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Quick Fixes For Those Pining For A 6-foot Cabinet
Joe Barr writes "Over at Newsforge [part of OSDN, like Slashdot], there's a look at the arcade/system emulator movement and two Linux-based Live CDs designed to put you in touch with your inner Donkey Kong: KnoppixMAME and AdvanceCD. I'm happy with gameplay under both. I only wish I knew more about the legality of using them." S!: We previously covered release details on KnoppixMAME and AdvanceCD last year, and also mentioned the categorically legal, if limited StarROMs site on Slashdot Games a few weeks back.
here I COME!!! I love being able to count the pixels as they disappear when my 2x16 lazer almost makes contact...
- Your stupidity got you into this mess, why can't it get you out? -Will Rogers
an old DDR cabinet, KnoppixMAME, StepMania, and a few days of free time. Then I will never have to leave the house again!
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Just in case the server crashes and burns (like they usually do),I have put up a mirror.= 04/05/14/1441241 is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_616/entertainment.n ewsforge.com/article.pl%3fsid=04/05/14/1441241 o m/
The mirror of http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid
The mirror of http://www.starroms.com/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_616/www.starroms.c
Note to Mods: When I post mirrors, it's a best guess. I don't know for certain whether or not the site will go down!
i use a hacked xbox in my cabinet boots faster then the Knoppix solution and you dont need a keyboard at all.
What the? I didn't know such things were of such importance to such people as to identify them as important!
I am NEVER playing Donkey Kong again!
Recently, I have been playing Cleopatra Fortune and Guwange... legally of course...
"...includes three truely free games.."
Huge bonus there. Maybe they will start shipping with nethack and you got yourself a whopping 4 games to last your 3 minutes tensionspan for another 2 min.
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
I only wish I knew more about the legality of using them.
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The software for most of these arcade games is not free. If you do not have a legal license for a game you are playing under MAME, you are infringing on someone's copyright.
I think that about sums it up right there. Yes, most MAME use is illegal. No, they probably won't call you on it for the older games. They might call you on it for some of the newer ones that are still making money in the arcades, but they'd need to catch you first, which is pretty hard if you just do it at home.
I only wish I knew more about the legality of using them.
Trust me, you don't.
If one downloads old arcade games which aren't really distributed by the manufacturer anymore, who are you hurting by using them? Sure, it's a copyright violation, but is it really hurting the distributor, since they aren't even trying to make money off of it? Copyrights are to protect innovation, but is there a point when the innovation should be freed for everyone to be...innovated by?
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Me, I'm pining for the fjords!
Just wait about 50 years or so, and you'll get your very own 6 foot pine cabinet. It'll even be six feet under too! Of course, you'll have a bit of a challenge playing games by then, but hey...
Look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got him home?
There is one site that tells you EVERYTHING you need to know.
www.arcadecontrols.com
Enough of these side articles about mame.
Doesn't nintendo own a patent on emulators for the PC? If so wouldn't this be in violation of Nintendo's patent.
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Vector graphics, decent force-feedback and an operable clutch, which can really show you who knows how to drive. The physics were pretty realistic, even allowing for throttle steering.
Of course, it only came with a four-speed transmission, but it's better than the contemporaries, which had no clutch and paddle shifters, with laughable physics.
"Snoochie-Boochies? Who talks like that? That is babytalk!"-Jay, Chasing Amy
But why is KnoppixMame so big? AdvanceCD is around 10 MB, while KnoppixMame is around 116 MB, leaving a lot less room for games.
StarROMs is a fucking joke. Let's not beat around the bush. If they really want to combat piracy, then they need a much, much bigger selection. A more sane pricing scheme (e.g. a sliding scale based on the age of the ROM-- 1970s and early 1980s ROMs like Pong and Pac-Man for $5, late 1980s ROMs for $10, early 1990s ROMs for $15-- with all prices decreasing as time goes on) would help too.
Honey, I shrunk the Cygwin
If anyone is interested, here are a bunch of photos I took of my MAME cabinet when I built it back in the summer of 2000. The pictures are kinda crappy, and were all taken at my parents house, but they show a full stand-up MAME machine, with a cabinet made competely from scratch. The cabinet was patterned off of a Data East Robocop / Bad Dudes cabinet, but made a bit deeper to accomidate my monitor.
In a perfect world, I mean. I use MAME, and I use it to play really old arcade games. Yes, I realize that this is almost certainly illegal--Nintendo would probably sue my ass off if they knew that I played Donkey Kong with my setup. But why? Look at it realistically; Donkey Kong is freaking old. Even if Nintendo were to rerelease it for, I dunno, the GBA or something--hell, they might have already done this--how well would it actually do? Most people who play games today would take one look at it and say "Eeew! That's crap!" based on the graphics / difficulty and go away. The only people who would actually buy a rerelease of Donkey Kong would either be people who played it in arcades long ago or those or who, like me, played it via MAME. MAME is therefore actually a good thing--it spreads around old games and gets people excited and interested in them, thus boosting sales if those games are ever rereleased. Changing the subject slightly, look at Super NES emulation. Tons of people use things like ZSNES to play old RPGs like Final Fantasy VI. When Square actually did rerelease that game, it sold pretty well, but it arguably would not have sold nearly as well if the ROM trade hadn't made games like that popular among "pirates." Hell, I played that game on an emulator and then gladly purchased the rerelease when it came out; had I not played the game before in ROM form, there's no way I would have done that. Emulation, especially for older/obsolete game platforms, is a Good Thing.
Really, what would be perfect for this whole MAME rom issue would be for someone to create the equivlent of the iTunes music store, just geared towards old, obsolete arcade games. Gather all the roms together, make them accessible through a clean, easy, and reliable interface, and charge a reasonable price. Just like in the music world, it wouldn't end all of the illegal copying going on, but it would create a decent alternative.
There are, of course, a lot of practical issues that would make this very difficult to do. There are a whole lot of little game developers, it'd probably be hard to track down who owns many games, and offering newer games along side older ones would complicate a lot of things, least of all the pricing issues.
But yeah, it'd be cool.
One time I threw a brick at a duck.
MAME user: I wish the law wasn't so ambiguous about playing ROMs.
The Law: It's illegal unless you have the copyright owner's permission.
MAME user: like I said, so vague...
Copyright holders: Don't do it. We don't give permission.
MAME user: can't I get a clear answer out of either of you two?!
I now run my native desktop as Linux. But I've done a speed comparison with some games between MAME under Linux and MAME under DOS. It isn't necessarily Linux's fault, but MAME under DOS just runs faster than Linux, and that means that more games can run at faster framerates with lesser hardware.
I'm trying to see a compelling reason to run a Linux based MAME cabinet, as opposed to an MSDOS dedicated MAME cabinet? The speed issue really hurts.
Want a 6' Cabinet?
Eh? Do ya? Wink wink, nudge nudge.
Say... No... More!
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
The "real" use for advancemame and related programs is the magic it can work with real arcade equipment.
.. dead .. for $35 at a local auction last year.
.50mm dot pitch screens is what makes it feel authentic.
,. rather than mame32 and others that use line doubling or tripling and overscan to get the same effect.
.. even new ones .. run at 320/240 or less.
I for one bought an old Rampage game that had been converted to Sunset Riders
$4.00 in parts and $120 in joysticks / buttons / PC interface and some time on a drill press and I've got me a SF2 style cabinet with enough room to add another 2 joysticks and a spinner for spinnet games and berserk like games.
All played on a real arcade monitor at 15.75 khz (that would be a 19" CGA monitor).
Believe it or not the monitor is better because it isn't so crisp and high quality as a PC VGA monitor is. The look and feel of these old
Advancemame's wonder is that you can feed it the scanning range of your monitor and it will generate a mode line that drives your video card and monitor at native resolution and scanning rate
Don't forget that most of these old games
StarROMs is a good start. 51 games at an average cost of $2.15 each if you buy them all is more than reasonable. If StarROMs proves commercially successful, you can reasonably hope that other ROMs from other vendors will become commercially available as well. Trashing StarROMs because of their limited selection is like slamming a baby learning to crawl because they aren't walking and running yet. Give it some time and see what happens. I know they are looking to expand their offerings but they have an uphill battle convincing copyright owners to let them. Note that StarROMs isn't out to combat piracy. They're out to make money. That they convinced Atari that they could do so while combating piracy is what I hope other vendors take note of. If it takes off then it's likely that competitive forces will come into play similarly to what's happening in the MP3/digital-format-of-your-choice music industry today. Perhaps a competitor will open up shop with the pricing scheme you envision and the selection you want. So I wouldn't call StarROMs a joke by any means -- I'd call it a good first step. I personally hope they make a killing so they can grow like crazy and offer more consumer choices... --- saint Build Your Own Arcade Controls FAQ http://www.arcadecontrols.com/ Project Arcade http://www.projectarcade.com/
--- saint
Build Your Own Arcade Controls
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Goodbye harddrive! The console system I've set up has an *old* harddrive with which I've installed a basic linux system that automounts a network share containing my roms. Plays games well, but the hard drive is dying.
I'm in the process of tearing apart a KnoppixMAME iso as I type - add a script to run after boot and I can finally use the magnet from the old hard drive to cause my BOFH boss to have a really bad day!!! MUAHAHAHA.
Just kidding. Obligatory howto on how to remaster a Knoppix bootable CD. http://gnubox.dyndns.org:8080/~sunil/knoppix.php
It will be in stores on the 3rd.
As for how well it will do, the Super Mario series for GBA still sells very well, so who knows.
Setup a high profile site that sells these ROMs. Do a little civil disobedience. Get a court to declare the law unconstitutional and you're all set.
Except that well if they don't your screwed.
Whoever says that weed doesn't make you dumber. It took me about a minute to figure out what this story is about and another two deciding how the hell the headline made any sense whatsoever.
It does.
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"Linux-based Live CDs designed to ... touch ... your ... Donkey Kong"
I may be a Linux geek, but I've never needed Linux to help me do that.
Why pine away... just build one =) (or convert one --> UberCade: Mame Taito cabinet conversion
As mentioned ealier Build your own arcade controls (be sure to check there forum, where helpful folks like me will help you along with your project... hey quit snickering!)
Also of note is the new "how to" book by the guy who runs byoac... (with my referral link included of course =P ) PRoject Arcade Book
*Shrug* or you could *shudder* use an x-arcade desktop controller if you can't fit a full sized cabinet, or cocktail, or cabaret cabinet in your pad...
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The rulemaking from the U.S. Copyright Office is perfectly clear. If you have rights to the game (as in you own a broken one, bought ROMs from StarROMs, etc), AND you the machine isn't made anymore, you can emulate the machine, even if it has anti-copying built in.
So, the rest of us that have 2000 ROM sets for games we haven't ever seen in person, let alone own a broken original, then we are 'breakin the law'. But you know what else... NO ONE CARES!
No one cares because there is no money involved. The people that own the rights to all the classic arcade games know that it's not worth there time and effort to try and sell old stuff. They're never going to make another Defender machine. They tried to sell Defender and other classics on CD, but that was hardly worth thier time and effort. They will sit on those old rights forever. I have approached a few of the owners and tried to buy the IP from them, and secure the rights for what I felt was some biz-ops, but they have some lazy ass lawyers that are not even sure what games they have right to (becasue of all the mergers), and they weren't willing to look into it.
So if they aren't even willing to figure out what games they have the right for, how willing do you think they are to sue individuals over small time infrinement cases? Not very willing at all.
As long as MAME keeps their distance from ROM distribution, they have nothing to worry about as there are legal and legitimate ways to use MAME.
As long as you're not selling turn-key MAME cabinets fully loaded will all ROMs, you have nothing to worry about. Your not profiting from having and emualtor in your living room, and people that aren't making any money (from their illegal activity) generally don't get sued.
I, for one, do not want a six-foot pine box any time soon. I want to die of old age in my sleep after a Twinkie feast off of the breasts of one of my lovers, in zero gravity. And the pine box certainly won't be buried.
More like 5 cents, 10 cents, and 15 cents. These games aren't worth that much money. It's bad enough that companies they can legally steal these games from you, but to charge $5 for Pac Man? I don't think so.
Empty out all those computers, joysticks, and buttons. Replace it with a lighting and ventilation system and a hydroponic reservoir, then plant some kick ass marijuana in there.
You can smoke the marijuana yourself, or trade it to drug users for their video game machines. A stoner will trade you an original Atari 2600 and 100 games for a single dime bag. You can't go wrong!
What is it with people who publish open source software who think the most important thing to put on the front page is "what's new with the software" rather than "what the software IS"? I had to dig around to finally find the Introduction page, I shouldn't have to.
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I thought this was an article about casket building when I first saw the headline.
I hate sigs.
Emulators are great all and, hell, I use 'em. But if you really want to play old arcade games why not just buy them? Can you imageine how many PCB's you could get for the price of that new graphics card you wasted your money on?
Is your frame rate alittle higher than mine? Sure, but I can play Strider!
...AdvanceMAME would support medium resolution monitors as easily as standard resoution so I can use it in my broken BOTSS cockpit (I think BOTSS machines all came from the factory already broken). That's too sweet a monitor to leave sitting there and I haven't made much progress on my Blitz 2000 cab lately.
right?
I'm gonna get buried in a coffin shaped like an arcade game cabinet!