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Camera Vans To Photograph 50 Million Buildings

dritan writes "A new van unveiled at CeBIT America is equipped with 50 digital cameras and takes pictures every 15 feet -- with the goal of photographing 50 million buildings in the country. These photos could be cross-referenced with aerial photographs so that law enforcement or insurance agencies can get overhead and street level views of the same location -- just by entering an address." Time to hang out the "Hi, Mom!" signs.

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  1. Tinfoil sales skyrocket by ericspinder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great, now I'll have to wrap my whole house!

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    1. Re:Tinfoil sales skyrocket by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mabey they have already been by your house.
      But honestly What you do on the outside of your house is for the public view. If you dont want your house to been seen you buy a secluded woods area and build your house underground.

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    2. Re:Tinfoil sales skyrocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Most people posting here already live in a basement. Usually their parents'.

  2. logical question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is it legal?

    1. Re:logical question by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As many genealogists know, there are entire archives of fire insurance photographs of many homes and other buildings from the 1880s to 1970. This is nothing new, except for the correlation with satellite images.

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    2. Re:logical question by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cryptome just linked to The Photographer's Rights (pdf, 147kB) - it's a good reference, but it basically says you can photograph anything visible from public property except national-security-restricted-places and places where people have secluded themselves to have an expectation of privacy (their bathroom).

    3. Re:logical question by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes. This is just a database of publicly-available information: the outside appearances of buildings. No privacy or copyright concerns.

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    4. Re:logical question by ron_ivi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I thought upskirt photos up short skirts are illegal in many communities even in places where people have not secluded themselves.

      Looks like the feds may outlaw this too .

      5/20/2004
      ... ban on upskirt photos and other kinds of video voyeurism by cell phone cameras, minicams, and other such technology, passed the House Judiciary Committee May 19.
      By this law, you don't have to "have secluded themselves", as the parent post suggests - just to have "a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding such body part or parts".

      So what happens if someone's wearing a short skirt when the truck goes by?

    5. Re:logical question by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "is it legal?"

      Ask the guy who was arrested for taking photographs of the White House.

      (answer: it's legal for some people, and not for others)

    6. Re:logical question by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There was a recent case with Barbara Streisand related to whether photographs that included private property belonged in the public domain. Her beachfront home was part of a whole series of coastline photos. Basically, she lost. IANAL, but I don't think the principle would be any different.

      It is necessary to get permission to publish a picture of a person, but it is not necessary to get the permission of every person in the background of a picture. Often pictures of apartments or businesses include people who happened to walk by at that moment. The line may have to do with the focus of the picture, but IANAL, so I would have to research that further.

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  3. (sigh) better go make sure the lawn is mowed. by The+I+Shing · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, great. I just hope when they photograph my house the lawn is mowed and the hedges are trimmed.

    Still, this would be a great way to find out who has lawn gnomes, plastic flamingos, and those fat-lady-bending-over things in their gardens.

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    1. Re:(sigh) better go make sure the lawn is mowed. by Auckerman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Still, this would be a great way to find out who has lawn gnomes, plastic flamingos, and those fat-lady-bending-over things in their gardens.

      Funny, but you make a very good point. Should this database leak into the "wrong hands" that has access to a competent programmer, targeted robberies could increase. Cross correlations are you friend. Get enough RAM and find the neighborhoods with new sports cars and a little more research and in one night a crew can have at it. Who knew theft could be so efficient?

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    2. Re:(sigh) better go make sure the lawn is mowed. by demaria · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A year? Heck you can do all that with public records. Just look up house prices, school taxes and crime rate per 100K. There's half your information right there. Or just drive around a city for an hour. Worrying that this system will lead to increased targeted crime is silly.

    3. Re:(sigh) better go make sure the lawn is mowed. by wwest4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think many municipalities (including my own) already have a freely available, online database of home and landowners, complete with curbside photos. Other information is available in hard form, you need only to go to the town records repository and ask. This isn't really new.

      In my experience, thieves are generally pretty poor at what they do, though I'm sure there are a few adept ones. They do their "site surveys" on foot and take the most useless and worthless stuff. E.g. burglars stole my shitty stereo (w/o the faceplate), my cds and $20 binoculars, but they left a (very portable) $400 unicycle in the back seat. The parts could easily have been stripped and sold to BMXers for way more than the other stuff.

    4. Re:(sigh) better go make sure the lawn is mowed. by Fizzog · · Score: 3, Informative

      I once worked at a 'Telephone services' company developing their customer information system.

      There are service companies that provide copious information on people just by giving them a phone number.

      They can find your name, address, occupation, marital status, number of children, ages of children, household income, number of vehicles, value of the property and all kinds of demographic information.

      Mind you, this information doesn't come cheap. It cost 5 cents.

      And you can get way better information with a credit card number...

    5. Re:(sigh) better go make sure the lawn is mowed. by ghostlibrary · · Score: 3, Funny

      Someone in NY broke into my car (VW Beetle). They skipped the car stereo-- which was laying on the seat since I hadn't installed it yet. They skipped the speakers, which were in plain site screwed to the back seat.

      But they did steal a laundry bag full of my friend's clothing.

      Apparently, used clothing has a solid market in NY (flea markets, etc).

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  4. All your base! by CriX · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll be hanging my "All your base.." sign :)

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    1. Re:All your base! by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Funny

      All your base... in streings of IR LEDs... thats the way to go.

      I always wanted to put a sign with IR LEDs on the roof for when the police were using their IR cameras to look for people growing plants in their houses.
      (something like "Stop wasting my tax dollars")

      Then the supreme court went and ruled they need a warrent for that shit... took all the fun out of my day.

      -Steve

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    2. Re:All your base! by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...IR cameras to look for people growing plants in their houses.

      Great now I have to install heat shielding in the roof of my basment, or get busted for my personal use mar...umm...I mean rose garden.

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  5. I'd love this if it were made public by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just happen to be an enthusiast of the art of architecture. This would be a great way to look up and view buildings by address/location.

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    1. Re:I'd love this if it were made public by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yah, I've done drive-by's on the wrong house before too...boy was I embarassed when I read the obituaries and saw my target's next door neighbor in there! Man, was my face red!

    2. Re:I'd love this if it were made public by bay43270 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Link it to map quest. Driving directions could be visual.

      Turn left here: [picture of the intersection]

      Render them together, and you could have a 3d rendering of the trip (made up of 2d images used as a textures). On star could send them to your heads-up-display (you have one, right?)

    3. Re:I'd love this if it were made public by El+Cabri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Several French cities, including Paris, are available at www.pagesjaunes.fr (France Telecom's yellow pages). I used it to see the building in Bordeaux where my brother had found an appartment, and to check out the hospital where I was born according to my birth certificate, etc... fun.

      On the City of Paris' website http://www.paris.fr/FR/Environnement/bruit/carto_b ruit/default.ASP also gives you a 3d map of the amount of street noise received by each building. Useful before you buy an apartment.

  6. Cool Game Levels by RidiculousPie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Combined with mapping data can we make levels for our favourite games, with pictures of buildings true to life?

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    1. Re:Cool Game Levels by Mad+Bad+Rabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, boy, now I can put out "The Sims -- Shreveport Louisiana" expansion pack. Or "Grand Theft Auto 13: The Streets of Missoula Montana"

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  7. Synchronized Group Mooning ? by beatleadam · · Score: 4, Funny

    Think about it...It's Open Source and community based and it would look Great on Film!

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  8. Better maps? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It'd be interesting to see how such a survey affects sites like MapQuest... as it'd be real useful to have the building you're drving to circled on a street-level picture when you're traveling in an unknown-to-you metro area.

  9. Can they at least by bplipschitz · · Score: 4, Funny

    remove the swastika flags from the vans before they come prowling through my neighborhood?

  10. Just freakin great. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    "When viewed from this angle, all the bare ass cheeks pressed against the windows spell out SCO SUCKS".

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  11. I don't mind cops looking up my address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't mind this at all. They may look at the address I gave them, 1060 W addison, Chicago, any time that they want...

  12. story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    May 25, 2004
    Van Could Take Photographs While Driving
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Filed at 9:14 p.m. ET

    NEW YORK (AP) -- An odd-looking van sprouts 13 digital cameras that its builder wants to use to photograph 50 million buildings in the country while driving, taking pictures every 15 feet.

    The van's drive-by snaps would be matched against GPS satellite positioning data and aerial photographs in a database. Police, insurance agents and others then could call up overhead and street-level views simply by entering an address.

    The setup from Imageos Inc. was one of the security-related exhibits on display at this year's CeBIT America technology trade show, which opened here Tuesday. Other companies were showing software tools to secure wireless networks, monitor employee surfing and protect users from viruses and spyware.

    The main market for Imageos' photographs would be insurance appraisals, but the Boulder, Colo., startup is also touting the pictures for ``homeland security'' applications, law enforcement and emergency services.

    Imageos' Paul Jurasin said that thanks to the aerial photos, the database can show whether a house has a swimming pool or a fence in the back, details that could be of interest both to insurance companies and police.

    ``It gives them more information than they would get by driving up to a house, before they get there,'' Jurasin said.

    So far, Imageos has photographed only Orlando, Fla. If it gets funding, it plans to photograph the 25 largest cities in the country over the next five years using more than a dozen vans.

    Elsewhere on the convention floor, Hewlett-Packard Co. showed a laptop computer that is secured against non-computing attacks, namely water, dust and physical impact. The nr3600 is HP's first ``rugged'' laptop, an entry into a market dominated by Panasonic's Toughbooks.

    Rugged laptops are aimed at workers who need to bring their computers to rough construction sites, deserts and combat. The nr3600, on sale now for $4,099 and up, meets military specifications for shock resistance and sealing against the elements. It is joined by a keyboard-less ruggedized ``tablet'' for $600 less.

    The nr3600 has a large carrying handle, but for portability, it can't beat the OQO, an ``ultra personal computer'' about the size of a paperback book. The small LCD screen slides away to reveal a tiny keyboard intended for thumb-typing.

    It has most of the functionality of a full computer: The Windows XP machine has a hard drive, built-in wireless networking and a USB port.

    The OQO is designed for simpler tasks while on the move. When you sit down for serious work, you attach it to a docking station that connects to a full monitor, mouse and keyboard. The OQO thus aims to replace Palm-style organizers, laptops and desktops.

    San Francisco-based OQO Inc. has been promising its gadget for two years. It says it's now finally shipping this fall for somewhat less than $2,000.

    Nifty gadgets aside, the latest year's upswing in the technology business was in little evidence at show. Organizers expected 350 to 360 exhibitors, slightly fewer than last year, which was the first time CeBIT held an American show.

    ``It's OK. It's not buzzing with activity, but it's OK,'' said Farhad Keyvan, who was visiting from Bridgewater, N.J., where he runs a small software company.

    Mark Dineen, the show's managing director, acknowledged that some large U.S. companies have ``pulled away'' from the trade show business.

    However, Microsoft Corp. and enterprise software giants PeopleSoft Inc. and Siebel Systems Inc. were added to the roster of exhibitors this year, and a greater number of preregistrations led organizers to expect up to 50 percent more attendees than the 8,500 that showed up last year. The show runs till Thursday.

    CeBIT America is an offshoot of the world's largest technology fair, which is held Hanover, Germany, in March. That show had 6,411 exhibitors this year.

  13. Good luck! by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Funny

    My house is sheltered from the street by a thick strand of trees and planters. Hopefully the federales will use this information to keep out of my impatiens when they storm my house.

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  14. Verizon made an investment in this by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Verizon will send its spokesman to accompany them. Every time a picture is taken, that guy will say "Can you hear me now?"

    Then, one picture will include his corpse on the front lawn, and James Earl Jones will get his job back.

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  15. And yet, by Speare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet, if I take pictures anywhere near a Federal building, subway tunnel or bridge, even from a public sidewalk, the goons will want to catalogue me as a potential threat.

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  16. 10 Comments and no Alternate Link? by eSims · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here's a no reg required copy of the AP article.

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  17. Madrid and Barcelona already have this by z_gringo · · Score: 4, Informative


    Madrid and Bercelona are alaready online, and most buildings have multiple views.

    check it out here. However the site seems to be running very slow at the moment.

    For some sample addresses, you can use Calle Serrano 75, or Francisco Silvela 20

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  18. Plan to raid the database ? by Dave21212 · · Score: 4, Funny


    Ok, here's my plan... I'll hang a painting I made on the house with a disclaimer that it's not to be reproduced...

    then, after they take the picture, I'll demand access to the content database since I know they have my IP in there...

    if they refuse, I'll lobby Congess to pass a law that has the DOJ go after them for me !


    Oh yeah, I almost forgot (this is /. after all)
    Step 4: Profit !

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  19. Cook County (Chicago) Already did this. by gillbates · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A year or so ago, Cook County officials sent a van around photographing every house and residential street in the county. They planned to offer the pictures on the internet, but I'm not sure how successful they were.

    And yes, it made the news and raised a lot of controversy, but in the end, Cook County told its critics they could shove it, and went ahead and did it anyway.

    I guess its just another case of "Can't fight City Hall"....

    Now, if a private citizen had attempted to do the same, you can bet they would have been arrested. And if someone tried to do it now, they'd get thrown in jail as a suspected terrorist.

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  20. Maintenance? by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do they maintain this image collection so that it stays up to date? If a single building changes (is modified, demolished, etc.) will they go back and photograph it? Or will they just do huge city sweeps every year or so? I would think they'd be doing the latter. It'd be like a photographic street directory.

  21. Honestly? So what? by Peale · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wake up call, people. Your house, unless it's behind a fence, is already accessible visually to the public. I can walk out my door right now, with my camera, and snap pictures of every house on my street.

    What'll that get me? Not much, except a bunch of pictures of houses on my street.

    If this helps the 911 guys find my house better in case of an emergency, good for them. If it never happens, they've got a picture of a blue house with tan trim.

    Someone please enlighten me as to how this could possibly be bad.

  22. Mignt need more vans. by Jammer@CMH · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From a quick and dirty search, there seems to be 3,936,246 miles of road in the US. At 45MPH, driving 12 hours a day, you have about 20 years to cover all of them.

    They may need more vans.

  23. Why don't you just give em DNA by switcha · · Score: 5, Funny
    Time to hang out the "Hi, Mom!" signs.

    Oh, sure. Give them a handwriting sample while you're at it.

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  24. Already Done in PA by SplendidIsolatn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Allegheny County, PA, you can go to the county assessment website (http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/Sea rch.asp)
    and search on street name, address, OWNER, etc. In the information for most houses are also the pictures of said house. So this is nothing really new, at least around here.

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  25. Re:Honestly? So what? by Hex4def6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If this helps the 911 guys find my house better in case of an emergency, good for them. If it never happens, they've got a picture of a blue house with tan trim.


    Well, they'll have a convincing case for governmental intervention in the next home decorating decision you make :)

  26. It's been done already by broothal · · Score: 4, Informative

    The french already did this - check out pages jaunes (pages jaunes is french for Yellow Pages). You can actually look up an address and see a photo of it.

  27. Everything I need to know about life I learned... by elwell642 · · Score: 5, Funny

    from Bugs Bunny:

    Just get a big canvas outside your house, paint a tunnel, and watch what happens!

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  28. Try this one by TequilaJunction · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pennsylvania's Deptartment of Transportation has been building a video log of the major state routes. It's a similar concept, but their implementation is focused on road maintenance and identification rather than address mapping. http://164.156.5.83/ividlog/video_locate.asp

  29. What's the over/under... by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    on how many pictures will have a dinosaur?

  30. Re:Honestly? So what? by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If this helps the 911 guys find my house better in case of an emergency, good for them. If it never happens, they've got a picture of a blue house with tan trim. Someone please enlighten me as to how this could possibly be bad.

    Well, for starters, what happens when your house isn't blue anymore with tan trim...and the fire truck drives past your house? Given how much of a pain in the ass it is to do the photos, do they honestly intend to update the DB constantly?

    Out in western MA, they had a very easy solution to all this. The town gave out bright plastic signs with a picture of a fire truck and the street number of the house...and a little metal stake to hang it from. Instructions on where to place it relative to -your- driveway were given. This was done because many people don't have mailboxes(they have PO boxes in town), or they were confusingly located(ie across the street, at the end of a private driveway, etc).

    Works perfectly. This is just some urban idiot who doesn't understand that the problem's already been solved- just not everyone has chosen to implement it.

  31. Re:Everything I need to know about life I learned. by vicviper · · Score: 4, Funny
    If you see a coyote drive a truck through your front door it might be time to consider stop taking drugs and/or drinking hard liquor.

    Perhaps... Or maybe it would be a good time to start.

  32. Confuse the hell out of them... by MrIcee · · Score: 3, Funny

    coat your house in mirrors

  33. Photo Maps for Women by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I read a claim that when it comes to navigation, men's minds are more spacially oriented while women's minds are more landmark oriented. Thus, maps work better for men than for women.

    Women can make due with written directions, but what if there was a way to give directions by providing a photograph of every intersection from the 1st person, with the turns marked by arrows? Instead of memorizing street names or distances, you could just say "I'll turn when I see this, I'll turn when I see that..." You could be completely illiterate and still navigate. To make such a system possible, you'd have to photograph every intersection from every approach, at day and night, every season (which is frequent enough to account for new construction in most areas). It would be very labor intensive, but it would provide a very valuable service. Assuming illiterate, map-incompetent people have enough money to pay for it.

  34. I call bullshit! by endoboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    there are 2.27+ million miles of paved roads in the US, not to mention all the unpaved ones...

    First off, even at 30 miles per hour 24 hours a day, it'd take about 8 1/2 years to take the photos.

    Second, taking 50 pictures every fifteen feet comes to ~17 thousand pictures per mile. Even at a measly 1 megapixel each, that's 17gigs per mile. Multiply that by a couple million miles and I think you may have just a little storage and database problem....