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Night Vision Goggles vs Pirates

Cormorant writes "It was reported in The Guardian that Warner Brothers has sent night vision goggles to cinemas across Britain for ushers to don and scan for camcorder pirates during the entire length of the movie [the new Harry Potter], along with watermarks and codes displayed on screen during the film. Mr Graham said "Video piracy is rife everywhere, and with the UK screening the film four days before the rest of the world, Warner was concerned the movie would end up on the internet. Warner sees the investment as negligible compared with the threat to the whole industry."

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  1. Splinter Cell 3 : Black Ops Box Office by Bandit0013 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Returning as Sam Fisher, you infiltrate the theaters of the UK...

    1. Re:Splinter Cell 3 : Black Ops Box Office by Azghoul · · Score: 5, Funny

      The trouble is, they're pirates. They'll just say "Yarrrrr, avast ye whiny land lubber!"

    2. Re:Splinter Cell 3 : Black Ops Box Office by JudgeFurious · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One many years ago when I was a young man I was forced to sit through the movie "Purple Rain" three times in three days. I never once paid for a ticket and I didn't particularly want to see the film. I just happened to be with three different groups of people who were dead set on seeing it and having nothing better to do I went with them. They were paying for it after all.

      The first time it was not entirely horrible. It wasn't good of course but I could deal with it. The second time it was starting to get horrible but again I held it together and managed to make it through the movie. The third night I would have passed on it if the girl I was desperate to get into bed hadn't wanted to go see it but that's where I made my mistake.

      We sat in a theater next to a couple who brought with them a thoroughly miserable baby who (on reflection I really can't blame the little bugger) wanted to be anywhere but sitting in a dark theater watching Prince. That baby cried through most of the picture. People sitting around them asked them politely if they would take the baby into the lobby. People glared at them while the baby screamed like someone was pulling it's toes off. People moved to other available seats. They didn't budge.

      I was hanging on by a very, very thin thread at this point and stood up, turned around and told them that if they didn't find a way to shut that baby up I was going to pick it up by it's feet and beat them to death with it.

      They got up and left as people around us clapped. Now, at close to 40 years of age I realize how lucky I was not to have gone to jail. On the other hand these people were terribly rude to make everyone else sit through a movie listening to their child.

      You're right though. In recent years I've just asked people to be quiet and gone and brought an usher down when necessary. It's the better choice.

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  2. There is probably already a bittorrent by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Theater pirates may get lots of press, but most of the stolen copies freely available are taken right from the studios themselves.

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    1. Re:There is probably already a bittorrent by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      None of them actually do ticket or piracy checks whilst a movie is being shown. Night-vision goggles aren't going to help much.

      Especially if they're copying the movie themselves during late-night private screenings.

      I don't know about the UK, but in the US movie ushers are teen-age kids. They're far more enamoured with getting steet-cred for getting a clean copy of a popular film then they would be with making their boss look good by catching pirates.

      If the studios want security guards, they'd be better served by hiring security guards.

      TW

    2. Re:There is probably already a bittorrent by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Theater pirates may get lots of press...

      Bingo. It's in the best interest of the *IAA's to thoroughly convince everyone that any IP theft is taking place outside the studios, paving the way for things like DRM & DMCA. These measures are necessary because the theft is obviously taking place out in the public, beyond the studios' control.

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    3. Re:There is probably already a bittorrent by fractaloon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anybody that wants to take the time to download and watch a poor quality pirated copy shot in a theatre is a huge fan. That person is also going to go watch the movie themselves, probably more than once.

      Warner Brothers is delusional if it actually believes that it's losing money because of theatre copies.

    4. Re:There is probably already a bittorrent by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Screener copy != Studio itself. Learn the difference.

      Learn to read. The parent says nothing about screener copies. Since they started embedding screener IDs, "screener copies" are a non-issue (and really, never have been much of an issue).

      There are, however, many many many points in the chain within a huge studio where the picture can be quietly spirited away in perfectly clean DVD form.

      Think Inside Job, my friend. And againe, taking a page from your diplomatic book, LEARN TO READ!

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    5. Re:There is probably already a bittorrent by skiflyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hence the watermarking and the like. Sure you might not stop this one, but with enough precautions you're now able to reasonably exclude certain cinema's from your release list, or perhaps set up a system of fines.

    6. Re:There is probably already a bittorrent by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'd love to be on anti-pirate duty if it meant being able to walk around in night vision goggles."

      Me too. But I'd just spend the time oggling the hot chicks while they couldn't see me, screw looking for pirates...

  3. Isn't someone... by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... going to spout off about how they have no right to be observing us? I mean, what gives them the right to spy on us during a movie that we paid good money to see?

  4. Waste of time... by cenonce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That seems like a waste of time.

    All a pirate has to do is pay the kid making minimum wage running the projector a couple hundred pounds to let the pirate sit in the booth and record from there!

  5. Could be a good thing... by nekoniku · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now when the projector gets screwed up or there's no sound, there will be theater personnel on hand to notice!

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  6. We've got ours by Muhammed+Absol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We had a set sent to our theater, and have had a bit of fun playing with them. We were amazed to find how many people actually use their cell phones during a movie. Just goofing off I've seen cell phones, laptops, and a gameboy! But no camcorders, yet.

  7. Bootleg piracy seriously hurts them???? by e2mtt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously, how could bootleg piracy videos really hurt their industry?
    Harry Potter's target audience isn't the people who scour the net for zero-day pirate releases, and anyone who doesn't go see the movie because they saw already saw it in a grainy fuzzy download, probably wasn't really that interested in the movie anyway.

  8. In the future by kneecarrot · · Score: 5, Funny
    In the future, I predict that blind people will be able to attach a mechanical device to their heads that will allow them to watch movies.

    Pirates will begin modifying their video equipment to look like these devices, thus foiling the ability of pirate scouts to spot actual pirates.

    Then, one day, a movie theatre employee will kick out a blind man, suspecting him of pirating the movie.

    All matter of hell and lawsuits will spew forth and in the end, only the blind people will suffer.

    So, ban movie theatre pirate scouts before it's too late!

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  9. Re:This might make sense... by Tuvai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And the patient will just wait for the high quality DVD rips to be released, especially popular over here in the UK thanks to the excessive amount of time a large proportion of titles take to cross the atlantic.
    This is a nice publicity stunt that might (in the unlikely event of it being well implimented) possibly add a day or two to the length of time it takes a poor quality camrip to appear on suprnova, but nothing more

  10. Re:How is this news? by Antity-H · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this is the first time I heard of studios providing NVG to prevent piracy in theaters.

    However, I also think this is doomed to fail.The quality of some cam recording lets me think that some pirates may be friends with a projectionnist, thus giving them access to "private" screening with no audience except a camera.

    And what of the ushers themselves. Surely quite a number are in facts students with part-time jobs. The same students that download films on p2p. what's to prevent _them_ from camcording the film ?

    The only real defense against this would be releasing the film the same day everywhere

  11. RE: Screener copy != Studio itself. by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 5, Informative

    In fact, the awards screener DVDs are only one source. (A "screener" is a promotional preview videocassette/DVD of a film provided by a film company, or its distributor, to video store owners or movie award voters prior to its general release date. Selling, trading or distributing these "screeners" is frowned upon by the MPAA)

    Every point in the production cycle where the movie transitions from print to electronic version is a possible leak.

    Screener traces are already in place. And there was a notable incident this year where an Acadamy of Motion Pictures member was caught bootlegging his screeners by the trace technology.

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  12. Re:watermarks... by saderax · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are correct in your understanding of watermarking. However, one of the main requirements of a good watermarking system is that the watermark should be preserved in the presence of image modification (compression, cropping, rotating, etc.) This means that many watermarks themselves are not implanted once, but repeated many times throughout the frame. There is currently a lot of research in the field of watermarking because it is a difficult problem to solve, and the ramifications could be great. (I recall seeing a slashdot article where a man was arrested for pirating movies because the movie studios watermarked each screener DVD differently and were able to trace the internet release to its source.) Some watermarks operate in the frequency domain (such as the fourier transform, or discrete cosine transform DCT) which recognize patterns in the image, and describe the image as a summation of waves. Applying a watermark in the frequency domain means one bit worth of data changed is distributed throughout every other pixel in that row/column of image.

    In summary: Im absoultely positive the MPAA is using watermarking techniques, and I am sure that they have put tons of research money/time into defining watermarks that will survive the MPEG or DivX encoding algorithms.

    And btw:
    A serial number in a random frame can be blotted out easily or the entire frame can be cut out by someone compressing the video stream to an mpeg or divx.

  13. Re:TS release in 3...2...1... by gmack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm willing to bet it will actually increase piracy by killing off a major source of bad quality product.

    It's almost as if they want to make the problem worse.

    Personally if I were the MPAA I would let these morons record all so they can flood the market with bad quality DVDs and making it such a bad case of hit or miss that the only way you can be sure of getting a good copy is to buy one.

    A smarter move would be to finish hunting down the people in their own industry who are leaking production quality material before the movie even makes it to the theaters.

  14. THIS teenager ran a projector... by cabraverde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to project films for a local cinama (here in the UK) from the age of 15. Films I wasn't even legally entitled to watch.

    Large multiplex cinemas may have well-paid, adult projectionists with night-vision monocles and decent security - but there are thousands of smaller single-screen cinemas where any old kid (like me) runs the projector for pocket money. All it takes is for one of them to bring in a camcorder.