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China Developing own Standards
J ROC writes "Encouraged by their government Chinese electronics firms are shunning technological protocols invented abroad and developing their own, according to this article. The Chinese have developed several standards including EVD to replace DVD standards, and TD-SCDMA to replace the CDMA cell phone standard found elsewhere. The reasons seem to be partly based on "techno-nationalism", and Chinese firms growing tired of paying foreign patent fees. While this may force foreign firms to lower their patent fees, some experts warn that China risks isolating itself if it creates standards that are incompatible with the rest of the world."
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"While this may force foreign firms to lower their patent fees, some experts warn that China risks isolating itself if it creates standards that are incompatible with the rest of the world."
Well. They sure can. China is a large economy, with the potential to be much bigger than the US or Europes.
The development in China and India is very fast and the "western" world really need to change their attitude towars China and India or we will be the one falling behind. Remember they have together more than 2 billion people. India is the worlds largest democracy too.
nitpick: GSM is TDMA... its TDMA vs CDMA.
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CDMA is the better technology, and korea uses it extensively as well. TDMA carriers ran into a lot of bandwidth problems recently. I recommend you read "Telecosm" by George Gilder.
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Ever since Mao consoldited his power, China has been ruled as a communist state by a Communist Party.
"And for your information no other country in modern history has either"
There have been dozens of communist nations, and there are a few left now.
" Just because they call themselves communist doesn't mean they are"
You are like the Baptist extremist who says that Catholics are not Christian.
Wonder how this will effect all the rampant pirating of our wares?
I'm sure it won't affect it at all, although it will probably affect the manufacture of devices it's played on.
For instance, right now you can buy a DVD player in the USA for $40, if not less, because the components to make one are so widely standardized they can be bought at rock-bottom prices.
If China enforces a new format to replace DVDs, they'll have to require manufacturers to build new devices to play the new format -- which won't be as cheap and won't sell as well, if at all.
It'll be little problem for pirate movie sellers to convert overseas movies to the new format, but it'll be harder for manufacturers to get people to buy the new players unless China goes door-to-door to retake people's region-free players.
If anything, widespread piracy will defeat China's effort to impose new standards, because the government won't be able to stop pirates from selling standard DVDs.
I dissagree that they will isolate themselves from the world. More likely the rest of the world will have to adopt their standards and learn to interact. They have 25% of the world population and growing rapidly. It is a very western view to look at it the other way.
Just as an example, EVD has been something of a flop.
The Chinese didn't actually invent most of the technology in EVD; they seem to have just taken the existing DVD medium and licensed On2's VP6 video codec (On2 is US-based). They've shipped so little actual EVD units that On2 is suing the Chinese companies involved for not fulfilling their minimum units obligations. As a bit of anecdotal evidence, my Chinese friend claims that he can't even find EVDs any more (there were more several months ago).
TD-SCDMA was also developed in large part by outsiders (Siemen's IIRC), and hasn't completely taken off, though this may change if/when the government decides to require operators to use it. Point is, I believe many of these new "Chinese standards" are really just a way to encourage real competition in the new Chinese economy, and it's actually working extremely well. EVD, for example, might actually be a really great way to stop the HD-DVD mafia from imposing discriminatory patent fees against Chinese electronics manufacturers.
Does it? China has a lot of people, but how many people in the dirt poor mainland will be buying all this technology? It is the size of the market that matters, not the size of the country.
Okay I checked the numbers and it appears that only 15% of chinese fall into what we would consider middle class, but this is still 110 million people. In the US 60% of the population is concidered middle class which comes out to about 170 million. So it appears that China is significantly large enough to dictate thier own standards.
Actually judo is very much Japanese, and means passive way. (or letting your opponent beat himself. It was adapted from jujitsu (another Japanese martial art)
Remember, kung fu != karate, just like chinese != japanese.
It's been a few years since I was into Wireless Telecom standards (so someone correct me if I am wrong).
GSM uses TDMA signaling.
IS-54 (NA TDMA) uses TDMA signaling.
IS-54 and its like was used in much of the Americas (both North and South) and about 1/3 of Asia.
GSM is used in Europe, Africa, and 2/3 of Asia.
One of the main reason US used IS-54 over GSM is GSM (ETSI) standards are very, very slow in developement. US had TDMA networks up and running many years before Europe has its first GSM network.
The same thing is happening with CDMA. Qualcom (Sprint I think) had the first CDMA network running. Many years later ETSI (GSM 3G) started to use CDMA in its new standards.
US standards are fast and erratic.
European standards are slow and organized.
You pick which is better. (they both have there advantages).
China was given open access to the WTO by President Clinton who called them a "strategic ally".
You mispelled "Nixon".
And if Clinton made such and awful mistake - why has not Bush undone it? He's had 3+ years. Apparently Bush agrees. Bush Sr. certainly agreed with Clinton's China policy. He set the groundwork.
Or are you one of those neocons who believes Clinton sold missile technology to the Chinese. BUZZZ! wrong. Clinton's State Department fined the contractor 13 million dollars (plus other concessions) for violating the rules. Try again.
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China is actually a coal-fueled country, to a much greater degree than the US. Fortunately for them, they happen to have the largest coal reserves in the world. (Unfortunately for them, the coal they have is really dirty, and pollution is the biggest constraint on growth they face.)
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Kung Fu is another Chinese term for martial art, not a style. Jujitsu and Judo are forms of Kung Fu. Karate is actually a derivation of a few styles from China. read it up. Also Chinese != Japanese in recent years, but the ancient Japanese and Chinese have many similarities (especially comparing to the Tong Dynasty) due to direct copying on the Japanese part.
The recount had already happened. Twice. The redundant recount he stopped? For one thing, it was illegal under Florida law.
This is factually incorrect. In fact total manual recounts were mandated by Florida law when election results reached a threshold margin of error. That recount was never completed due to Bush V. Gore.
For another, it was an attempt by Gore to "roll the dice" again and again in a close election in order to try to have it come out his way.
Gore made a tactical mistake. He should have requested a manual recount of all the precincts, which would have met both the Florida recount statute and nullified an Equal Protection argument. However, (if you believe Gore's people) Gore wanted to finish the recount before the electoral college met to cast their votes, so he "conceded" the total recount and selected certain precincts he thought would best serve his case. According to the manual recount done by a consortium of newspapers after Bush's inauguration, Bush would have certainly lost a total recount of the entire state. However, he may have won had the state only recounted the specific precincts Gore requested, depending on which counting methodology was used (specific to rules for overvotes and undervotes). Another point to make is that manual recounts are by far the most accurate method of counting votes, regardless of GOP assertions to the contrary. In fact, Bush signed into Texas law a statute demanding manual recounts long before the Florida election. And Florida had done numerous manual recounts prior to the 2000 election going back for several decades.
And let's not discuss the numerous examples of election gaming and disenfranchisement by manipulating the Florida Felon list to the tune of over a hundred thousand innocent (mostly black) people. Or that almost all ballots tossed were primarily in black counties. Or that the Secretary of State (Kathryn Harris) was both the election supervisor for the state and the head of the Florida for Bush election committee, showing an obvious conflict of interest in her duties. Any fair person who looked into the specifics of that election would have to assume that the outcome was manipulated for political purposes both at the state executive level and by a partisan Supreme Court. SCOTUS has damaged their reputation for decades to come because of this. --M