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First-Ever Private Spaceport Nears Final Approval

bobhagopian writes "According to the article on Space.com, the Federal Aviation Administration is nearing the final stages of certifying the Mojave Airport as the first-ever private spaceport. Both Scaled Composites and XCOR Aerospace (the two leading competitors in the X-Prize competition) currently fly out of Mojave Airport. The approval of a commercial spaceport will certainly facilitate the creation of even more private-sector space technologies."

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  1. But before launch... by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Make sure you deactivate the Excelsior's Trans-Warp Drive.

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  2. Now by supe · · Score: 5, Funny

    There will finally be a place for *visitors* to land
    and visit!

    1. Re:Now by cebarro · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just what we need. Said visitors land, disembark, and are immediately hit with advertising and ushered into a starbucks....

  3. So does this mean... by macshune · · Score: 5, Funny

    That they'll change all the signs to the Mojave Airport to the Mojave Spaceport? That would be really cool and I bet those signs 'll disappear every week or so:)

    1. Re:So does this mean... by stuktongue · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Mojave Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive...." :-)

    2. Re:So does this mean... by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cause, "Jezus it's fucking hot on this tarmac" wouldn't fit on a sign.

      Jaysyn

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    3. Re:So does this mean... by tubbtubb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Will Han shoot first in this one?

  4. location location location by proj_2501 · · Score: 5, Funny

    is mojave a proper locale for a wretched hive of scum and villainy?

    1. Re:location location location by OldManAndTheC++ · · Score: 5, Funny
      is mojave a proper locale for a wretched hive of scum and villainy?

      You must be thinking of Bakersfield ...

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  5. $Bling$Bling$? by neuro.slug · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great... now rappers won't be content with having their own armada of Escalades... the only question is: How does one attach 24s to a shuttle?

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  6. Government Issued ID? by kmankmankman2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    But when the aliens land there, how will Homeland Security be able to verify the required government issued ID?

    Probably not a real issue; once aliens sample what passes for food in an Earth airport, err, I mean SPACEport the word will travel quickly and they will all stop coming.

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  7. Now all we need... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...are the actual space ships. I'm definitely looking forward to many of the X-Prize contenders, but so far they're only building simple rockets to go up and down. It's a great in-between stage, but I'm looking forward to the day when orbital rockets will be built.

    The one caveat to that is that a manned orbital rocket would probably be launched from the ocean rather than land. The reason for that is that water makes a plentiful rocket fuel. Tote along a reactor (nuclear is preferable, but diesel will do), convert sea water to LHOx, and launch your rocket. (This was the premise behind the Sea Dragon craft.) While a nuclear generator would probably be out of the range of a private company, using a diesel and/or solar reactor to make the fuel could cut the costs of the launch considerably.

    Oh, and it's environmentally friendly.

    1. Re:Now all we need... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Usually you're talking only a few miles off shore. That way, the rocket can launch toward the rest of the ocean (making for plentiful abort options) and any rockets that are destroyed don't land on people's heads. That's pretty much the same reason why NASA launches from Florida. Although I've never quite understood why they don't manufacture fuel on site. Probably has something to do with special additives and/or purity levels that improve the fuel combustion. A private venture might be slightly less concerned with the same levels of fuel efficiency.

  8. Re:Alien Landing Authority by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, but it's commercial so he will have to find some way to pay. Maybe he can bring along some three-breasted aliens like the one from Total Recall...

  9. Really Cool Place by kavachameleon · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Mojave Airport is a really cool place... you drive by it and there's nothing but random planes, everything from jetliners to fighter jets. They're mostly an aircraft storage yard. Picture of their storage yard Link to their main site

  10. Re:What are they going to do? by Chairboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Was there any real reason for non-explorers to visit North America back in the 1400-1500s?

    I mean, aside from the wow-factor of, "I've been to the New World!", there wasn't really a reason for the average civilian to go. It's not like they're going to visit relatives or anything.

  11. New Sig, anyone by SoSueMe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Space is big. Space is dark. Now we have a place to park

  12. Re:There's just one small problem by cemaco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think of it as a sign of confidence and commitment. It means even the government is beginning to realize that the private sector has a better chance of making space exploration a going concern. Sort of an approving nod. Official recognition is usually a good thing. With all the red tape involved, making the efort main stream is absolutely necessary. This is a start.

  13. Re:What are they going to do? by mrright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tourists will do all kinds of things. Favorite activities will be looking out of the window, all kinds of strange zero gravity sports, and of course zero-gravity sex.

    And who says that civilians can not do science in space? There is a lot of science that has not yet been done by NASA, so you can expect many of the initial customers to be from universities and private research labs.

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  14. Re:What are they going to do? by dustinbarbour · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think civilians will go to space merely for the wow factor. I mean, space tourism will have a small niche, but I don't see it getting big just yet. However, getting civilian companies into the business of launching satellites, hiring private astronauts, and other such things seems (to me, anyway) the future of the business. We need to stop relying on NASA and the Europeans to launch our satellites. We all know that governments are ridiculously bad at spending more than need be. Civilians companies are much, much better at it (though not perfect). And that's the whole idea, right? To lower the cost of getting into space? NASA and government-backed space agencies don't have the same impetus to lower costs and raise productivity.

  15. There's already a spaceport by xil · · Score: 5, Informative

    What about the Green River Intergalactic Spaceport in Wyoming?

  16. Good location. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's a good location:

    - Just over 1/2 mile up.
    - Latitude 38 (not ideal but still good)
    - Handy highways.
    - Town and roads to the West, lots of nice empty desert to ditch in to the east (which is the direction you're headed if you want the earth's help getting to orbit).

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  17. Re:What are they going to do? by Sgt+York · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They were going for fame & fortune. OK, so fame is "I've been to the New World!", but there was the crucial "fortune" aspect as well. They were after gold, or land, or trade, or some other natural resource. People went because they wanted more than what they had; they wanted land, or wealth, or freedom. Besides, most people who went to the New World stayed there. Kinda loses the coolness factor when everyone you know did the same thing.

    The reason there was a mass influx unto the New World is because there was money in it. And that is the same way you'll see an influx into space from the private sector : once there is money in it. And yes, I know 15 quadrrillion dollars worth of minerals on each asteroid, the moon is a giant lump of He-3, and we can beam down solar energy from microwave stations.

    Make the harvesting of asteroids feasible and profitable. Find a present-day use for He-3, and then find a way to collect it that is feasible and profitable. Make the microwave-beaming-thing feasible and profitable, too. Then you will see people enter space.

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  18. Not the First by DynaSoar · · Score: 5, Informative

    It remains to be seen whether Mojave will in fact get approved. Either way, Southwest Regional Spaceport near Las Cruces NM had already been announced by Ansari/X-Prize, as the spaceport site chosen for at least an annual X-Prize event, and expecting the X-Prize contenders who (win or lose) continue on and offer services to the public. Plus, according to the articles which may or may not be accurate, Mojave is being considered for horizontal launched craft. SRS is not being restricted to horizontal launch. My money says SRS will become a regular gathering place for the next step in rocketry, those growing out of amateur/hobbyist rocketry ($100 gets you a model that goes Mach 1 and a mile up) and those following hot on the jets of Ky "Rocketman" Michaelson and CSXT's recent first private rocket into space.

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  19. Re:How to keep the signs up. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Print notice on the back of the ones on the road that reasonably-priced souvenirs are available at the office or by mail-order at (x) for ($y)"

    What a great idea, people would never take something for free when they can just buy it someplace else!

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  20. Re:What are they going to do? by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So...what are the civilians going to DO in space?

    Good question. I'll let you know in 20 years.

    50 years ago, you might well have asked why someone would want a computer in their home. I doubt anyone could have given you a particularly good answer to that one at the time. So, I think the answer is that we don't know. Hopefully something fantastic. Of course, it also quite possible that the whole thing becomes a huge waste white elephant.

  21. Spaceport, Oklahoma by MrDoh! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Err, there's already one out there in Oklahoma, called, funnily enough;

    SpacePort, Oklahoma.

    Google it up, there's alot of good info about it, and makes a pretty good site too. Just enough out the way.

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  22. Are there discount rates for long-term parking?... by Sir-Techlot · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... a mission to Mars could be bit pricy for a car owner.

  23. Re:How to keep the signs up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's why iTunes works so well!

  24. A few corrections by jfoust · · Score: 5, Informative
    • The original poster called this the "first-ever private spaceport", but it's not clear this is true, depending on one's definition of private. It is certainly not the first commercial spaceport: FAA/AST has issued commercial spaceport licenses for years to facilities in Alaska (Kodiak), California (Vandenberg), Florida (Cape Canaveral), and Virginia (Wallops). Mojave, though, would be the first commercial inland licensed spaceport.

    • XCOR Aerospace is not a competitor for the Ansari X Prize.

    • Technically, Scaled does not need a spaceport license to perform its flights from Mojave. (Recall that Scaled already has a launch license from AST.) As far as the FAA is concerned, SpaceShipOne's launch "site" is the White Knight carrier aircraft, which takes off from Mojave under an experimental airworthiness certificate, as I recall. Thus Scaled does not need to wait for Mojave Airport to get a spaceport license.

  25. That hardly qualifies as an airport. by douglips · · Score: 4, Funny
    The description reads like Jeff Foxworthy: "You might be a redneck if your airport has..."

    Surface: dirt, in poor condition
    ROUGH; DEBRIS FULL LENGTH OF RY; BROKEN BOTTLES & FIREWORKS DEBRIS.
    Runway edge markings: /22 MARKED WITH +10 FT STEEP DROP OFF SIGNS AT BOTH ENDS.
    • RY SOFT WHEN WET. DEEP RUTS & TALL GRASS FULL LENGTH OF RY.
    • ARPT ON TOP OF MOUNTAIN; LAND DESCENDS VERY STEEPLY FROM RWY ENDS.
    • NO LINE OF SIGHT BTN RWY ENDS.
    • NO SNOW REMOVAL AVAILABLE.
    • CAUTION RADIO CTLD MODEL ACFT OPERATION N SIDE OF RWY.
  26. XCOR not participating in X-Prize by JCallery · · Score: 5, Informative

    Both Scaled Composites and XCOR Aerospace (the two leading competitors in the X-Prize competition) currently fly out of Mojave Airport.

    Scaled Composites is taking part in the X-Prize competition, but XCOR is not. They are developing their products to break into a market of suborbital payloads and microsatellites, as well as the passenger market (they are currently under contract with Space Adventures to provide the space travel experience to "adventure travelers" for $98,000 when the technology is ready). You can read more about their goals on their website.

    The X-Prize website hosts a list of the teams competing for the X-Prize.

  27. Re:Considering that the large number of ... by the+gnat · · Score: 4, Funny

    And a close Sarlac pit.

    Those of us in northern California have also been known to refer to it as "Los Angeles".