I kinda wanted to mod you down, but since you asked nicely, I'll just reply. Scaled Composites (Burt Rutan's company) seems to believe in it enough to invest a lot into creating a sub-orbial spacecraft. In case you don't know: Scaled Composites is the company most likely to win the X Prize, and I think they've invested a lot more than the $10m prize money. Some of the other X Prize contenders seem to have the same faith in a profitable market.
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I would hope that it would take on more the flavor of the old time passenger cruise lines of the late 19th & early 20th Centuries. Still, once space travel starts to really emerge, it is going to be a very capital intensive business. Almost all of the capital that Wall Street & other exchanges can dig up is going to help fuel this next economic expansion.
I predict that over the next 15-25 years you will see Wall Street (especially once the X-Prize has been won) get into space in a major way. You will see the whole dot Bomb thing happen all over again, unfortunately, with fly-by-night companies that do little but promise the Moon (this time in a more litteral fashion). Some companies are going to emerge and become very successful, but many others are going to take a whole lot of money from people and throw it down the drain.
If the X-Prize team list is an indication with over 26 different teams listed, once it has been proven to be a practical business you will see many others jump into the business. Companies like Boeing, Airbus, and Thiokol (all companies you seemed to miss) are more than likely going to come in and join the party as well. They all have some sort of rocketry/avaition experience, deep pockets, and an aire of respectability when they start producing spacecraft.
In this regard it would be more like the P.C. industry, where it started in a bunch of garages and small industrial parks, where several millionaires arose from relatively modest beginnings. In this case we have a few "modest" millionaires who are perhaps going to turn this into billions.
- Water has a higher drag than rubber-on-concrete, so you need more power to get up to speed to lift off, which lowers your max gross takeoff weight.
- Floats are generally bulky and cannot be retraced, so they cut into your fuel efficency in the air. The floats themselves are also heavier than the wheels they replace (and sometimes incorperate wheels), which lowers the amount of cargo you can carry
- Water can turn choppy at a moments notice, and choppy water is treacherous to land in.
- Land next to water is expensive, and your airport consists of more than runways. Your terminal, fuel shed, and hangers will be on expensive waterfront property
This only touched on a few points, but it should be obvious why most airports are not on the water. For small "puddle jumpers" seaplanes are the perfect solution, but for generalized travel they just aren't economical.I read the internet for the articles.
being in a backwards hicktown that is probably 40 or 50 years behind the rest of the world, I still get asked why on earth I need a computer for, and what possible use anyone could have for a computer in their home. The internet, and by extention computers, to most of the world, is just a place with a bunch of bad people, pornography(what is pornography? information that they don't agree with?), pedophiles(ie anyone in any chat rooms) and really nothing more interesting than television on it(if porn isn't your thing).
On a related note, there are still people here that honestly beleive the earth revolves around the sun, and not the other way around...and not whacko's either, just average, run-of-the mill people who are trying to make it through this life. Before space exploration becomes something the common person can get involved in, we need to get the common person able to read, write, and understand that they live on a planet that can be left in persuit of other planets. Before that happens I don't see very impressive progress.
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